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Hollywood Nervous About Kagan's Fair Use Views

Of the many commentaries and analyses springing up about Obama's Supreme Court nominee, this community might be most interested in one from the Hollywood Reporter. Reader Hugh Pickens notes that Hollywood may have reason to be nervous about the nomination of Elena Kagan to be the next US Supreme Court justice. "As dean of Harvard Law School from 2003 to 2009, Kagan was instrumental in beefing up the school's Berkman Center for Internet & Society by recruiting Lawrence Lessig and others who take a strongly liberal position on fair use in copyright disputes. And Kagan got an opportunity to showcase her feelings on intellectual property when the US Supreme Court asked her, as US Solicitor General, to weigh in on the big Cablevision case. 'After Cablevision announced in 2006 that it would allow subscribers to store TV programs on the cable operator's computer servers instead of on a hard-top box, Hollywood studios went nuts, predicting that the days of licensing on-demand content would be over,' writes Gardner. Kagan's brief compared remote-storage DVRs to VCRs (PDF), brought up the Sony/Betamax case, and lightly slapped Cablevision on the wrist for not making fair use a bigger issue. 'It sounds to us like Kagan would love the Court to determine when customers have a fair-use right to copy, which should cheer those on the copy-left at the EFF, and worry many in the entertainment industry.' On the minus side, Kagan has surrounded herself with entertainment industry advocates in the Justice Department."

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  1. Good by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope they're nervous. They need a little "fear" to keep them honest (or at least as honest as they can be considering they are the some of the greediest bastards on earth).

    Looks like both Dem's & Rep's aren't exactly thrilled with everything Elena Kagan stands for. It always sounds like a good choice when neither side is happy with the possibilities.

    1. Re:Good by cyber0ne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It always sounds like a good choice when neither side is happy with the possibilities.

      That's a refreshing bit for me right there. I'll admit that I don't follow politics much and don't really know anything about this person. But if neither dominant party thinks she's toeing the line enough then that's _exactly_ the kind of person I want on the Supreme Court.

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    2. Re:Good by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

      But if neither dominant party thinks she's toeing the line enough then that's _exactly_ the kind of person I want on the Supreme Court.

      Your logic is broken. I presume neither party would like bin Laden, but I don't think that would make him a good nomination. Have you heard why people don't like her? Here's some of her thoughts on the first amendment:

      Kagan argued in the government’s brief that speech was entitled to no First Amendment protection if its harms outweigh its benefits: “Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs.” Kagan did not argue the case before the Court.

      Someone who feels that freedom of speech is overrated - spare me the "fire! in a theater" exceptions we already know about - is not someone who I want deciding freedom of speech cases.

      She also argued that prosecutors who deliberately manufacture evidence to convict (by definition) innocent people should not be civilly liable for their actions. I don't have great hopes that she'd side with individuals when it most matters.

      It seems like there's something for everyone to dislike about Kagan, unless you're already a person in power and seeking to extend your powers. Then she'd be the woman for the job.

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    3. Re:Good by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Granted, I could have elaborated more. But I assumed any reader would know what I meant.

      I know what you meant, but still disagree with your conclusion.

      And how much of that was actually her? Or how much of it was her job as Solicitor General?

      I don't think that's a good excuse because it removes all personal responsibility. Compare with "Bush didn't really think we should invade Iraq, but he only did so because it was his job." Or more recently, "Obama really wanted to close Gitmo, but he kept it open because it was his job." I don't think either of those statements are more outlandish than the executive's top lawyer arguing that speech is too free.

      There's a time and a place to go along with work duties you disagree with, but there's also a time to stand up and say "this is wrong and I can't do this in good conscience." In my opinion, lobbying the Supreme Court for a position you disagree with is poor form if you eventually want people to trust that you don't agree with that position. It's bad morally, and it's bad politically.

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  2. Bad on software patents by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Her name is on the Bilski brief submitted by the Obama administration:

    No extant field of technology or industry--including software and diagnostic methods, the two fields addressed by numerous amici--is wholly excluded from patent protection under that approach;

    1. Re:Bad on software patents by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If she is nominated, Kagan will have to be recused from all the cases that she handled as Solicitor General of the United States. That could be a few dozen cases. The reason is that as Solicitor General, she does not have the power to come up with her own viewpoints; she represents the President's interests. This isn't an indication of what she thinks, but she's just the person in charge of arguing the President's position.

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    2. Re:Bad on software patents by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Her name is on the Bilski brief submitted by the Obama administration:

      Of course it is. She's the Solicitor General.

      But there's a big difference between when your job is to be the lawyer for the United States (in regard to SCOTUS at least) and when you are actually sitting on that highest court. We've seen lots of conservative people move Left once they get to the Supreme Court. I don't remember anyone who has ever moved to the Right.

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    3. Re:Bad on software patents by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't remember anyone who has ever moved to the Right.

      That's because Democrat Presidents tend to nominate moderates (with an occasional joke Marxist stalking horse so that they can then put forward a "compromise"), while Republican Presidents offer the Senate a choice between Ghengis Scalia or Attila the Thomas.

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    4. Re:Bad on software patents by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      hat's because Democrat Presidents tend to nominate moderates

      Except that the justices who have moved most to the Left have been the ones appointed by Republicans.

      John Paul Stevens is an example of that. He was appointed by Gerald Ford and sold as a conservative. He is arguably the furthest Left of any Justice currently sitting on the Court.

      But maybe you have a point. Recent Republican presidents have appointed justices so far to the Right that there's really no place for them to go but Left.

      Robert Bork would almost certainly be considered not conservative enough by today's Republicans because he took the 2nd Amendment literally and believed it only applied to "well-regulated militias" and did not give everybody the right to pack heat.

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  3. technology trumps law by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    technology changes law. technology does not fit into the confines as defined by law, law adjusts and accommodates to new technology

    and when law pits itself against technology, law always loses. technological progress has destroyed and swept aside so many legal, social, and political structures in this world

    why does anyone believe hollywood stands a chance? the internet has permanently changed media distribution, in favor of the consumer. all that media companies can do is adapt, or die. of course, in the adaptation period, plenty of absurd attempts at preserving the legal status quos of past dead technological eras will be attempted, but this is just denial

    in the end, we, the consumer, win. because technology empowers us to route around the old status quo. and if the law is pitted against the technology, then it also empowers us above the law (in this one narrow issue)

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  4. Re:It's a bit early to say this is a good choice . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully she can withstand the payola and push some of that power down the toilet.

    I'm failing to see where she would be influenced by 'payola'. It's true that politics play a role in getting onto the Supreme Court. Once on the Supreme Court the only way she can lose her job is if the House of Representatives impeaches her, the Senate tries her, and she is convicted by a super-majority vote. Her salary can never go down. She will not have to face election. She will be guaranteed employment for life.

    The only way she could accept payola is if she took an outright bribe. That's not unheard of as Clarance Thomas accepted a $1 million advance on his biography one week before issuing his ruling in Eldred v Ashcroft. Nevertheless, accepting a bribe is one of very few things that could ruin a Supreme Court justice's career.

  5. let's work that through by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kagan: Hey, Barack. This software patent's issue is a real head scratcher. I can't find your stance on it. Can you remind me of it?

    Obama: Elena, Elena, I'm busy. To be a patentable process, innovations should involve significant extra-solution activity i.e. activity central to the purpose of the claimed method. And don't forget that no patent can wholly pre-empt the use of a fundamental principle - and I don't just mean that a field-of-use restriction will suffice, I want to be sure that the algorithm can still be used for other purposes even in that same field.

    Kagan: Thanks, I'll go fluff that out and add references. (done) Sorry to have bothered you, I simply don't have the power to come up with my own viewpoints, so I wanted to clarfy what yours are.

    (...or just maybe it's not a purely clerical role and there's a bit of Kagan in the document she wrote and got approved by the president.)

  6. Good for Nerds, I think. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Informative

    A great HuffPo Piece by none other than Lawrence Lessig, Mr. Creative Commons himself.

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  7. Re:And I'M nervous about Kagan's fair-use views... by Eharley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Elena Kagan doesn't run the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric Holder does.

  8. liberal? by jipn4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see what's "liberal" about fair use.

    I think people should stop trying to shoe-horn every single issue into a liberal/conservative spectrum.

    1. Re:liberal? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps you have not been paying attention: in America, "conservative" means "always do whatever corporations want," and "liberal" means "sometimes do whatever corporations want."

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  9. Could it be? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hollywood may have reason to be nervous about the nomination of Elena Kagan to be the next US Supreme Court justice.

    You refer to the prophecy of The One who will bring balance to the Copyright. You believe it's this girl?

  10. you're not thinking about the problem correctly by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    think about the changes the gun wreaked on the feudal system

    think about the changes the printing press wreaked on traditional religious/ monarchical power structures

    think about the changes the nuclear bomb wreaked on warfare and international relations

    now think about the internet and its effects on copyright law

    the technology came, and changed everything. time and time again

    i'm not talking about civilian restrictions on dynamite or radar guns, these are tiny dots. i'm talking about the larger technological themes: the introduction of electronics, the introduction of sailing ships, the introduction of the cotton gin, etc. surely you can see how technology alter society and the law in ways no one can foresee or even understand when the technology is introduced. its not like the guys fiddling with the arpanet in the 1960s said "hey, lets destroy the recorded music industry", but that's what their invention is doing

    surely you can see technological change trumps existing law, and law must alter itself and adapt

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  11. Re:there will always be a legitimate war on drugs by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "that is, the most addictive+inebriating: cocaine, heroin, meth, etc (marijuana should be legal)"

    What about alcohol? Withdrawal effects from alcohol are worse than from opiates -- in fact, they can be deadly without medical supervision. We sell tobacco to teenagers, yet tobacco dependency is more easily formed and more difficult to break than cocaine dependence.

    "its not a war, its a maintenance function of civilization, like taking out the trash every thursday"

    Well, let's see. Cocaine was first made illegal because people thought that when black men used cocaine, they would become unstoppable even with a gun. Yes, that sounds like a maintenance function of civilization to me...except for the racism part. Opiates, like heroin? Made illegal because of a belief that Asian immigrants would bring their habits with them to the USA -- even though heroin could be legally purchased over the counter, as marketed by Bayer. Yup, more maintenance, if we ignore the whole racism thing.

    Unlike you, I actually know the history of the war on drugs, and it is not pretty. It is one racist act of congress after another, mixed with corporate lobbying, and recently we can add a profit motive for police departments. We are not talking about drug regulation here, nor are we talking about efforts to keep people healthy -- this is an effort to imprison people on a mass scale, particularly immigrants and black people. People are serving longer prison sentences for non-violent, drug related crimes than would be typical for a murder case.

    The goal is not to "win," at least not as President Reagan defined victory (a "drug-free generation"). The goal is to increase the profits of pharmaceutical, alcohol, tobacco, prison, and firearms companies, and to keep an ever expanding police force employed. Racism is a convenient means to this end: you can arrest scores of black people for drug offenses (in some localities, one third of the black men are incarcerated), and nobody in the middle or upper classes will oppose it, especially not after seeing one image of a dangerous black man after another.

    Regulation and health are things I am all for. You can regulate drugs without throwing millions of people in jail or creating police forces that are as heavily armed as the military. You can protect the general health of the population without propaganda and racism. The war on drugs is not helping our society, and I hope you understand that.

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  12. Re:Can we mark TFA as troll? by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Informative

    SCOTUSBlog posted a nice, hysteria-free overview of Kagan's career a few days ago. It's well worth a read, and the authors seem to know a thing or two about the courts (unlike most reporters and pundits who have been covering the story).

    If you read up on her career, you'll see that she has a great deal of respect for existing precedent, and doesn't seem to have allowed her own personal opinions to interfere with her past jobs.

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  13. If they're worried about Kagan... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  14. Summary totally misguided; read Glenn Greenwald by chainLynx · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) Recruiting people does not mean you share their ideological views. Indeed, one of the selling points of Kagan (according to her supporters) is that in spite of her supposed liberal views she was able to recruit people from across the ideological spectrum, including conservatives, to Harvard Law School.

    2) As the Solicitor General, you are a lawyer for the government. You argue their cases. We should not confuse positions she took as the Solicitor General with her own personal opinions on the cases.

    If anyone wants the real story on Kagan (she's woefully unprepared for the Supreme Court) please read what Glenn Greenwald has recently been writing about her http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/13/kagan and a debate yesterday http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/10/progressives_divided_over_obamas_nomination_of