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Europeans Bury "Digital DNA" Inside a Mountain

adeelarshad82 writes "In a secret bunker deep in the Swiss Alps, European researchers deposited a 'digital genome' that will provide the blueprint for future generations to read data stored using defunct technology. The sealed box containing the key to unpick defunct digital formats will be locked away for the next quarter of a century behind a 3-1/2 ton door strong enough to resist nuclear attack at the data storage facility, known as the Swiss Fort Knox. The capsule is the culmination of the four-year 'Planets' project, which draws on the expertise of 16 European libraries, archives, and research institutions, to preserve the world's digital assets as hardware and software is superseded at a blistering pace. The project hopes to preserve 'data DNA,' the information and tools required to access and read historical digital material and prevent digital memory loss into the next century."

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  1. Fuck you PC World. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would it have killed you to include the slightest mention of what "the key to unpick defunct digital formats" is in an article discussing how the Europeans have stashed one away?

    1. Re:Fuck you PC World. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The key is a COBOL program written on punchcard.

    2. Re:Fuck you PC World. by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the Elvish word for 'friend'

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    3. Re:Fuck you PC World. by J.J.+Dane · · Score: 5, Informative
    4. Re:Fuck you PC World. by h00manist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would it have killed you to include the slightest mention of what "the key to unpick defunct digital formats" is in an article discussing how the Europeans have stashed one away?

      Can't be mentioned, it's a stash of software, much of it copyrighted, abandonware with no clear owners, old versions of software with no proper redistribution licence, etc. Emulators for old platforms, with copyright and patent issues. And a bunch of old equipment, with as much specifications and manuals as possible. So in order to provide information to future generations, this generation's laws had to be somewhat ignored.

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  2. Frankly... by raving+griff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we are taking such precautions to insure that this data key will not be destroyed, would not in the worst case scenario virtually every piece of data that ISN'T buried under a mountain be gone too?

    1. Re:Frankly... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect that the logic(aside from the fact that it simply isn't economic to store everything in blast vaults), is that today's cheap, common, ubiquitous digital formats are widespread enough to more or less protect themselves through sheer numbers(can you imagine how much of the earth's surface you'd have to nuke to get rid of all the XP install CDs?); but that the incentives and technology required for them to be readable and useful in a few decades, or after a modest nuclear exchange or something, are actually quite rare. Thus, you put the work and money into building the reading/decoding tech, and just bury that.

    2. Re:Frankly... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Funny

      From orbit, no less.

    3. Re:Frankly... by gdshaw · · Score: 4, Funny

      can you imagine how much of the earth's surface you'd have to nuke to get rid of all the XP install CDs?

      A noble objective to be sure, but I for one believe that GNU/Linux can and should achieve world domination peacefully.

    4. Re:Frankly... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its the only way to be sure.

  3. Hmm. by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The sealed box containing the key to unpick defunct digital formats will be locked away for the next quarter of a century behind a 3-1/2 ton door"..."the information and tools required to access and read historical digital material and prevent digital memory loss into the next century."

    Perhaps they should include the calculations they used to equate 25 years with 90 years.

  4. Nothing new by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been done before, in various guises. The BBC Domesday project springs to mind, and numerous digital timecapsules.

    It seems to me that such projects have a lot in common with SETI searches - somehow providing information to someone who may not have the capability to decode it until they understand the entire message anyway. It always gets me that in such projects they don't do simple things before they lock stuff away, or send a message, like: give a bunch of (non-computing) students the devices / data and don't tell them what it is, how it works. Make sure they've never heard of the project you're working on, then lock them in a room with the data / devices and see what they do. If they can't decode it completely, your project is too elaborate and will not meet its aims. If they only decode it because of their knowledge of the area, then get someone else. Until an average mathematician / physicist / whatever can decode it, it's too complicated to be decoded by a post-nuclear generation and / or ET considering their inherent communication problems in some circumstances anyway.

    I have a good feeling that the Voyager golden records would never be completely decoded in such circumstances.

  5. Hope they don't lose the key to the door by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's all very well having nuke-proof bunkers and thick steel doors. But at some point someone's gotta get in there (presuming they think out digital formats are worth decoding - they could be in for a bit of a disappointment) to get the keys. If the future society gets into such a state where it's lost all the external copies of these keys it's probably not going to be too good at looking after physical means of access.

    I can just imaging after the next war / asteroid / depression / pandemic all these people standing outside this massive steel door, wondering what the hell was inside it?

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  6. Re:Can't escape moore's law... in 8yrs by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Humans didn't do it 10000 years ago and we still figured out what happened back then.

    Don't forget the cave paintings, scrolls, clay tablets and the like. (:

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  7. Re:What if... by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or what if they do find it and can't figure out how to use the key? Even a written language can become undecipherable after enough time passes. Now they think they can ensure digital access to an unknown future generation with technology we can't imagine? At the very least that requires electricity analogous to what we have now, and - now I'm talking hundreds of years - just the idea of encoding data in 1's and 0's. By then we'll just be imprinting information in viscous goop and reading it by dipping our finger in the goop and tasting it. Try that with any current storage media.

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  8. Loooong term storage by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been thinking about long term storage solutions for a while, and if we're looking at solutions that would survive floods, EMPs etc., pretty much all methods we have available today are done for. Also they require access to readers that may be ruined for whatever reasons.

    Essentially I keep coming back to punch-cards or similar. Not into paper, but into something like anodized titanium. The colour spectrum available there could allow something like 4 or 8 bit encoding per dot. Not entirely sure about how small you can make the dots, nor how close together you can put them if you want more than just two colours.

    It'd be somewhat human readable, in that you just need a microscope to view the dots, and then it's just the usual translation method of course. And you could store a simple "dictionary" of cards with large dots + words/characters to make it easy to translate (a Rosetta Stone). And since it's titanium it's unlikely to be affected by the usual disasters. It doesn't melt until 1,668 C, so it's probably going to be quite stable in most types of fires, it pretty resistant to acids, the anodizing should go through the metal, so even sandblasting it won't remove the information (unless you cut through it of course).

    Depending on the size of the dots, I think you could even make a simple credit card sized object, that you could show to a web cam to use as a private key for private/public key encryption, logging on to your workstation, getting in to a secure facility and so on.

    And if done properly, you could probably disguise the key if necessary. You can already get custom backs/covers for your iPod/iPhone. Why not get one with this kind of back on it? Hide the key via something like steganography, making every n pixel a part of the key.

    1. Re:Loooong term storage by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not paper?

      Documents on papyrus and parchment will last 2000+ years if properly stored.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea_scrolls

  9. Rosetta Disk, Language Archive by grendelb · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Long Now Foundation is thinking about and working on projects like The Rosetta Disk, which crams a bunch of languages onto a 4 inch metal disk. "This is an archive of over 1,500 human languages assembled in the year 02008 C.E. Magnify 1,000 times to find over 13,000 pages of language documentation. The text begins at eye-readable scale and spirals down to nano-scale. This tapered ring of languages is intended to maximize the number of people that will be able to read something immediately upon picking up the Disk, as well as implying the directions for using it—‘get a magnifier and there is more.’" That's just part of their "10,000 year library."

  10. Waste of money by guspasho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The summary says they are trying to preserve data into the next century. It seems to me if you want to ensure the availability of information into the next century, the least efficient thing you could do is lock it in a highly-protected vault deep under a mountain that nobody can get to. Instead you ought to be distributing the information far and wide in as many formats as possible. Post it on Wikipedia and various other sites that are likely to be preserved and distributed themselves. Print lots of physical copies and put them in all the libraries around the world. Otherwise you're just hoarding it.