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Google Wave Now Open To All
tonyfugere writes "After a year of testing by invitation only, Google Wave has been opened to the public. From what I have seen, it looks like it could be beneficial for documenting brainstorming sessions beyond simple instant messaging protocols."
(Google Wave is "also great for entertaining the masses," says tonyfugere, who links to the slightly NSFW demonstration below.)
http://wave.google.com/
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Wow, I have not heard about Wave in a while...I thought it had been lost in the bin of Forgotten Google Projects (FGPs).
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IMHO, the best niche that Wave can fill is by replacing message boards. By merging the IRC/Email/newsgroup/BBS concept it makes it perfect for following threads of conversations, starting new discussions, replying privately to one or two individuals, embedding images and/or videos.
I would gladly donate my left kidney if all my favorite forums/groups switched over to Wave.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
Seriously, though, I consider myself a reasonably bright software programmer, and I'm still unsure exactly what it is I'm supposed to be using Goole Wave for. Maybe I just don't communicate with enough people via electronic means...
I remember when Wave was first being mentioned as a replacement for SharePoint Server (MOSS). Not sure if it's still thought of that way. From what I've seen in Wave, I doubt it could do the same job....
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...and still just as useless. Well, ok -- non-realtime collaborative efforts, perhaps. Brainstormings. Things like that.
But after it takes you 3 years to get everyone on Google, set up, working right (damned ad-block), etc. and THEN you can start working together -- oh, but wait, half the people don't know how to use Wave, so you have to teach them how to use it -- yes, dammit, it's more than just IM, it's all sorts of...oh, read the docs, won't you? -- THEN you can finally get down to working on the pro....
What? You have to go? Oh, I guess we DID spend the entire 2-hour meeting setting this crap up. Fine, reschedule for another day. AND ON A PHONE THIS TIME.
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I don't understand. If you don't already have a Google account, then you wouldn't have to opt out. If you do already have a Google account, then you patently don't actually have a problem with their privacy policy, right?
I just opted out as soon as possible, given Google's stance on privacy issues.
I opted in as soon as possible, given Google's stance on privacy issues.
(My comment is as meaningless as yours if you're not going to elaborate at least a little.)
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...Because there are really a lot of other providers offering this?
Being privacy conscious is a good thing, however there comes a time where you have to see the risk to benefit ratio at the moment leans heavily towards using Google's services.
If you want to be completely anonymous, don't use any services by any web provider and encrypt all traffic and use Tor and all that fun stuff, but you won't really experience the web and it won't make you productive.
If there are other super-private services that do all the things Google does, switch to them. Considering that there aren't, Google is your best bet.
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Um, how is /. NSFW? There was a video clearly demonstrating Pulp Fiction done with Google Wave which was clearly labeled as NSWF. Unless you click on the play button, everything is perfectly safe for work. Just don't click links where you don't want to go (stay away from any link with goat in its name...) and /. is perfectly work safe.
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I'm confused - Google Wave is something you have to specifically sign up for, not opt in to. And up until today you've had to ask someone for an invitation to join.
Or are you confusing it with Google Buzz?
"This post contains words, known to the State of California to cause thought. Wash brain thoroughly after reading."
....till I can send an email right from the wave interface. Why is this still impossible? Google, wake up!
Open source doesn't mean anything when the codec can still be patented and then we get into patent messes.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
I have been using Google Wave for months now. It works well once you figure out how to use it and for what you can use it effectively. I have been using it to collaborate with fellow musicians. In real-time, we hammer out lyrics, instruments parts, ideas, etc. Record something, most the MP3, share the bits that way, and the guy that is the best with the mixing software does the final mixes, shares the results. It has been fast and effective.
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I'd tell you to be careful opting out of Google, but you're probably in a place where you can't read this reply anyhow.
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
Someone explain to my why whomever it was felt it was okay to transcribe half the curse words in the English language, but had to leave out "God Damn"?
Fuck him like a bitch is okay.
Mutherfuckaaa is okay.
All the rest is okay, but "God Damn" is censored?
Pussies.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
The funny thing is, I use gmail for my email, but I download it from their POP server.
And I almost never, ever, log into Google using my browser, and generally log out as soon after as possible.
So they might be reading my email, but when you use POP it doesn't add any advertising to email message you download. And they can't spam my browser view with anything connected to my email.
This wave demo uses kinetic typography to make it (more) interesting. Google wave is interesting, but this cake was delivered with frosting I didn't ask for.
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No, this [webmproject.org] is the link you're looking for.
Okay, I think that MrHanky might actually be spot-on this time (and not those kinds of spots...he leaves those all the time).
I mean, have you heard of the WebM project before? From the WebM FAQ:
Are VP8 or WebM subject to change?
The VP8 and WebM specifications as released on May 19th, 2010 are final.
Correct me if I'm missing something, but this looks like breaking news as of today...
And most critically:
WebM and VP8 are open-source. How do I get the source and contribute code?
The code, specifications and development guidelines are available on our Code page.
See that? VP8 [is] open-source. How could they possibly say that unless.... Google just released VP8?
Nicely done, Google, nicely done!
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I am not so sure I would want google to see/store any brainstorming my company is doing. I know they are not evil, and have great privacy policies... wait... what?
You can turn off the advertising on the web interface as well, just go into your settings and turn it off.
Its optional, and on by default, its also so unintrusive that I actually turned it back on just because occasionally I'll see something I actually care to learn about and I'd rather they get some occasional cash for letting me use their services for free.
You do realize that if you never give them any incentive to give you the free service they will eventually stop giving it to you ... right?
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Are you confusing Buzz and Wave? They are two different things.
Yes they are. As a public service, please list the differences here?
But that avoids the question asked about the privacy policy. In your case, your issue is with advertising, yet you admit to having no issue with them reading your private e-mail.
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Well, for one, Buzz was the one they shoved down your throat and you had to opt out of, and was a bit of a privacy debacle.
Wave was the one that you not only had to go looking for, but you had to request an invite which took weeks to arrive (or you had to know someone who had a free invite they could give you).
So "opting out" of Wave is technically not possible. You have to go looking for it.
Buzz was largely considered "Wave Lite" by many of us who used Wave before Buzz came out. It's a bit more social network and a bit less collaboration, though there is significant overlap in the functions of the two.
"This post contains words, known to the State of California to cause thought. Wash brain thoroughly after reading."
So it's basically like MySpace then?
It's a 'real-time' collaboration tool / toolkit. You could build forum software that leverages Wave functionality, however.
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Um, how is /. NSFW?
Because when I am on /. I am supposed to be working, but I am on /. instead.
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Holy shit, it's like they were able to see inside my mind for 5 minutes!
I don't know if I should feel scared, in awe, or just regard Wave as another amusing internet sprocket. I can't say I've contributed anything to this discussion other than "Hey that's really COOL!"
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It is now listed on my non-premier account as a service I can add.
It really wasn't there an hour ago, thats the first thing I went to do.
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"they" aren't reading it, a program/system is analyzing the content.
I mean, Google has a policy that humans don't casually access the content, do you trust Google+that policy more or less than some mom-and-pop ISP?
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"they" aren't reading it, a program/system is analyzing the content.
I know that, I'm just refering to what the GP said.
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As has been said before, Gwave hopes to replace email, forums, IRC and other types of communications systems.
I've just now, tried Wave for the first time, and it seems very interesting. I'd love this (or at least something) to be *the* standard for emails and forums etc.
In terms of features, I kind of wish there was an in-place search filter that filters in real-time only the messages in that wave that contain a certain word/phrase. Also, if it's not going to have skins, then can it at least let me change the colour scheme?
The above points are mute in a way though, since as Wave is a protocol, expect to see some great custom GUIs in the future (maybe some are already available).
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Start your own wave server. That is the thing, it is not a Google only thing.
How did you expect to pay for a free service? I really dislike it when people don't want to pay and done want adverts either. It's one or the other otherwise they can't support themselves as money does not grow on trees.
I like what they're doing with rich text editing, and I like the "playback" feature. For collaboration, I think it has two main flaws:
1. It's hard to catch up after you haven't seen a wave for a while. Harder than email for sure.
2. It's too "realtime". I don't want people to start replying to me before I finish my message.
that video ... what?
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Compared to FaceBook, Google looks like a saint.
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...who watched that video and now has even less idea what the point is?
How is it a fallacy? I really don't give a crap who knows what I'm doing online, because 1) I don't do anything illegal, and 2) I don't have any moral issues with porn.
And Mark Zuckerberg is an asshole who certainly hasn't done anything to help the "dumb fucks" he refers to. He makes a living off of them in fact. He can collect all the info he wants on me, but it's pretty pointless as I either block or ignore ads on principal.
which is totally what she said
The link you actually care about
http://wave.google.com/
Haha yeah, that's the link you care about if your some kinda AOL newbie saving up to help that Nigerian prince. Nice try BitZtream, but I seriously doubt anyone on Slashdot fell for it! =)
Anyway, here's the real link guys, for geeks that care about their dignity:
https://wave.google.com/wave/
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Clearly they did exactly what Twitter did (who just stripped down myspace), now if they can only keep message like "Do you love me? Vote at www.ImAVagina.com" off of it.
You're not as important as you think you are.
Neither are you, but they read all unencrypted email. Data-mining is just that cheap.
I really dislike how someone starts an ostensibly free service and then funds it with guilt, making their business choices your problem.
I don't know Google's thoughts but I doubt they're losing anything - just not making as much from this guy. I'd imagine simply keeping you from using an MS or Apple product has value, as does increasing their brand by more people using their domain for email. And then there's the advertising factor - if you did have to buy a pay service after ten years, who're you going to do it with, the people who've never nagged you or some random company you heard about via spam?
I don't do anything illegal nor do I have any moral issues with porn, but I still value my privacy.
Without privacy, there can be no anonymity. Without anonymity, there can be no freedom.
Now, I realize we're only talking about web history, bu the rule shouldn't be "Why shouldn't I be watched if I do nothing wrong", it should be "If I do nothing wrong, why should I be watched?".
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Is it just me, or is Wave just a fancy wiki?
Wave is also a Federated Protocol, so anyone can host their own server* that talk to each other when needed, but keep "in-server" waves private.
* when there are other implementations available or Google releases its own as OSS.
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Click the avatar placeholder, "edit profile", a wave with your profile opens, click the new "edit profile", click "change picture".
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And yay, googles great software places strangers on my contact list (and NO they are not in the other contact list (you know the one where they automatically add everybody you just think about)) should have stayed in beta.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
...but they read all unencrypted email. Data-mining is just that cheap.
For some (very small) versions of read. There isn't some guy sitting in Google Headquarters whose job is to personally read all of your email. No one at Google has probably ever ACTUALLY read a single email of yours. There is though a mindless computer crunching through all the words in your email forming associations. I'm not going to worry about this until computers are sentient, and even at that point I won't worry too much because I perfectly realize that 99% (I'm being generous) of my email is banal to the point of tears.
Sure, if your using your email for internal, important and confidential, corporate email, or for super-serious military hanky-panky, or something seriously dubious (like terrorism dubious. not "d00d teh p1rate b4y r0x!"), then eschew gMail, and all other mail services like it (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc..). Otherwise, there is no real security problem.
No, I don't really trust Google, I trust them more than most corporation, but that doesn't amount to much. I just don't really care if some mindless robot sniffs me talking to my girlfriend about where to eat this weekend, or if a program gets wind of my uber-secret nefarious lol-cat trading ring.
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1. provide a wave interface for their google groups
2. make it as a glue technology, and provide a way to link all social networks, blogs, etc.
3. bring it inside gmail (like buzz), of course allow us to turn it off
and then what,
profit.
Wrong and illegal are different things for a start. If you do have something worthy of hiding, then fine - hide it. But most people really don't. Their lives are as boring as soup.
which is totally what she said
btw by things "worthy of hiding" I mean dissent in a totalitarian regime and such.
"If I do nothing wrong, why should I be watched" is like saying we'd be better off without Police patrols or CCTV. I'd much rather have some deterrent for criminals. It is wrong to invade people's private space yes, but when you are online you are not in a private space any more than you are when you're walking down the street or being filmed by security inside a store.
*insert stupid quote by some American ex-president about liberty and security and sacrifices and deserving neither here*
Life is always about finding a balance. Not letting things get too far towards 100% "liberty" (which would simply be Anarchy), and not letting things get too far towards a Police state. Obviously some people do do things that are wrong, and there is no guarantee of knowing who these people are beforehand. It is good to have logs/monitoring in place so that when people do break the law, they can be held accountable.
which is totally what she said
I also dislike CCTVs (in public property, not private, those are fine). Police patrols are OK because they don't follow you. They wouldn't be OK if they was a patrol in every street corner.
Even if you are walking down the street, stalking is illegal. Of course, people can see you passing by, but following you and watching your every movement is not OK.
Store cameras are different, you're only under surveillance while under their property, and sane personal data protection laws will prevent them from sharing that footage.
ISPs are mere carriers (even though they don't have that legal status) and shouldn't look at your traffic more than the Post office people should open your mail.
Exceptions should be made in specific cases by court order.
I agree, but in my opinion, privacy should be the rule, with some exceptions, not the other way around.
Site logs are OK, as long as they're not distributed to other people. ISP logs should only be put in place if the police and judge suspects an individual is breaking the law.
Instead of a quote from an ex-president, I give you one from Whitfield Diffie, someone we geeks should value :)
"If you say to people that they, as a matter of fact, can't protect their conversations, in particular their political conversations, I think you take a long step toward making a transition from a free society to a totalitarian society."
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Store cameras are different, you're only under surveillance while under their property, and sane personal data protection laws will prevent them from sharing that footage.
The Police request CCTV footage from us all the time and I'm told to hand it over to them, even though we're a private company. When you're in public, you're likely traceable.
Likewise you don't have to be watched all the time online for people to be able to trace your movements, they can request info from your ISP if there is a valid reason to. I find it weird that ISPs wouldn't keep logs on what is going through their systems as a matter of course (even if they only keep the data for a few days or something). Just because nobody is watching you all the time doesn't mean you can't be traced later.
I didn't say that people "can't" protect their conversations, I said they should stop acting like other people shouldn't be allowed to record them if they're in a public space. If they want to protect their information transfer there are plenty of secure options available. I don't think any of these things should be banned (as they are very important for general security as well as privacy), but I also think that someone who wants every single thing they do to be encrypted or hidden away no matter how trivial it is, is quite simply a paranoid moron.
which is totally what she said
Although the "by invite only" strategy worked for gmail, I think this is what has ultimately killed (or at least maimed) Wave. Too many people tried it out, were pretty excited, but then realized they couldn't talk to anyone they knew, and getting an invite to the people they knew was only by the unpredictable grace of Google. This time the invite-only strategy was a buzzkill. This is probably a case of Catch 22 though because if they had launched it with open access to all it probably would have been slashdotted.
At this point, opening it up to everyone is probably a sign that most people have given up on it and Google recognizes that it won't cause much of a murmur on the servers since few will sign-up. One of the real sticking points for me is that you cannot permanently delete a wave. Sure it goes in the trash, but there is no way to empty the trash. Google should at least give us the illusion of privacy by at least making it appear like we can delete content tied to us!
I'm really looking forward to using this for tabletop gaming. I'd like to see someone come up with an extension for drawing maps quickly, because everything else you need, is there. You can slip notes to the players, have everyone working on separate things at once, roll dice (with modifiers), and all from your browser. The interface is almost limitless in what it can do for a DM/GM. I would agree that the practicality is lacking in the business world, but this thing is going to be a major hit for tabletop gaming.
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Otherwise, there is no real security problem.
Facts are facts, the security problem is up to you.
No one at Google has probably ever ACTUALLY read a single email of yours. There is though a mindless computer crunching through all the words in your email forming associations.
Um yeah, thanks. Got that... Had you thought that I thought they used pigeons? Or gnomes under NDAs? Sentient computers?
I just don't really care if some mindless robot sniffs me talking to my girlfriend about where to eat this weekend, or if a program gets wind of my uber-secret nefarious lol-cat trading ring.
Didn't ask, thanks. Don't need to be told that you have nothing to hide.