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German High Court Declares All Software Patentable

FlorianMueller writes "Long gone are the times when Europe was that bastion of resistance against software patents and patents on such things as file systems were ruled invalid. In a decision published today, the Federal Court of Justice of Germany upheld a patent on the automatic generation of structured documents (such as XML/HTML) in a client-server setting. The ruling lays out general principles that go beyond the patent at stake: they tear down all barriers to software patentability in the largest EU member state, even though a European patent treaty has been adopted that was intended to exclude software from the scope of patentable subject matter. EU patent examiners recently warned against a drift toward software patents. Software patent critics in Europe fear this will spark more litigation on their continent and increasingly call for defensive measures."

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  1. Noooooooo ! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There goes the possibility for small innovative company to develop in a safe legal framework. Let me phrase my sentiment, on behalf of all my European colleagues, and in the immortal words of Spider Jerusalem : FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

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    1. Re:Noooooooo ! by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Small inventors who want to work on stuff they can't bring to market by themselves do benefit, because without patents it's very hard for them to get money together in secrecy to get a lead on the market. That said, the damage it does to small (software) engineering companies by making any little project they do trip over a dozen of patents means it still is not worth it.

      As for big companies, they might benefit from being able to throw up barriers to entry ... but slowly but surely it's becoming apparent that "it protects the big guys" was just a way the lawyers used to sell it to the big companies. Being able to throw up patent walls doesn't protect you from being bled dry by patent trolls.

      In the end there is only one group who benefits from patents and suffers no negative results ... lawyers.

  2. Re:Is it possible by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just you wait...

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  3. Time for another web protest by denis-The-menace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time for a bunch of web sites to close up shop for a day to remind how this will affect things on the web.

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  4. Re:Does it make a difference by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So that means if I sell software, without any hardware with it, then I'm not infringing on _any_ software patents, right?

    The users might be, if they run said software on "a hardware appliance, comprising of a CPU, blahblah", but not the developer.

    But then, why do pure software developers get sued, huh?

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  5. there once was a time by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when intellectual property law was meant to protect the solitary inventor from the predatory conglomerate. now the predatory conglomerate just preemptively carpet bombs their intellectual property territory and backs it up with a legion of lawyers. the solitary inventor doesn't stand a chance

    intellectual property law is defunct. it is philosophically bankrupt and must be replaced wholesale, ignored, or at least radically revamped. this applies to trademark, copyright, and patents: the whole lot of it is rotten to the core and betrays any noble principles it was ever meant to uphold

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    1. Re:there once was a time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Simply ignore patents. And if a lawyer appears trying to force you to accept them, kill the lawyer.

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  6. Boycott Germany by H0p313ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Start including a disclaimer in all license agreements, something to the effect of "This software may be in violation of German patent law and is therefore not available for use in that country"

    Refuse to sell or license any software to anyone in that country who is not willing to sign a disclosure stating that they are fully aware of the implications of German patent law and are responsible for any violations that may occur.

    Provide information for how to contact any German political organization that opposes software patents

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    1. Re:Boycott Germany by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget the USA and South Korea in that disclaimer. Something like the GPL, which has a clause preventing you from distributing the software if it is in violation of patents, already contains such a disclaimer. Given that any jurisdiction which allows software patents quickly tends towards a situation where any nontrivial piece of software is infringing several patents, it's now likely not to be legal to copy GPL'd software in Germany, either now or soon. Someone should probably mention this to Munich...

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    2. Re:Boycott Germany by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's always been my opinion that projects like xvid and x264 should have a "may not be distributed in the United States" (and now also Germany) in the license. For something like Linux and GCC you might have a case when you say "well there are patents, but they aren't being litigated so who knows if they are valid" but for MPEG some of the patents are known to be litigated and known to have been declared valid in court.

      Any copying being done for American (and now German) recipients for these projects is not authorized by virtue of the GPL ... if you can not can not provide the rights which come with the GPL then the GPL does not grant you the right to distribute. The project owners are really subverting the GPL by pretending that's not true.

    3. Re:Boycott Germany by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm perfectly aware of the idiocy I'm suggesting. I'm also Canadian so my reluctance to boycott the US is somewhat limited.

      At some point we have to make a stand against this lunacy. It's now almost impossible to write code without being at the mercy of a patent troll.

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    4. Re:Boycott Germany by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A better way would be to allow redistribution, but only if the redistributing party allows free use of any patents it owns for the code it is redistributing to anyone receiving that code, with a right to sublicense them further (so that they can in turn comply if they redistribute). But then you just get GPLv3.

  7. How to Fight This? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's pretty shocking news to me as a German, because (naive as I am) I always considered the German High Court is halfway reasonable.

    Could we perhaps fight software patents by getting completely ridiculous and untenable patents accepted and afterwards make this public? -- This could have the desired effect but is probably never going to happen, because the whole patenting process is a bit expensive. :(

    In my opinion the whole idea that someone could dictate me what computational methods I use and sell is totally ridiculous. A lot of my work involves formal logic and methodology and I can't wait for the day when I'll publish a scientific paper that unbeknown to me infringes on some patent and then get sued for it. If this software patent idiocy continues, it will be impossible to teach any higher mathematics at university in 200 years from now without violating someone's patents, but I'm sure some companies already have licensing plans in the drawer for this scenario. Crazy...

  8. What a disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What a disaster. The stupidity of the US patent system has now spread like the virus it is here.

  9. Down the rabbit hole by sweatyboatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    by that logic, I could get a patent for my novel by describing its contents and adding "a hardware appliance consisting of a bound book with paper pages printed on with ink". Then I could sue anyone who made a book using the themes of my patented invention. Wow, I'm gonna get rich! I sure hope nobody else has patented this idea already! (Note to self: remember to file a parallel patent describing how my book would be displayed on a eReader)

    As cbiltcliffe points out above, software patents are presented and enforced as "process" patents. A software patent is not for the invention of a machine, it's a generic "way of doing" something on a machine.

    That some patent lawyers attempt to shoehorn a process patent into a hardware patent by appending a generic description of a computer just shows that they acknowledge that, without such machinations, a software process would not qualify for patent protection.

    Computers are designed to run generic code, that's their function and core value. To claim that running your patent-pending software on a machine that's designed to run generic software is somehow an improvement of that machine is ludicrous.

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  10. The Courts by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People need to understand that in most western countries, the judiciary is a kind of priesthood utterly divorced from reality or common sense. What matters to lawyers and judges are not concepts like "justice", "equity" or "reason". What matters to them is the written rule of the law, and how it is best spun into ways that benefit both the priesthood and its patrons--the wealthy and powerful. The courts have no interest in the effects of their judgements. They have interest only in which lawyers arguments were more pleasing in the eyes of legal dogma.

    This is a very, very serious problem which has only gotten worse in recent decades. The fact that most politicians are drawn from this clique has only accelerated the utter divorce of the courts from reality. Decisions like these are symptomatic of a judicial system that has broken down at a basic level. There are more across the legal spectrum: lenient corporate fines, excessive tort compensation, stringent libel fines, patents in general, children being convicted of child sex abuse, the rollback of habeas corpus, excess cost of legal defence, battery, etc, etc. The court system is entirely broken.

    We live in an age of the misrule of law. If things get any worse, we'll be better off with no legal system at all.

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  11. Re:Hello World by Bakkster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, "Hello World" happens to be one of the very first programs ever made and has plenty of prior art.

    That's never stopped patent offices from awarding a patent anyway.

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