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The Go-Anywhere Cyber Cafe In a Shipping Container

nk497 writes "UK IT charity Computer AID has come up with a clever idea to use shipping containers to house thin-client-based, solar-powered cyber cafes, which can be used to bring connectivity to rural communities in Africa. The £20,000 boxes use a single Pentium 4 PC split out using thin client devices to offer computing to 10 people via local wireless access or mobile broadband. The solar power created from a single panel is enough to power the PC, 10 monitors, lighting, and also to charge mobile phones. Computer Aid founder Tony Roberts notes, 'The power of this idea is that we can drop that container anywhere in the world, literally in the middle of the Sahara desert.'"

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  1. that much!? by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    20 grand?! Must be some pricey solar panels... Containers aren't that expensive...

    1. Re:that much!? by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of the pricetag goes towards the mini Starbucks they fit inside there.

    2. Re:that much!? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A good router can cost $20,000 by itself.

      For a maximum of 10 people? $100 will do you fine.

      HVAC systems,

      It's a P4 - you know, the type of computer that people are giving away because they're pretty lousy in terms of performance and electrical consumption per bogomip.

      Most of the shipping container is taken up with chairs and two counters for the keyboards and thin-client monitors. It would be a lot cheaper to just send a server, a wireless router, and the thin clients on a palette, and set up a solar-powered charging station.

      The shipping container is going to be too damn hot to sit in, even with a door and a window or two.

  2. Pentium 4? by marciot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Pentium 4 powering ten web browsers? I hope everyone doesn't go to YouTube at once.

    1. Re:Pentium 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really?? How about using a single 12-core processor from AMD. But then that only uses 80W or so on average. Considering you can get that system for $1000 + RAM + HD, looks significantly cheaper than using P4.

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182230

      At that point all you need is a cheap ass switch and you can *easily* handle 15 thin clients. Thin clients running ARM processors and energy efficient solar panels would be best.

    2. Re:Pentium 4? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the power difference between a P4 and a modern CPU wasn't enough the change the number of solar cells required, then it doesn't matter if it uses extra power. Given the point of the charity is specifically to reuse old equipment, then they might as well pack up and go home if they have to buy all new stuff.

      A P4 would be enough to run 10 users. 15 years ago I ran a 10 user office from a single 386. By today's standard it was slow, but it still worked. Considering that the communications in the remote regions of Africa is likely to be high latency and low bandwidth then it is not as if it will be possible to use Youtube or anything like it.

  3. Pentium 4? by NaCh0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should have went with a more power efficient (and faster) core 2 duo. It's not like the cost difference would have been noticeable given the cost of the shipping container, solar panels, etc.

  4. Convenient by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They make everything in convenient container sizes now:

    - servers
    - internet cafes
    - anti-ship missiles
    - nuclear reactors
    - nuclear bombs

    Shipping containers are the "in" thing to do nowadays.

    1. Re:Convenient by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Informative

      US Army living quarters in Iraq... You should look at how the prices shot up with the war over there kicking off and getting in full swing. Loads of containers went off the market over a very short period of time...

  5. why not use amd?? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    why not use amd?? more cores at less power then intel.

    and a P4 with HT? Dual core? doing 10 VM like systems?

    How much ram does it have 256? 512? 1g 2g 4g?

    1. Re:why not use amd?? by threephaseboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Post made entirely of questions

      (Score:5, Informative)

      Never change, slashdot.

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  6. Cargo cult by ugen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dropping this container in the middle of Africa is a good way to establish a new cargo cult.

    Seriously, though - why are these people so intent on providing Internet access to countries and people that need many more basic things in life first (including proper hygiene, medical care, food, clothing, development of civic society, business, infrastructure, etc etc). Providing internet without these other things results in proliferation of "Nigerian scams" and very little else.

    1. Re:Cargo cult by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was just wondering how far down I'd have to scroll to see this traditional response to this type of story:

      Dropping this container in the middle of Africa is a good way to establish a new cargo cult.

      Seriously, though - why are these people so intent on providing Internet access to countries and people that need many more basic things in life first (including proper hygiene, medical care, food, clothing, development of civic society, business, infrastructure, etc etc). Providing internet without these other things results in proliferation of "Nigerian scams" and very little else.

      You're responding to a post about a:

      ( ) Technical innovation in a developing country
      (*) Product shipped to a developing market
      ( ) General discussion about IT in the developing world

      The location is:

      (*) Africa
      ( ) India
      ( ) Bangladesh
      ( ) China
      ( ) Somewhere else in Asia
      ( ) South America
      ( ) Central America
      ( ) Other _unspecified_

      You're objecting to it on the basis that:

      (*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in that country yet
      ( ) American jobs will be lost

      Your argument is bogus because:

      ( ) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in the developed world either, that doesn't mean we should halt all technological research
      ( ) This will not adversely affect any efforts to alleviate poverty
      (*) This will help to alleviate poverty
      ( ) Poverty in that country isn't as widespread as you say it is
      ( ) The US does not have a divine right to keep all the cool jobs

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    2. Re:Cargo cult by DavidR1991 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whilst I would generally agree with this kind of debunking, I have to disagree this time around - purely because of the cost. This is a massive amount of money. 'High level' stuff (computers, internet etc.) can wait until basic amenities are fully in place. This huge amount of money can be spent on something more crucial before computers etc. because very few people die because lack of a computer in a cargo carrier. Coupled with the fact the first one is going to Zambia of all places - which is stricken not only by poverty but also AIDS

      I get where you're coming from. The idea everyone in place X is struck by poverty is naive. But Zambia of all places is not exactly in dire need of computing power versus other kinds of donations. To top it off, a good 20% of their population is AIDs positive.

    3. Re:Cargo cult by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously, though - why are these people so intent on providing Internet access to countries and people that need many more basic things in life first

      What does it matter to you? It's their charity, their money, and therefore their decision about what they want to do. If you think people need something else more, start your own damn charity.

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    4. Re:Cargo cult by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      which is stricken not only by poverty but also AIDS ... a good 20% of their population is AIDs positive.

      Well said. Considering the widespread belief that raping a virgin girl will cure a man of AIDS, I believe we have more basic issues to resolve.

  7. lots of empty by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets go haul a big empty shipping container around for giggles? This thing looks like it could be condensed down to 11 netbooks and the solar panels to power them, figure 4k for the lot vs 20k for this. Aside from the solar panels your talking about 20kg of netbooks than can be stored at night and carried by a single man to the destination on his back. Want something permanent get the locals to build something or reuse an existing building. This just seems like a me to me to see we have shipping container stuff isn't it cool.

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    1. Re:lots of empty by AmishElvis · · Score: 2, Informative

      the US military uses converted shipping containers to house deployed soldiers in Afghanistan. They have lights, power, small window mounted heat/air conditioning units, and sometimes they're even wired for internet. Much more comfortable and private than tents or communal b-huts. Also, do you really need to let in sunlight to A) an internet cafe in B) the middle of the desert?

  8. This is exactly what the world is crying out for. by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 2, Funny

    More 419 spams.

  9. Um, what about heat?!? by printman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, so lets put a metal shipping container (i.e. a big metal box) out in the desert and have people sit in there throughout the day - won't that get awfully hot?!?

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  10. Solar Coffee Too? by rueger · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe one solar panel can run a PC and ten monitors, but how do you power the Cappuccino maker?

  11. Teach a man to fish... by denzacar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... by throwing a fishing pole into his face.

    Basically, this is yet another fruit from the tree of philosophy of "if only Africanians had the KNOWLEDGE they would fix all their problems by themselves".
    Like the missing infrastructure - they would learn how to build roads and how to grow crops using only their hands by reading wikipedia.
    And maybe playing Civilization. And Farmville. Clean water would be provided from similar sources.
    Also, they would use the internet to study medicine and become doctors.
    In their spare time, between building roads, feeding themselves and getting their medical degree, they would figure out that whole economy shtick and kick ou.. no BUY OUT the foreign industries that keep exploiting them and their countries' natural resources.
    They would also inherently gravitate towards a free democratic society.
    Schools and hospitals and (clean industry) factories would simply pop-up everywhere when enough people learn enough things.
    There would be no corrupt politicians, no criminals, no dictatorships or interracial hatred or conflict.

    Really... All these people need to pull the Utopia up from the sand by its umm... cables?.. is The Internet.
    Then they would have the same wonderful system that all the remaining people in the world have - only better, cause they would have it "ready-made".
    No need for pesky experimentation and all those nasty revolutions when you have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips.
    Right?

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  12. OK... I'll bite... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How in the hell will this alleviate poverty?

    Let's take Nigeria for example.
    I KNOW FOR A FACT that they've got both Internet AND a working postal system there. I've seen the evidence.

    How will the "Internet in a box" magically alleviate poverty there? You can't just have the whole country running 419 scams.

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    1. Re:OK... I'll bite... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Internet access helps alleviate poverty in the same way that cell phones: by removing intermediaries and giving farmers access to up-to-date pricing information and buyers.

      Or did technology that dramatically improves communication suddenly cease to be useful because you don't have derivatives to sell?

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  13. What about the connection? by Hartree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, the box itself can work in the middle of the Sahara, but how much is a satellite link and the ground equipment for it going to cost? I'm guessing it doesn't provide enough power to run that as well as the unit itself. So, you probably also need a power source for the ground station.

    It might be more usefull in a village with no power, but close in to a city with wireless connectivity that could be accessed with a good directional antenna.

    If you've already got a place with a hard wired connection or a ground station, then the PC's and power source are likely already available.

  14. Re:I could see $20k by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative
    Used shipping containers are dirt cheap. They're piling up because it's cheaper to make new ones than to ship the old ones back.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvcUe_yPHdg

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/15/20060615-122003-3483r/

    But then you have to finish the insides. I could see $20k, especially with insulation.

    I bet you've never seen the inside of a shipping container. You can get them with wooden interior walls, floor, and ceiling. Air them out, slap on a coat of paint, and you're good to go. People are buying them to make work sheds, etc., you can get a 40' for $1500 0 $1700 without even trying,

  15. Solar-powered thin client labs by terminak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked for an NGO in Cambodia (http://www.kapekh.org) that implemented a similar program with thin clients powered by solar panels, but without the cargo container.

    The program saw these thin clients installed within high school computer rooms, and had the simple goal of teaching office skills to impoverished high school children. Prior, we had a dozen or so standard computer labs that had endless issues with maintenance, misuse (video games, vcds, etc) and the expense of electricity. Thin clients ended up being way easier all around. Prior to getting USAID funding, we were sourcing them directly from a Chinese vendor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7OYQzv75Pk - A video of one of our first labs being opened and an overview of the idea. I believe there are about 20 of these labs now.

    One of the issues we found with solar panels and the battery banks was the misuse of electricity perceived as "free". Charging mobile phones using high-end solar panel batteries was an issue, especially when our networking equipment was unplugged to allow for more charging devices.

  16. Why does rural Africa need cyber cafes? by joelsanda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't, for the life of me, imagine why Africa needs cyber cafes. In all seriousness ... there aren't internet cafes in rural Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah or Idaho - places I drive through or hike in. Do those folks want internet cafes? Can you order something from Amazon and have it delivered there? If they go to news sites all they see is how bad their continent is compared to the rest of the world, at least if the BBC, Reuters, CNN, etc ... have anything to say on that.

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  17. Lovely examples those... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Internet access helps alleviate poverty in the same way that cell phones: by removing intermediaries and giving farmers access to up-to-date pricing information and buyers.

    This is what that "internet access" (which was actually a broker and micro-loan program) did:
    http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-122219-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html
    http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5877.html

    The epilogue to this project is not good. One year after the follow-up data were
    collected, the exporter refused to continue buying the crops from DrumNet farmers since
    none of the SHGs had obtained EurepGap certification. DrumNet lost money on its loan
    to the farmers and collapsed, but equally importantly farmers were forced to sell to
    middlemen, sometimes leaving a harvest to rot. As reported to us by DrumNet, the
    farmers were outraged but powerless, and subsequently returned to growing what they
    had been growing before (e.g., local crops such as maize).

    As for the "cell phones" link, you don't have to go farther than the article itself:

    Most of these unconnected masses live in rural areas that are much poorer and more remote than Muruguru.
    Now cell-phone makers and service providers understand that they can make money by bringing cell-phone service within reach of people who live on $2 a day.
    Users buy new phones for as little as $20--and secondhand models for far less--as well as airtime in increments of just 75 cents in Kenya, enough for nearly 10 minutes of off-peak calling.
    .
    They increased their profits by an average of 8% after they began using mobile phones to find out which coastal marketplaces were offering the best prices for sardines. Yet consumer prices for fish dropped 4% because the fishermen no longer had to throw away the catch they couldn't sell when they sailed into a port after all the buyers had left.
    "That's what economic efficiencies are about--everyone is better off," says Jensen.

    It is simply wonderful seeing such selective blindness.

    A mobile phone costs as little as 1000% of your daily costs.
    10 minutes (charged by a minute, so that is less than 10 calls) of mobile-credit costs you 37.5% of your daily costs.
    And to even that out, your income has increased by 8%.

    So, on average, that one 10-minute charge eats up that 8% increase in profit five out of seven days a weak.
    But all is not so dark and dreary - if they work 7 days a weak, they will earn 0.32$ of extra profit each weak.
    That way, they get to pay off that 20$ phone of theirs in only 1.2 years. Not accounting for interests.

    After that - the sky is the limit!

     
    Sure. For some people in developing nations mobile phones are providing A phone for the first time.
    For some even a way of long distance communication of any kind for the first time.
    And there are bound to be benefits from that as well as some measurable increases of quality of life.

    But attaching the "it alleviates poverty" label on the mobile phone is way off the target.
    Only people whose poverty is alleviated are mobile-phone merchants and local telecommunication companies (that practice the best kinds of monopolies - uncontrolled and rampant).
    For a "regular Joe" they are more of a resource drain than a "poverty alleviation".

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    1. Re:Lovely examples those... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Notice that the problem in the first article had nothing to do with internet access, but with a certification process attached to their new crop.

      Furthermore, what you fail to understand in your analysis of cell phone usage is that it takes only one person in the village to make one call to figure out what to do. The way it actually works is that someone who already has some money buys a used phone, and then resells phone calls to an entire village, or entire area. The costs are indeed spread out among many people, which makes the system work - as demonstrated by profits going up, not just revenue.

      Seriously, if you want to critique something, at least know the systems in place. Not to mention that it is a straw man of epic proportions to argue that because neither technology was a silver bullet, it should never be used by anyone.

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  18. #1 Create Some Wealth, #2 Improve People's Lives by thaig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are a lot of people to cure or help and no money to cure them with. Hence it's much more important to invest in wealth creation than charity.

    I've seen your proposed way of doing things and it didn't work well for us:

    A Zimbabwean.

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