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Conservative Textbook Curriculum Passes Final Vote In Texas

suraj.sun sends in a followup to a story we've been following about the Texas Board of Education's efforts to put a more political spin on some of their state's textbooks. From the Dallas Morning News: "In a landmark move that will shape the future education of millions of Texas schoolchildren, the State Board of Education on Friday approved new curriculum standards for US history and other social studies courses that reflect a more conservative tone than in the past. Split along party lines, the board delivered a pair of 9-5 votes to adopt the new standards, which will dictate what is taught in all Texas schools and provide the basis for future textbooks and student achievement tests over the next decade. Texas standards often wind up being taught in other states because national publishers typically tailor their materials to Texas, one of the biggest textbook purchasers in the country. Approval came after the GOP-dominated board approved a new curriculum standard that would encourage high school students to question the legal doctrine of church-state separation — a sore point for social conservative groups who disagree with court decisions that have affirmed the doctrine, including the ban on school-sponsored prayer."

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  1. Time to stop relying on Texas... by Improv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We either need the DOE to take control of this kind of thing, or we need the other states to be willing to go through this process for themselves.

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    1. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Department of Energy?

      Heathen, energy is a myth. It is just a manifestation of God's blessings bestowed upon us. It is he who makes the sun shine, plants grow (the conversion from solar to chemical is one of His miracles, falsely attributed to photosynthesis by sinners). Repent sinner.

      At least that was what my textbook told me.

    2. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by adamchou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your ideas are fine and all but the real issue here isn't the fact that decisions were made at the wrong level. The problem here is that decisions are being made by a group of people with an agenda to pass that completely goes against our countries constitution. Even worse, they're trying to educate our future children concepts that are polar opposites of what our country was founded upon.

    3. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by RazorSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Reality has a liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

      Show me a textbook that even slightly implies that Nixon started Vietnam. Please. Perhaps you meant ended.

      Goldwater is barely worth studying (much more important things occurred during that era, like civil rights) and the Contract with America, while important, has yet to be a part of history long enough to be properly evaluated. Detailed modern history is usually reserved for higher education.

      Your argument that we have less reason to trust the federal government than the state of Texas with our educational criteria is absurd. How ironic that you used Orwell, a socialist, to defend this absurd claim. Perhaps if the state of Texas wasn't making it mandatory for their textbooks to print lies then you would have a point, but there has never been any indication that the federal government, if they did control academic curriculum, would utilize it to for propaganda. You trust the Texas Board of Education more than the federal government because you fear the feds might do what the TBE is doing?

      Orwell is probably rolling in his grave over how grossly misunderstood 1984 is. The guy wasn't a libertarian, he wasn't anti-federal government. If anything, he'd be critical of the double-speak the TBE is trying to implement into their textbooks. To say this nation was founded as a theocracy is a lie. To deny the intentional boundary our founding fathers formed between church and state is to lie. This crazy brand of Christianity these evangelicals practice didn't even exist when this country was founded and when Thomas Jefferson used the word "God" he never meant "the Judeo-Christian God."

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    4. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't see that the difference in education systems has helped you.

      Actually the superior educational system in Germany has helped them a lot. They are the number one exporter of manufactured goods. And they're able to make all these superior manufactured goods despite the fact that they are among the most labor-friendly societies in the world. Labor unions in Germany are much stronger than here in the US and take a greater role in management than their US counterparts. A single union, the German Confederation of Trade Unions, organizes 25% of all German workers. Even though they only have open shops in Germany, union membership is higher than in the US.

      Meanwhile, here in the US, we're destroying labor unions and hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs.

      It seems that Germany's superior educational system (which is government-funded through university by the way) has helped them a lot. You'd think that as America falls further and further behind the rest of the world in areas such as health care, education, legalized marijuana that there would be more of an effort to learn something from other countries. Instead, some of us (Texas, for example) seem intent on making our society dumber.

      The most important thing to note is that this decision by the Texas School Board will effect the textbooks in many other states. Yet Texas ranks 49th out of the 50 states in education. Instead of trying to raise the standards to match the states that are the most successful in education students, we're intent on lowering our standards to match the states that are the worst.

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    5. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by N1EY · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I went to school in Massachusetts. We learned that Nixon got us into Vietnam. I really remember this because I actually called the teacher on it. I also asked about Nixon's economic policies.

    6. Re:Time to stop relying on Texas... by jbezorg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reality has a progressive bias.

      For some reason, I read that as "Reality has a progress bar".

      I guess it's still loading in some places.

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  2. Texas by crumbz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Still fighting the American Civil War in 2010.

  3. Re:Trite, I know by jimicus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oi! I'm a goddamn piece of shit cum-stain on humanity, I would regress us back into the dark ages with a selfish, head-up-haemorrhoid-filled-arse mentality and I object to being compared to the Texas Board of Education.

  4. Re:Wrong reasons for condemning. by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because this isn't about questioning government per se.

    It's about questioning why America doesn't allow the church to create laws.

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  5. Can this be legally challenged? by starseeker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "We need to have students compare and contrast this current view of separation of church and state with the actual language in the First Amendment," said McLeroy, who like other social conservatives contends that separation of church and state was established in the law only by activist judges and not by the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

    I don't suppose this and statements like "Christian land governed by Christian principles" would provide ammunition for a lawsuit that the State Board of Education is itself guilty of a violation of the separation of church and state? It's not evolution, to be sure, but the motivation sounds, based on these accounts, to be highly suspect.

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    1. Re:Can this be legally challenged? by sstamps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is entirely up to interpretation if allowing prayer in schools constitutes an "establishment of religion" or whether it is "prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

      Disallowing prayer in schools *IS* "prohibiting the free exercise thereof". REQUIRING prayer, or even LEADING prayer constitutes an "establishment of religion". Both are similarly odious, and both must be denied / stopped / prevented under the law.

      Simply put, if the kids want to pray, let them pray, and to whomever and about whatever they please. However, the teachers, administrators, counselors, etc, should not be leading said prayer, nor should the school policies require it in any way, shape, or form.

      Besides, to whom, for whom, or for what reason are the kids going to be required to pray / led to pray? That's where this gets sticky. Muslims and Jews aren't going to pray to Jesus. Atheists aren't going to pray to anyone. Buddhists and Hindus are going to be looking at each other going "wtf?".

      That's why the whole notion of challenging the foundational concept of the separation of church and state is, to put it very mildly, so wrong.

      We've been going at this for over two centuries, and we're still debating this? It's settled. It's done. It is just and correct. Leave it the hell alone. (I know I am mostly preaching to the choir here; it is just a mini-rant directed at the "conservatives" in Texas rehashing this stupidity).

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  6. Open Source Textbooks? by starseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've wondered about this for a while now - couldn't universities ban together and commit some resources (a small contribution from a large number of schools) to create a K-12 series of texts on major subjects, that is designed by the best available experts and freely available for all districts to use? Creative Commons licensing (oddly enough, CC has a link right now to Virginia's Department of Education and some work they are doing) and (insofar as is humanly possible) a focus on just the facts of history and their documentable consequences. To enforce some objective standard of what constitutes a fact, require documented citations to primary historical sources for all parts of the book asserting facts - preferably citations with links to the source material. The final form of the textbook delivered to students wouldn't necessarily include those references, but they would be present online and mandatory for anything that reached the "final" version. Let the broader college professor community decide on the acceptability of/validity of any particular cited source.

    Not only would this provide a mechanism for creation and distribution of textbooks that wouldn't be easily influenced by political agendas (tenured professors are about as pressure-proof as we're likely to get and still have sufficient domain knowledge to do useful work) but it would make good quality teaching materials universally and cheaply available. If school districts didn't have to pony up so much money for textbooks, what else could they do with the money?

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  7. A quote from one of the board members: by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "What we have is the history profession, the experts, seem to have a left-wing tilt, so what we were doing is trying to restore some balance to the standards," board member Don McLeroy said in March.

    In other words: "Despite being a two-bit politician on a school board, I'm going to ignore what even I call the experts' views and bend curriculum to support my political whims because I am a fucking retard."

  8. Re:Isn't this just increasing the cost of educatio by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't sound so "conservative" to me. Lies are conservative?

    Environmentalism=conservation, "conservatives"=anti-environmentalism.

    Constitution: separation of church and state (what could be more conservative than the basis of all US law?). "Conservatives": church in state=sponsored schools.

    The list goes on. The only thing they want to conserve is the rich's wealth. "Antiprogress" is a better label than "conservative".

    These "conservatives" are anti-American.

  9. Re:History is the most important subject by Draek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, "I think we've corrected the imbalance we've had in the past and now have our curriculum headed straight down the middle." I don't know if what they have is "straight down the middle", but to me, any correction the other way is a good thing after 140 years of liberal guidance.

    Not really. Thing is, you're assuming these "liberals" that "injected their view" previously were far-left extremists. They weren't even close. In fact, by most of the world's recognition they were at best "mild conservatives" so a correction the other way would've been to push a true liberal agenda, this turn towards hardcore fundamentalism only exacerbates the problem that already existed beforehand.

    In most of the world I'm categorized as a right-wing conservative, yet in the US I'd likely be labeled a "capitalism-hating socialist" for my political views. You there have Mussolini in one side and Hitler on the other, the middle ground between them is still fascism. What you need to look for is a middle ground on a *global* scale, but that lies to the left of your left, not to your right.

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  10. Re:I for one by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "rewriting history" is just accusation against someone that doesn't believe your incorrect version of history.

    "Rewriting history" means just that. The objection is they are changing what is taught as history to be something other than what the documents and supporting evidence that we have shows it to be, in favor of what non-experts who haven't done any research but do have a political agenda want it to be.

    The federal government doesn't get to say what history is, neither do you.

    Both the federal and state governments are forbidden from promoting any specific religion and with very good reason. If you bothered to read the writings of the founding fathers you'd see some excellent explanations as to why this is the case. Now you have a state government trying to convince the citizenry that is not the case, using tax dollars; which is likely illegal under the exact provision they're trying to convince people does not exist... all this while admitting they are not "experts" and haven't done any "research" on the topic.

  11. Re:When did progress... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Under God" was not originally in the Pledge of Allegiance. Francis Bellamy wrote the pledge in 1892. The phrase "Under God" was added in 1954.

  12. Re:When did progress... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might interest you to know that from a standpoint of pretty much every other democratic country in the world, the USA's main parties are either right wing or extreme right wing. Progressives are merely moderate right wing.

    USA fear of anything "social" causes few americans to understand there is a very wide gap between fascism/communism and what americans consider normal.

    Most of the world has watched with puzzlement as many american's protested (and continue to protest) against a medical healthcare system even less social than what most democratic countries have been running succesfully for decades.

    In my own experience, many Americans seem to blackout when the word "social" is mentioned, immediately jumping to the conclusion that it means "oppressive communist dictatorship" instead of merely "less anti-social". When the USA and it's citizens do so many things right and have so much to offer the rest of the world, I just find it sad to know most Americans simply don't care about anybody but themselves.

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