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Stem Cell Patent Halts Hospital's Collection

eldavojohn writes "It's a classic case that comes up when dealing with patents. A hospital's research on the donated brains of deceased children has been in limbo for three years because of a challenge from a patent holder. The double-edged sword of patents that spurred investment into the field will also cause chilling effects on research like the case of the Children's Hospital of Orange County. They've now been forced to shift the money from the lab to lawyers in order to deal with this ongoing patent dispute over a technique that was developed to extract stem cells at the Salk Institute. Unfortunately the Salk Institute failed to patent the technology, so a company named StemCells happily had it approved. The real disheartening news is that CHOC's Dr. Philip H. Schwartz — the doctor collecting the cells — was one of the original researchers who helped developed this technique at the Salk Institute. Now he can't even use the technique he helped create. Schwartz has since been instructed not to publicly discuss the case further. Research interests are clashing with commercial interests in a classic case that causes one to wonder if patents surrounding medical techniques like this stretch too far. As for the people that donated their dead child's brain to research, those valuable stem cell cultures have been kept in storage instead of being disseminated to research labs (which desperately need them) across the country."

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  1. How patently stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A group that didn't invent it shouldn't even be able to patent it. Fuck you, "StemCells", fuck you to the grave.

    1. Re:How patently stupid. by Jeng · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didn't RTFA?

      One of the doctors complaining is one of the doctors that invented the process.

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    2. Re:How patently stupid. by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Knowingly leaving out the real inventors will get them more than just a slap on the wrist...

      Yes, but only after years of legal battles. They'll need the first court to overturn the patent before they would be able to go back after them for damages. That's the problem here... Patents are being blindly issued, only looking to see if it was patented before. Then, it's up to the courts to determine the validity of the patent... That's horrible for the little guy, who chances are doesn't have the money to pay for the legal fees. So the only people the current patent system helps, are the big companies and the courts.

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    3. Re:How patently stupid. by Kpau · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It would be a real shame if StemCells mysteriously burned to the ground and all the executives, investors, and such were found to have had their brains extracted. Not that I'm suggesting anything....

  2. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you could say that the company StemCells
     
    ::puts on sunglasses::
     
    is causing division in this new industry?
     
    ::yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh::

  3. One can always hope by handy_vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dead child brains?

    Advanced medical research?

    Idea-stealing profiteers and soulless lawyers, deserving of comeuppance?

    I smell zombies!

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  4. Prior art? by Kronon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can StemCells be granted a patent for this technique? It would seem that Salk Institute can prove that it is prior art (i.e. that they utilized this technique prior to any patent claims by StemCells), invalidating the patent claim by StemCells.

  5. The value of defensive patents. by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a great example of why defensive patents are necessary. The inventor can obtain the patents, then grant anyone a free, perpetual license to use the technology. Hopefully, the doctor will win the lawsuit based on his work in creating the process but it's pretty crazy that it's not certain that he can win unless his creative process was public enough to constitute prior art.

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    1. Re:The value of defensive patents. by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The solution to over-patenting isn't more patents. That would just be shoveling more money to lawyers and away from doing research or curing people. The solutions here seem to be to either allow nonprofits and universities to use patents for basic research, or to shorten patent lengths. A 20 year patent seems ridiculous when product lifecycles and discoveries are moving much more quickly.

    2. Re:The value of defensive patents. by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How nice that they're allowed to spend ten to twenty thousand dollars applying for a patent that they don't intend to use. All in an effort to prevent what is basically being blackmailed by a company that has not only stolen your ideas from you, but also from everyone else who would do work in the field. What a wonderful, effective system we have.

  6. Research = Noncommercial by sonnejw0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Research is a noncommercial endeavour, and as such patent infringement cannot occur. What these "researchers" were trying to do with these brains was something akin to a commercial endeavour, whereby the can extract the stem cells within the dead children's brains, grow them as eternal cell culture and cell these renewing stem cell cultures to real researchers. If they were performing non-profit research, they could use whatever technique the wanted to ... it's like a hobby.

    You can go tinker with your car and fabricate a new intake manifold on your own to make it go faster, and not be afraid of being sued for patent infringement because you used some company's design for an intake manifold. When you start racing professionally with that car seeking sponsorships and purses, then you've committed patent infringement.

    1. Re:Research = Noncommercial by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Salk sells stem cells by the sea shore?

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  7. Re:prior art? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do you assume there has to be a profit motive in order to run amok of patents?

  8. Re:Prior art? by gorzek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They still have to go to court to get it invalidated, though.

  9. Become part of the brain drain. by 2obvious4u · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Move to China, Russia, or Canada. After reading today's Slashdot news I don't know why anyone would want to live in the Western World.

    You can't buy lab equipment since in the West that would make you a drug maker or a terrorist.
    You can't create innovative software that does something better than an established market, because you're infringing on a patent. (The whole MPEG-LA thing...)
    You can't grow one of the most useful plants known to man, because someone might ingest its bud and receive pleasure from it.

    Honestly, Just move to another country that doesn't respect the US patents and start saving lives. I'm sure India would love to have your expertise. There is also the United Arab Emirates, and the other Oil producing nations that are actively building research facilities to help them compete when the oil runs out.

  10. Re:here you go by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mr. Martin M. McGlynn serves as President, Chief Executive Officer, Director of StemCells Inc....$1,324,380 per year

    'Tis good to be a patent troll

    Why do we have patents on life-saving techniques? Can you imagine if there was a patent on washing your hands or stitching a wound?

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  11. Re:Publish Owners Names by Enleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A guy with a Barret M107, a handful of .50 BMG bullets with "for this patent bullshit" engraved on them and an escape helicopter would help, too.

    Every time I read about scumbags like this, I'm more and more convinced that this is indeed the only way.

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  12. Re:Medical Patents by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Double edged sword. It can take decades of time and millions upon millions to spit out one thing useful. Patents give return on investment.

    I'd love research done for research's sake too, but pragmatism has this nasty habit of beating the snot out of idealism.

    However...
    Besides, if you didn't invent it, screw off.
    Damn right. StemCells needs to be staplegunned to the wall for this crap...as well as the Patent Office being held liable too, since someone didn't do their prior art research.

  13. Re:Prior art? by Kronon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see any proof of that in the article. The article implies that it was lack of initiative by Salk Institute that allowed StemCells to secure a patent on the technique: "The dispute comes down to access to a technique that Schwartz helped develop at the Salk Institute but the institute failed to patent. StemCells did." Can you provide a citation that gives a detailed chronology? In any case, Weissman comes off as a huge hypocrite by freezing out a research group with no commercial interests --- i.e., on the one hand he'll advocate for freedom to carry out this research, while simultaneously stymieing basic, non-commercial research with the other. This is what really bothers me about patents: They can enable commercial interests to erect a fence and keep out any public research in a potentially large area of science. Commercial interests can often secure funds to pay for licensing the patents. This usually is not in the budget for publicly funded research groups. (My preview shows this appearing as a wall of text, even though I have included white space.)

  14. Re:here you go by kurokame · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point of patents is that if you come up with something cool, the patent protects your ability to make a living off of having done so both through marketing it yourself and through licensing it to others.

    It doesn't often work that way in practice. Patents are used to prevent competition instead of encouraging it, and licensing fees are used to determine who can and who cannot practically work with the technology. It's yet another case where the basic idea was sound but the implementation is lacking. A major issue has been that the scientific and corporate landscape has changed significantly over time, while the patent system has not adapted adequately.