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Titanium Oxide For High-Density Optical Storage

Stoobalou and other readers sent along word of research out of Japan, using a new crystal form of titanium oxide for high-density data storage — promising discs that store 1,000 times more data than Blu-ray does today, up to 25 TB. The material transforms from a black-colored metal state that conducts electricity into a brown semiconductor when hit by light, at room temperature. Titanium oxide's market price is about one-hundredth that of the rare element that is currently used in rewritable Blu-ray discs and DVDs. The material is cheap and safe, and is already being used in many products ranging from face powder to white paint. The researchers successfully created the material in particles measuring as small as 5 nanometers in diameter.

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  1. Conductive properties by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm wrong, but what does being a conductor/semiconductor have to do with an optical disk?

    1. Re:Conductive properties by Tapewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This state change also changes its reflectivity, similar to how a CD-RW works.

  2. Slashdotted, Coral cache link by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Slashdotted, Coral cache link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i agree

    2. Re:Slashdotted, Coral cache link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. Agreement is vital in our restructured society.

  3. Good for archival purposes? by pegasustonans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there any projections/estimates related to how stable this media would be when used for long-term archival storage?

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    1. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I admit having no idea about the answer to that very interesting question but the fact that the surface changes "when hit by light, at room temperature" makes me suspect it doesn't have much chance on that front.

      We need a disk that can only be writen by divine intervention at Hell's main furnace, temperature.

    2. Re:Good for archival purposes? by pookemon · · Score: 1

      I wondered this too - given the state change is activated by light - how do you read this "optical" disk?

      With a laser? Oh wait...

      And you leave the disk sitting on your desk, when someone turns on the light and all your data disappears.

      Plus my understanding is that blue-ray disks are possible because of the ability to use blue light (which refracts less making the beam more confined) - what would they need to use for these new disks.

      It all sounds like pie in the sky stuff to me.

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    3. Re:Good for archival purposes? by martijnd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just put into a light sealed box -- bit like a hard disk today.

      Oh, that was too simple a solution? I am sure we can think of something more complicated.

    4. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Vekseid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Titanium dioxide itself is ridiculously stable. It's what makes it so safe - we use it to whiten marshmallows for crying out loud. How stable the structure is is an open question though, it doesn't say what frequency or intensity of light.

    5. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What they need to do is invent different kinds of light. Obviously it could be confusing, so we'd have to give them different names. Perhaps we could come up with a scheme using Tolkien characters, vegetables, or even colours.

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    6. Re:Good for archival purposes? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

      I admit having no idea about the answer to that very interesting question but the fact that the surface changes "when hit by light, at room temperature" makes me suspect it doesn't have much chance on that front.

      I bet it would last at least as long as thermal fax paper.

    7. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Titanium dioxide itself is ridiculously stable. It's what makes it so safe - we use it to whiten marshmallows for crying out loud.

      Are you saying I could store my entire porn collection on marshmallows?

    8. Re:Good for archival purposes? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean read-only?

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    9. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you saying I could store my entire porn collection on marshmallows?

      Isn't your porn collection sticky enough already?

    10. Re:Good for archival purposes? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Titanium dioxide itself is ridiculously stable. It's what makes it so safe - we use it to whiten marshmallows for crying out loud.

      Are you saying I could store my entire porn collection on marshmallows?

      Not with me around. Mmmm forbidden marshmallows.

    11. Re:Good for archival purposes? by tom17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the cops come round cos of all your porn, you could just eat the evidence!

    12. Re:Good for archival purposes? by vegiVamp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gah. For a moment, there, I thought you were referring to the other respondent's "Isn't your porn collection sticky enough already?".

      I'm off to buy some steel wool for my brain scrubbing, now.

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    13. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are there any projections/estimates related to how stable this media would be when used for long-term archival storage?

      If the state changes in light, then there are some rules to follow:

      1. No bright light
      2. Don't get them wet
      3. Never feed them after midnight, no matter how much they beg
    14. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      How do you think current optical media works, with magic or something? Fucking retard.

      How stable do you think current non factory-written optical media is for long-term archival storage?

    15. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      How stable do you think current non factory-written optical media is for long-term archival storage?

      I recently received 8 CDs of legacy material from a client that a previous contractor had made for them 8 years ago. The disk surfaces were pristine: 4 worked, 1 was recoverable.

      Put me down for "Not super stable."

    16. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      If the cops come round cos of all your porn, you could just eat the evidence!

      Agggh..

      The sticky porn collection post turned every other one in the branch into a disgusting, revolting joke.

    17. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Rallias+Ubernerd · · Score: 0

      It is bigger then any hard drive i have heard of. Great solution. Don't drop it while writing, though. The laser may misaim just a little bit. Bad data galor

    18. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Megaweapon · · Score: 4, Funny

      We need a disk that can only be writen by divine intervention at Hell's main furnace, temperature.

      That would be "The Matrix: Revolutions" special edition BluRay with extended director's apology voice track.

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    19. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titanium dioxide itself is ridiculously stable. It's what makes it so safe - we use it to whiten marshmallows for crying out loud.

      Seeing as Titanium Dioxide is a DNA cleaving agent, I hope this is actually untrue.

    20. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1

      Just put into a light sealed box -- bit like a hard disk today.

      Won't somebody think of the case modders?

    21. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      with extended director's apology voice track

      That made my day, thanks.

    22. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      It all sounds like pie in the sky stuff to me.

      It's going to be perfect for cloud storage, then?

    23. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The one day I don't have mod points...

    24. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      with extended director's apology voice track.

      Brilliant.

    25. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Are there any projections/estimates related to how stable this media would be when used for long-term archival storage?"

      Not very long. Most titanium oxides of any sort are semi-unstable and degrade fairly easily, which is why they're used en-masse in sunscreen - it works for a short period of time but it degrades quickly under visible and UV wavelength light, requiring you to re-apply it.

      I'd bet exposing one of these discs to normal light for any lengthy amount of time would render the disc unusable.

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    26. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a disk that can only be writen by divine intervention at Hell's main furnace, temperature.

      Man, it would be really annoying to have to ship a disc to Michigan every time I want to rewrite it.

    27. Re:Good for archival purposes? by eharvill · · Score: 1

      It all sounds like pie in the sky stuff to me.

      Even if it isn't, until there is a device that can read/write to this disc at much faster speeds than current optical media, I can't imagine this ever taking off. And if it could reach those speeds, it probably could literally take off!

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    28. Re:Good for archival purposes? by eharvill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Somebody wastes theirs on you...

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    29. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Why would they apologize to you? It was their own story that the Watchowski Brothers ruined, not yours. I could see cutting off an ear in shame or something, but an apology?

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    30. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah yeah! Instead of being just stuck with the one wavelength of modern light, they could sort of, stretch it or squish it, then everything changes!

      I propose we call this new light "Ploo" just to torment future generations.

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    31. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The limiting factor is the disk spin rate, they simply cannot spin much faster than they do now without beginning to wobble, which very quickly shatters the disc.

      The answer is packing the data in tighter.

      This is why DVD's read an order of magnitude faster than CD's, and Blue Ray is an order of magnitude faster than DVD. They all take about the same amount of time to dump data to disk.

      Increase the data density, increase the speed. A disk with much data packed inside will take about as long to rip as a CD, assuming the hard drive could keep up.

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    32. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      It makes them all 10x funnier, while at the same time creating a strong urge to take a shower and was your mouth out with soap.

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    33. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Most titanium oxides of any sort are semi-unstable and degrade fairly easily

      Really? My toothpaste doesn't seem to degrade all that quickly.

      In fact, titanium dioxide is chemically stable. What you're confused about is the fact that it is photcatalytic. That's what makes it attractive as a sunscreen. It uses up the UV energy by combining other elements in the sunscreen. That's why it fades, it runs out of stuff to catalyze, the titanium doesn't degrade in any way. If it did, 3 year old marshmallows wouldn't be white. Trust me, they are.

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    34. Re:Good for archival purposes? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Practical production is a good way off (for that matter, they haven't yet used it for storage in the lab), but since it is electrically but optically writable, it could be de-sensitized by a coating that will permit a laser of a specific wavelength to write it but attenuate normal lighting well below the threshold.

      It could also be that another similar substance is found with somewhat better characteristics or that this proves impractical outside of the lab.

    35. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      My hard disks are all sealed very safely inside metal boxes. Their delicate little mechanical/magnetic workings are never exposed to the outside world in normal operating conditions. If I were to accidentally smash one open, I'd probably write it off as a goner.

      Why should light ever reach the platters of this drive in an archival situation?

    36. Re:Good for archival purposes? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Replying to undo accidental mod

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    37. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, although write once read none would be more secure. Most WORN drives operate like this these days.

    38. Re:Good for archival purposes? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Wooooosh.

      I was implying that there is no god.

      He said that the only way to write in the disk was with "divine intervention at Hell's main furnace". Since there is no god, and there is no hell, it would be impossible to write to the disk.

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    39. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Why should light ever reach the platters of this drive in an archival situation?"

      Well, considering the title of the story is "Titanium Oxide for High-Density *OPTICAL* Storage," I'd assume it would be exposed to light quite often.

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    40. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but presumably that means we're essentially putting a read/write limit on the disk, similar to an SSD. Might be a problem for day to day usage, but for long term archiving? Presumably you wouldn't be performing a great deal of read/writes once the disk is full of archival material.

    41. Re:Good for archival purposes? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Differential backups would have plenty of read/writes.

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  4. Finally! by sosume · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have been waiting for affordable removable storage in the TB size range for many years now! There's a giant p0^H^H document library waiting on my NAS to be archived ...

    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just publish the URL and the slashdot community would be more than happy to help you archive it.

    2. Re:Finally! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Just publish the URL and the slashdot community would be more than happy to help you archive it.

      In the Cloud!

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    3. Re:Finally! by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      You mean, like (e)SATA 2T disks at € 0.06 per gig ?

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    4. Re:Finally! by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      In the words of a great man: Real men don't need backups, they upload to a public FTP and let world mirror them.

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  5. So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine watching Doctor Manhattan's weener in 7680x4320 on a 80" tv... delicious Octo Full High Definition.

    1. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      You joke, but the Japanese are actually working on a video format with resolution just like the one you mentioned - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hi-Vision

      Disks at which TFA hints might come handy for that...

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    2. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOOooooo!

      I just rebuilt my favorite movies libraries in Blu-Ray!

      They've done this before to me, with VHS and DVDs.

      Although, Martha Stewart in Super Hi-Vision, who can oppose that?

    3. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

      NOOooooo!

      I just rebuilt my favorite movies libraries in Blu-Ray!

      This is the normal process of 'planned obsolescence' in the media delivery industry. You'll be upgrading your entire collection once or twice every 5 - 10 years (at least the parts of it that are re-released on the new format).

    4. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Good news: The analog masters don't contain much more information than the 2 megapixels per frame that you get with 1080p. Typical digital cinema projectors are 2K, which means they project a 2048 pixels wide picture (1080p is 1920 pixels wide). 4K projectors are still rare and only digitally produced movies currently provide the level of detail required to make a difference when compared to 2K projectors.

    5. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Which will never become popular enough to be used.

      It took over 12 years to get TV station to buy HD gear, and many still dont have all their gear HD yet. It's gonna take 30 years for that one to get past the cheap bastards that run the TV and media outlets.

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    6. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Considering that Japan has HD TV for alsmot 2 decades (they had an analogue system; decently succesful, it seems), it might be only 20 years?

      Probably largely pointless anyway...

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    7. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ut the Japanese are actually working on a video format with resolution just like the one you mentioned - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hi-Vision [wikipedia.org]

      Ironic that it would be Japan.

      How much res do you need for genital mosaics?

    8. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      :)

      Hm, OTOH very small subset of anime could look...stunning. Imagine moving painting, essentially.

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    9. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      This is the normal process of 'planned obsolescence' in the media delivery industry.

      Funny, people used to call it "progress".

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    10. Re:So when can I watch OFHD movies? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Hm, so a 1080p home projector of reasonably good quality will essentially give the "cinema experience", as far as the screen is involved?

      Now, how do they make the aural part so nicely sounding... (it must be something quite basic - one old, neglected cinema from "communist" times in my ex-Soviet block place also had this quite specific and pleasant sound; noise isolation, wall of heavy speakers and...size of the place? ;/ )

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  6. Won't see 1000x for a few years. by w0mprat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The full 1000x potential won't be extracted straight away, we may see this technology in the next generation x2 or x5 the density. Now that Big Content has found a reason for more capacity with 3D, and a reason to make your existing movie collection obsolete, they will be looking for the sucessor for blu-ray 3-4 years down the track (because honestly it hasn't taken over from DVDs yet).

    Interestingly in CD-ROM's heyday it wasn't uncommon for a PC to have a smaller hard drive than the amount of data that would fit on a CD-ROM. About the time DVD-ROMs were out I suppose hard drives were only a little larger. Blue-rays were fraction the size of a hard drive when the format spec was finalized (2005). Now hard drives are 20-40x larger than a blu-ray disc.

    Carelessly extrapolating from the trend I predict we might not see this technology in widespread use until a common consumer hard drive is past the 25TB mark.

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    1. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by tagno25 · · Score: 1

      I have never had a HDD smaller than my removable medium at the time. When I had a 5.25" floppy drive I had a ~30MB HDD, 3.5" floppy drive I had 200MB HDD, 700MB CD-ROM I had a 2GB HDD, 4.7GB DVD-ROM I had a 40GB Drive. Now I have ~10TB of disk space and no BD-ROM.

    2. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      3-D now, and holograms later.

    3. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by chronosan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Go go personal anecdote, I had a 486SX33 with 24MB RAM 210MB HDD and 4xCDROM drive.

    4. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by ledow · · Score: 1

      I see your crazy personal anecdote and raise you mine: The first PC I owned had a CDROM had 4Mb RAM and a 40Mb hard disk (we paid nearly the price of the computer again to upgrade from its original 1Mb with 20Mb disk), before we then changed to another PC to upgrade. It was a 1x CD-ROM too. And an ISA Sound-Blaster was cabled into it. Weirdest bit? I still have the CDROM drive and it still works.

    5. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      386DX40 with 4Mbyte of RAM, 170MB HD, Mitsumi FX-001D CD-Rom drive.

      Just because you were a late adopter of CD-Roms doesnt mean everybody was.

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    6. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better than 3D:

      With the labor market, we could just hire people to come and act out the movie for us. Call it "RealLife-O-Vision".

      I patented the idea, in case you're wondering.

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    7. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a 286 @ 20MHz with 1 MB of RAM, a 40 MB hard drive, SB 16, EGA, both 3.5" HD (1.44 MB) and 5.25" HD (1.2 MB) and a 2x CDROM. The whole system still works. Ken's Labyrinth rocks!

    8. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      With the labor market, we could just hire people to come and act out the movie for us. Call it "RealLife-O-Vision".

      It will never work out. The special effects explosions in action movies are hell on the furniture.

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    9. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aye, 386sx25 with 387, 120mb hard drive, 1x cd rom, and THAT was when I was a freshman in highschool

    10. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Tandy Model 12 with a box of 8" floppies. I demo the NASA solar panel calculation software on it about once a quarter to students.

      And I got a Tandy Model I in the basement somewhere.. I need to get this dinosaur crap out of here....

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    11. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I need to get this dinosaur crap out of here....

      To the eBaymobile!

    12. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an abacus that is in great working order.. I win.

    13. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Packard Bell 8088. 20MB HDD, 1x CD-ROM. 512KB RAM. CGA. 2400 baud modem. PC Speaker only (except plugging headphones into the CD-ROM.)

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    14. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Coprolites? Maybe you are on the trail of Barney? (Purple Tea Wreck)

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    15. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first PC had a 1Gb HDD, and I thought I was king shit of the universe. I wouldn't need another hard drive for YEARS AND YEARS. What's this? MP3? WTF is that? !!!! all my favorite songs in a couple megabytes? HOLY SHIT!!! WOOOO!!!. Welp. Need a new hard drive.

        And for more cred, I remember in and around the late high school years....scratching the cash and pleading with my dad to allow me to put another 4 megabytes of RAM and a soundblaster in his IBM so I could play Wing Commander. Remember creating a autoexec.bat and config.sys for every game? Trying to eek out just a few more Kb of RAM? How about the endless tweaking of the address, IRQ, etc of every game. Especially if you were unfortunate enough to not have a real Soundblaster or a top name video card.

          What? More old school cred? My Commodore 64 won't start...but my Commodore 128 still works perfectly....as well as (oddly) about 60% of my SSDD 5.25 floppy's that I made DS by clipping a write notch into the opposite side with scissors over twenty years ago. Ultima IV, fuck yeah.

    16. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I have a handful of pebbles. Your move.

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    17. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      Lets say one could buy movies at the way too low price of $.50 a gigabyte. Games and programs are much more expensive. But even at that price 25TB would cost $12,500. I do not see anyone filling up one of these disk with useful data for a reasonable price.

    18. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1

      I had One of these. The old XT/8088. 4.77MHz, up to 640KB RAM (ought to be enough for anybody right? OK I only had 128 KB), 10 MB HDD. I think we had a CGA card in it...

      It was working until somebody threw it away while I was at Uni. Oldest I have now is a AMD K6-2 333MHz PC... running on a PC-Chips board of all things... and yes... still works.

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    19. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got 10 fingers, and I know this because I have counted them. With them. Bet your pebbles can't do that

    20. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Well, I have a c64c and an Atari 800 XL that both work, but they don't have CD-ROM drives. The Atari doesn't have a floppy or tape drive that works, but the system and the cartridge slot do.

    21. Re:Won't see 1000x for a few years. by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Damnit... the Atari is a 600XL. "My" 800XL was borrowed from a friend who took it back eventually. He wanted to play Wizard's Crown on the original hardware.

  7. Pirate potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming up: The Lifetime Pirate Disk! One disk containing every surviving film, TV series, book, and computer game up until it's time of release. Get yours off your friend and never have to download your piracy again.

    1. Re:Pirate potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be false. That would take a least a couple petabytes.

      Signed, thepiratebay.org torrent admin.

      ^--Is that enough of a citation?

    2. Re:Pirate potential. by Therefore+I+am · · Score: 1

      Yes indeed.

      While the 'File Savers' of the world are praying for a huge capacity removable disks that have no chemical fade-out over time, the music and film industries are quaking in their boots at the very thought of such a disk.

      It hasn't happened yet but you know, just as I know, that it will!

    3. Re:Pirate potential. by eharvill · · Score: 1

      The software swap-meets of the 80s will be the "in thing" again!

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  8. Titanium dioxide? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA and TFS both refer to "Titanium oxide" which typically means either TiO or Ti2O3 (Ti in either II or III states). However, both TFS and TFA also assert that the "Titanium oxide" is used in sunscreen and suchlike, which implies it is Titanium dioxide, TiO2 (Ti in IV state), not Titanium oxide.
    Most likely, TFA should have referred to Titanium dioxide, as this is also a semiconductor in crystalline state.

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    1. Re:Titanium dioxide? by NewToNix · · Score: 5, Informative
      A better description is simply 'a Titanium metal oxide' - the phase shift is between Ti3O5 and -Ti3O5. http://www.nature.com/nchem/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nchem.670.html/

      "This is the first demonstration of a photorewritable phenomenon at room temperature in a metal oxide. -Ti3O5 satisfies the operation conditions required for a practical optical storage system (operational temperature, writing data by short wavelength light and the appropriate threshold laser power)."

    2. Re:Titanium dioxide? by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      But I thought titanium dioxide was white?

    3. Re:Titanium dioxide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist.

    4. Re:Titanium dioxide? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      plus it seems to be fragile allowing the discs to degrade, This utterly delights the Media industry as the discs will slowly die giving them another money fountain.

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    5. Re:Titanium dioxide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I thought titanium dioxide was white?

      Racist.

    6. Re:Titanium dioxide? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Titanium dioxide, also known as titanium(IV) oxide or titania, is the naturally occurring oxide of titanium, chemical formula TiO2.

      Any chemical made entirely of titanium and oxygen can be correctly called titanium oxide, dumbass. Yes, titanium dioxide is more specific, but titanium dioxide is just a form of titanium oxide. I could see you correcting the article if they had called it titanium monoxide or dititanium trioxide, but titanium oxide? That's what it is.

      It's no different than iron oxide (which has like, 4 or 5 forms).

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    7. Re:Titanium dioxide? by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      plus it seems to be fragile allowing the discs to degrade, This utterly delights the Media industry as the discs will slowly die giving them another money fountain.

      What, so you think Big Media will allow this tech to exist at all to begin with? 25TB per disc optical storage? I can store 8.5 SOLID YEARS of DVD-quality video on a single disc. That's one disc for every film that's ever played in any theater plus another disc for every episode of every syndicated television show to ever be broadcast on American network television, and then they could fit in the same gem case.

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  9. It's the circle of life by dgr73 · · Score: 1

    Scientists invent new storage format -> New player is created for it -> **IA puts new *UNBREAKABLE* copy protection on it -> Consumers re-buy their movie libraries -> Copy protection gets cracked -> **IA drills disk full of holes to "prevent copying" -> Disks stop working on consumer devices -> Consumers switch to pirate copies -> **IA ask scientists to come up with a new storage format....

  10. Something's not right by yanagasawa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Titanium oxide isn't used for pigments - titanium dioxide is.

    1. Re:Something's not right by delta98 · · Score: 1

      You are correct. I've used it making salad dressings( Ranch for instance).

    2. Re:Something's not right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What difference does one little molecule make?

      Or two letters for that matter.

    3. Re:Something's not right by Khyber · · Score: 1

      The difference between something that's perfectly harmless and something that will cleave DNA.

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    4. Re:Something's not right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its an ionic compound and titanium needs 2 oxygen to bound with, so titanium oxide is titanium dioxide, according to standard chemistry conventions (you only have to specify if its non-ionic, since those can have multiple bondings, eg CO and CO2). Unless they're talking about titanium(II) oxide or something like that, in which case they should have been more specific.

    5. Re:Something's not right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The titanium oxide referenced here is likely neither what you would refer to as titanium oxide nor titanium dioxide. If you read the original paper, the empirical formula is given as Ti3O5.

    6. Re:Something's not right by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Titanium dioxide is a type of titanium oxide, specifically titanium (IV) oxide.

      Titanium monoxide is also a type of titanium oxide.

      Dititanium trioxide is also a type of titanium oxide.

      Seriously, what's with the quibbling over semantics, particularly when you don't understand the terms you are using?

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  11. Light? Daylight will ruin your data? by gb7djk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One wonders how light stable this system will be compared to existing DVD coatings. My suspicions would suggest that it may be worse.

    1. Re:Light? Daylight will ruin your data? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Many Slashdotters would not be afraid to use data storage vulnerable to sunlight.

    2. Re:Light? Daylight will ruin your data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think of it, that must be the perfect storage system for trolls and vampires!

  12. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell are you on about???

  13. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Titanium Oxide is the recent replacement of Aluminum Oxide, used by airplanes around 5000-feet to 10k-feet.

    Wow, that sounds like it's really difficult to swap that out at that altitude. Do they have a youtube video of that, or better yet, a training video? ;-)

  14. FINALLY, the HDDVVDDBVDs I've been waiting for! by karltoncw · · Score: 1

    RVB

  15. 20 years away? by slackarse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buh. After reading about terrabit cube storage in 1994 http://bit.ly/cf4ufr [new scientist], I didn't upgrade my 3.5" floppies for years ... now I'm old, cynical about every article like this and my removable storage devices don't go past 32GB.

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    1. Re:20 years away? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      You could get a USB or eSATA hard drive. That's sort of removable. I mean, it's external and all, but you can disconnect it and move it to another system without opening the case. That's what "removable" really means, not necessarily that it slides into a slot or sits on a tray.

    2. Re:20 years away? by slackarse · · Score: 1

      I could, but I'm old, cynical, stuck in my ways and not upgrading my 32GB USB stick until optical holographic cube discs are available.

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    3. Re:20 years away? by broggyr · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if it's a cube, is it still a disk?

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    4. Re:20 years away? by jabelli · · Score: 1

      Data will stop being stored on "disk" about half a century after people stop "dialing" phone numbers.

    5. Re:20 years away? by mirix · · Score: 1

      The phone on the end of my desk has a dial on it. Even though the old electromechanical switching equipment got kicked out of central offices decades ago, the new electronic switches still support pulse dialing. (The robotic "press 1 for ... " doesn't however).

      I don't think many CDs or CD players will work that long after they're obsoleted, though. The phones from the ma Bell days were built like brick shithouses, because they were leased. You could bludgeon an intruder with one, and you would still be able to call the police afterward.

      There are a bunch of computing anachronisms, I doubt that will change. For example - "core dump", the first one that comes to mind.

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  16. In other news by ProppaT · · Score: 1

    Sony announces technology expo next week for new, even better than Blu-Ray format set for release in 5 years, throwing everyone in limbo wondering if they should stick with DVDs, buy into Blu-Ray and pray for backwards compatibility, or not buy a movie for 5 years. Monster cable to demo new cable technology, provides everyone with magnifying glasses so they can experience the difference.

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    1. Re:In other news by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Sony... MiniDisc, UMD, Memory Stick, Memory Stick derivatives, BetaMax, Hi-8, Digital8 MicroMV, DVCAM, HiFD, Elcaset, Super Audio CD...

      I'd put little stock into a Sony format announcement until I see the specs, the marketing, the cross-licensing, and the support from other vendors.

      They were instrumental in development or support for many successful open standards, like the 3.5" HD floppy, the original music CD, HDV, or compact cassette. However, just as often as supporting the format everyone is using, they try to push out a format they developed that has little or no support from anyone else.

      Developing new, better formats is good. Pushing formats that aren't better just because you want to lock people in or because you're proud of your R&D team sucks. Sony's unfortunately mistaken the latter for the former too often.

    2. Re:In other news by tepples · · Score: 1

      Sony... MiniDisc, UMD, Memory Stick, Memory Stick derivatives, BetaMax, Hi-8, Digital8 MicroMV, DVCAM, HiFD, Elcaset, Super Audio CD...

      MiniDisc found a loyal following among concert tapers, as did Video8 and Video Hi8 among amateur videographers.

      They were instrumental in development or support for many successful open standards, like the 3.5" HD floppy, the original music CD, HDV, or compact cassette.

      That and PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and Blu-ray Disc. But during the analog camcorder era, were Video8 and Video Hi8 really that much of a failure?

      However, just as often as supporting the format everyone is using, they try to push out a format they developed that has little or no support from anyone else.

      How does Sony know whether a format will have little or no support before it tries? What was MiniDisc's fatal flaw that kept it from overtaking Compact Cassette, other than perhaps failure to aggressively cut prices on home decks?

    3. Re:In other news by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      The main problem with Video 8 and Hi8 were vendor tie-in, which can be tolerable when it's not abused if the format really works well for your needs.

      The problems with MiniDisc were numerous. You already mentioned expensive home decks. It was also sometimes difficult to find a car deck, let along an affordable one. The discs themselves were expensive compared to the alternatives within just a few years of their launch. MD Audio and MD Data were mutually incompatible, unlike CD-R. The non-HD original lost audio data unlike DAT (a Sony development itself) and was usually discernibly worse than the PCM-encoded CD version. It wasn't used for the PSP, with the completely incompatible UMD being used rather than MD, mini-CD, or flash. Sony put an audio/data firewall on the original formats so that even if you hooked an external MD Audio recorder to a PC with a data cable, you could only move audio from the PC to the MD and not back again.

      HiMD fixes most of the problems with the original formats, but it has come to the party a bit late. The media is pretty cheap for being a disc-based MO medium that's rerecordable, much cheaper than Zip and comparable to the pure-optical CD-RW. However, the drives are still, even in 2010, quite a bit more expensive even when you can find them.

      Flash, external HDD enclosures, CD-R/RW, HDD docks, and DVD-R/RW have completely eaten MD's lunch by now. It was somewhat promising at one time, but for the price it didn't meet people's needs any better than anything they couldn't get cheaper.

    4. Re:In other news by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      The main problem with Video 8 and Hi8 were vendor tie-in, which can be tolerable when it's not abused if the format really works well for your needs.

      The problems with MiniDisc were numerous. You already mentioned expensive home decks. It was also sometimes difficult to find a car deck, let along an affordable one. The discs themselves were expensive compared to the alternatives within just a few years of their launch. MD Audio and MD Data were mutually incompatible, unlike CD-R. The non-HD original lost audio data unlike DAT (a Sony development itself) and was usually discernibly worse than the PCM-encoded CD version. It wasn't used for the PSP, with the completely incompatible UMD being used rather than MD, mini-CD, or flash. Sony put an audio/data firewall on the original formats so that even if you hooked an external MD Audio recorder to a PC with a data cable, you could only move audio from the PC to the MD and not back again.

      HiMD fixes most of the problems with the original formats, but it has come to the party a bit late. The media is pretty cheap for being a disc-based MO medium that's rerecordable, much cheaper than Zip and comparable to the pure-optical CD-RW. However, the drives are still, even in 2010, quite a bit more expensive even when you can find them.

      Flash, external HDD enclosures, CD-R/RW, HDD docks, and DVD-R/RW have completely eaten MD's lunch by now. It was somewhat promising at one time. For the price it didn't meet people's needs any better than other, often cheaper, options.

  17. One thing missing though: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point.

    Why again do we need another slow optical disc medium? The times of those are clearly over.
    Until that thing comes out, USB sticks are going to be 25 TB too. And much smaller. And not prone to scratching, sunlight, bending, dust, etc. And for everything else there is HDDs/SSDs.

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    1. Re:One thing missing though: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only are the days for optical limited, so are the days for any removable storage. The future is cloud-based.

    2. Re:One thing missing though: by schn · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a bit like bubble memory. Better than existing solutions of its type in its time such as core, but that kind of storage was nearing its end because of hard disks. This time it's optical discs that are getting old, being replaced by cheap flash drives.

    3. Re:One thing missing though: by Starcub · · Score: 1

      Optical media are still much cheaper than flash. This new tech would do two things:
      1. Reduce the cost of the media and,
      2. assuming the laser can switched to scale, increase bandwidth likewise.

      Dailytech ran an article a few days ago that said some researchers used a scanning electron microscope to precisely place dots in a latice at about 4nm a side to create what looked like optically switched transistors. It sounds like these people are using the same tech to create a higher density re-writable disk.

      A 1x DVD drive transfers data at about 10Mb/s, A 1x Blueray drive currently tranfers data at about 36Mb/sec. If they can increase the density 1000x over Blueray, then assuming the transfer rate can be scaled similarly, then theoretically the transfer rate of such a drive would be ~25920Mb/sec or 3200MB/s!

      Of course, the overall storage market will drive when and if this tech becomes available.

    4. Re:One thing missing though: by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Not with the monthly caps pushed by countless ISPs around the world.

      And don't say "switch ISP" because a lot of people don't have any options and before long all ISPs are going to implement caps anyway.

    5. Re:One thing missing though: by daveime · · Score: 1

      Partially condensed water vapour is not actually a good storage medium for digital information.

      All these data centers (the "cloud" as you call it), actually contain lots and lots of servers with, get this, hot-swappable removable storage.

    6. Re:One thing missing though: by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

      Exactly. As another poster noted, when CD-R discs first became available, most hard drives were smaller than 650 megs, so it made sense as a backup medium. Now, the largest commonly available hard drive is 2 terabytes, and backing that up even with Blu-Ray is like backing up a CD-ROM on floppies. In recent years, I've taken to buying hard drives in pairs: one for the working data, and one for the backup. (Yes, I know, but this is adequate for personal use. I'd use RAID arrays in a corporate environment.) All of the traditional backup media lag far behind HDDs in capacity, speed, and reliability.

      Until someone comes up with a cheap, fast storage medium that is at least a substantial fraction of current hard drive sizes, it doesn't much matter.

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    7. Re:One thing missing though: by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Why again do we need another slow optical disc medium?

      Because we currently don't have a removable media that is cheap and large for backup. Blurays are still more expensive then USB HDDs and DVD+R per gigabyte and even if they would be cheap, they just are not large enough to backup even a single partition of your 1TB drive. DVD+R are still the cheapest storage available, but they are so small, that they are just useless for backup.

      So cheap and big would be something new, especially when they manage get anywhere near the 25TB mark. As that's a mark that even HDDs are still far away from getting close to and Flash will have a hard time getting near that as well. They might of course get there one day, but that day might be 10 years off, a time frame in which this new disc type could become ready as well.

    8. Re:One thing missing though: by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

      It's called "an external hard drive". Plug it in via USB. One terabyte of space for a hundred bucks (probably less, now.)

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    9. Re:One thing missing though: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Until that thing comes out, USB sticks are going to be 25 TB too. And much smaller. And not prone to scratching, sunlight, bending, dust, etc. And for everything else there is HDDs/SSDs.

      Until you can produce them for under $0.2 a piece forget about it.

      If I have to distribute 1,000,000 20 MB files to someone else's retail chain (read: physical stores), what media would you choose knowing the consumer already doesn't want to pay what I am charging.

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    10. Re:One thing missing though: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It's called "an external hard drive". Plug it in via USB. One terabyte of space for a hundred bucks (probably less, now.)

      If I have 4 GB to back up, in a proper manner I'd need to buy an A$100 disk each month, as well as at least four disks to cycle and hope that they don't fail whilst sitting around in a cupboard. Because I need several different backup devices to avoid a single point of failure and to provide several historical restore points in case the backup media failed or the file itself was corrupted (I.E. I can go back to before that occurred). Using removable HDD's for backup is not a good option.

      I backup 6 TB at work, using LTO-4 tapes I get between 800 and 1200 GB per tape. A LTO-4 is about A$60-80, A 1 TB hard drive is, if you're lucky A$110. In addition to this a hard drive is a lot easier to render completely inoperable then a tape (hammer some nails into both, you can spool the tape onto another container, what can I do with the HDD)

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  18. Safe... Really? by s31523 · · Score: 1, Informative

    According TFA: "You don't have to worry about procuring rare metals. Titanium oxide is cheap and safe, already being used in many products ranging from face powder to white paint"

    Really? Several articles have linked TiO2 to cancer. Yeah, real safe.

    1. Re:Safe... Really? by Gofyerself · · Score: 1

      Just about everything on earth is unsafe in one form or another. The article you link to mentions "ultrafine titanium dioxide dust", I do not think that titanium oxide in recordable media form is any more of a hazard than it is in sunblock form, unless of course you have a CD huffing problem.

    2. Re:Safe... Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just another reason not to touch the pretty side. I like my storage media with a little fight in it. "Mess with my data, get cancer."

    3. Re:Safe... Really? by milosoftware · · Score: 1

      Well, unless they make that center hole a lot bigger, I won't be rubbing that disc on my skin anywhere. So I'm not really worried.

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    4. Re:Safe... Really? by Variablez · · Score: 1

      First tons of things still call cancer that we actually eat on a daily basis. Two you will be handling maybe to put it in your computer and put it in a case. Honestly are you going to wear the cds a cloth. If not I believe you will be fine. Documented Troll.

    5. Re:Safe... Really? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Actually, we use Titanium Oxide for cleaving DNA all the time in bacterial genome recombination.

      Documented troll, my ass.

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    6. Re:Safe... Really? by Polyphagic · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine it would be a lot more dangerous if it were more readily available. Turns out it might not be so cheap after all. http://preview.tinyurl.com/324dyyg

    7. Re:Safe... Really? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You're making ultra-energy-efficient lights for growing plants indoors?

      SWAT team busting down your office door in 3,2,1...

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    8. Re:Safe... Really? by wolfsdaughter · · Score: 1
      hmmm... well, according to a report from AGC, there is currently a shortage of titanium dioxide

      http://newsletters.agc.org/highway/

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    9. Re:Safe... Really? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Really? Several articles have linked TiO2 to cancer [ccohs.ca]. Yeah, real safe.

      Ahh, so that's why everyone is getting mouth cancer! It's all the TiO2 in every white, opaque toothpaste on the market!

      What's that? Mouth cancer is extremely rare? Not linked at all to TiO2?

      Huh.

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    10. Re:Safe... Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several articles have linked TiO2 to cancer. Yeah, real safe.

      From the link you provided:

      [I]t is important to understand that the IARC conclusions are based on very specific evidence. This evidence showed that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation*. The series of biological events or steps that produce the rat lung cancers (e.g. particle deposition, impaired lung clearance, cell injury, fibrosis, mutations and ultimately cancer) have also been seen in people working in dusty environments.

      If you routinely grind your media into fine dust and inhale it, cancer should be pretty low on your list of "Things to Fear." Somewhat higher should be the fact that you own a grinder. In my opinion, at the top should be the fact that you have a nose.

      Messr. Simon Farfleknotter
      President, American Society of Breathing in a Responsible Manner

    11. Re:Safe... Really? by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      You'll probably never come into contact with the titanium oxide, thanks to the plastic coating that traditionally keeps the data layers more or less protected. Plus, the outgassing from the plastic coating is likely way worse for you anyway.

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    12. Re:Safe... Really? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Not when I'm working on a NASA Life Sciences contract, they're not.

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  19. Cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much are those 25TB USB sticks going to cost you, bearing in mind that 64GB sticks currently retail for the best part of a hundred quid?

    At the moment, CDs and DVDs are still used heavily because they're cheaper for archiving than flash based devices are (and cheaper than BD, at least in the UK), and easier to mass produce with read-only data preinstalled (Films, Games, and Music). If this is really using TiO2, then it's going to be dominant for the same reason DVD's are still dominant today. Cost is King - most of us are just getting by, and can't afford to splash out a few hundred on a whim.

  20. If it isn't fire, it's ice by FreeUser · · Score: 1

    It will never work out. The special effects explosions in action movies are hell on the furniture.

    Worse still were the neighbors complaints after the snow scenes in Lord of the Rings when the Fellowship tried to cross the misty mountains before turning back and heading to Moria. Seems the melt required for the next scene seeped through the floorboards and flooded their flat (and the five floors beneath them). Oh well, still damn good entertainment.

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    1. Re:If it isn't fire, it's ice by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      we could just hire people to come and act out the movie for us.

      It will never work out. The special effects explosions in action movies are hell on the furniture.

      Worse still were the neighbors complaints after the snow scenes

      My dear sirs. If I may raise a point in favour of this new technology:

      Porn.

      That will be all.

  21. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Kilrah_il · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's a "CHEMICAL"! Wow, damn, shit, holy crap, I can't believe it. They actually used a CHEMICAL. Who would have thought.
    You do know that everything in our life is made from CHEMICALS? While you're at it, maybe check out this deadly chemical.

    I just love it when people just use the word "chemical" to scare everyone away. So, where to start? first of all, Morgellon's Disease:

    "Current scientific consensus holds that Morgellons is not a new disorder and is instead a new and misleading name for a well known condition. Most doctors,[2] including dermatologists[3] and psychiatrists,[4] regard Morgellons as a manifestation of known medical conditions, including delusional parasitosis..."

    Yes, the sentence continues to say that some believe it may be a real condition, but the consensus is that it is some sort of Psychiatric condition.
    Regarding Titanium Dioxide health issues - there are studies in animals that it can be carcinogenic if inhaled, and some studies argue that small particles can be absorbed by the skiin, but studies in humans have yet to show a similar effect, though it has been researched. Again, this is all from Wikipedia, this is not my area of expertise - if you have a different (credible) source, I'll be happy to hear about it. Anyhow, I don't think that if it would be part of a CD-like medium it would be toxic, in the same way that asbestos is only dangerous if it is broken and thus small particles are freed into the environment and are inhaled.

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  22. *faints* by Rallias+Ubernerd · · Score: 0

    25 freeking terabytes? 10 of these would store my entire movie and dvd collections! Thats less then my 40,000 DVD's and 80,000 CD's. I'm amazed. How long until this hits the market?

  23. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of all the conspiracy theories this one confuses me the most.

    It displays a fundamental lack of understanding in both physics and meteorology. High altitude chemical spray is quite simply the the worst possible, if not impossible, way to disperse fluids. First off the winds aloft are different at 3K feet. At 10K-30K they are significantly stronger and can be in a different direction than on the group. Plus there the problem that the fluid would likely evaporate before reaching the ground. Another problem is that you couldn't fit enough "product" on a plane to cover any significant area.

    Also the infrastructure required to perform "chemtrails" is insane. It would require the cooperation of at least the following groups of people.

    Aircraft design companies
    Aircraft manufacturing companies
    FAA
    Pilots
    Airline companies
    Airport ground crews
    Chemical design engineers
    Chemical manufacturing companies
    Delivery companies

    Yet somehow all these diverse groups can work together with no leaks or mistakes. I guess what amazes me most is the super human abilities attributed to the government.

  24. Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make storage discs that are *reliable* and I will be a lot more interested. Data loss due to failed optical media must be astronomical based on the lack of long term storage ability.

  25. Prior art on Broadway by tepples · · Score: 1

    With the labor market, we could just hire people to come and act out the movie for us. Call it "RealLife-O-Vision".

    I patented the idea, in case you're wondering.

    But maybe they've got prior art
    On Broadway (On Broadway)

  26. External power supply by tepples · · Score: 1

    You could get a USB or eSATA hard drive. That's sort of removable.

    Something that "slides into a slot or sits on a tray" doesn't need an extra power brick. Nor does a USB flash drive. Many USB or eSATA hard drives, on the other hand...

  27. "Consumers re-buy their movie libraries" by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    I'm not so sure about that step...not next time around.

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    1. Re:"Consumers re-buy their movie libraries" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have *MANY* movies on DVD (900+). I am not replacing many of them. I only watched a few once or twice (probably should sell them or something). There are a 'few' I am replacing on blu but I am very picky about it. At this point in the DVD cycle I had almost 200. Blu-Ray I have maybe 20 and many of those were gifts or 'new' movies. I even have a few VHS still kicking around.

      Once you get to a certain size you also run out of room to put the things. Maybe someday I will rip them all to a hard drive but honestly I rarely watch any of them. It is more of a pain these days than something cool and way past manageable.

      Some people really get into high def. If they can not see the sweat on Arnolds arm pit hairs the movie isnt perfect. They forget to watch the movie and just enjoy it. So there will always be a market for more space. Read somewhere that the current scan process format they are using is something like 8k by 8k. That is something like 3 exabytes of data uncompressed for one standard 120 min movie. Just lossless compressing it they probably are getting something like 40-60 TB for one movie. So until we get to disks that size we will continue to get 'new formats'. Then by then the scan process will probably be 20k by 20k or something.

  28. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    Damn, he said "CHEMTRAIL" not "CHEMICAL". Silly me. Guess I have a knee-jerk reaction to all the tin-foil hat guys.

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  29. Great! Lifelong supply of Pron on one disk! by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Actually several lifetimes worth. One disk that can be passed from generation to generation!

    Seriously, who needs 25TB with a single access channel and a single point of failure?

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  30. Size does NOT matter! Speed does! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    25TB of storage? That is nice - but I do not see a significant need for it. Electromagnetic storage like harddrives come already at 3TB at reasonable prices. Discs scale pretty well. The problem is not the size - it is the transfer speed! jsut calculate how long it takes to fill the current sata 2TB-discs. Multiply with 12 for 25TB then multiply with x for factoring in the slower speed of optical methods.

    This can only become usefull if the data rates between caches and drives increase significantly and this requires some serious tweaking of the physics. A real breakthrough would be a shift towards optical computing but this might still be science fiction for the next decades

  31. esata dock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps the gp meant an esata dock. these allow you to switch out a sata drive in about 2sec, and so you dont need to worry about power, or finding an esata port on your case, keep your dock on your desk, as i do, and you can have a bunch of TB drives in a draw and simply switch them.

    really helps with a lappy which has limited space on the builtin hdd which is also a slow 5400rpm, which is good for power though. when im connected to the dock i have extra esata ports and can copy at ~120meg/s from one esata dock to another, significantly faster than the built in drive or anything over usb2.

    you can also get esata raid racks that will hold multiple drives, ive been wanting to try one out for a while. the combined read speed of a couple of very cheap 1TB drives should break 240meg/sec (raw, together with compression, or sparse/packed data structures things get interesting) and this could make for some very interesting processing of large data sets.

    1. Re:esata dock by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      I meant one of the low-draw ones that work on host power. They're not as common, but they are out there. They tend to work okay so long as you pay attention to the limitations of your USB subsystem.

      A dock fits the bill just as well if not better, though, for a single system. You can have multiple drives you treat like media, and a device per system to host them.

  32. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

    Please send me your name, mailing address, bank routing and account numbers, recent vaccination history, the name of the song stuck in your head (and whether it's the 1983 or 2005 remake), and current GPS coordinates so I can sign up.

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  33. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

    Not to mention the fact that neither titanium oxide nor aluminum oxide are toxic in any way. The former is what makes toothpaste white, the latter are more commonly known as rubies, sapphires, or the abrasive in sandpaper.

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  34. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by jacks0n · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously the government couldn't be behind it, but What about the Boy Sprouts or the Gnomes of Zurich?

  35. Hey slanderous 'TARD, here's the PROOF. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY: It's all done by the letter in the contract, right in front of you, like a felon.

    You appear to be the only troll with the audacity and gall to call me out on this, and the others didn't say anything useful to abate my assertions. This is about the public-disclosed private contract to spray this shit around Los Angeles... Download this file and read about the arial spraying or just go to http://ladpw.org/ and see for yourself.

    http://www.ladpw.org/wrd/cloudseeding/
    cloud_seeding_draft_mnd_final.pdf

    So when does that MODERATOR replace

  36. Rare element in DVD/BRD by mog007 · · Score: 1

    What rare element? I thought that BRDs and DVDs used aluminum, just like CDs did.

  37. imagine by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Just imagine how much p0rn that is,
    and now imagine the world's biggest bottle of jergen's hand lotion they would have to make to accomodate that much p0rn....
    now you know what BIG is.

  38. Re:Titanium Oxide is a CHEMTRAIL airborn dispersan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adding it to the water supply would have been easier, but that method is already monopolized by the flouridation conspiracy.