Slashdot Mirror


USAF Scramjet Hits Mach 6, Sets Record

s122604 writes "The [X-51A Waverider]'s scramjet engine accelerated the vehicle to Mach 6, and it flew autonomously for 200 seconds before losing acceleration. At that point the test was terminated. The Air Force said the previous record for a hypersonic scramjet burn was 12 seconds. Joe Vogel, Boeing's director of hypersonics, said, 'This is a new world record and sets the foundation for several hypersonic applications, including access to space, reconnaissance, strike, global reach and commercial transportation.'"

29 of 326 comments (clear)

  1. Re:Why so short bursts? by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Proof of concept. Scientists can only go so far on theory ( and it's impressive how far they do go ). At some point their research hits a point where they need to perform experiments.

    --
    Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
  2. Re:Why so short bursts? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep in mind that at mach six 200 seconds is 400 kilometers. That's already enough range to make a useful weapon (and yes I realize there was some acceleration time in there). Heck, that's already longer range than the most advanced missiles that many countries have. Increase the stability to just 10 minutes of burn time and you've got a missile that can go 5% of the way around the world.

  3. Waverider by Jeng · · Score: 4, Informative

    So not only does this do Mach 6, but it also uses its own sonic booms to help with propulsion? Or did they just choose Waverider because it sounds neat?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverider

    --
    Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
    1. Re:Waverider by bcmm · · Score: 5, Informative

      So not only does this do Mach 6, but it also uses its own sonic booms to help with propulsion? Or did they just choose Waverider because it sounds neat?

      It uses it's own shockwave for lift, not propulsion. This does, however, help it go faster, by eliminating the drag that adding wings would cause.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    2. Re:Waverider by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Funny

      They chose waverider since the US army sided with the autobot scum back in the 80s.

  4. Re:Uh hu by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Commercial applications do usually follow. Whether or not you agree with it, military research has led to an enormous number of scientific advances that were initially used by the military but later disseminated more broadly. Jet engines, the Internet, cryptography, GPS, nuclear reactors, etc. Mach 6 might be inefficient overkill for Earth-side transportation, but it may provide a viable means of launching spaceflights one day.

    --
    $_ = "wftedskaebjgdpjgidbsmnjgcdwatb"; tr/a-z/oh, turtleneck Phrase Jar!/; print
  5. Mach 5 - Not Mach 6 by Maddog+Batty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Boeing announcement here:
    http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1227

    "In its first flight attempt, the Boeing [NYSE: BA] X-51A WaveRider today successfully completed the longest supersonic combustion ramjet-powered flight in history -- nearly three and a half minutes at a top speed of Mach 5."

    My understanding is that it didn't reach the 300 seconds Mach 6 burn it was hoping for. 200 seconds and Mach 5 isn't all that bad though...

    More here:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/27/x51_first_shot/

    --
    wot no sig
  6. Re:Why so short bursts? by shadow349 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are these engines so early in development that they really can't get them to be stable and safe for more than 12 seconds?

    Are you talking about the scramjet or the events at Kitty Hawk in 1903?

    Because Wilbur already had the first chance, Orville took his turn at the controls. His first flight lasted 12 seconds for a total distance of 120 feet (36.5 m) - shorter than the wingspan of a Boeing 707.

  7. Jet - Scramjet - And Questions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    • Jet engines still have propellers to compress air, into which the propellant is injected where this mixture then ignites.
    • Scramjets just use their immense speeds to do the compression with a funnel, but that also means they need more conventional means to reach these high speeds (such as getting a ride on a B52 plus gravity)

    Questions

    • What is the fuel efficiency per kilometer traveled?
    • Can a scramjet reach escape velocity, or get close enough so that additional oxygen for the fuel doesn't make up more than half the payload?
    • Did they find a new way to lose heat at supersonic speeds? Otherwise these rides will remain short ones.
    1. Re:Jet - Scramjet - And Questions! by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Interesting
      With regards to question 3, they have developed some pretty tricky ways to help cool the engines and the body of the vehicle. For instance, they cool the engines by circulating the JP-7 fuel through the body to absorb some of the heat to help bring it to the combustion point. This is very similar to how rocket nozzles are currently cooled to slow melting/failure:

      The scramjet will circulate the fuel behind engine walls to cool the structures. Without such active cooling, the temperatures in a scramjet could reach 5,000 deg. Fahrenheit, high enough to melt virtually any metal on Earth. Solving the cooling challenge is a major AFRL/Pratt & Whitney achievement.

      Source

      My wager is that the entire vehicle took thermal control into its design considerations and it uses a combination of geometry, aerodynamics, and fuel management to help sink heat at an appropriately high rate to prevent too much for a build up. However, since I don't have the design specs, and I doubt anyone outside of the military will, for awhile at least, I can only speculate. You also have to understand that at those speeds, your gas dynamics become a problem of rarified gasses and heat management becomes a very tricky problem indeed, one that can't be approached by traditional cooling means. So in summation I would guess yes, they have probably found some very cool new ways to sink heat at hypersonic speeds.

    2. Re:Jet - Scramjet - And Questions! by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      Atmosphere isn't just compression, it's reaction mass. The compression creates the conditions for acceleration when the fuel is burned, but it's heating of the compressed air that causes the high force that accelerates the air backwards, accelerating the vehicle forwards.

      You can bring your own oxygen, but it's just going to make a pretty flame coming out both sides of the combustion chamber unless there's mass flowing into the inlet and being pushed out through the nozzle.

      I said this above already, but what you do here is you use a first-stage rocket motor to get up to scram-jetting speeds. Then the second-stage motor gets you to a certain point in the atmosphere where it loses thrust. Then you light your third stage.

      This makes sense only if the specific impulse (look it up) from the scramjet exceeds that from a rocket motor, or it's ridiculously cheap and still gets the job done. I'm guessing it's not ridiculously cheap. But given that you don't have to bring the reaction mass for the scramjet with you, it might be more efficient than a rocket of the same mass. Meaning you can omit a heavy rocket motor and use a lighter scramjet and put the saved mass into the payload.

  8. Re:Interesting... by joggle · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the article there's three more vehicles which will be tested in the fall.

  9. Re:Interesting... by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Scramjets aren't exactly easy to test in the lab.

    Hell, even normal jet engines are tough to test. Have you seen the equipment used to keep those things stationary while testing them? Holy fuck .

  10. Re:Uh hu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fine. Except for jet engines, the Internet, cryptography, GPS, and nuclear reactors what has the military done for us?

  11. Re:Still a long way to orbit by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No it isn't. Mach is the speed sound travels in a medium (the atmosphere). As there is no atmosphere in orbit, you can't associate a mach speed value to orbital velocities.

    --
    -SaNo
  12. Re:Uh hu by Pojut · · Score: 4, Funny

    Little plastic Army Men

  13. Re:Why so short bursts? by ckaminski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except they're not recovering these vehicles for analysis.

  14. Re:Why so short bursts? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not only that, but you can't always be sure which part is the weak link, what will break. A few tests at hypersonic is guaranteed to make an engineer say "ok, that's an issue we weren't aware of", and confirm much of what they already knew. They may have to make some part that they *thought* would be ok out of a different, stronger alloy, etc. Of course, at this speed, every tiny error in engineering is amplified, as at Mach 6, you cross a lot of real estate in just a few seconds, so the word "precision" doesn't adequately describe the level of perfection required in the test system build.

    Being a pioneer at anything guarantees surprises, and best of all, learning new things.

    --
    Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
  15. Amazing by maillemaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amazing to me that they can make a machine who's parts are GLOWING they are so hot and the metal still functions without failing.

    --
    A work that expires before its copyright never enters the public domain and thus enjoys eternal copyright protection.
    1. Re:Amazing by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Like incandescent light bulbs?

      --
      Go green: turn off your refrigerator.
  16. Re:For those of you who don't know how fast Mach 6 by vlueboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mac 5 melts aluminum steadily
    Mac 6 melts steel

    And don't forget that keeping this friction heat down also requires a good deal of power.

  17. Didn't hit mach 6, just mach 5! by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hello,

        The story is in error. Per this link, the plane only hit Mach 5, not Mach 6. This is still a pretty successful test, however.
    Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37377401/ns/technology_and_science-space/

    --PeterM

  18. Re:Uh hu by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Radial Engines, Kevlar, Ceramic Technologies, Radar, Microwaves, Food Preservation, Someone else keep this going.

    --
    Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
  19. Re:Interesting... by phoenixwade · · Score: 4, Informative

    Others have expressed the detail, so I won't be redundant, but the J58 is on the extreme end of Jet technology even today, and that was the point of my analogy. Those airliner engines you mention produce more thrust and are more economical to operate and to maintain, by a very healthy margin. However, they are only good up to about 500 kts or so, as opposed to the 2000+ kts the J58 is capable of. Nor will they function at all about 60000 feet, whereas the j58 will at full or nearly full thrust. So, in comparison, modern airline engines of which you speak are not in the same class of tech, nor would you expect them to be, since their purposes are far different. On a side note; it's note related to the tech of the engines themselves, of course, but those airline engines also will never push as pretty an airframe through the air, wich disqualifies them on the asthetic front too.... {smile}

    --
    A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
  20. Re:For those of you who don't know how fast Mach 6 by JMZero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even at Mach 3, you want a layer of foam to avoid burning.

    --
    Let's not stir that bag of worms...
  21. Glowing metal = black body radiation by spineboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The temperature of objects produces (from what i recall of physics) black body radiation - meaning it produces light wavelengths. Just because we associate melted iron being red hot, doesn't mean other metals melt when they start to glow. It just means they are hot enough to produce enough black body radiation that we can see. Look at mercury for example as an opposite.

    --
    ..........FULL STOP.
  22. Re:Interesting... by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you misunderstand his point (or perhaps I am giving him too much credit for asking a really good question). Mach speeds are a ratio of the speed of the aircraft to the speed of sound. Mach 6 therefore means "six times the speed of sound". OK, nothing difficult there; most people here probably knew that already. Here's the rub: what is the speed of sound? Hint: it's not the same at sea level and at the 0.1Mm you mention, because the speed of sound varies with the density of the atmosphere. In other words, Mach 6 at sea level (~4500 mph) is not the same speed as Mach 6 at, say, 100,000 feet above sea level (~4100 mph).

    --
    MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
  23. in the fall? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    you mean in the autumn?

    or in the spectacular screaming descent towards land?

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  24. Re:Why so short bursts? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's all part of the Prompt Global Strike program. Eventually the goal is to have scramjet powered missiles with a range of 12000+ miles. Allowing you to fire an obviously non-nuclear missile from Kansas to North Korea and have it hit the target in less than 3 hours. Basically, even launching a B2 for a direct strike takes days or weeks. Refueling planes need to be put into the air, mission plans drawn up, clearance over foreign airspace cleared, pilots briefed, etc. They want to be able to say "Fire" and have the missile in the air within minutes and at target within hours; with the added benefit of not putting any American lives in harms way.