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US Navy Considering Wii Fit and DDR For Boot Camp

almehdaaol writes "New military recruits are coming in physically heavier and out of shape, so the US Navy has decided to take an interesting course of action by creating a new training regimen inspired by the fitness-centric Wii Fit and Dance Dance Revolution." This comes alongside a report confirming some of the BS we told our parents when we were growing up: "Bavelier said playing the kill-or-be-killed games can improve peripheral vision and the ability to see objects at dusk, and the games can even be used to treat amblyopia, or lazy eye, a disorder characterized by indistinct vision in one eye. She said she believes the games can improve math performance and other brain tasks."

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  1. Might work by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering that so many young Americans are obese that it's affected our military's ability to recruit, I'd say just about anything may be worth a try.

    Fatness in the US has become a threat to national security.

    At least with the end of Don't Ask/Don't Tell we might have a better chance of having physically fit people enlist.

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    1. Re:Might work by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Dietary issues are also the biggest killer in the States right now. More than smoking or driving. Definately more than homicide.

    2. Re:Might work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one of the Wii Fit games is to hold a plank until the board detects that you've thrown up on it, then I'm all right with this.

    3. Re:Might work by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Considering that so many young Americans are obese that it's affected our military's ability to recruit"

      [Citation needed]

      Seriously, where are you hearing this? Furthermore, the ability to recruit might have a lot to do with being sent to Iraq the second you're out of basic.

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    4. Re:Might work by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      Or Afghanistan, where my brother was set to deploy immediately after AIT.

    5. Re:Might work by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering that so many young Americans are obese that it's affected our military's ability to recruit

      [Citation needed]

      Seriously, where are you hearing this? Furthermore, the ability to recruit might have a lot to do with being sent to Iraq the second you're out of basic.

      Citation here, at cnn.com.

      Also, it is highly unlikely that a recruit from any branch will see combat directly out of basic training. New members need technical or advanced training. This is the link for Air Force training, since that is the branch in which I served.

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    6. Re:Might work by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Thank you, Snowman.

      It takes a real mensch to step up and provide a citation to back up somebody else's assertion.

      I wasn't trying to troll or flame when I made the original comment about the military being concerned about the fitness level of recruits and potential recruits. I've got the absolute highest regard for anyone who has served, or who chooses to serve today.

      My dad was in the Army in WWII and fought in the China-Burma Theater. When I hit 18 during the waning years of the Viet Nam conflict, he actually dissuaded me from joining. I had gotten a very high draft lottery number and wasn't going to get drafted, but he found out I'd talked to a recruiter and hit the ceiling. By then, he'd realized that the war in Southeast Asia was nothing like the war he fought in, and anyway, I was on my way to becoming the first child of my family of working-class Italian immigrants to go to college, which was a huge deal for him.

      On this Memorial Day, like every Memorial Day, I'll go visit his grave and put a flag on it. I might be a Lefty hippie scum, but I know enough to honor people who have served. When I think about the education I got and the advanced degrees, it's hard for me to forget that there's a good chance somebody went to 'Nam in my place. It's a sobering reminder, and it's why with all the smack-talking and snark I lay out, I never, ever disparage anybody for serving.

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    7. Re:Might work by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honor the people, not the fact that they have served. It was another world, another time when you father fought. How many people go into service today because it is their only chance to get a decent education, to get out of the social environment they grew up in? This doesn't diminish their choice, but it has to be kept in mind. Honor them for the price they are willing to pay for that.

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    8. Re:Might work by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 1

      Obesity is not just an American problem, and if it really is a threat can be debated. It's also a British issue, a Canadian issue, etc. We might be the highest right now, but that could change - (we're just a little ahead of you guys :p).

      Self-righteousness and health related attempts to control other peoples lives, that's a world wide epidemic with far scarier consequences than obesity.

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    9. Re:Might work by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How many people go into service today because it is their only chance to get a decent education, to get out of the social environment they grew up in?

      You ask the question as if you know the answer.

      Tell us, "how many"?

      I can help you a bit. The answer is "Not as many as you think". Yours is a very common misconception about people who enlist in today's military. A surprisingly large majority of them are enlisting for the same reason people did so in 1941. And by the way, most of the "greatest generation" who fought in WWII were drafted.

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    10. Re:Might work by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      hen I think about the education I got and the advanced degrees, it's hard for me to forget that there's a good chance somebody went to 'Nam in my place. It's a sobering reminder, and it's why with all the smack-talking and snark I lay out, I never, ever disparage anybody for serving.

      I'm not here to attack anyone for their lifestyle choice right now, but I want to provide you some food for thought: all those kids who joined up to get their G.I. Bill contributed to the size of our standing military and made it possible for us to illegally project power all over the globe. When the bulk of your country's military actions since its conception have been for purely economic reasons, and you join that country's military, you're signing up to be a corporate soldier, a tool of capitalism. And frankly, you are as much to blame for signing up to follow illegal orders (any order in support of an illegal action is itself illegal) and then following them as those who give them.

      If there were a threat to this nation that required me to serve, I would do so. That's not what this is about. This is about "soldier" not being a fit career for a modern human. The more people that sign up for such a job, the more war we will have. I don't imagine that you can answer threats of violence with polemics, but the size of (and consequent spending on) our military is ridiculous. Current and past military spending (think pensions) is over 50% of the national budget — only disingenuous budgetary comparisons which lump military health care and pensions in with social services state otherwise. We are not just a nation at war, we are a nation of war, and nothing will convince me otherwise save for military spending dropping to a minor line item on the budget. This is, after all, a capitalist society which measures everything monetarily.

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    11. Re:Might work by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      When the bulk of your country's military actions since its conception have been for purely economic reasons, and you join that country's military, you're signing up to be a corporate soldier, a tool of capitalism. And frankly, you are as much to blame for signing up to follow illegal orders (any order in support of an illegal action is itself illegal) and then following them as those who give them.

      I disagree that the bulk of the military's actions are economically motivated, but certainly the bulk of the actions since World War 2.

      Incidentally, the opinion you mention here is very similar to my own, and the driving factor to my separation from the Air Force. I don't see how fighting in Iraq is "defending our country," so I got out. That is a simplification: there is more to it than that, but that was the core of my belief.

      One thing I don't like is blind nationalism, especially in our military. Look around at all the "support our troops" stickers on cars. What does anyone do to support them? Do people stop and think what they are doing and why? Do people realize that Congress voted to allow the President to send real, living people to the other side of the planet to kill people? Do people understand those are real bullets, people are dying every day, and that every known reason for doing this has been proven to be a lie?

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    12. Re:Might work by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      One thing I don't like is blind nationalism, especially in our military. Look around at all the "support our troops" stickers on cars. What does anyone do to support them? Do people stop and think what they are doing and why? Do people realize that Congress voted to allow the President to send real, living people to the other side of the planet to kill people? Do people understand those are real bullets, people are dying every day, and that every known reason for doing this has been proven to be a lie?

      Rage Against the Machine has a great song about this. If you don't like the style you can still read the lyrics :) I've been imagining tee shirt designs involving the phrase "A Yellow Ribbon Instead Of A Swastika" ... maybe written in yellow ribbon? Anyway.

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    13. Re:Might work by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      When the bulk of your country's military actions since its conception have been for purely economic reasons, and you join that country's military, you're signing up to be a corporate soldier, a tool of capitalism. And frankly, you are as much to blame for signing up to follow illegal orders (any order in support of an illegal action is itself illegal) and then following them as those who give them.

      Bullshit. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. I'm a leftist hippie european and there are a lot of things I dislike about the US, but to blame the soldiers for the wars is beyond ridiculous.

      Congress determines the military budget. Congress has the power to declare war. You elect congress.

      If there is to be blame, then let it fall squarely where it belongs, the electorate of the United States of America. You choose to elect based on truck ownership, christianity, white teeth and perfect hair. You gobble up whatever the corporate mouthpieces feed you. You get the leadership you deserve.

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  2. That BS by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This comes alongside a report confirming some of the BS we told our parents when we were growing up

    Be that as it may, your parents were still right about exercise, fresh air, and socialization.

    1. Re:That BS by masmullin · · Score: 1

      No they weren't *shot from inhaler* shut up
      nomm nomm nomm... good cheetos!

      Ack... my left arm hurts! I'd get help if I had friends.

    2. Re:That BS by davester666 · · Score: 1

      The US could do the 'citizen' thing, where if you do a 4 year [or whatever] stint in the military, you get to be immigrate... I'm sure lots of Mexican's would take them up on it, and as a bonus, they already have experience with weapons!

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    3. Re:That BS by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Actually, they may be able to. Way back in the Air Force, our basic training squadron had 3 "foreign nationals"...one Filipino, one from South America, and one from Norway or somewhere like that. I was quite surprised, I had no idea at the time.

      I think the rule was more or less, as long as we had good relations w/ a country, and the person had no criminal record, we'd let them join our military.

      After their stint, I think their citizenship could be fast-tracked. I read somewhere that lots of Filipino's did exactly that...they joined the navy then eventually settled in the US.

      sr

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    4. Re:That BS by kumanopuusan · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not quite the case.
      Legal U.S. residents (including citizens and foreign nationals with resident status) can enlist.
      Only citizens can be commissioned as officers.

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  3. Seriously? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

    There goes our military.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll see what happens at real training units. I went through army basic last year. Technically the drill sergeants weren't even supposed to curse at us. Back in reality, I was lucky to get through it without any broken bones or serious frostbite. They had just about all seen combat, and (thank god) would never let regulations like that prevent soldiers from be trained properly. Granted, it was the army and a combat mos at that. I can't really say how the Navy works.

    2. Re:Seriously? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You kidding? Those guys will be able to make every step in the right direction.

    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope -- the volume on the Village People expansion pack is way too loud.

      Jokes aside, it's a great idea IMHO.

    4. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the Navy is doing Dance Dance Revolution for Boot Camp? Have they not been hearing the jokes about themselves?

      Apparently not. They've licensed a selection of Village People songs for use with DDR.

    5. Re:Seriously? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      A custom version of DDR... loaded with the Village People /juvenile

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    6. Re:Seriously? by Dewin · · Score: 1

      Yes, and this is the song they want you to be good at.

      Your C.O. will be Captain Jack.

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    7. Re:Seriously? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      You kidding? Those guys will be able to make every step in the right direction.

      Left, right, left, right, up, down, left, up, up, down, left, right, left, right.

    8. Re:Seriously? by Spatial · · Score: 1

      Wheezing in the right direction, at least.

    9. Re:Seriously? by Voyager529 · · Score: 2, Informative

      *sigh* up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start.

      DDR *is* made by Konami, after all.

    10. Re:Seriously? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Your C.O. will be Captain Jack.

      If they wanted the C.O. to be Captain Jack, I think that this is the song that they'd be more concerned with.

      Then again, that just might represent a conflict of interest.

    11. Re:Seriously? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Surely soldiers should start with left, right. I didn't try to figure out what that would look like on the parade ground.

    12. Re:Seriously? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Sad state of affairs if this is not remembered as prime reference for Captain Jack. Billy Joel is more on topic than the above links anyway.

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    13. Re:Seriously? by Yamata+no+Orochi · · Score: 0

      More specifically, left, right, left. The military step.

      After you get that down, however, you can advance to the patented "Left, go right, go pick up the step, go left, go right, go left," maneuver.

  4. Of course by spartacus_prime · · Score: 1

    Your tax dollars at work.

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    1. Re:Of course by skine · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently the state of gaming on Macs is so bad that the government has to step in.

  5. I will be... by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 2, Funny

    Between my high scores on Paranoia: Survivor and Territories on Zanzibar, I will be the greatest soldier America has ever seen!

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    1. Re:I will be... by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Meh, I just stepped up to Monarch level in Civ IV. Got a place with the Joint Chiefs for me?

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  6. Vision by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This came up about a week ago. My girlfriend does play Wii Fit and Super Mario Bros 3 on the NES from time to time, but she's never been what most would consider a hardcore gamer. I wouldn't consider myself hardcore anymore, but I definately was no more than a year ago. I've always been very heavy on first person shooters. Counter-Strike and Halo and the likes.

    Anyways, so we were walking home from a party, outside campfire type thing. We walked past a church, and I noticed the sign said something a little funny, like "Monday 8:00 Weekly I hate my job session", and I laughed. She asked what was funny and I pointed out the sign. And she said "I can't read it, its too dark" which kind of struck me as odd. I mean I knew that people have trouble at certain lengths, depth perception can be affected by many things, but I had just kind of assumed everyone could see just as well in the dark.

    I wonder now if its because of all those night missions during Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon?

    Though I'm open to the counter claim that perhaps my eyes had adjusted quicker than hers, or perhaps my eyes are just naturally better in the dark, or some other factor. I mean, I've also spent a lot more time with a computer in a dark room, so maybe that has an affect.

  7. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Push-ups and Running stopped working??

  8. Endurance is more than physical ability by ShadowWraith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the article: "...newcomers to the military service build up the endurance they need to get in shape safely." Allowing trainees to play games to get in shape goes against almost everything the military is supposed to teach soldiers. Soldiers are expected to spends weeks or months in the field where there might not be electricity and clean water, forget entertainment electronic. Soldiers should learn to rough it and exercise even when it's difficult or boring. If the new recruits cannot take the standard training, perhaps there should be a "pre-boot camp", but to allow them to play games? Insane.

    1. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      The military is not exactly in a position were it can pick and choose who it lets in, they have to pretty much take all comers at this point. They could raise pay, offer better hours, or anything else but this is probably the cheapest option

    2. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      I'd have thought the cheapest option would be to make gym teachers do their job better, and not cut recess from elementary schools. Frankly, kids probably need recess time straight through high school -- 45 minutes of being out doors and actually doing something other than sitting in a chair. Using video games to trick kids who got fat from playing video games and eating tubes of cookie dough until they started to resemble it is just sort of ridiculous. Increase physical activity and I guarantee you we'd see less "ADD", too.

    3. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Soldiers are expected to spends weeks or months in the field where there might not be electricity and clean water, forget entertainment electronic. Soldiers should learn to rough it and exercise even when it's difficult or boring.

      Games will be fun until you're forced to play DDR for 2 hours a day constantly.

      At that point it turns into "FUCK! I DON'T WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE DDR. GIVE ME MY 50 POUND PACK. I'M GOING TO CLIMB THE FUCKING MOUNTAIN. SIR!."

    4. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I fail to see why the needs of the military would have anything to do with gym in school, seems like externalizing costs. Recess in highschool would only lead to more problems and fighting.

      I also think most ADD is just kids being kids. Unless you take them for a 10 mile hike a 10 year old is a hyper little idiot, that is just his natural state.

    5. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The military is not exactly in a position were it can pick and choose who it lets in, they have to pretty much take all comers at this point.

      That's a pretty sad commentary on the state of the average American citizen.

    6. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      Or more relaxed students and getting along, but hey, feel free to assume all youth is violence oriented.

    7. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Because it's not about the military's needs, its about public health, health care costs, quality of life, etc. Being fit for duty is only one side effect.

      If we still had mandatory conscription in this country, like pretty much everywhere else in the civilized world, we probably wouldn't have as many of the health problems that we have.

      Increasing physical activity for kids really just makes sense on so many levels.

    8. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually in this economy, you're wrong. Go talk to a recruiter and ask them how much easier their job has become.

    9. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Stupid+McStupidson · · Score: 1

      If the new recruits cannot take the standard training, perhaps there should be a "pre-boot camp", but to allow them to play games? Insane.

      There is a such thing....if you can't pass a preliminary Physical Fitness Test done during the induction phase (paperwork, uni's, haircut) you are sent to the Physical Fitness Improvement Company for 2-3 weeks. The test itself is much less stringent than the official test by a good margin. If the "Fat Ass Company" as it was called didn't have you passing the shortened test at the conclusion, you repeated it. Again and again until you passed. And then you started the real basic training. The really cruel ball-buster was if you failed the real PT test at the end of basic....you were sent to the Fat-Ass Company for several weeks, and then had to repeat the entirety of Basic Training again. And no, I didn't have to do those things, but it was instilled on you when you first arrived that was the fate that awaited you. There were a bunch of nervous fat kids. That was 20 years ago though, I'm sure it's changed somewhat. And also considering the recruiting problems over the last few years, I'm sure it's been altered.Standards are usually lowered in a pinch like that.

    10. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Do you really think those on the left would allow the Department of Education to be re-chartered under the premise of national defense?

      Likewise, do you really think those on the right, who want to kill the Department of Education, would want it to receive new justification under the premise of national defense?

      While I think that's the most-likely constitutional justification for having Federal oversight into local schools, this isn't the time that anything with that motivation will occur.

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    11. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more a sad commentary on the decisions of the Bush administration. It's one thing to defend your country from attack. It's another thing to voluntarily join your military to invade and occupy a third party.

      Iraq, the Big Distraction, hurt the legitimate war more than anything else.

    12. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by TOGSolid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I remember when I was dropped into medical hold (yay for burst appendixes) during Air Force basic training. There were a couple of heavy guys there that were basically told "get in shape, or we'll keep recycling your ass." This was back around 2002, so they're still big on recycling the overweight people through basic as much as possible until they drop the weight. So on that note, I'm confused. Is there something wrong with this system? IMO that's pretty damned good motivation to get in shape and in a hurry. The Navy shouldn't be coddling these fatassed kids like this.

    13. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the new recruits cannot take the standard training, perhaps there should be a "pre-boot camp", but to allow them to play games? Insane.

      Why?

      First of all, your whole point about "pre-boot camp" doesn't make sense. Bootcamp is what is supposed to ready people for their military career, so whatever is necessary to reach that goal is by definition appropriate for bootcamp.

      Second, when somebody is badly out of shape, you cannot expect them to do the kind of thing they'll do later on yet. Like it or not, you've got to work with what you've got, and when all you've got is fat, out-of-shape people, you gotta deal with that. Do something that will actually improve their fitness.

      Third, there's nothing wrong with games per se.

      Fourth, quite the opposite, one of the key points of ANY kind of training is to motivate people; this goes for students and employees just as much as for (prospective) soldiers. Of course these people will be in adverse situations in the future, and of you course you gotta prepare them for THAT, too, both physically and psychologically. But that doesn't mean that that's all there is to training. Basic "getting into shape" is also important, and again, so's motivation.

      Fifth, do you honestly believe that any of these people believe that the rest of their careers as soldiers will literally be spent playing DDR and Wii Fit? Not even the dumbest recruit would be THAT stupid, so it's a non-argument.

      To sum it up - you can't just go the full monty and expect it to work. You need to build people up, and that journey starts with a first step. Like it or not, that's the way reality works.

    14. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Jubedgy · · Score: 1

      Have you been through bootcamp? Fortunately I was one of the last few to go through REAL navy basic back at the turn of the century, before these new-fangled barracks popped up and this new battle stations building thingamajig came out.

      I also had the good fortune of being a member of the last REAL plebe summer at the US Naval Academy before they put air conditioning in Bancroft Hall (WTF?!!!).

      In basic we did a little PT, a bit more marching. It was enough to get through the physical tests...especially since the policy then was that every attempt counted (talking about push-ups and sit-ups). We also got beat down by the RDCs (think drill sergeants) quite a bit. That probably helped the most.

      Plebe summer was 5 days a week of 90 minutes of PT at 5 in the morning which, as a skinny, out of shape 20-something, destroyed me every time. But damned if it didn't get me in shape. Add in another 6 days of whatever sport we chose in the afternoon for a few hours and chopping all around the hallway (knees up and moving at a rapid pace) and that really helped strength and endurance.

      Really, emulating the video workouts on something like the P90X routine (which quite a few formerly fatty friends swear by) would be much, much more beneficial than doing DDR for an hour.

      Motivation in the situation we're talking about (basic training) is effectively provided externally, believe it or not. Those that can't deal with it should be shown the door after given a few weeks to acclimate to how much life sucks during these times...not everyone is cut out for military service, and part of boot camp is identifying those people and weeding them out. There's nothing wrong with that.

      "Fifth, do you honestly believe that any of these people believe that the rest of their careers as soldiers will literally be spent playing DDR and Wii Fit? Not even the dumbest recruit would be THAT stupid, so it's a non-argument."

      Yes, absolutely there are. I know and have worked with people that stupid. They tend to work the hardest and have the best attitude, though. Regardless, it is actually a fair argument to make. Seriously, not joking.

      "To sum it up - you can't just go the full monty and expect it to work. You need to build people up, and that journey starts with a first step. Like it or not, that's the way reality works."

      The first step of the journey is breaking them down. The arrival by bus and immediate searching of all luggage by the MAs, spending the night getting in-processed, hair buzzed, everything issued, taking a short nap sitting cross-legged on the floor with your head on your sea-bag in front of you, getting up before dawn and marching all over the place...I could go on and on. Those are immediate interruptions of your prior routine. It shocks the body and the mind and makes you pliable for a short period as well as teaching you to work with, essentially, strangers as you all cope with this new, terrible, de-spiriting new turn all your lives have taken. It provides a common low point for everyone to look back on and say "well, as terrible as things seem right now, at least I'm not back in boot camp".

      Personally, I think the change would be ridiculous. But as long as new sailors are produced that'll have the mental and physical strength to literally drag me out of a burning compartment or jump in rapidly rising water to help slap on a band-it kit or whatnot, and will be able to sit at their panels and do their jobs when being chased down by a torpedo or during a jam dive or some other doomsday scenario then that's all I really care about. I don't see learning to be brave by playing DDR.

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    15. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by sjames · · Score: 1

      The NAVY doesn't spend much time out in fields!

    16. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we still had mandatory conscription in this country, like pretty much everywhere else in the civilized world

      That's not really true, while quite a few countries in the civilised world do, there are quite a few that don't like the UK, Australia, New Zealand, France, etc. Just how many civilised countries do and don't depends on how you define civilised, but you can check out the list on Wikipedia

    17. Re:Endurance is more than physical ability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not a game for the navy. A properly wielded wii stick thingy will tone those swab swinging muscles to perfection. Nobody takes pride in their sparkly decks like our boys in the bell-bottoms.

  9. No more don't ask don't tell then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, now that is a reversal of policy. Going from "Don't ask don't tell" to "now, with extra-gay training regimen!"

    1. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you not notice this is the Navy?

    2. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not sure the army is much better.

    3. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by feepness · · Score: 1

      Did you not notice this is the Navy?

      They finally figured out being involved in a land war in Asia was a military blunder so they're changing it to a sea war.

    4. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      There's no need to feel down!

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    5. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      They are just learning from Sparta...

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    6. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a DDR version of In the Navy.

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    7. Re:No more don't ask don't tell then? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Never Again Volunteer Yourself (NAVY) or, if you prefer, My Ass Rides in Navy Equipment (MARINE)

  10. Seriously? by OrwellianLurker · · Score: 1

    Now the Navy is doing Dance Dance Revolution for Boot Camp? Have they not been hearing the jokes about themselves?

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    'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.' - Mao Tse-tung
  11. They should be concerned about wii fit accidents by Rotten · · Score: 1

    specially accidents like this one: http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/videogames/2010/04/14/13582661.html

  12. What will the Marines play? by nsaspook · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:What will the Marines play? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hcElGydzb8

    2. Re:What will the Marines play? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.

      Jake 2.0 reference? I def miss that show...

    3. Re:What will the Marines play? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      >>In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.

      >Jake 2.0 reference? I def miss that show...

      NSA. Really.

      At least since the 70's, probably earlier.

      sr

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    4. Re:What will the Marines play? by nsaspook · · Score: 1

      >>In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.

      >Jake 2.0 reference? I def miss that show...

      NSA. Really.

      At least since the 70's, probably earlier.

      sr

      Jake 2.0? Had to look that up.

      http://themanagementexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/in_god_we_trust.jpg

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      In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
    5. Re:What will the Marines play? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ah. Didn't realize that Jake 2.0 was a show *about* the NSA. Never saw it, thought it was about something totally different.

      Still...it's tv drama...prolly the most accurate thing in it is the acronym.

      Cool patch. USAFSS myself. "Audio Sed Taceo".

      sr

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  13. Lost 8kg with DDR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like DDR. It's very addictive. My weight dropped from 81kg to 73kg without changing my eating habits (I eat lots of sweets and chocolate; my weight should be around 68kg with my 175cm height, I think). Also got leg muscles and better stamina.

    Well, it sucks to be a beginner on DDR. Everyone probably looks like a jerk, when missing the arrows. But it gets better with time. There are very few people who can master the hardest songs, but even when I fail to finish a song, it's still fun.

    1. Re:Lost 8kg with DDR by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      One of my friends is an overweight girl with DDs, and she is terrifyingly good at even the hardest of DDR songs/difficulty settings.

      Terrifyingly.

    2. Re:Lost 8kg with DDR by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      I also lost a ton of weight through DDR.

      I was so addicted to that game several years back. I built my own professional grade pad and everything to work with Stepmania. Starting to put on the pounds again.. Think it's time to pull out that pad and fix it up again.

  14. IN THE NAVY by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    Clearly the use of the Wii is meant to strengthen the arm muscles and thus reduce the amount of limp wrists in the Navy.

    1. Re:IN THE NAVY by RicktheBrick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was in the navy for 20 years. I retired in 1997. I know how much training the Navy gave during boot camp. There were some that went to the fleet straight after boot camp but the majority went on to another school before going to the fleet. I myself spent almost 2 years in schools before going to the fleet. I soon found out that what the schools taught you were relevant in only about 20% of what was expected of you. The most important job was to keep the ship clean and well painted. The second most important job was to keep the top officers happy. This included when to salute and when to give honors to those officers. Several times I went to firing ranges to shoot the 45 pistol. Even after getting 10 practice shots and than not changing the target I failed to hit the target enough times to pass. I was never given very much training on how to shoot the pistol but I was always given the responsibility of carrying the weapon. It was just assumed that I would never have to use them(I do not know when the last time one had to use one). I was given the responsibility of firing both missiles and guns but was never given much training on when to use them(it was likewise assumed that I would never need to use them). I can hardly believe that someone hasn't forcefully taken over a naval vessels since at night at sea there is a fantail watch but he is unarmed and most of the hand held weapons are in the armory. There was absolutely no training about what to do if we did have an intruder board the ship while it was at sea. Even small tactics like keeping all the entrances to the ship one way locked at night so it would at least slow them down were not even contemplated. I was given a shot gun and told to patrol a deck when in port but I was never given any training on when I could use it. When the ship was in port one night while I was on watch I noticed a native Indian approaching the ship in a canoe but lucky for me there was a Spanish speaking guard on the pier who shouted at the intruder to go away and he did(he was probably just curious about all the lights). That was the closest I got to see any action in the whole 20 years.

    2. Re:IN THE NAVY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. I was never given very much training on how to shoot the pistol but I was always given the responsibility of carrying the weapon. It was just assumed that I would never have to use them(I do not know when the last time one had to use one) ...

      WW2 at the latest. I knew someone who was on a destroyer during the Guadalcanal campaign. When they threw cargo nets over the side to let enemy survivors climb aboard the survivor either swam away or attacked them once on deck. Accuracy wasn't much of an issue since the armed sailor covering his shipmates had a BAR not a .45.

      ... I was given the responsibility of firing both missiles and guns but was never given much training on when to use them(it was likewise assumed that I would never need to use them) ...

      Oh come on, even a civilian can figure that out. You fire only when an officer tells you to, the decision is above your rating. :-)

    3. Re:IN THE NAVY by eqisow · · Score: 1

      Interesting, but you'll be happy to know that all of that (using the weapon, when deadly force is authorized, etc) is all covered in Boot Camp now. I know because I just graduated ~2 months ago. I can also tell you that from what I saw of the culture there... this will not go over well, from the CO of RTC down to the RDC's, they all think it's more ridiculous than you to, to put it lightly. The real problem is with the PFA standards. Not only are they ridiculously easy, but of the three (push-ups, sit-ups, run) you only really have to pass the run. You can do shitty, half-ass sit-ups/push-ups that your buddy is counting for you... so yeah. With the run they strap a tracking bracelet to you, so you can't cheap that one.

    4. Re:IN THE NAVY by The+Governor · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience from 1999-2008. I was NEVER properly trained for anything that I encountered. They just wanted warm bodies to fill all the watch duties. It didn't matter if all the equipment was broken as long as it was clean. WRT the physical stuff; I used to do 100 situps, 80 pushups and fail the run consistently. I would still get a physical readiness award due to the grading criteria. Hilarious!

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  15. In the Marines. Outstanding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I enlisted in the USMC late 1973. I weighed 235lb upon arrival at USMCRD San Diego. The physical kicked my ass so they threw me into a Physical Conditioning Platoon till I could better the PFT. 6 mo later I graduated at 175lb and passed the fitness tests with very good style.
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  16. What's wrong with regular exercise? by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I was in the army in the early 90s we just did good old fashioned exercise. What the fuck is wrong with making them run until they're no longer lardasses?

    1. Re:What's wrong with regular exercise? by jjbenz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      agreed, I was in the Army in the late 80's and we did plenty of physical training. The guys that didn't pass the physical requirements were held back until they met them.

  17. Get the Beavis and Butthead P.E. coach to run it by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Get the Beavis and Butthead P.E. coach to run it

  18. DDR maybe.. by crossmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but Wii Fit? I guess you can get some aerobic exercise with it as well, but if you're going to use a game, DDR has far more feedback for the aerobic exercise with the mat. Long sessions of DDR could replace some aerobic fat burning classes for new recruits.

  19. They're not the first! by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here in Finland, an outside support organisation bought a bunch of Wii consoles and Wii Fit games for various army garrisons. This was met with some initial scepticism, of course, but apparently the thing has turned out to be a success.

    In recent years, the army has been forced to figure out how to give the new conscripts who are in really bad shape (blah blah blah, moral and physical decay in youth today, yadda yadda yadda) a bit softer landing so they don't completely break themselves apart during the basic training, and this has played toward that goal too. The worst couch potatoes get Nordic walking instead of morning sprints.

  20. Doctors have been doing this for a few years by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    They've used it to help rehabilitate patients, and noticed that patients who have a Wii and use it are healthier.

    Bottom line - the military is finding out that the Wii kicks ass!

    No more couch potatoes.

    Of course the next problem will be that possession of a bunnch of Wiis could mark you as a terrorist training camp.

    1. Re:Doctors have been doing this for a few years by shentino · · Score: 1

      Let's just hope that Nintendo doesn't pull the same crap that got the USAF nailed by Sony when they removed OtherOS.

    2. Re:Doctors have been doing this for a few years by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Let's just hope that Nintendo doesn't pull the same crap that got the USAF nailed by Sony when they removed OtherOS.

      Hospitals aren't installing any special software - they're just getting patients in physical rehab to play Wii Sports and Wii Fit.

      It also works well in old-age homes - keeps people moving AND gives them social interaction.

      This is something that the whole FPS-sitting-on-the-couch-killing-people crowd doesn't get.

    3. Re:Doctors have been doing this for a few years by T-ice · · Score: 1

      WRONG! The navy is filled with some of the laziest people you'll ever meet. Everyone in the navy I've known who had a wii just flipped the controller and never actually did any of the swinging that makes it "active". I'm fairly certain they don't even get off their asses to put in a different game. On that note you can't really blame all of them, depending on where they work they may not have the space to move around enough. So unless terrorism involves flicking grenades with a Popsicle stick, there will be no wii training camps.

    4. Re:Doctors have been doing this for a few years by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      I guess it boils down to the game in question. Some games, unless you're actually standing and moving the controller a LOT, you'll get your ass kicked. And then there are games that just beg you to get off the couch - like the sword-fighting game in Wii Sports Resort. I thought that would be the dumbest/lamest game in the bundle, but was I wrong!

      It's so much fun that you don't even mind losing that much ...

  21. Damn whippersnappers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Having one to boot camp in 2003 I was in one of the last old barracks they had where you had to march everywhere it doesn't surprise me that they are having issues getting the new recruits in shape. The new barracks have the mess hall, class rooms and barrack all in the same place so there is almost no marching or traveling on any given day in boot camp and just one PT session a day. So obviously the solution is to play videogames in the barracks and not you know march around during boot camp. Even the end of boot camp test battle stations is all in one building now where before it used to be spread out around the whole base. Truthfully tho being a instructor for future navy nukes Im actually more concerned about the lowered asvab standards then the fatties coming in.

    1. Re:Damn whippersnappers by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Lowered? When I took them in '02, it was 50 minimum for a grunt, 31 if you had a high school diploma. That's slightly better than a warm wet blanket. What are they now?!

  22. And if somebody is a really good dancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does it fall under "Don't Ask, Don,t Tell"

  23. huh? by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

    I've had strabismic amblyopia (lazy eye due to misalignment of the eyes at birth, not refractive issues - although I have those, too) since birth, cosmetically corrected, but playing video games hasn't done a damn thing to correct it. I've had surgery to cosmetically correct it, but too late for my brain to be OK with that.

    It's the weirdest thing to try and describe, since its effects are much permanent without drastic measures. Even with contacts that correct my vision to 20/20, my right eye just doesn't see like the left. If I cover my right eye, I can read with normal speed. If I cover my left, even though I would pass a vision test with flying colors, I must concentrate - HARD! - on every word. It's as if someone turned up the dimmer switch on that eye. I can't catch a ball to save my life. depth perception is just not there. However, every other function is, my peripheral vision is >180 degrees, color is just fine, so is focus. Perception is not.

    So how is a game presented on a 2D monitor supposed to improve that? My brain can continue to rely on it's one "fellow eye" system just fine staring at a monitor.

    1. Re:huh? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So how is a game presented on a 2D monitor supposed to improve that? My brain can continue to rely on it's one "fellow eye" system just fine staring at a monitor.

      probably it does it by training your failing eye to behave like your winning eye, which is easier when both eyes are expected to do the same for long periods. and you're seeing stuff move while your eyes are doing the same thing for long periods so your brain has something to work with. the real world is just too complicated. but I made all this up

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  24. Its the Navy, not the Army or Marines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Soldiers are expected to spends weeks or months in the field where there might not be electricity and clean water, forget entertainment electronic. Soldiers should learn to rough it and exercise even when it's difficult or boring.

    We are talking about sailors, not soldiers. If sailors do not have electricity they are treading water or may soon be doing so.

  25. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wtf. how about start by making them do 500 push ups everyday, that will get them into shape real quick. Physical atonement isn't supposed to be "fun" and "easy"

    Fuck that shit

  26. Once in a while... by __aahurc460 · · Score: 1

    The military shows some intelligence. Instead of doing jumping jacks and other inane calisthenics for 30 minutes (or however long) every morning, why not make exercise fun. Get people to want to do it! I didn't lift weights like the football team in high school, but I did go to the arcade almost everyday and played nothing but DDR 3rd and 4th mix. I never thought of it as exercise, it was always fun... even when my legs were on fire. Tell you what, I could do as many squats at whatever weight with the best of them when I was forced to take gym class. I also noticed I could run better, went from an 8min mile to a 6:30 over the course of a couple months of DDR. Sure got expensive though.

  27. The answer to American obesity... by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

    The military using Wii fit and DDR in order to help shape up their incoming overweight recruits is cute, but it's really not the best way of going about it. The obvious answer an obesity epidemic in America can easily be found in our answers to other things that threaten us.

    Criminalization.

    We'll make driving while obese illegal, put in mandatory weigh-ins to prove you aren't too fat to buy high calorie foods, ban cheeseburgers, put in fat scanners in airports, put and start putting them in prison. Then we can make mandatory Obesity Registration Lists so that people in your neighborhood will know that you are fat.

    Zero tolerance. We won't care if you just had a baby, have some medical condition that led to it, the law is the law!

  28. Private Pile get the **** of my wii fit! by yossarianuk · · Score: 1

    My first thought on hearing this was how different the training scene would be in full metal jacket now....

    Would they attack Pile with wii controllers instead of soap in socks ?

    Would Sergeant Hartman be replaced with a character in a Mario Bros game?

  29. Odd stratagy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I do think thta this seems to be very odd in my opinion, I can see the US reasoning, by using video games in training they may increase recruitments of people who like playing vidoe games