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Cutting Through the 4G Hype

crimeandpunishment writes "Cell phone companies are about to bombard us with advertising for the next big thing — 4G access. The first 4G phone, Sprint Nextel's EVO, comes out this week. But just how big a deal is 4G? Is it fast enough to warrant the hype, or are consumers better off waiting a while? AP technology writer Peter Svensson looks at the differences between 4G and 3G technologies."

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  1. 4G? by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Canadian carriers just upgraded their networks to 3G, so I'm guessing we won't hear about 4G until 2015.

    1. Re:4G? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm in the US, in a somewhat outlying suburb but certainly not in the "country," and still waiting for 3G at home. Verizon seems to have 3G coverage here (I will not use them), AT&T's 3G is very spotty, while T-Mobile and Sprint have no 3G coverage here. How about bringing the networks up to date before hyping the crap out of the next technology?

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    2. Re:4G? by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in Japan, nationwide 4G is expected to be out by 2012. Docomo has already successfully street-tested 7Gbps 4G. I believe that's two orders of magnitude faster than Sprint's "4G".

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  2. a brief experience with 4G, since november by Texodore · · Score: 4, Informative

    Raleigh-Durham, 4G since November as my primary home internet connection.

    It doesn't work well in the rain or a thunderstorm. 6-7 Mbit down 1.5 or so up. That is as fast as the DSL connection I could get. I refuse to give money to Time Warner so that's out of the question.

    The connection isn't as reliable as DSL or cable modem. It's kind of flaky and the DNS servers that come with Clearwire service are bad. Use Google's or opendns.

    That said, it is basically a wireless DSL connection. It is way way faster than a 3G signal. Don't know how it will be on the EVO, but unless the iPhone 4G/HD blows me out of the water, when my iPhone 3G contract comes up in July, I'm going to Sprint to take advantage.

    1. Re:a brief experience with 4G, since november by Comen · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I refuse to give money to Time Warner"
      I belive that Time Warner owns some of Clear Wire along with some other big companies. Time Warner also resells Clearwire service labled as Road Runner Mobile.

    2. Re:a brief experience with 4G, since november by BitHive · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. G definitions by bhaktha · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically speaking. The various G definitions are based on the underlying technology that is used for hauling the bits over the air interface 1G - Analog technology (AMPS et al) 2G - Digital transmission (GSM, TDMA, CDMA et al) 3G - WCDMA (UMTS (aka the orginal 3G), HSPA, EVDO et al) 4G - OFDM (LTE, WiMax et al)

    1. Re:G definitions by dakameleon · · Score: 3, Informative

      "CDMA" in the context of 2G is the transmission method - code division multiple access. The "CDMA" used by Verizon/Sprint is more properly "cdmaOne" (2G) or "CDMA2000" (3G).

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  4. Re:Much ado about nothing by Raven42rac · · Score: 3, Informative
    urrite
    I found this article to be poorly written and researched. Including such weasely gems as:

    For consumers, 4G means, in the ideal case, faster access to data. For instance, streaming video might work better, with less stuttering and higher resolution. Videoconferencing is difficult on 3G and might work better on 4G. Multiplayer video games may benefit too.

    might may might maybe

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  5. Actually one other large difference - data + voice by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, I take it that the author of this article is happy just using EDGE, right? Since that's only distinguished from 3G by its speed?

    You can't use data on EDGE during a phone conversation (nor receive calls). It's actually more annoying than you might think.

    With both 3G and 4G you can do both at once.

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  6. Simultaneous voice and data by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    When Sprint & Verizon roll out their 4G networks will they be able to handle simultaneous voice and data

    My sources say yes because 4G treats voice as VoIP.

    1. Re:Simultaneous voice and data by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Informative

      The new Evo 4G phone offers simultaneous voice and data, but only in 4G areas. That would seem to back you up.

  7. 700Mhz vs 1900Mhz vs 2500Mhz by dokebi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Basically, the lower the frequency, the further it reaches. Verizon bought gobs of spectrum in the 700Mhz range, which is great for building penetration and longer reach. Compare that to Sprint/Clearwire's 2500Mhz spectrum, which is known to be blocked by wet leaves. T-mobile also bought spectrum in the 700Mhz range, but likely will use it to build out their 3G network.

    AT&T pretty much sat that auction out, so I can't imagine their data service getting much better. I hope their pico cell strategy pans out.

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  8. 3G is already capped by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    They already do. A 3G mobile broadband connection from any of the four major U.S. providers is limited to 5 GB per month, while Sprint plans to offer significantly higher monthly transfer caps to 4G customers.

  9. cdmaOne by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    CDMA is 3G. You could even make a decent argument that 3G is CDMA.

    That depends on whether you're talking about cdmaOne or CDMA2000.

  10. Re:4G is used for what? by LingNoi · · Score: 3, Informative

    People play multiplayer games on their cellphones?!

    Yes they do here are my favorites..

    http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/games/projectinf
    http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/games/cestos

  11. Not _quite_ by sznupi · · Score: 3, Informative

    If anybody wants to really push "4G" product (using it as its defining quality), he's for a surprise...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraphobia

    Probably why that'll be 3G -> LTE actually; certainly why there's no S60v4 or 4xxx-series devices from Nokia.

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  12. Re:4G is a big deal by nanospook · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got one a week ago. if you live in a 4G network area, then it works well. You can connect and get 5-6MB. If you live in a 3G then you are going to connect at 1.6 or under.. maybe way under. But otherwise, it works pretty well. The only issue I have is that sometimes it doesn't power down correctly. Then I have to pull the battery (easy to do). It has a little screen on the front that tells you whether you are in a 3 or 4 G area and also what your connection speed is. The real issue is that 4G is just not available everywhere yet.

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  13. Re:Oh c'mon by imikedaman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the article; it says AT&T will be offering 3G speeds that are faster than 4G.

  14. Re:Difference between 3G and 4G by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, they all run UMTS (3.5G) by now. (And 7Mb UMTS USB sticks for your laptop are not uncommon since at least five years ago.)

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  15. Re:On paper it looks like a good phone. by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Informative

    You should be able to update the Hero to 2.1 from the HTC site, and seeing how 2.2 was officially announced just a few weeks ago, I don't see what you're complaining about.