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Pakistan Lifts Ban After Facebook Deletes Offending Page
crimeandpunishment writes "Facebook is back in Pakistan today. A day after Bangladesh banned the social networking site, the Pakistani government lifted its ban after officials from Facebook apologized for the 'Everybody Draw Mohammed Day' page and removed it from the site. The page caused outrage and protests among Pakistan's Muslim population, and led to the ban two weeks ago. A spokesman for Pakistan's office of information technology said Facebook assured the government 'nothing of this sort will happen in the future.'"
Are we hypocrites who are not trying to understand the other view point? What if we do not have a lot of respect(some call it tolerance) for our own religion and belief (for those who have it) that we let our 'God'(son) called 'zombie jew'? What right do we have to criticize someone who has a lot of respect and (blind) belief for what he believes in? For a minute think that you totally, fully, blindly believe in Quran and that God/Allah is going to fry your ass if you do not follow his words, won't you do exactly try to do everything(blow yourself up) to prevent it? My point is that all this is about the amount of faith you have in God, what if *we* do not have it.
Christianity also was practiced (although I believe it was not what Jesus wanted) with a very tight interpretation, it is very very difficult to say it was wrong and what we do is right. Maybe we have all gone mad and away from God, but we also need to check whether *we* are the hypocrites and intolerant ones who cannot accept someone who wants to practice his religion strictly and work towards his eternal life (and blow himself and others up for that goal in this life).
May Allah save us all (why not?)
No more than we need to keep people from posting pro-Klan materials on the site. Ultimately, people weren't doing it as free speech, they were doing it out of ignorance for Islam. Free speech has never been about saying whatever you could to offend other people. It's been to assure the people of the ability to speak out about meaningful things. This isn't any different than bans on homophobic, racist, antisemitic posts that most websites of that sort have.
How about the fact that they wouldnt let isreal check to make sure they wernt bringing in weapons?
Isreal said they would give the stuff to the palestines.
Perhaps if the gaza strip wasnt run by a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.. THAT WANTS TO WIPE ISREAL OFF THE MAP. The arabs wouldnt have a problem getting their wheelchairs.
It was ten dead anyways, and ive seen photage of the isrealis bording the boats (which i firmly believe they had a right too) and being attacked. When your attacked, you defend yourself.
And anyways it had NOTHING to do with facebook.
Ultimately is is both derogatory and hateful. It's a simple matter of respect, the fact is that there's a lot of bigots out there to get their lulz by insulting Islam. Ignorant statements that something which offends even moderate Muslims isn't derogatory is really beyond explanation.
More than that it's hardly an effective way of bringing the extremists into check. It just gives more ammunition for them when they say that we don't get or respect Islam.
Hell yeah! Free speech doesn't just mean you can speak out against real injustice, it means you should be intentionally abusive of other people's cultures and religions! As often as possible!
This attitude utterly disgusts me. You people are pathetic. "Not drawing pictures of Mohammed" (PBUH) takes away precisely one "right" of yours, the right to be an idiot with no sense of tact or respect.
If you've got a really good reason to draw a picture of the prophet, other than something along the lines of "I have a misguided idea of what free speech means, and I want to be offensive for a laugh" then I'd love to hear it.
I'm a British atheist. What say I go to Alabama, defecate on a bible, wrap it in the US flag and burn the bundle. That's free speech isn't it? That's me exercising the right of a person living in the US isn't it?
No, it's me being an offensive dick for the sake of it. I'd get lynched, and rightly so. Grow up, the lot of you.
Please consider this account deleted, I just can't be bothered with the spam anymore.
Once Rome went Christian, boom...crime to even be another religion. Then you've got the crusades and the dark ages. Thanks Christianity!
Blar.
There was a anti-Israeli / Jewish group on Facebook that was deleted. No one said anything. It was applauded for the most part.
Double standards suck I guess. Jews = justified complainants; Muslims = whining fundamentalists. Gotcha.
Still, a state 100% controlled by fundamentalist christians would be a hell of a lot more pleasant to live in than an islamic dictatorship.
There'd be universities, science, painting, singing, dancing, alcohol, ... everything you could possibly want, even if they'd have to abide by a few rules. It would be between "survivable" and "comfortable" in my book.
In a muslim dictatorship, there are only the 2 deserts : the real desert, the destroyed remains of the country, and the desert of the mind. There won't be books, there wouldn't be science, there won't be no singing, no dancing, no alcohol, totally sex-segregated police states with slavery, nothing but total emptiness and destruction. I fully understand why muslims use suicide tactics. It can only be a relief.
There is a significant difference between asking me to post something myself and simply posting something up on a site that claims it is for you to say what you like simply because someone else said they don't like it.
Except it is the exact same concept. It's a third party demanding that their speech be conveyed via a specific, privately owned forum. Your freedom of speech does not extend to what other people put up using their own resources any more than my freedom of speech extends to forcing you to put up specific comments.
It's not a violation of freedom of speech for you to refuse to put what I want in your posts
Correct, but taking your post down would be.
There is no conceptual or legal differentiation in free speech between preventing an act of speech in a forum and removing that speech. If the government says it is illegal to say "monkey" it's a violation of free speech, just as much as if they burn a book that has the word "monkey" printed in it.
What Facebook did was not as serious a violation as a government demanding that it be taken down, but it doesn't speak very highly of Facebook that they chose to take it down.
No, what you seem to think Facebook did may have been a dick move, but it isn't abridging anyone's free speech any more than the New York Times not running your editorial rant in their paper is. That is, of course, ignoring that it turns out Facebook didn't take it down, the people who ran the page did.
We do not need to wonder. We know. Japan was about to surrender (it attempted an increasing number of peace overtures beginning in April 1945) but its great mistake was that it attempted to involve the Soviet Union in the surrender proceedings (as an assurance against more US atrocities) and so the US had to show both Japan and the Soviet Union who's the boss.
Also, the US was involved in mass scale atrocities in japan well prior to the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like for example the March 9-10 1945 firebombing of Tokyo which killed 100,000 people.
As we now know from history (and things that have been declassified long after the war) that the main "target audience" of the use of nukes was the Soviet Union, the only viable threat to the freshly nascent in 1945 Global US Empire.
"I'm an American who understands free thought, freedom of expression, and the great American tradition..."
Blah-blah-blah...
When push will come to the shovel, you will cave like any other of your coward compatriots.
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