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Wikileaks Was Launched With Intercepts From Tor

The New Yorker is featuring a long and detailed profile of Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks. From this Wired's Threat Level pulls out one salient detail: that Wikileaks' initial scoop came from documents intercepted from Tor exit routers. The eavesdropping was pulled off by a Wikileaks activist — neither the New Yorker nor Wired knows who or even in what country he or she resides. "The siphoned documents, supposedly stolen by Chinese hackers or spies who were using the Tor network to transmit the data, were the basis for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange's assertion in 2006 that his organization had already 'received over one million documents from 13 countries' before his site was launched ..." Update: 06/02 06:31 GMT by T : In reaction to the Wired story, and the New Yorker story on which it drew, Andrew Lewman of the Tor Project points to this explanation / reminder of what Tor's software actually does and does not do. Relevant to the claims reported above, it reads in part "We hear from the Wikileaks folks that the premise behind these news articles is actually false -- they didn't bootstrap Wikileaks by monitoring the Tor network. But that's not the point. The point is that users who want to be safe need to be encrypting their traffic, whether they're using Tor or not." This flat denial of the assertion that Wikileaks was bootstrapped with documents sniffed from the Tor network is repeated unambiguously in correspondence from Wikileaks volunteers.

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  1. So what? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary is written as if Tor is suppose to be secure from eavesdropping. It isn't. It's supposed to offer anonymity. There's nothing to indicate that the _source_ of the documents was compromised.

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    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a very simple solution to this problem:

      Encrypt your data before sending it over Tor

      I sincerely hope any serious US agency using Tor for operations would take this precaution; it seems stupid not to do so, unless the goal is to provide disinformation

    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...because if the US govt agencies DIDN'T use such common-sense security tactics, they (and me, and my family, and my community) would easily be taken over by another government that is just as effective in screwing the world, dominating the weak, and murdering innocents.

      I don't excuse our government's behavior, but it's not as if the rest of the world is made up of sane, caring individuals...

    3. Re:So what? by Unordained · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use a car to get to work. Terrorists use cars to blow things up. Clearly, the tool is equal to the usage.

    4. Re:So what? by blai · · Score: 4, Informative

      Terrorists use bombs to blow things up.

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  2. transparency by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Transparency is what the information age is for. It will be interesting to see how political bodies adjust... on one hand, the leaks are damaging, and truly innocuous or routine things can be spun and blown way out of proportion by opposition groups. On the other hand, they now have to behave to higher ethical standards (or at least the appearance of high ethical standards) because virtually anything could become public knowledge.

    1. Re:transparency by Strong+Arm+Coat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where's the "Wishful Thinking" mod when you need it?

    2. Re:transparency by Willbur · · Score: 3, Informative

      I highly recommend this link on why transparency is not enough.

  3. Re:A leak != Espionage by linzeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh, there have been rumors this has been a bonanza for the intelligence community. If wikileaks is doing it you can bet every three letter agency in the world has been doing it too.

  4. Re:Fundamental Flaw? by Cougar+Town · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would this be a fundamental flaw of the TOR network? If you don't know who's controlling the exit nodes, then you will never know if the information you send is truly secure.

    Tor offers anonymity, not security. Encryption and signing is for security. The two can be combined.

  5. Re:Fundamental Flaw? by Virak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, this is a fundamental flaw with unencrypted communication, which is exactly what you're doing when you use Tor to access things outside of the Tor network without additional encryption. Either stay inside the network or ensure whatever you're running over it has its own encryption, simple as that. As always, the biggest threat to security is incompetence.

  6. Exit Nodes by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 3, Informative

    Anybody involved with TOR knows that EXIT nodes are a big potential risk, and not only have there been rumors of official government sponsored (and therefore tapped) exit nodes, but even /. had a story about it a long ass time ago. Recently the TOR guys have been trying to curtail this via a few different methods, but it is nothing new. Regardless, exit node sniffing is a novel way to get information, (for example, allow only .gov or .edu traffic)

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  7. Re:A leak != Espionage by linzeal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The DMV has been given extraordinary powers since all these MADD sponsored mandatory DUI sentencing guidelines have begun to be expanded. My friend was arrested for suspicion of DUI in Oregon 2 years ago and was never charged but he still can't get it off his record.

  8. Re:Worry by cappp · · Score: 4, Interesting
    That's an interesting point, I'd not heard of Samizdat before. For anyone else who's out of the know - wikipedia defines it as

    Samizdat was a key form of dissident activity across the Soviet bloc in which individuals reproduced censored publications by hand and passed the documents from reader to reader, thus building a foundation for the successful resistance of the 1980s

    . I guess what I'm trying to say is that WikiLeaks is straddling the gap between public interest and public concern in a way that is beginning to make me feel uncomfortable. Just me. Despite what the mods have deigned from on high I'm not trying to troll or anything like that. I am genuinly concerned that the project is grounded in what I consider to be ethically-suspect actions that potentially reflect an attitude to privacy, security, and mature discussion that I find distasteful.

    As to the accuracy, who knows what they're chosing not to show? That's a somewhat facicious point but there is an element of truth. If they're not above a little serrupticious information gathering then how can I trust that they're not also willing to make a few alterations here and there in what they chose to publisize. When they posted that video of military action the New Yorker ran an interesting piece at http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2010/04/truth-but-not-the-whole-truth.html which makes some compelling points about the video as presented:

    The producers themselves have chosen not to provide them. There appears to be a purpose to the omissions, which is underlined by the Orwell quote at the start, the prefatory explanation, the quotes and dedication at the end, even the way the helicopter crew’s cruel remarks are edited in a few places for effect. Although the producers identify the camera of the Reuters journalist who, along with his assistant, will be killed by Apache cannon fire, they don’t point to the AK-47 or the RPG launcher carried by other men with whom the journalists are walking in a group. Stripped of much context and weighted with commentary, this video is both an important document of the war, courageously leaked after the military had steadily refused to release it, and, in its way, a propaganda film.

    I'm concerned that we're trading one kind of spin for another.

  9. Re:Hmmmmm by grcumb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like an excellent way to spread disinformation.....even better than say.....the New York Times.

    You know, even as recently as the salad days of my youth, I could have labeled you a troll for writing that about the NYT.

    Now, alas, all I can do is nod my head sadly in agreement.

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  10. Re:Innocent world theory does not apply to govs. by Fjandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The attempts by large groups to dominate the weak occurred long before capitalism, and will continue should capitalism ever cease to exist. It is simply one model of domination. There are many more in existence.

  11. SSL any better? by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    While we're at it, your browser SSL encryption is only as secure as the least secure of the certificate authorities that your browser trusts. Any time your browser shows a secure and validated SSL connection it's because someone in your authorities list said it was okay. Just one authority. That's all it takes.

    Go look at the list of CAs your browser trusts.

    I just checked mine and I see 86 certificates belonging to maybe 30 different organizations. If any single one of those 30 organizations has a compromised certificate, my browser could show a bogus SSL connection as valid. So, I connect to Bank Of America, and the connection appears like a good SSL connection, but that's only because the fake cert in this attack was authorized by some rogue operator at "TÜBTAK UEKAE Kök Sertifika Hizmet Salaycs - Sürüm 3" or whichever of the 30 companies. That's a pretty long chain to deal with for a weakest-link-screws-you scenario.

    Maybe some folks here didn't realize that this is how the model works. That's part of the problem.

    So I might suggest understanding the difference between an anonymized connection and an encrypted one. Folks should understand how Tor works before using it. Already we have a problem with people using SSL without understanding it.

    Anyway, I installed Tor and Torbutton recently and kept running across notices of how Tor works and that I should be aware of how it works to receive the benefits of it.

    Here's another way you can protect yourself against bogus SSL certs, by the way: Perspectives. See the demo. There's a Firefox extension.

    Perspectives shows you an SSL cert's history. That is, how long that cert has been in use by the host you're SSL connecting to (as seen by a number of other hosts on the net). If the cert changed on you today, that's suspicious. If it changed today and you are the only person seeing that new cert, you might consider not using that connection for sensitive communication.