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New Estimate Suggests 5.5M Species On Earth, Not 30-100M

An anonymous reader writes "How many species share our planet? According to a recalculation by an international research team, the number is significantly lower than we thought — only around 5.5 million."

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  1. Well yeah, now... by MarbleMunkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    after we've killed off a bunch of them.

    1. Re:Well yeah, now... by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, sure.

      But we can ask the question: Is our wanton destruction of many of the ecosystems on earth a desirable thing?

      Quibbling over whether it is properly described as natural or not sort of misses the point.

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    2. Re:Well yeah, now... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. Once a species dies out completely, it's failed at evolution. Killing off a significant proportion of a population periodically, however, causes the traits of the survivors to be selected for. An example of this is immunity to rat poison. Rats have a very high mutation rate (a huge number of them die of cancer as a result), and so it's likely that a very small proportion of the population will be immune to any given poison that you can use. After a few days, you've killed off all of the local population except the immune ones. After a few weeks, the survivors have passed on their immunity to their offspring, and a couple of months later you have the same number of rats but none are immune. In contrast, if you kill them all with fire (which they are very unlikely to be immune to) then none will survive to the next generation so the local population dies completely.

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    3. Re:Well yeah, now... by wastedlife · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll bite. Stop anthropomorphizing evolution. Evolution does not care if it is the right thing to grow a second head or kill off the only food source. Evolution is a theory used to explain how organisms change with successive generations. That is all. It should not be used to moralize our actions. That is how things like eugenics get proposed. Going by your logic, because many people adhere to astronomy theories, we should not attempt to intercede if we detect a large comet on a collision course with Earth or the Moon.

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    4. Re:Well yeah, now... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      So in order to kill Master Splinter, we must use flame throwers, got it.

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    5. Re:Well yeah, now... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 4, Funny

      In contrast, if you kill them all with fire (which they are very unlikely to be immune to) then none will survive to the next generation so the local population dies completely.

      A rat immune to poisons AND fire would be amazing. In a few generations, we could have rats that are poison resistant, fire-resistant, metal-resistant, you name it.

      Awesome.

      Basically, we'd have a group of cleric-rats.

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    6. Re:Well yeah, now... by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      when some species are removed from existence, the whole ecosystem goes crazy because it's not built to operate at the sudden pace that we're pushing it at. Plus, we're hitting nearly every ecosystem with rapid change at once, which is taking a somewhat delicate system and playing Jenga with it.

      In other words: Once we hit that bulls-eye, the dominoes will fall like a house of cards; checkmate.

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    7. Re:Well yeah, now... by g4b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I, as a strong believer in God, have to agree completely with what you just said.

      Let me tell about my side of the story...

      I do believe, that nature is intelligently designed ;) , but I do not agree with Intelligent Design, so do I not with Creationism.
      There is a part of the teaching about micro- and macroevolution (evolution inbetween species and from species to species), which I do like as a thought - there is also no hard proof of species converting to other either - but I do believe MacroEv in the long run to be possible, maybe even wanted or happening.

      As I have researched back then in historical background, evolution, as many other theories, came out of scientific university background, and was used in media to bash christian beliefs (I think it was english media, a face off between some clergy guy and a professor). From there on, the normal cycle of historical developments, where science changed the view of deists and atheists at the same amount over time (mostly by some sacrifices of christian scientists facing christian clergy), did not take it's usual path. It became something which was a direct attack on God, and was used as such. Same goes for the Big Bang, which in theory still does not proof God not existing. Christians started to defend themselves using non scientific explanations or pseudo science to keep their face in the last century, forgetting, that also christians fought to have a separation, freedom of faith and so on.

      It feels like, believers tried to create a chisma between science and religion and now we have to pay for it by being attacked from those we wanted to liberate. Because not all christians did or do support religious viewpoints.

      Universities in itself, as also many other aspects of our humanist culture, is something, a Christian would have fought for, especially from the early churches, but I think especially our main figure in the bible would have. Many scientists before this event were strong believers. But nowadays they are silent, silent because their scientific work would not been taken seriously if they admitted they are christians, and sometimes troubled in faith, because fundamentalists question their faith - they are attacked from both worlds.

      It is hard to know, who really is at fault, populistic science, or religious fundamentalists, and who fired the first shot - I think it could be the christians on the other side. But one thing is clear: this war is not needed. Universities were not the temples of Atheism, as many christians nowadays see them. Knowledge was a virtue, it could be a calling from God, some books in the bible were written by "scientific" people back in the days of Luke (Genealogy was for example the begin of a historic text) and many Universities were founded by liberal thinking christians.

      I do have experience. If I say, I do believe in God, I am regarded as somebody who might not really understand science (well I would never say, I know very much). It's a hard life in universities, and certainly did affect my life in general, in both studies - medicine and computer science. As if my personal belief in a God would not make me somebody who wants to find out what's out there, how things work and so on.

      Since I was an atheist for a good period of my life, and did ask myself, how God can exist if evolution is proposed, I do understand, that it is seen as a contrast to the bible, it does trouble people seeking a faith.
      Reading first chapter genesis and realising it's completely different aspect on creation as later in the book, seeing that even the timeline matches, and that it is only one chapter of a book afterwards going in a completely different direction, it made me realise, it's just a populistic hategame and talk-a-lot all around the world, like there is racism, and it should not stand in the way to only read, what that book has to say to me - or not. So I did continue. Many questions ahead. Still quite sceptical. Love Gen1,1 though.

      I do enjoy the company of atheistic

  2. Depending on where you start by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Funny

    Each more delicious than the last!

    Hmm... maybe I should have had breakfast this morning...

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  3. This is an industry sponsored study by intheshelter · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is obviously another propaganda attempt by the biodiversity denialists who are funded by the Big Zoo industry.

  4. Something seems fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA:

    By looking at all of the beetles that live on a single tree species in Papua New Guinea, the researchers were able to extrapolate their numbers to a global scale.

    No, they thought they could extrapolate their numbers to a global scale. Luckily, they used only the most rigourous methods...

    This type of model is widely used in financial risk assessments, but has rarely been applied to ecology.

    Well perhaps not the most rigourous, more likely that type of model has never been applied to reality, but I digress. This smells like bullshit science and shouldn't be leant much credibility.

  5. Re:That right... by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, being tasty to humans is one of the most advantageous adaptations a species can have. Well, either the best or the worst, depending on if we raise them or unsustainably collect them from the wild until the population collapses. You don't see cows or chickens or apples or oranges in any danger any time soon, but then again, things have been eaten to extinction. I don't think it's too bad of an idea to, where possible, try to introduce cultivated or farmed endangered species into the food supply. Preservation through consumption.

  6. Re:from the depends-how-you-count dept by publiclurker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please turn in your geek badge at the door. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code

  7. Re:from the depends-how-you-count dept by AndrewNeo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good thing he has 11 of them!

  8. Reading comprehension fail by Comboman · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:

    [The new estimate] takes into account plants and animals but, like previous studies, it excludes bacteria ...

    They did not "remove a whole group". The previous estimates of 30 to 100 million species also did not include bacteria.

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  9. Re:from the depends-how-you-count dept by impaledsunset · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are 10 kinds of people: Those who understand Gray code, those who don't, and those who mistake it for binary.

  10. Re:Bzzt! Wrong by jc42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only definition of a species is that two organisms that cannot mate are, by definition, different species.

    To illustrate the subtleties in the actual definition(s) used by biologists, a prof in a class I was in wrote a definition very much like the above, and asked the class "What's wrong with this definition?" He was impressed when I spoke up and said "According to that definition, you and I are not the same species." We were (and probably still are ;-) both male, so he just grinned and said "Ya got it." Funny thing was that a good percentage of the class still had a puzzled looks on their faces, so he had to explain to them what I'd just said.

    He later mentioned that there are other important problems with such definitions. One is that people generally want "the same X as" to be a transitive relation. But Ma Nature throws monkey wrenches into such things. Thus, the domestic dog Canis familiaris can interbreed with wild wolves and jackals, but wolves and jackals can't interbreed (or rather, they can, but the few offspring are sterile). So dogs are the same species as wolves and jackals, but wolves and jackals are different species. There are many examples like this.

    A more subtle sort of example is what are sometimes called "range species", in which matings of critters not too far apart are fertile, but when the distance gets above some threshold, fertile hybrids are no longer possible. This happens in a lot of shoreline species.

    We've had a couple of centuries to work out such ideas, and biologists have been fairly successful at dealing with this fairly important concept. But you need more carefully worded definitions than the above.

    If you want to read about an especially difficult "species" distinction, google for the results of mating lions with tigers. That should convince anyone how tricky it is to get the definition right.

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  11. Re:Bzzt! Wrong by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're like mules, same species, just practically incapable of reproduction.

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