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How a Virginia Law Firm Outpaces the MPAA at Suing Over Movie Downloads

Jamie points out this Ars Technica piece on a series of suits brought by the Virginia law firm of Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver against users they accuse of illegally downloading movies. The firm has an interesting business model in these suits; sue enough users in a DC Federal court to be worth splitting the sum of many small settlement offers (generally $1,500-2,500 apiece) with the filmmakers, rather than rely on winning after trial a small number of larger judgments. Most people settle, and Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver has so far named more than 14,000 "Does" — as in John Doe — including, as mentioned a few days ago, 5,000 who downloaded The Hurt Locker.

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  1. worth a read by alain94040 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I found this on the topic: the actual settlement form. Read it all at http://www.copyrightsettlement.info/wfesettlement.pdf

    Payment. You shall pay to the Company the total, lump sum of Two Thousand Five Dollars (US $2,500) by cashier’s check or credit card with no charge back or check cancellation.

    Confidentiality. You agree that the terms of this Agreement shall remain STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and MAY NOT be disclosed to any other party including but not limited to internet or on-line forums.

    So don't go post this on slashdot or you'll owe this lawfirm $15,000!

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    1. Re:worth a read by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Informative

      So don't go post this on slashdot or you'll owe this lawfirm $15,000!

      That's not true. If you post about this on Slashdot, you just cannot automatically opt for the settlement. You still have the option to fight this in a court of law if you feel that you are innocent and publicize that as much as you desire. Once you go public though, you cannot select that settlement option. Also I think the plaintiff would aim a court decision more between $150,000 or $1.5 million though from what we've seen with prior cases that go to court where the individual is found guilty.

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  2. Bizarre Editor Abuse? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I submitted this same exact story referencing the same exact Slashdot article on the Hurt Locker this morning around 7am and it instantly went to being the lowest color any of my submissions have ever been at (jet black). So I was pretty sure I had done something wrong enough to attract the attention of an editor. When I submit stories I check for the story in firehose and by google searching Slashdot and this wasn't there. I didn't get the popup for duplicate URL submission either ... I guess Jamie or someone just really wanted to claim the scoop on this story. What's even more bizarre is that the summary seems to be misdirected at Dunlap, Grubb, & Weaver when it's actually a larger set of plaintiffs composing the US Copyright Group. That's who is listed as behind the ~15,000 lawsuits. Oh well ...

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    1. Re:Bizarre Editor Abuse? by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't bother submitting anything on /. b/c I *know* it's a waste of time.

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      This is the same for all blogs.

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  3. Yeah.... by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the case of The Hurt Locker, when you stand to make almost as much money suing 5,000 people for "stealing" your movie as it did at the box office, maybe you should have made a better movie.

    1. Re:Yeah.... by Pojut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're gonna have to clue me in on the joke... I mean, if the cost of settling for those 5,000 Does is $2,000 each, then that's $10M to split between the producers and lawyers. Hurt Locker has racked up about $48M in worldwide box office so far (against a production cost of $15M). How is $10M "almost as much money" as $48M? (Not to mention the $28M from DVD and BD sales.)

      You're right, it isn't.

      And, let's see....9 Oscar nominations with 6 wins, including Best Picture and Best Director; about 100 awards from groups that like to hand out prizes; 97% on Rotten Tomatoes; the praise of two Iraq veterans with whom I watched it...yeah, it's a crappy film. Are you forgetting that it's lowest-box-office-ever-for-Best-Picture status in large part stems from its extreme shortage of prints?

      I never once said it was crappy. I personally liked it...not enough for a best picture, but I liked it. Apparently, a LOT of other people didn't. Hence my post.

      And just because it's slashdot....what's up with putting "stealing" in quotes? Are you saying that if I'm offering my car for sale and someone drives it away without paying, that my car hasn't been stolen?

      You would no longer have access to your car, hence it would have been stolen. If someone took a copy of the DVD from a Virgin Megastore, that would be stealing, as it would prevent another person from having that same DVD.

      Downloading a movie isn't stealing, as it isn't restricting your ability to obtain those exact same zeros and ones. It's illegal and immoral, but it isn't stealing.

  4. So In Essence by Barrinmw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't download Indie movies anymore. I am sure word of mouth will still spread on how great those movies are...right?

    1. Re:So In Essence by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interesting, isn't it? Here, you have some indie film makers suing downloaders...and yet, many other indie film makers rely on downloaders to get the word out about their work. Other than Hurt Locker, I sure as hell never heard of the other movies.

      I guess that's the difference between an artist and a professional?

  5. Seriously... by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, when is something going to be done about these guys? Their business model is built on "it costs more in legal fees for people to fight these accusations than to settle with us out of court so they'll just pay up" which, really, amounts to extortion. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how they are being allowed to get away with this shit. In a sane, logical world, somebody (the feds, the bar, whomever) would come down on them like a ton of bricks. Sadly, I don't think we live in a sane world any more...

    At this point, I think I'm just holding out hope that a competing law firm will think things through and decide they can make money by suing these vulture law firms for harassment and whatever else they can drum up. After all, if those firms can make money just suing at random, surely another law firm can also make money counter-suing, right? Well, where is our white knight law firm who's eager to make a name for themselves? If the feds won't put a stop to it, maybe a last-to-sue war between legal firms can put a stop to it.

    1. Re:Seriously... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I cannot, for the life of me, understand how they are being allowed to get away with this shit.

      Because our justice system is wholly subservient to business interests. It's not that hard to understand.

      In a sane, logical world, somebody (the feds, the bar, whomever) would come down on them like a ton of bricks. Sadly, I don't think we live in a sane world any more...

      Is this really what tipped you off? Were the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers in jail not enough?

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    2. Re:Seriously... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, and who hires the lawyers? The bigger the business, the more lawyers you can afford, and the more you can pervert the justice system.

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    3. Re:Seriously... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You need to climb off your horse and realize that not every ill in this country can be blamed on business.

      I got sued by someone who rear-ended me at a stop light. There is no conceivable way that accident can be attributed to my negligence. My insurance company settled with the asshole for $12,000 and then raised my rates. Their reason? It's cheaper to settle than to fight the lawsuit. The person who sued me was an individual who perverted the justice system. It had nothing to do with business.

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    4. Re:Seriously... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think it is completely unrelated. Marijuana prohibition began at the behest of the paper industry, and continues today because of the alcohol, pharmaceutical, and prison industries. If we're talking about the perversion of the justice system by business interests, it's worth pointing out that copyright abuses are the tip of the iceberg. As Americans we have to understand that we have an extremely serious problem with corruption that goes back for decades, if not centuries.

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    5. Re:Seriously... by PRMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've changed insurance companies, right? I do know that 21st Century fights rather than pays. So that's who I picked after a similar thing happened to me.

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  6. S2S by retardpicnic · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems as though they have found that splitting the file, whoops, lawsuit up into many pieces that can be individually downloaded, whoops dealt with in no particular order is a more efficient protocol, whoops, business model. What will they think of next?!

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    1. Re:S2S by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do wonder if this sort of reverse class action suit is even legal. I don't think that a law firm ought to be able to bundle that many defendants together without having to at least demonstrate that there's a link between them other than allegedly infringing upon the same material.

  7. Bittorrent Users Sue Movie Studios by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news today, a group of 14,000 bittorrent users who have downloaded movies are suing the studios who produced those movies. The downloaders say the movies were deceptively marketed as being good, and that they were duped into wasting their time and bandwidth by downloading and watching them. The downloaders are asking for a collective total of 38 years wasted time and 448 terabits of wasted bandwidth, plus an unspecified amount for mental and emotional damages.

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  8. Attorney Emails by theNAM666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    * Dunlap, Thomas M - tdunlap@dglegal.com vcard
            * Dureska, Geoffrey M. - gdureska@dglegal.com
            * Grubb, Daniel L. - dgrubb@dglegal.com
            * Ludwig, David - dludwig@dglegal.comvcard
            * Kurtz, Nicholas A. - nkurtz@dglegal.com
            * Novel, Sur - snovel@dglegal.com
            * Policasti, Eugene - epolicasti@dglegal.com
            * Tate, Christopher F. - ctate@dglegal.com
            * Weaver, Jeffrey William - jweaver@dglegal.com
            * Whitticar, Michael C. - mwhitticar@dglegal.com
            * Gurganous, Tom - tgurganous@dglegal.com

    Someone want to get home addresses, phone #s, list of first-born children?

    1. Re:Attorney Emails by CTalkobt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      * Dunlap, Thomas M - tdunlap@dglegal.com vcard * Dureska, Geoffrey M. - gdureska@dglegal.com
      [ ... snip ... ]
      Someone want to get home addresses, phone #s, list of first-born children?

      Individuals at the company may be scum, they may not be - however attacking an individual's personal life for what he does in public I find offensive. The lawyers, are, at the moment within their legal grounds to perform this service for the MPAA and their ilk, as much as it leaves a bad flavor in my mouth.
      If you want to change the world, stop attacking people and start attacking the issue. Fuss at your congressman to change silly lawsuits that are extortion schemes.

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    2. Re:Attorney Emails by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      attacking an individual's personal life for what he does in public I find offensive

      I do not find it offensive in the least. You don't get to do whatever you want and hide behind the "It's just business, nothing personal" excuse. You are responsible personally for any business you conduct whether it be private, public, business, or personal. You are complicit in everything you do. I don't want to hear about how the lawyers are just doing it to put food on their family's table. You really think the guy who owns the law firm is just barely scraping by? These guys are just greedy fuckwads, plain and simple. And they are supporting an entire industry of greed and abuse. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. There are plenty of things that are technically legal that are not ethical. Just because it's legal doesn't mean you should do it. I say fuck them and their personal lives.

  9. Film Industry Saved by IP Chasers! by theNAM666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Washington, D.C.-- Super Lawyers Duenlap, Grubb and Beaver declared today that they had been able to save the ailing film industry via a new, innovative IP-chasing strategy. "It's really simple," declared Duenlap. "You just put a really shitty film on the internet," said Grubb. "And then you wait for peoples' cousins dogs to come download five minutes from the honeypot, and SUE everyone in their zip code," said Ms. Beaver.
    Due to this innovation, Hollywood stars will continue to be able to walk the red carpet with millions in diamonds and rubies, instead of being reduced to begging at soup kitchens, said Duenlap, Grubb and Beaver.
    CNET news attempted to contact the IP addresses involved in this article but ping requests were not returned.

  10. Re:This makes no sense... by thijsh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't be a smartass without looking up the numbers:
    - Hurt locker box office: $ 16,4 million domestic (box office numbers)
    - Hurt locker extortion: $ 12,5 million (2500 × 5000 and counting...)

    I'd say that's a fairly significant amount of money, and should not be discarded as motive for this scam. If they are true artists they would not participate in this witch-hunt-for-pay against their own biggest fans.

  11. Re:Prove it was me. by coaxial · · Score: 3, Informative

    With this in mind, how could this law firm prove that it was me that actually downloaded the movie? What with wifi and all them nasty stealers of bandwidth, exactly how could you prove to even a preponderance standard (the civil standard) that it was me who did the deed?

    Same way they always prove it, by filing a discovery motion to have all mass storage devices (e.g. computer hard drives, external hard drives, flash drives, tapes, etc.) turned over to a third party for expert examination. If the files are there, you did it. If the files were deleted, but still on drive, you did it.

    FYI: You don't have have to overwrite data 7 times or even 30 times to erase on today's drives. Once is enough. The original recommendations were based on 1980s technology with large magnetic domains and inaccurate servos. At today's densities, the slop you were trying to overwrite just doesn't happen.

    (And yes, I did get this information from an known expert in computer forensics.)