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2 In 3 Misunderstand Gas Mileage; Here's Why

thecarchik sends in this piece, which was published last March but remains timely: "OK, so here's a little test: Which saves more gasoline, going from 10 to 20 mpg, or going from 33 to 50 mpg? If you're like most Americans, you picked the second one. But, in fact, that's exactly backwards. Over any given mileage, replacing a 10-mpg vehicle with one that gets 20 mpg saves five times the gasoline that replacing a 33-mpg vehicle with one that gets 50 does. Last summer, Duke University's Fuqua School of Business released a study that shows how much damage comes from using MPG instead of consumption to measure how green a car is. Management professors Richard Larick and Jack Soll's experiments proved that consumers thought fuel consumption was cut at an even rate as mileage increased."

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  1. The question is still absurd... by alexandre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get that the 1st one is a 100% increase while the other is only 50% but you still get a better deal and less pollution by buying the 50 mpg car (if the price is the same).

    So which saves more gasoline? the 2nd one ...

    1. Re:The question is still absurd... by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Perhaps you have no idea what they do when you're not watching them on the particular road you saw them on. Perhaps you don't see them when they're pulling a trailer, or hauling a soccer team around, or carrying three kayaks, etc. I guess you'd rather that person have a second vehicle manufactured for him, which he can separately maintain, insure, and store somewhere. That's super efficient.

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  2. Breaking! mlpm by drDugan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Breaking: In an astounding fit of partial international cooperation and scientific rationality, the US adopts a mostly metric measure of resource use: the milliliter per mile, or the mlpm

    For example:
    10MPG = 378 mlpm
    20MPG = 189 mlpm
    33MPG = 115 mlpm
    50MPG = 76 mlpm
    90MPG = 42 mlpm

    The unit is linear, easy to understand, with numbers everyone can grasp (40-400 ish), and most important, it slowly creeps the US mind toward the metric system, one small step at a time! What a breakthrough! When the cars fly, we can try for using km, not miles.

    Also, mlpm helps put the idea that gasoline is a great resource, to be used sparingly, by the milliliter, as opposed to "by the gallon" like 7eleven slurpies.

    Sadly, in all seriousness, from TFA "Consumption instead of mileage? Nah. Dumb idea. Never work. [sigh]" Probably have to agree with this. Not because it's a dumb idea, but because Americans with the social and business systems in place have shown repeatedly that they will hold onto current ideas so strongly even in the face of overwhelming and obvious evidence showing them to be wrong. Only the real American idol will effect real change in the US system, the dollar.

  3. MPG and GPM are both useful by JesseL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Though it may not be obvious why to someone in a metropolitan area or Europe.

    MPG is the more useful number when you need to figure out what the range of a vehicle is (and perhaps if you'll be able to reach the next station). In the western US it's not unheard of to find yourself 100 miles from any gas station.

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    1. Re:MPG and GPM are both useful by JesseL · · Score: 5, Informative

      High octane equals higher resistance to uncontrolled preignition (aka knock, or detonation). Higher resistance to preignition allows more advanced ignition timing. More advanced ignition equals higher cylinder pressures and longer burn duration. Higher cylinder pressure and longer burn duration allows more complete combustion and higher efficiency.

      Modern vehicles with knock sensors can get greater efficiency from higher octane fuels due to their ability to keep ignition timing as advanced as possible without running into preignition.

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    2. Re:MPG and GPM are both useful by JesseL · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not like that? It's exactly like that. Your car has made you into an idiot.

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  4. Re:Solution? by selven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, changing the units will most definitely help. The units we should change to are the ones we already use here above the border: liters per 100 km. Going from 20 L/100k to 15 L/100k saves just as much as going from 10 L/100k to 5 L/100k. In most people's lives, the distance you need to travel is constant, not the amount of money you have to spend on fuel, so fuel per distance is much more logical anyway.

  5. Re:Solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    True, but you're one of those people who want to use the metric system and hate America, so I won't listen to what you say.

  6. Re:3 people in 2 don't know math. by nmg196 · · Score: 5, Funny

    > 3 people in 2 don't know math

    Wow that's scary. That's nearly half!

  7. Re:3 people in 2 don't know math. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Funny

    > 3 people in 2 don't know math

    Wow that's scary. That's nearly half!

    Seriously? Are you really that stupid? 3 divided by 2 is 1.5, which isn't even close to 50. What the hell do they teach kids in school these days?

  8. Re:3 people in 2 don't know math. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Informative
    Except that the American government already tells you the consumption as well as the MPG for every car sold in America. Go visit FuelEconomy.gov

    They tell you not just the MPG, but
    • the average cost per mile
    • the average annual fuel cost
    • the average cost to fill up
    • tank size
    • mileage range on a single tank
    • average consumption per year in barrels
    • Annual Tons of CO2 Emitted
    • .... other crap you might care about

    it even has calculators so you can plug in your own average miles traveled and driving style and determine how that effects the above.

    also on there has a "garage" feature where you can have your cars and plug in how much you paid for gas and how many miles you got per gallon. (you don't even have to do the math yourself) and it will plot your mileage and allow you to compare what you're getting against the car's listed ratings as well as other drivers with the same car as you. I've got complete gas mileage charts for ever car I've owned over the last few years thanks to that site.

    The site was created by the American government, it's been around for years, and it's openly available to any American smart enough to conjure the phrase "Fuel Economy" and plug it into Google.

    Not everything needs to be stickered to the damn car... I'm sure you friendly neighborhood car salesman would be happy to give you the sheet that explains all this information about the car too. Don't assume that the only information available is only what's fed to you in TV ads...

  9. I have used this site to track my last two cars by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Informative

    and will be using it to track my latest.

    The first car I tracked was a 2007 Civic Coupe EX, manual transmission. The second was a 2008 Mazda Miata SE. Without bouncing to the site to check the Miata was rated at 21c and 28h. In my two years of recorded mileage I never fell below 27 in a mix of city and highway travel; I have a 26 mile commute mixed between 35 and 55 with no interstate. I peaked at 33 during summer months and fell into the 27 range during winter where besides the cold requiring the engine to run rich I needed the compressor to run the defroster.

    My newest addition, a 2010 VW Golf TDI with manual transmission shows that others have never been as low as the EPA predicted mileage which is 30c and 41/42h. I have yet to finish my first tank and the car's computer shows 38 miles per gallon.

    Why all the fuss? Well the facility is there and it gives me a nice reference to see how my car reacts to seasons and how it reacts to age to include over all miles traveled. It provides a nice little log so I can also see fluctuations in fuel prices without having to rely just on my memory; like what was the price of gas in June 2008.

    While many cars are not represented it does appear those with cars known to get good mileage do post their numbers more often. I have been surprised while browsing some vehicles to see just how low the mileage ratings are for many popular sedans, in many cases not better than many SUV/CUV types that people love to vilify.

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  10. In the rest of the world by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Outside the US & UK, fuel consumption for cars, trucks, etc, is normally expressed as Liters per 100 kilometers. This completely avoids the non-issue that TFA is grumbling about, even for innumerate consumers, since the numbers represent fuel used in a trip of 100km.
    10 miles per US gallon = 23.52 L/100km (mind-bogglingly bad)
    20 miles per US gallon = 11.76 L/100km (very bad)
    33 miles per US gallon = 7.13 L/100km (OK for SUV, not so good for a car)
    50 miles per US gallon = 4.7 L/100km (good for medium or large car, not so good for compact car)

    FWIW, my Mercedes diesel stationwagon uses about 5.5 L/100km for mixed city/rural driving, which is 42.8 mpg(US) or 51.4 mpg(UK).

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