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New Declassification Process To Open 400 Million Pages of Records

linzeal writes "The newly minted National Declassification Center has been tasked by President Obama with eliminating the backlog of more than 400 million pages of classified records that are more than 25 years old by the end of 2013. The National Archives has prepared a draft prioritization plan to guide its declassification activities, and has invited public input on the plan. A public forum on the subject will be held on June 23. This may be a bonanza for the community of historians and intelligence buffs who have been left without significant source material to work with, in some cases since WWII, especially in terms of any information on cryptography, image analysis, and espionage."

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  1. ya right by Izabael_DaJinn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Does anyone on /. honest believe anything seriously juicy or even particularly interesting would *ever* be released to the public. "Likelihood of Declassification – Factors include complexity of information, volume of tabs (exemptions, exclusions, referrals) and age of material. There are a number of lower level classified records which may lend themselves to quick turnaround, while other records contain classified information that must be protected under E.O. 13526 and will not result in significant public release."

    This is from: "THE NATIONAL DECLASSIFICATION CENTER Releasing All We Can, Protecting What We Must National Declassification Center Prioritization Plan" mmmk

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    1. Re:ya right by Peach+Rings · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Freedom of Information Act seems to be working pretty well despite resulting in mass humiliation for countless officials.

    2. Re:ya right by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone on /. honest believe anything seriously juicy or even particularly interesting would *ever* be released to the public.

      Depends on your definition of 'juicy' - this kind of information is a treasure-trove for historians. Not Nicholas Cage "National Treasure" 'historians' but the real guys who record the fundamentals of who/what/where/when/how and sometimes the why of our government operations. The motivation to over-classify is particularly strong - no one ever got sent to prison for not releasing a document. But keeping this stuff hidden has all kinds of long-term bad effects, such as an inability to learn from previous mistakes, duplication of effort and a bunch more stuff that isn't about malfeasance but is extremely important to healthy governance.

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    3. Re:ya right by Kenoli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not being 'seriously juicy or even particularly interesting' is probably the main reason many of them need to be declassified in the first place. Guarding worthless secrets is a waste of effort.

    4. Re:ya right by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wasn't too long ago that Project Oxcart was declassified, that was pretty juicy for me. Served as the precursor to one of the coolest, most impressive planes ever built.

    5. Re:ya right by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does anyone on /. honest believe anything seriously juicy or even particularly interesting would *ever* be released to the public.

      That depends on your definition of interesting. There's lots of material that is still classified that would never make the evening news when it's released, but which would be of considerable interest to historians, economists, engineers, geeks, etc... etc...
       
      Just because it doesn't cause a scandal doesn't mean it's not important or interesting.

    6. Re:ya right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does anyone on /. honest believe anything seriously juicy or even particularly interesting would *ever* be released to the public.

      Cool stuff gets declassified all the time. The Los Alamos Primer was a pretty awesome read, and it was declassified in 1965 - only 20 years after the bomb was invented.

      If you'd like something more recent, how about the SR-71 Blackbird Flight Manual?

    7. Re:ya right by linzeal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are not releasing documents that even have one word of classified information on them, to err that far on the side of caution and refuse to attempt any redaction before releasing to the public means we are likely to be waiting till the next world war to read some of the documents from the second one.

    8. Re:ya right by HotBBQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As someone who holds a DoD security clearance I can assure you that nothing juicy will be released. This isn't because it would be harmful, but because 99.9% of classified material is spectacularly devoid of anything interesting.

  2. So everything about JFK & Marylin Monroe death by ymmv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So everything about JFK & Marylin Monroe deaths ?

  3. A move in the right direction by alfredos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that previous posters don't have a point, but transparency in governments has to start somewhere. Far from perfect, late, and everything else, but at least it's a start.

  4. Kill it with FIRE by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...eliminating the backlog of more than 400 million pages of classified records..."

    Sounds like a job for FIRE!

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  5. Re:ok everyone by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

    Conspiracy theorists, start your engines! There's gonna be enough red herrings and other tidbits of fodder to keep them going until the next "great document declassification dump" comes along. Enjoy!

  6. Re:That's a lot of black Sharpies by Jeng · · Score: 4, Funny

    No worries, that's what they have Adobe for.

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  7. Re:25 years? Let's go 25 months... by Jeng · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could be something as nice as when we set up the Soviets natural gas pipeline to blow by providing them sabotaged parts. Something that we couldn't really fess up to at the time, but now we parade it as one of the covert successes of the cold war.

    Could be something as wrong as Iran-contra.

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  8. They said I was crzy by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, you'll all see that there *were* aliens at Roswell. "Those Air Force bases were just testing secret aircraft and spy-gear," you said. "The military cover-ups were to keep the Soviets from finding out about our secret spying programs," you said. "It's no coincidence that all those UFO sightings just happened to be around secretive military bases at the height of the Cold War," you said. "Move out of my basement," my Mom said.

    Now you'll all see, and you'll finally respect me for realizing that the most obvious explanation for strange lights around Air Forces bases and secretive military coverups during the Cold War-era was that we were being visited by aliens who had traveled across the vast distances of interstellar space to shove probes up our asses.

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  9. Re:25 years? Let's go 25 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Agent A recruits Agent B recruits Agent C... Agent A retires and it is disclosed that he is an agent. Agent B had contact with Agent A and is therefore suspect and Agent C may be exposed by this. Similarly breaking Nazi encryption was kept secret because the mistakes allowing to be broken could be made with other ciphers and used to break them. 25 years is about the time after which we can assume the "bad guys" know anyway.

  10. National Security by kaoshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how many black magic markers that takes.

  11. Re:25 years? Let's go 25 months... by c++0xFF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Twenty-five years is a ridiculous amount of time to keep things from the people that you were elected to represent. Please someone, anyone, name me an item from 1984 that would have ended the world as we know it were it discovered prior to this year.

    Rockets

    We certainly don't want N. Korea to have our 1984-level rocketry capability, now do we?

    Atomic Weapons

    1984 atomic bombs are just as deadly ... why should we give Iran a leg-up?

    Spies

    Do we still have spies in place from the cold war? If it a long time to get them into place, you might as well leave them there for as long as possible.

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    That said, 25 years is a long time for most things, and I believe the above have exceptions so that they wouldn't be released anyway. But maybe it's better to set a definite time period that's sufficient for most things than to make it too short.

  12. Re:ok everyone by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's a hipocrate? A big box of short hippos?

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  13. That's a big tiwnkie... by HaeMaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The amount of documentation that the NDC considers of high public interest but difficult to declassify is 151,793 cubic feet of paper.

    That is a cube 1/10 of a mile on each side. Accoring to a random estimate on the internet, a cubic foot of paper is approximately 9.24 reams of paper (500 sheets). So, 151,793 cubic feet of paper is about 700 million sheets.

    That's a big twinkie.

  14. Don't feel bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't feel bad about the long time between when the events occurred and when they become declassified. In Canada, things like invoices and reciepts from world war two are kept classified for 35 years. Operational histories of events are published after 45 years (troop movements, etc). Senior staff orders at the secret level are kept classified up to 65 years, and top secret stuff is kept for 85 years (if its kept at all). Secret length is directly proportional to how juicy the bits of tid are.

  15. Obama, giving our national secrets to terrorists? by s122604 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I give fox news about a day, to come up with story that implies that this means that Obama is wreckless, hates America, etc...

    surely with a headline as stupid as what I came up with

  16. Copyright vs Classified by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't it wrong when copyrighted material is protected longer than classified government secrets...

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    1. Re:Copyright vs Classified by grahamd0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...copyright has a finite length and automatically expires...

      In theory. We'll see about that the next time a corporate copyright is close to expiration.

    2. Re:Copyright vs Classified by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was the last copyright extension...

      A quick look at google/Wikipedia, and it appears that the next expiration date for "Steamboat Willie" is around 2019, so that's when "limited time" will be redefined yet again.

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  17. Re:ok everyone by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Conspiracy theorists, start your engines!

    Quite the contrary. Conspiracy theorists, run for the hills!

    You're all going to look interminably foolish when it comes out you were borked by transparently simplistic CIA misinformation campaigns.

  18. Oh boy! by nsaspook · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, all the KGB blackmail porn was on Betamax tapes. The transcribed copies might still be in there somewhere.

    http://english.pravda.ru/fun/2002/07/08/32009.html

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  19. What I want declassified by LeepII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I would like declassified is the Nov 1941 intercepts of the Japanese fleet. The United States had cracked the Japanese code early in 1941, and you can read transcripts of their radio messages up to July-August of 1941, then nothing. What could still be vital to national security that over 70 years later it is still classified?