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Bill Gates's New Version of the Einstein Letter

dcblogs writes "In 1939, Albert Einstein sent 'F.D. Roosevelt, President of the United States,' a letter with a warning about Germany's interest in a new type of energy with potential for use as a powerful bomb. The letter also outlined the competitive threat posed by Germany and steps for improving US research efforts. Last week, Bill Gates, along with GE's CEO and others, met with President Obama to deliver their own message: that of the top 30 companies in the world working on alternative energy, only four are in the US. Similar to Einstein's point and recommendations, Gates and his allies are asking the US to view the alternative energy push as a competitive threat posed by other nations, particularly China, which may be doing a better job in bringing its engineering talent and money to bear on this problem."

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  1. Can You Spot the Difference? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Einstein wrote of specific people and experiments. Gates does not.

    Einstein warned of a horrible weapon. Gates is warning us that the most environmentally ravaged countries might be developing alternative energy (may god have mercy on our souls, lol).

    Einstein acted alone and was not heavily invested in nuclear energy. Gates and his friends are heavily invested in alternative energy sources.

    I'm no biographer of either but from what I know Einstein seemed to be motivated by things like the discovery of knowledge and genuine concern for mankind. Gates has (at least historically) seemed to be motivated by profit and money first above everything else with ideals similar to Einstein distantly following that primary motivator. Maybe he's changed but Einstein has always held a more altruistic image in my mind. That tends to happen to people long gone who made staggering advancements. Who knows, maybe revisionist history will see Gates alongside Einstein? But as it stands now, my personal opinion is that the two are not even close.

    Bottom line: Einstein was a scientist who made great discoveries. Gates was a businessman who made great sales.

    I'm not sold on Gates' motives. He sounds more like a lobbyist than a sage omen of caution like Einstein was.

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    1. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah its hardly the same. Comparing a letter that warns of Germany possessing a massive advantage in killing to one that warns a few US companies might lose their monopolies is stupid. If they want to advance research into alternative energy why don't they fund it? Without reading the recommendations I'm betting they're along the lines of subsidies, tax breaks & easing restrictions that prevent these companies maximizing profits.

      Notice also that this is about alternative energy companies. If they want the US to look into alternative energy try getting the government to sign and ratify the Kyoto Protocol. That would force companies into looking at alternative energy. They're comfortable selling people non-renewable energy while constantly increasing prices due to scarcity so things will never change.

      From their webpage they seem to want investment of $16 billion a year in alternative energy. Just the 7 listed on the front page have a combined equity of around $400 billion and yet they aren't willing to use that to fund it themselves.

    2. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But in the long run, economic strength is more fundamental than military strength (which is just a side effect of economic strength). What is more fundamental to economic strength than affordable energy? The free ride of pumping it straight from the ground is coming to an end, and we are not preparing.

    3. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Einstein lacked the resources to do it himself, nor did he stand to benefit in the same way Gates does here. Gates may well be right, but when someone owns/invests in a company that does X and tells you we should invest in X, but he does not want to spend more of his own money doing it, it is time to be suspicious.

    4. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by russotto · · Score: 5, Informative

      At the time, Einstein was just a lobbyist too. He only became a "sage omen of caution" in retrospect.

      No, Einstein was the sage even at the time, which is why Szilard got him to sign the letter.

    5. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How so?
      He seems to tie his donations to governments not competing with the drugs the companies he is invested in sell. The deal seems to be they get some free medicine for guaranteed IP protection.
      He also seems to have only started this quite recently, much like Rockefeller and his guilt driven giving.

    6. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by mewsenews · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bottom line: Einstein was a scientist who made great discoveries. Gates was a businessman who made great sales.

      Simply trying to compare Gates to Einstein reeks of arrogance. Gates is a Rockefeller or, at best, an Edison. He's a titan of industry rather than a luminary thinker.

      Trying to paint a cut-throat businessman as some sort of visionary is ridiculous and insulting. This is like proposing to have Stephen Hawking at the helm of reconstruction at General Motors..

    7. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by goldspider · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "He also seems to have only started this quite recently, much like Rockefeller and his guilt driven giving."

      No self-respecting Slashbot would ever acknowledge the possibility that Gates simply waited until he had the means (capital) to accomplish something more meaningful than cutting a $20 monthly check to Feed the Children.

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    8. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by sourcerror · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually you're totally wrong.

      Einstein acted alone and was not heavily invested in nuclear energy. Gates and his friends are heavily invested in alternative energy sources.

      "The Einstein–Szilárd letter was a letter sent to United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 2, 1939, that was signed by Albert Einstein but largely written by Leó Szilárd in consultation with fellow Hungarian physicists Edward Teller and Eugene Wigner."

      Szilárd had a patent on nuclear chain reaction.
      Szilárd and Fermi had patent on nuclear-power plant design.

    9. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do not appear to be aware of the impact of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates_foundation

      Saying that Bill Gates is one of the greatest philanthropists alive today is an opinion that is shared by many individuals. For 16 years now he and his wife have worked hard and funded significant projects in health, human services, and education across the globe.

      When you are one of the richest men in the world, money is no longer a driving concern, Legacy is. Do you think Bill Gates wants to be remembered as "A rich man who's corporate leadership drove Microsoft to become a household name", or as "A philanthropist who helped to usher in an age of carbon free power generation". 70 years from now, will we think of him as a visionary who paved the way for vast technological advances, or will he be relegated to history as just another rich guy?

      I would hazard a guess that he would blow his savings, sell his mansions, and unload the stocks if it meant he could have the kind of name recognition and positive connotation that Einstein has now, half a century after his death. And in order to achieve that state, he's going to have to do some extremely impressive and good things.

      Lets hope that his work in alternative energy is one of them.

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    10. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by roaddemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think a comment like that needs to be backed by some references.

    11. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He should get credit for waiting until he stole enough money before he engaged in self-serving ostentatious displays of philanthropy?

    12. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by e2d2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You really do touch on something important. Energy powers the war machine. For instance, the US strategic energy reserve is for a massive war, not to heat homes in the winter. The current US doctrine is centered around ensuring access to energy resources. The two are linked, they are inseparable. An Army may run on it's stomach but fighter jets fly on fossil fuel. Alternative energy is the key to getting everyone to be better global citizens. Resource wars are a very real thing.

    13. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does donating so much of his money and time to fighting Aids help his profit margin?

      Because that money is usually tied to buying US patented drugs at stupidly inflated prices. I dont have the link but I read somewhere
      that more lives were saved before when they used copies of patented drugs than now with his 'donations'.

      but he has donated more of the money he screwed out of us than I think just about anyone.

      Fixed that for you.

      Funny how people forget about the positive aspects a person possesses when it do much easier an convenient to just complain about them.

      Yes we should just ignore how he got where he did and what it has cost us just because he donated some of it.

    14. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gates himself is under no such illusion, only the writer of the article. But Gates does know a thing or two about how to motivate politicians. And he *certainly* knows the tech industry (you know, the people who will have to develop this technology). Combine that with his well-respected reputation for philanthropy and you could have a lot worse advocates on your side for something like this than Mr. Gates. He may have a nasty reputation on /., but to the general public there are very few leaders in technology that command the kind of instant respect and name-recognition that he does.

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    15. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by b0bby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In addition, the fact that Warren Buffet thought that the Gates Foundation was doing such a good job that he has them handling his money too makes me think that they are probably pretty good at what they do...

    16. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, Einstein was the sage even at the time, which is why Szilard got him to sign the letter.

      Ah, I see you actually know the history!

      Leo Szilard may well have been the greatest mind of the 20th century. He was so damn smart most people never heard of him! And he wasn't severely mentally ill, either - the other thinkers of his time (Tesla, for example) were pretty much bonkers.

    17. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by goldspider · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I'll throw out the inflammatory and un-referenced accusation. YOU prove it for me!"

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    18. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...Einstein gave us special and general relativity. Bill Gates gave us Bob.

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    19. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem I have with this is old Bill could pay for this with the change from his couch but what he wants is a "Goldman Sachs" where if it doesn't work YOU pay, and if it does HE profits! Basically we are talking another scam, oh and for those talking Kyoto? Look up "carbon credit scam" and see how many are already scamming crap and trade, and then think how much worse it would be if it went nationwide. Caps are fine, crap and trade is a scam.

      If he is soooo concerned, why don't he show his patriotism and put his money where his mouth is? Oh right, it's about blowing other people's money, and raking the profits in for yourself. Fuck off Billy, you may have been a good businessman when it came to selling Windows, but you always were a greedy little bastard and apparently still are.

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    20. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the real truth is that he only met Warren Buffet recently.

      Warren Buffet is as rich as Bill Gates but is a genuinely nice (and humble) guy. He lives in a normal house and drives a normal car (until it wears out!)

      OK, he owns a Gulfstream jet, but let's not hold that against him, he's the biggest philanthropist in history and he's had a big influence on BIll Gates over the last decade.

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    21. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by burnin1965 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dark cloud over good works of Gates Foundation
      In a contradiction between its grants and its endowment holdings, a Times investigation has found, the foundation reaps vast financial gains every year from investments that contravene its good works.

      Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Holdings Outperforming S&P 500 Handily
      It is also overweight Healthcare, Consumer Staples and Industrials. The Foundation is underweight Telecom, Consumer Discretionary and Energy, and it has a 0% weight in Technology, Utilities and Materials.

      The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Owns Over 7 Million Shares of BP

      Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Buys CSX Corp., M&T Bank Corp., XTO Energy Inc. Mcdonald's, Devon Energy Corp., Sells Johnson & Johnson
      These are the top 5 holdings of Bill Gates

            1. Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK-B) - 1,251,250 shares, 48.36% of the total portfolio
            2. McDonald's Corp. (MCD) - 6,867,500 shares, 5.27% of the total portfolio
            3. Canadian National Railway Company Fully (CNI) - 8,399,653 shares, 4.82% of the total portfolio
            4. Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) - 4,285,000 shares, 4% of the total portfolio
            5. Costco Wholesale Corp. (COST) - 6,128,000 shares, 3.74% of the total portfolio

      Is this a philanthropic venture or a tax evasion investment scheme?

      I do commend Gates for what he is doing but I would not go so far as to slobber all over him for his philanthropic works considering his past illicit activity that played a significant role in providing him with the funds to become a philanthropist.

    22. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did you ever notice how many of our great physicists were running from the Nazis? Einstein, Szilard, Teller, probably dozens of lesser scientists. I've always wondered: If the Nazis would have succeeded in getting those scientists, would we have developed the bomb? Was it inevitable, or did it take getting all those super minds in the right place at the right time?

      We know that despite what was said during the Manhattan project that the Nazis were far enough behind on Atomic research they may have never built a working bomb, and Japan was wasting time looking at "death rays". The only real advantage the Nazis had by the end was rockets (which we pulled a brain drain thanks to Operation Paperclip) so it always makes me wonder how much different our world would have been if the NSDAP had never existed.

      As for TFA the ONLY way I would go for it is if ALL patents created using tax dollars belong to We, The People. But knowing the way business "works" here in the USA today they more likely want mama government to take all the risks, while they take all the spoils. Yeah, no thanks.

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    23. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

      The fact that buy taking his money you are now agreeing to the patents on other drugs. These drugs then are sold and that is how this makes money.

    24. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by mea37 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ooooookay, let's start by exploring just waht a "foundation" is. The applicable definitions would be:

      a : funds given for the permanent support of an institution : endowment; b : an organization or institution established by endowment with provision for future maintenance

      (emphasis added)

      In other words, a foudnation is precisely an organization that has an endowment of seed money, invests that money, and uses income from such investment to do some sort of work (in this case, charitable work) perpetually. Typically some of the investment income is reinvested in the foundation (rather than 100% of the income going to do work), as this helps ensure perpetual operation and can even cause the foundation's strength to increase over time.

      An organization that doesn't invest, but rather does its work directly with the money it takes in from donors or other revenue streams, is not a foundation.

      So pointing out that the foundation invests in profitable things and therefoer concluding that it's a tax scam is entirely misguided. If you want to distinguish a charitable foundation from a tax scam, look for an outbound revenue stream into the founders' pockets. If you have evidence of that, then there's something to talk about.

      Your first link represents a dillema that every successful investor with a diverse portfolio has to deal with. Your second and fourth links only show that they are good stewards of their seed money. Your third link is such trivially emotional crap that it barely deserves comment.

    25. Re:Can You Spot the Difference? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I read somewhere that more lives were saved before when they used copies of patented drugs than now with his 'donations'.

      You read something garbled then. The donations do save lives, this is not in dispute. The problem is the cost that they come with. The B&MGF buys the patented drugs, but the drug companies only provide them on the condition that the receiving countries sign treaties with the USA introducing US-style patent laws. This means that the country can then not buy (or locally produce) cheaper, generic, patent-infringing, versions of the drugs. As a (wholly unintentional, of course) side effect, the new treaties also make it possible for companies like, for example, large software firms, to enforce their copyrights and software patents in the countries that have received this aid.

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  2. What? by Concern · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is this, a planned economy? Why is Bill Gates is begging for communist government help?

    Obviously, the free market will just solve this problem on its own, in the process continuing to make America the greatest nation in the world.

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    1. Re:What? by cacba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The free market is notoriously short sighted. This is one of the areas governments are needed.

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The free market is great for some things, not so great for others. Table top cold fusion? Sure. A 27 kilometer in circumference particle accelerator? Not so much. Some projects require the expertise and products from many companies from many different industries. No single company or coalition of companies would be able to pool their resources to accomplish something like the LHC.

      You are simply railing against the free market and are looking for any angle in any story to do such.

    3. Re:What? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems like you are being sarcastic, but there is no need. Big businessmen have never been friends of the free market, they have always been only too happy to lobby for as much taxpayer money as they can lay their hands on. It's the conflict of interest I am worried about here. If it was some non-profit environmentalist group that was lobbying for government money I could understand, but not when it's the people who have most to gain financially from such investment.

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  3. We're on the wrong track. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wind energy this, Solar energy that. It's all fantasy dreamed up by hippies. It may or may not be able to meet a high percentage of our energy needs at some point in the future.

    Nuclear power is here now. We know it works. We know it's safe, if done right. Sure, it's expensive, but if we'd invested a few trillion in nuclear power over the last 30 years ago we'd have ended up saving a shitload on foreign wars, cost to the environment from oil spills and pollution, etc...

    At the rate we're going now, nothing will have changed 20 years from now. Instead, we need to start building nuclear plants and investing in research on portable power like fuel cells so we can use that nuclear power outside of the main power grid.

    1. Re:We're on the wrong track. by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wind energy this, Solar energy that. It's all fantasy dreamed up by hippies. It may or may not be able to meet a high percentage of our energy needs at some point in the future.

      Wind and Solar will never meet a high percentage of our energy needs, at least not in the foreseeable technical future. People simply don't understand the scale of which modern society uses energy. I figured out not too long ago that to convert the world to solar power, using generous assumptions, it would take a space-based solar array the size of the entire state of California. And compared to space-based solar, wind power is a joke.

      People need to figure out that there are only two viable sources of energy: burning carbon-based fuels, or nuclear. And nuclear probably means fission. It's entirely possible that fusion will never happen because of the insane engineering practical challenges that we haven't even started to try and deal with. We aren't even far enough along to hit those brick walls.

      But we keep looking for the magical energy fairy to solve our problems...

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    2. Re:We're on the wrong track. by Improv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chances are we'd still intervene in foreign wars for humanitarian and business reasons, for as long as we have the economic and military prominence allowing us to do so.

      It's possible that if we had managed to dig up those sums back then we'd have it, we don't really know that for sure but it would've been nice to find out.

      Chances are we'll have a mix of wind/solar and nuclear energy - these things arn't fantasies - they work and are cost-effective in some circumstances. Unless these hippes you mention are the kind of hippies that get engineering, physics, and materials science degrees and actually put these technologies into practice, I suspect you're selling those technologies short. The issue isn't that they're not worthwhile, the issue is that since the 50s Americans have been skeptical of long-term thinking and terrified of central planning, leaving us with really lousy infrastructure, a discinclination to improve it, and a community of people who deny reality and work to discredit any studies that show that we fell off the right track when we stopped investing in infrastructure and the sciences and that other countries have surpassed us in many of these areas even when we have the resources of almost an entire continent and a massive population to bear on these problems.

      Still, I fundamentally agree with you that we should be investing a lot more in nuclear power - an emphasis on fusion research combined with our standard fission plants in areas not well-covered by something better (not every community has a Hoover Dam) would pollute less and were we to actually have nice ways to transform and store that energy and were our automotive industry to migrate to electic cars, the strategic and economic benefits could be profound.

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    3. Re:We're on the wrong track. by somaTh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree that nuclear is a very viable current solution to our energy problems, it still fails to address the long-term problem. Fossil fuels and nuclear fuels have the same problem: limited supply. The Peak Oil concerns of today are swapped with finding caches of nuclear fuels tomorrow. I realize I'm probably looking a little too far down the road, but it would be nice to know that we're not just reacting to problems, but anticipating them.

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    4. Re:We're on the wrong track. by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All good experts talk about an "energy mix"- any over-dependence on a single source of energy is just asking for trouble- be it market volatility, or resourcing troubles, or whatever.

      Solar seems particularly enticing as a micro-generation source. Photovoltaic cells have zero moving parts making them perfect for domestic use, by people who don't want to be on active maintenance alert. If every house in the country had a set of solar panels, that's a whole lot of energy being generated. You're completely right that it won't be 100% of what's needed, or even remotely close, but it still replaces a good swathe of power plants.

      Same goes for other "opportunistic" renewables. You might not be able to get 100% of your energy from hydro, but if you've got a good spot for a dam, you might as well dam it and reap the rewards.

    5. Re:We're on the wrong track. by drooling-dog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... the "hippies" are part of some monolithic organization that meets in a cave every year to decide what they're all required to believe? Just because Catholics and Republicans work that way doesn't mean everybody does...

  4. looking for a grant? by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand this, the people who wrote this 'letter' to the president are rich, look at the names. So they can start a company to create new energy production facilities etc. but they decide to write to the administration as if it is as urgent as a nuclear weapon about to be created and unleashed by a warmonger. Einstein obviously was concerned about a new weapon that Germany could develop and use to completely dominate the globe, Gates and Co. looks like are hoping for the government to get into yet another money laundering scheme.

    If these guys think their ideas are worth a try and may work they should invest their money, they'll be rich beyond their wild dreams (hard to do, considering who they are, but still).

    BP is getting billions of dollars from government contracts of all kinds, looks like this new initiative is about the same thing.

    Build factories and make your energy generating equipment and see if you can compete with it and deliver something people will buy, why are you trying to involve the administration into this? The only thing that comes to mind is yet another money laundering scheme, a Halliburton/BP level scheme.

  5. Last stage by javilon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazing. Just five years to go from:

    China, they just can make cheap copies of western technology
    to
    China, they are starting to compete with western products
    to
    China is ahead on R&D

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  6. Re:NIMBY by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. I am absolutely for it. It could replace that coal power plant down the way that's spitting nuclear, gaseous, and particulate pollution into the air. If properly built, nuclear power is very safe.

    Sure, it costs a shitload of money to build and properly maintain a nuclear power plant but all we're doing now is just pushing that cost into poor air quality, possibly global warming, foreign wars, a high dependence on the ups and downs of oil/natural gas prices, etc...

  7. This is so NOT Einstein's letter by TheSync · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First: Einstein's contribution to the letter was mainly signing it - it was really authored by Leó Szilárd with contributions from Edward Teller and Eugene Wigner.

    Second: The atomic bomb is a weapon that could only be created by a government and should only be used by a government and is not be provided to others.

    Energy technology can be produced by private industry, used by private industry, and will be traded on the free market to everyone. Even if a Chinese company develops the technology, we (and others) will be able to purchase it and benefit from it. On the other hand, the atomic bomb was not going to be sold to China (or Japan, for that matter, who was ruthlessly occupying China).

    One could argue that the US government "should play its part" in solving the global externality of greenhouse gas emission by throwing tax dollars at researchers, but that is a different issue.

  8. Bill always expected to give away his money by Xoc-S · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 1994, Bill Gates gave an interview to Playboy. He stated then that he was going to give away his money. In it he says:

    PLAYBOY: Does your net worth of multi-billions, despite the fact that it's mostly in stock and the value varies daily, boggle your mind?

    GATES: It's a ridiculous number. But remember, 95 percent of it I'm just going to give away. [Smiles] Don't tell people to write me letters. I'm saving that for when I'm in my 50s. It's a lot to give away and it's going to take time.

    PLAYBOY: Where will you donate it?

    GATES: To charitable things, scientific things. I don't believe in burdening any children I might have with that. They'll have enough. They'll be comfortable.

    http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/billgates/l/blbillgatesint5.htm