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Where Does IT Fall Within Your Organization?

ros256 writes "I help out a relatively small (100 employees) medical device company that does not have a dedicated IT department. Instead the network admin reports to a manager in the Clinical department. Although this seems unusual to me, the organization isn't really structured at this point to have IT staff report to a department more relevant to the work they do. I've been giving thought as to where within the organization would make more sense. So, I pose this question to the Slashdot community: Where does IT fall within the organizations you work with?"

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  1. Few places... by nametaken · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few places I've worked IT fell under Operations, the same people that keep the lightbulbs changed, the warehouse shipping and the driveway plowed.

    Presently I work at a smaller business, where I represent the department. I'm lateral to Operations Director, sales director, etc and report directly to the President and VP.

    1. Re:Few places... by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the same people that keep the lightbulbs changed, the warehouse shipping and the driveway plowed.

      That makes sense, assuming "setting an employee up with a computer" to be comparable to "setting employee up with a desk". I've seen some companies where IT operates under the Finance department. I've never really understood why, except maybe because early computer use in many companies was limited to accounting, and it stuck in Finance for legacy reasons. I've seen other companies where there's a dedicated IT department that traces up to the CIO, and it kind of runs independently.

      I think it depends on the company, but a lot of companies miss out by failing to integrate IT very well. They treat the IT support guy like a handy-man who is completely divorced from the company's strategy, and meanwhile the entire business is running on computers. Not that I object to the comparison between support personnel and a handy-man, but if the productivity of your company depends of effective and efficient use of computers, then you might want to involve some people in your strategic decision-making who understand computers really really well. I've seen companies ask employees to spend hours going through a process that a computer could automatically complete in minutes, just because they never bothered to ask the IT guy if there was a better way to go about things.

    2. Re:Few places... by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It has been structurally different in every company I've been in. Especially smaller ones. Sometimes IT reports to the CFO to keep costs in check. Sometimes to COO to get business processes automated and computerized. And if you're lucky you have a CTO who reports to the CEO/board but is free to make decisions.

      Most companies view IT as pure overhead and try to micromanage it's budget out of fear of excess spending. I can't blame them. Once upon a time all you paid for was an office and some basic office supplies. Now your yearly software license costs alone rival your rent.

      A better motivation would be to stick close to their IT department to make sure both sides understand what the businesses goals and visions are.

      "We want to mobilize out sales force"
      "We want a stronger web presence"
      "We want ensure 24/7 up time even in the case of a disaster"
      "We want to make X process and Y process work together more seemlessly using available technology"

      Getting lost in small details or second guessing the decisions of the IT people you pay to make IT decisions for you ends up hurting businesses. Like "Hey! Stop buying $100 antivirus software buy $19.99 ones!" If IT has to waste time cleaning viruses and reformating machines then they have no time to plan for future growth or to research solutions to real business problems. It stifles growth and wastes money in other areas.

    3. Re:Few places... by Urban+Nightmare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the way our company works.

      They don't want to involve IT because we ask to many hard questions like:
      "Who's going to use the system?"
      "Do we want to put that promotion on the web site or just in the news paper?"
      "Do we want to track our click through rate?"
      "Is there power and network available in that spot?" "

      You know, stuff that everyone else just doesn't understand.

    4. Re:Few places... by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have noticed that would you do mention potential problems, people see you as someone that is "not on board" or "not a team player." Sometimes they even go as far as to assume you are out to sabotage their brilliant plan.

      When it turns out you were correct, people opinions of you do not change and they either are upset that you predicted the problems and now want to avoid any mention of your existence or blame you for somehow causing the problems that caused their brilliant plan or reform to fail. Those people who had ignored your warnings will go back to the planning board but now without you.

      I now smile and try to seem enthusiastic about any plan, no matter how unfeasible or ill-conceived it may be. And I am doing better (professionally) for that attitude.

  2. Not sure how much this will help you specifically by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recommend reading The Geek Gap. It might give you some further insight into the topic (and, if nothing else, it might help your boss and their boss understand the importance of a proper department).

    I also would recommend anyone in an IT or management position to read that book. It's a great read that can be finished over a weekend.

  3. Where Does IT Fall Within Your Organization? by bragr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hopefully not to far, servers don't handle drops well. Keyboards seem to do alright though.

  4. Idiots by Tongsy · · Score: 5, Funny

    In my organization, it essentially stands for "Incompetent Technician"

  5. operations by Ubertech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm also in a smaller IT company (~140 ppl). We have a department of 6 and fall under the Operations area. When we were smaller, it was a wandering soul of a department, but now that we have an IT manager who really knows his stuff, it's great.

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  6. India by BatGnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    India

  7. well... by peteinok · · Score: 5, Informative

    since I work at a top-10 Fortune 500 company, IT is it's own dept. We do report up through the same executive structure as Accounting, Travel, etc. based on geography and who's located here vs. at HQ in another state.

  8. I'm at a university by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am at a university, and the computer science department has 5 IT staffers who simply report to the central IT office for the entire campus. Most of the large departments in science and engineering have one or two IT staffers who serve a similar role, but since CS has somewhat heavier computing needs, we are assigned extra people. Basically, the department's IT staff serve as points of contact: they do what is in their power when they can, or if they cannot, they forward the request up to the appropriate person. For example, when I received my new workstation, a university-wide asset number had to be assigned to it, and the CS department firewall had to be configured to allow SSH traffic to the machine; the IT staff forwarded the asset number request to the central office, and took care of the DNS entry themselves.

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  9. I had a management setup like this once... by supremebob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was the sole system administrator for a finance software development department in a big company, and reported directly to the manager of the finance team. She wasn't a technical person, and had an home office 1,500 miles away. Amusingly, I NEVER saw her in person for the 18 months that I worked for her.

    The good thing about working for her is that she didn't understand what I did, and didn't particularly care to learn. She didn't bother asking questions as to what I was up to, just assumed that I was doing a good job, and gave me great reviews every year. The flip side of that is that she didn't understand why we needed things like new equipment, new software, or training... which left me running the entire development department on 6 year old refurbished equipment that I could "borrow" from other departments.

    That said, it was a good time. I thought myself a lot of useful skills during my downtime, which made me a better sysadmin later on. I wish that I had more managers like that now :)

  10. Right next to the redheaded bastard stepchildren by DarthBart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When shit works right - "Why do we need an IT department? They're just an expense!"

    When shit breaks - "Why the hell are you using shit that has to be kept together with duct tape and bailing wire???"

  11. Re:Nowhere by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I worked at Freescale, there actually was no real IT department there: it was outsourced to an Indian company. They got paid based on the number of tickets resolved, so they were always trying to make up more work for themselves to do, such as creating tickets to set up IM on an employee's computer, or various other trivial tasks.

  12. IT should be infrastructure only by boristdog · · Score: 5, Informative

    IT infrastructure should be handled by an IT department (network, server & storage support, basic desktop supply and support) but it should NOT handle such things as database development and management, application development, etc.

    Unfortunately, many companies class anything to do with a computer as "IT" and treat a DBA the way they treat a desktop support flunky. Many times I have worked for organizations that decided to grab every departmental programmer or DBA and bring him/her into the IT department, to the severe detriment of the department he/she used to support.

    At one company I worked for they outsourced all the IT and made the programmers, DBAs, developers, etc. go work for the contractor. Lots of them quit and went to better jobs, so the contractor brought in many of their folks from India to fill the open positions. It was a disaster. Eventually most of the departments hired developers, DBA's, programmers, etc. of their own and just gave them all generic "Engineer" titles.

  13. Re:Right next to the redheaded bastard stepchildre by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    -or-

    When shit works right despite being underfunded: "Why are we paying so much for the IT department? They're just an enormous expense, but there's no benefit because everything is working anyway!"

    When shit breaks because of being underfunded, "Why are we paying so much for the IT department? They're just an enormous expense, but there's no benefit because they can't keep anything working!"

  14. Re:What is an IT department? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Users are pretty much self sufficient on Macs. End of story.

    Speaking as a man who once had the misfortune of supporting Macs, I can assure you this is not true at all. It may be true for the specific people you have in your organization, but that's about it. Dumb users are dumb and require hand-holding and fixing, no matter what platform you stick them on.

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    "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard