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NASA Says Moon Has More Water Than Great Lakes

jerryjamesstone writes "The US Great Lakes have some competition: the moon. Yes, that old thing in the sky may hold more than all of the water contained in the Great Lakes, according to a NASA-funded study. From the article: 'Scientists at the Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory in Washington, along with other scientists across the nation, determined that the water was likely present very early in the moon's formation history as hot magma started to cool and crystallize. This finding means water is native to the moon.'"

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  1. So wait... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There ARE whales?

    1. Re:So wait... by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      There _were_ whales. The whalers on the moon hunted them to extinction.

  2. Cheating Moon by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whereas the lakes are, well, lakes... the moon is a sort of kinda planet. Planets tend to be bigger than lakes, and therefore I call this cheating.

    Obviously, there are planets that are also a giant lake... the earth itself for example is quite wet. But those lakes we shall call oceans. So, oceans can compete with planets, but lakes can't. Ok?

    -- wait, that's no moon!

    1. Re:Cheating Moon by icebike · · Score: 5, Funny

      When "Dude" was last in vogue, Pluto was still a planet.

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  3. Don't they know that already? by Seriousity · · Score: 4, Funny

    In all seriousity, I thought they would have discovered this when they la-

    Oh wait, that's right, they never did.

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  4. Units by tomalpha · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much is that in terms of the size of a more standard unit of measurement ?

  5. The US great lakes? by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And here I thought the great lakes were in Canada as well.

  6. Re:Yes by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much Wisconsin does the moon have?

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  7. Re:but then... by cduffy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Transporting anything from the moon to the earth is so expensive that it likely isn't worth mining.

    Earth to the moon is really flippin' expensive, to be sure.

    Moon to the earth? It's called a GRAVITY WELL. Give things a kick, they come down on their own; all you need is enough casing to survive reentry. I'm not saying it's a solved problem, but it's a much, much easier one.

    Then again, I've read too much Heinlein. *grin*

  8. Putting things to scale... by art6217 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Volume of the Great Lakes ~22.5 *10^3 km^3 Volume of the Moon ~21.9 *10^9 km^3 So, the Moon contains even more than one teaspoon of water in 5 tonnes of rock.

    1. Re:Putting things to scale... by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, the Moon contains even more than one teaspoon of water in 5 tonnes of rock.

      Yeah, the article makes it clear that 50 parts per million is the highest estimate they can come up with. Also, it isn't water: it's hydroxyl (OH) groups on molecules in rocks, which is what you get when rocks forming in a wet environment.

      This is the way geologists talk about things, but still, the reporting is almost as misleading as the recent pack of lies from the people who brought you Iraqi WMD's claiming there is vast untapped mineral wealth in Afghanistan (which Stephen Peters, the head of the USGS’s Afghanistan Minerals Project, is strangely unaware of according to the linked article from the Times.)

      The discovery of hydroxyl groups in rocks on the moon at the 50 PPM level is scientifically interesting because previously lunar minerals were believed to be absolutely anhydrous: the way I was taught geology back in the day we were told "lunar minerals are just like Terrestrial minerals, except they have no water". That has now been changed to, "except they have almost no water". Ford Prefect would be pleased.

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  9. Re:but then... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Moon to the earth? It's called a GRAVITY WELL. Give things a kick, they come down on their own; all you need is enough casing to survive reentry. I'm not saying it's a solved problem, but it's a much, much easier one."

    You clearly don't know how this actually works. You can't just go straight down to earth, you have to aim quite precisely to make sure that you don't completely burn up. You also have to not land in the middle of times square or in the middle of an incredibly dangerous part of the ocean. Hauling a container (which I guess you think is really easy to build) full of some minerals (probably quite heavy due to size of container and density of anything worth mining) in the middle of 40 foot waves is a suicide mission.

    Of course, you still have to get this magic container up to the moon. The heavier it is, the more expensive it is. And as for "giving it a kick", well, you have to transport the boot up there too. Then you have to assemble, test, power, and use this boot. How do you expect to do that cheaply?

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  10. Re:"US" Great Lakes? by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The largest lake entirely within Canada is the Great Bear Lake. None of the Great Lakes are entirely in Canada, so none of them count. The deepest lake in Canada is Lake Manitou, which has an island inside it, and in that island there is a lake. That makes it the largest lake that's in an island that's in a lake in the world."

    Though, I would expect people living next door to the US to be used to its "US is the world" attitude by now.

  11. Re:libraries of congress... by atrain728 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The surface area of an ellipsoid (in this case, the moon) expands as it's diameter increases. Therefore, your math is off by more than a little bit.

    According to Wikipedia, the moon has a mean radius of 1,737.10km and has a volume of 2.1958E10 km^3.

    From your calculations, the great lakes have a volume of 22,560 km^3. Therefore, the volume of the great lakes times the number of books in the library of congress is 6.5424E11 km^3.

    If we add this volume to the volume of the moon, the volume of our new moon is 6.76198E11 km^3. Assuming the new moon takes on a spherical shape, we can get the new radius of the moon by using the formula for the volume of a sphere, V=4/3r^3. Therefore, we deduce that the new radius is 7,974.65km.

    Further assuming that the moon as it exists now settles in the center of this new waterworld relatively undisturbed, with it's mean radius remaining at 1,737.10km, we can calculate the mean depth of the water on the moon as 6237.55km.