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Flight of the Desktops

theodp writes "Slate's Farhad Manjoo has seen the future of computing, and it's looking mighty bleak for desktop computers. In the last decade, portable computers have erased many of the advantages that desktops once claimed while desktops have been unable to shake their one glaring deficiency — they're chained to your desk. Last year, sales of laptops eclipsed sales of desktops for the first time, and it's been projected that by 2015 desktops will constitute just 18% of the consumer PC market."

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  1. Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by Wee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If so, I'll buy the premise. If not, it's stupid.

    Oh, I'd like a mouse as well.

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    1. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's by theodp. Mindless speculation and unjustified hype. Just ignore it.

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    2. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, but:

      a) "Decent" laptops are way too heavy to carry around. Once you've tried a netbook there's no going back.

      b) You still have to plug them in if you're going to do a full day's work.

      c) You can't adjust distance between screen/keys or raise/lower the screen or tweak the ergonomics in any way.

      d) Nasty laptop keys vs. Model M ... you decide.

      The article may turn out to be correct for home users but it makes no sense at all in the corporate world.

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    3. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heck a better future form factor would be a small portable computer whose display outputs feed directly to your brain's auxiliary inputs. And it's main input comes from some device that reads your brain patterns. No physical display, keyboard or mouse (but it may have the connectors for those if necessary).

      That way you can just think (stuff between < > are your own personal thought macros/patterns that you've trained your auxbrain to recognize):

      <start><recall><object's pattern><do it><recall><another object's pattern><do it><end> followed by normal thought stream that's ignored by the computer.

      Of course if you only want to recall one object quickly you'd use:

      <start><recall><object's pattern><do it and end>

      The object could be a picture, audio, video, file, etc or even the computer's representation of a stream/group of thought patterns (based on what it reads from the sensor).

      As a result we might still have desktop computers since they would still be way more powerful, but notebooks, laptops and PDAs could vanish :).

      Of course the **AA would want DRM built in, so certain things might have limited recall ;).

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    4. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by swilver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and a foldable 24" screen and full-size keyboard?

    5. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by johnlcallaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's see .. I'm sitting in front of a desktop with 8GB of memory, a dual processor, two 22" monitors, a full sized ergonomic keyboard, and a Wacom pad.

      It's also got 4TB of disk space, 6 powered USB ports (4 in back of which 3 are in use, 2 in front of which I use one), memory card reader, DVD burner, and a cable-TV video card so I can also use it as a DVR. I copy all of my CDs/DVDs to it, and when I get a blu-ray player for my home theater, I think I'll go add a 1.5TB hard drive to the last slot.

      The case is an off-the-shelf case with room for 8 internal drives. I can swap out the entire motherboard, CPU, video card, network card, and any other component.

      Granted .. not many people need that. But I want that. Getting ready to upgrade to the next round of processors.

      My wife has both a very nice laptop and a so-so desktop. She uses the desktop most of the time because it's more comfortable to use and she doesn't have to plug/unplug the keyboard/mouse/monitor to sit comfortably and use it when she works. She'll use the laptop sometimes if we want to look up something on the web while watching TV, but for the most part it goes unused.

      In our house, the death of the desktop is far off. To get enough disk space I'd have to add some type of wired/wireless file server slowing. Until they make them with easily swapable components and they come with docking stations, I think the added cost of the needed components just isn't worth it.

      'But you already have a laptop' you say. No I don't, my wife does. She bought it because she wanted one, and has mentioned on more than one occasion that she shouldn't have spent the money because SHE NEVER USES IT!

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    6. Re:Does it have a monitor and full-size keyboard? by bazorg · · Score: 4, Funny

      My laptop is 7.5 pounds and it's got a 17" widescreen and a full keyboard + number pad. I've brought it to work with me most every day for the past 3 years and have never suffered a hernia or exhaustion or even noticed it.

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  2. bleak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My desktop has a far bigger screen than any mobile device would be comfortable with carrying. Two screens some of the time. A full sized keyboard and mouse, which is infinitely more useful than anything other than perhaps touchscreen, and even then beats it in some applications. It's far more powerful per dollar spent than any mobile device from the same year could be, a trend that is still true. It runs cooler, as it can have a near unlimited amount of fans.

    So, even though they can now theoretically match it, a mobile device would have a smaller screen, smaller keyboard, cost more or be less powerful. If it did have an equal sized screen, it'd be unwieldy.

    The only chance of beating my desktop a mobile device would have is when it's equally priced, transportable, but can be quickly and easily "docked" in so I can use my real screens, keyboard, mouse and speakers. I'm talking about a single override cable into a dock station here, not manually plugging and unplugging each one every time.

    1. Re:bleak? by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only chance of beating my desktop a mobile device would have is when it's equally priced, transportable, but can be quickly and easily "docked" in so I can use my real screens, keyboard, mouse and speakers. I'm talking about a single override cable into a dock station here, not manually plugging and unplugging each one every time.

      But these things have existed for years and years. The corporate world is full of 'em - docking stations abound to do precisely the job you're talking about.

      I'm currently sitting here with my last-gen (ie. non-unibody) MacBook Pro plugged into an external monitor, external keyboard, external speakers and an external mouse. It's one of the more clumsy of the laptops for doing this with, as no (sanely priced) docking station exists. Even so, it took me all of five seconds to do that - one USB cable, one monitor cable, one speaker cable. The PC world is better at this - shove it in your docking station and forget it exists.

      The only desktops I have in my house are specialised things - a Mac Mini for a media centre, an ancient PC sat inside an arcade machine to act as a MAME box. For straight-forward computing, I don't actually use desktops at all at home. Work is a different matter, but again I'm unusual in my computing needs at work and many many people could do fine, better even, with a laptop and a dock.

      Cheers,
      Ian

  3. I would guess by arcite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Desktops are magnitudes more powerful than what most people require from their computer these days. Probably more likely, the 'desktop' will morph into a server to manage all our files and wireless devices. I'm not about to surrender to 'cloud' just yet.

    1. Re:I would guess by Cwix · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not about to surrender to 'cloud' just yet.

      Your not the only one.

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  4. But that is now by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only chance of beating my desktop a mobile device would have is when it's equally priced, transportable, but can be quickly and easily "docked" in so I can use my real screens, keyboard, mouse and speakers.

    But that is most laptops today. If you really need a larger screen, you can use an external monitor. When you go to a fixed working location, you can have mice and keyboards and whatever all set up... the one thing you don't really need, is a great big CPU box.

    I personally don't even need any of that. I work entirely on a laptop, when I need more space well that's what virtual desktops are for. I find working without a mouse not hampering in the least.

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    1. Re:But that is now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think people who are comfortable with one or the other won't necessarily understand the other sides' attachment to their equipment of choice.

      I can't stand working on a laptop unless I happen to be "on the move", and then only for short periods. A docking station would help to some degree, so I do understand your point there.

      I can replace parts in my desktops, I prefer the full size keyboard and a useful mouse. The GPUs are superior to anything available in a laptop.

      In the end, it's just a preference.

    2. Re:But that is now by DavidTC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and anyone interested in anything more than browsing and IM'ing people pictures of their dicks

      That's right, this article is crazy, laptops will never get more that 90%-95% of the marketshare! Only the vast vast vast majority of people who just want to use the internet and run Word and store pictures will buy them! The tiny minority that actually upgrades their own computer won't buy them!

      Also, passengers cars will never catch on...how will people move around their pianos?

      Seriously, half the people here seem to be in a weird sort of denial. Probably because they either think their computer speed is directly related to penis size, or they consider the intelligence to upgrade their computer related to it.

      Sane people have realized desktop computers were going away for quite some time, as are the CPU-speed wars. Computers have, and will continue to, get lighter and quieter and more energy efficient, not faster. And, thus, laptops will continue plummeting in price.

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  5. News at 11 by wisty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTA, the article's only novel point is that "the cloud" will do the heavy lifting for gamers and professionals. Yeah right.

    Everything else is just the standard mainframe -> mini-computer -> desktop -> laptop -> iPad -> neural link and retinal implants meme that's been done to death more times than I care to count.

  6. No notebook in my near future. by guytoronto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dual 24" screens, one oriented as portrait. 8GB RAM (max 16GB). Upgradeable CPU. Two internal HDs, with space for two more. Upgradeable video card. Full-size keyboard with numeric keypad + trackball. Decent computer speakers. No notebook can offer that.

    1. Re:No notebook in my near future. by BoberFett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Near future, perhaps not. But what if you could take your iPhone/AndroidPhone version 15 and set it on your desk next to a a pair of monitors, keyboard and fancy speakers and this FuturePhone would detect the devices and ask if you want to use them as your display/input/sound devices. When you're done, just pick up your phone and walk away without skipping a beat.

      Give it 10 years, I could see this being how we work.

  7. Desktops last and are cheap to repair by LambdaWolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It will still be many years before laptops are as durable and easy to repair as desktop computers are. Laptops are built with everything crammed close together on the inside. Even a small kinetic shock can damage a part, as can minor overheating from a ventilation problem. Repairing them yourself is quite risky unless you're a hardcore hardware geek, and expensive if you have a pro do it.

    Desktops, conversely, have lots of empty space on the inside; they are easy to open up and reach into if you want to swap parts around or clean dust. (At least, the ones I've had are. I can't speak for Macs.) I've had the same desktop computer for six years. It's suffered a dead graphics card, a dead sound card, and a dust-choked fan that caused a CPU overheat. I repaired each of those problems in no more than a few hours each, and gave it a RAM upgrade too. I love my laptops too, but there's no replacement for having a machine you can safely upgrade yourself and won't break by dropping six inches. Laptops may outsell desktops but they won't drive them out of the market completely—at least, they'd better damn well not.

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  8. In other news by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's looking mighty bleak for cubicles too. Unlike mobile pieces of paper which can be written on pressed against the wall while standing in the hallway, a cubicle just takes up room and chains people to one place where their managers can easily sneak up on them.

    Projections indicate that by 2015, just 18% of white collar workers will have cubicles while the others will lurch aimlessly about the building, filling TPS forms while sitting on the floor of the lobby using each others' backs for support.

  9. Re:I still prefer desktops. by thePig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I also prefer desktops, but where I am from, (India), we do have power cuts quite often. Since there is no battery, it means that a UPS is a necessity. Also, here, most desktops do not sell with wireless adaptor - which means I have to buy the wireless adaptor separately.
    Now, considering all those, the price difference does not match up - and most UPS can carry 20 minutes worth of power, so compared to my laptop (4-5 hours battery on average), it does not even come close.

    I would guess that in India, one of the major reasons people shy away from desktops is because of these factors - many friends who moved from desktop to laptop - is because of this. Most have a desktop setup though - with multiple monitors and keyboard, and they dock their laptop to it.

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  10. proyections by papabob · · Score: 4, Informative

    just remember this ;)

  11. That's their main problems by Burz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The longer desktops last (and they're lasting longer than ever these days) the fewer sales the PC industry can make. And the lower the overall price tag on a system, the less wiggle room there is for taking on a margin.

    But I think the posted article has the wrong focus... Desktop vs. laptop is a non-issue because they both cater to the same "personal computing" way of doing things.

    The real drama is now between PCs and managed handhelds like iPhone, iPad, Android, etc. If all these smartphones end up with bigger-brother tablets that sell well, then PC culture will shrink and the new normal will be systems like iPad that operate within walled gardens that have an anti-Web bias.

    1. Re:That's their main problems by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > People are not engineers: they buy air conditioners, refrigerators and cars. Very few people can design, build and service them.

      It's not about being an "engineer". It's about taking responsibility for yourself and not buying into American anti-intellectualism where it's actually trendy to be helpless and stupid.

      It's so trendy to be helpless and stupid that you're discouraged from knowing enough to even recognize a well made device.

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  12. Re:What are these people smoking? I want some. by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But most people need neither portable use it anywhere, or heavy power. Laptops will sit on a desk quite happily, and can take an external mouse.

    Common tasks are email, word processing, spreadsheets, web browsing. Any games are likely to be budget games aimed at low end systems or systems from a few years back.

  13. I'm planning on switching back to desktops by fredmosby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After owning laptops exclusively for the last 5 years I'm planning on selling my laptop and buying a desktop. Ever sense I bought an iPad my laptop has been confined to my desk. There's no need to take it on trips, to the coffee shop, or use it in my living room anymore. I still need a computer for programming and graphics work, but I'm going to get a nice dual 24" monitor system with an extended keyboard and tons of RAM.

  14. Re:What are these people smoking? I want some. by risinganger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Finally somebody with a little clarity! I haven't read every comment in this thread but a pretty big sample and what almost every person (with very few exceptions) seems to be forgetting is that we don't represent the majority type of user. If you're machine is spending a significant amount of its time compiling or you ponder what RAID setup to use then you're not the common user!

    A laptop will be more than sufficient for the average user these days. I'm not saying the article isn't total rubbish but my seriously, some of the people here have to get a grip. We're tech geeks and our requirements from a computer aren't the same as Joe public.

  15. Re:Uh huh. by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 4, Funny

    The desktop will die one year before the year of linux on the desktop.

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  16. Apps that aren't compatible with DPI scaling by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yo grandma, 2002 called and wanted to let you know you can do this sweet thing called "DPI scaling"

    2002 also had something else to say: A lot of applications never got tested by their developers under DPI scaling, so they break in interesting ways.

  17. Re:ECC RAM by swilver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I noticed I got single bit errors during big copies (about 1 bit error / 100 GB copied). I could not find the cause, and I could only conclude the data being transferred was damaged in memory before being stored again to an error correcting medium (harddisk). The busses used for the transfers also use CRC/ECC so I don't think they could cause it.

    The problem was reproduceable (and different every time). Memory checks resulted in nothing.

    Since then I always verify the big copies. After upgrading to ECC RAM, I haven't seen anymore verify errors.

    Whether I had bad RAM, or some other problem, I don't know. I do know that the price difference between a regular system and one that can support ECC RAM is very small.

  18. Re:I still prefer desktops. by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's some commute! Do you use the chunnel or do you fly?

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