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Bill Gates Doesn't Work At Microsoft Anymore

itwbennett writes "The recent Fortune article on Bill Gates' post-Microsoft life made one thing very clear to blogger Steven Vaughan-Nichols: 'Bill Gates was, and still is, the face of Microsoft. What Microsoft doesn't want you to know though is that Gates has almost nothing to do with the company anymore.' The fact is that Microsoft doesn't want to draw attention to Gates' absence because the company 'has been tanking in recent years,' says Vaughan-Nichols. 'While Microsoft's last quarter was far better than it was a year ago, thanks largely to Windows 7 finally picking up steam, neither Microsoft's growth nor its profits are what they were like when Gates was at the helm.'"

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  1. Joke of the day by g253 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft is in such a bad shape, it would be good for them if people thought Bill Gates still worked there :-)

    1. Re:Joke of the day by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only are they massively profitable, they are continuing to grow. Apparently growth means tanking.

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    2. Re:Joke of the day by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      your not thinking like an investor.
      Are they growing by more than 8% per quarter! then they are FAILING!

      Screw this long term planning stuff, strip R&D, lay off most of your developers and outsource your coding to a cheaper country. We need you to show much improvement next quarter, so my stock will go up a point or two!

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    3. Re:Joke of the day by Forge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This isn't such a joke.

      Hate him or Loath him, Gates was a Geek. While he was at Microsoft he actually did some coding. Not the most elegant code mind you but it compiled most of the time and ran only a little less often.

      Because of this the other geeks at MS (shock and horror, they actually employ thousands) folowed his orders without question, the way soldiers folow a battle scarred General.

      Without him, that voice of command is gone and none too soon as the core software and business model itself are under threat from OSS.

      What is that Business model? Manipulate everything from OEM deals to hardware prices so that the cheapest way to do most of the normal computer work in a normal office or home is to use your products. This was fine when they were competing with the likes of Lotus, IBM, Apple, and Sun.

      Some of those companies are still around, but now you can buy cheep PC Hardware with Free Software and be ahead of the price curve. Investors see growth slowing and about to reverse and are jumping ship in droves.

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    4. Re:Joke of the day by Compholio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd like to know where you got your financial education. I think you need to get a refund. And maybe kill yourself.

      As an outsider to investment, it seems to me like this happens a lot with large public companies. It appears that investors get really upset when profits this year are less than profits last year (even if profits are huge) and they encourage the company to start sacrificing long-term stability for short-term income.

    5. Re:Joke of the day by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think OP seriously overestimates the threat of OSS of the desktop, but has a point of sorts. I see three major threat vectors affecting MS right now, and it's losing ground on all of them. Two it's losing ground slowly and may recover, the third it's already come closing to losing entirely.

      1) Enterprise Data center: MS is losing ground to OSS here. Apple has made some small inroads, but basically this is Microsoft vs various Linuxes. They are not being pummeled by any means, but definite inroads are being made, and MS is slowly losing ground. This is bad because MS thrives on its ecosystem. You buy MS servers because they integrate so well with other MS servers and the MS desktops. If you have fewer MS servers then the need for more MS server seems less pressing. Then there's the:

      2) Desktop: Obviously at the moment OSS is a minimal threat here, but Apple is more serious. They are making serious threats on the consumer side, and once people become used to it at home they ask about it at work. As things stand now, it's mostly smaller businesses that go for Apple on the desktop, or switch partially, but I've seen Macs creeping in larger businesses too (I used to do work with a Fortune 50 Aerospace company that had buckled and allowed some Macs for video editing in our facility). As bits of the data center go OSS, Macs become less of a liability too. Changes made to accommodate Unix based servers work just as well for Apple's Unix desktops. Installed an AD to OpenLDAP translator for the new web server? Oh look, Macs can auth against OpenLDAP. Again, Apple isn't anywhere close to "winning" on the desktop, but they're making inroads.

      3) Mobile platforms: This is where MS is losing big time to Apple and Google (and RIM, and possibly a couple kids with tin cans and a string). This is a pretty serious problem IMO, because this is the next platform. I see mobile platforms, tablets and phones, doing what laptops did 10 years ago and desktops did 10 years before that. Taking over. Not to say that there won't still be laptops, and in the medium term it might even help desktops, but I've already found that my laptop is a bit redundant because of my iPhone. Last trip I went on, I didn't even take it out of the bag. Next time I'm debating leaving it at home. If Microsoft can't own this space, they're going to be in trouble. Not, "OMG they're going out of business" trouble, but growth will become mostly a thing of the past in the next decade.

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  2. saturated market by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    neither Microsoft's growth nor its profits are what they were like when Gates was at the helm.'"

    And what do they think Gates could do differently if he was still calling the shots? For better or worse most of Microsoft's key markets are saturated.

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    1. Re:saturated market by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Isn't he still a shareholder with +50% of the shares, so he essentially still has a say anyways? I thought I heard that somewhere, but I might be mistaken. Board of directors or something. Point is, Microsoft is not without Bill's Guidance, he simply isn't dealing with the hassles that come with being CEO.

      Microsoft's tanking* is completely independent of Bill's situation. They laid this path before them long long ago. You might even say it's Bill's fault they're in this mess.

      *As a humorous anecdote, Tanks are a very important component to group play. I like to think of Microsoft as that big guy in the heavy armor who takes all the hits and soaks up all the damage, because it doesn't mean much to him anyways. I also think of Apple as the DPS, and if they keep critting too much with all their successful products, they'll eventually pull Aggro and end up getting all the criticism Microsoft recieves. And I think of *nix as a good healer, silently standing far away from everyone, keeping everything running nominally with their superior networking capabilities and low resource requirements. See? You can relate anything to World of Warcraft. I dare you to come up with something I can't.

    2. Re:saturated market by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True but Microsoft really has made some massive stumbles of late.
      1. Vista. Love it or hate it Vista is the new Windows ME.
      2. Mobile phone strategy/music player strategy. What a mess that is.
      3. The failure to see the rise of the netbook/tablet.

      The mobile/music player strategy is the really the heart of the problem and yes they are related.
      Apple decided to make the music player market theirs. They created the iPod which eventually became the standard in mobile music players. They became cool and people actually really liked to use them.
      They then used that to create a smartphone. People already used their phones to play music and a lot of them hand crappy browsers and email. Apple combined a phone with music player with a good browser and then added apps. They now are a major force in mobile phones.
      Microsoft actually got into mobile phones before Apple. They put a version of Windows on a phone! It was clunky and not all that easy to use. They couldn't even execute a better email solution than RIM! While some what popular it never really was super exciting. Microsoft got into the mobile music market late and the Zune was a little clunky but had some potently great features but they where crippled! Heck it had wifi but couldn't surf the WEB! The Zune HD may be the best mobile music and video player on the market but that market is shrinking as people move to smartphones and tablets. Also it lacks the iPhone/Touch large app store.
      Now we have Windows Phone 7. It doesn't exist yet, it doesn't multi-task which Android, WebOS, and IOS 4 do.
      It lacks cut and paste.
      And frankly I have to wonder if anybody will care in a year when it is out.
      Microsoft seems to have NOTHING that can compete with the iPad.
      Microsoft is begining to look like IBM in the 90s.

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    3. Re:saturated market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *As a humorous anecdote, Tanks are a very important component to group play. I like to think of Microsoft as that big guy in the heavy armor who takes all the hits and soaks up all the damage, because it doesn't mean much to him anyways. I also think of Apple as the DPS, and if they keep critting too much with all their successful products, they'll eventually pull Aggro and end up getting all the criticism Microsoft recieves. And I think of *nix as a good healer, silently standing far away from everyone, keeping everything running nominally with their superior networking capabilities and low resource requirements. See? You can relate anything to World of Warcraft. I dare you to come up with something I can't.

      Fuck me, if these are the new metaphors we will see in 10 years, I think I will quit the Internet.

    4. Re:saturated market by stewbacca · · Score: 5, Funny

      combine new and old markets and double-penetrate them both?

      Giggity!

  3. Question of the Day by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When will /. replace the Locutus of Microsoft icon with Ballmer throwing a chair?

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    1. Re:Question of the Day by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or Ballmer in a monkey suit?
      Or Ballmer in a monkey suit and as a borg assimilating a chair?

  4. Re:Maybe you noticed by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, kind of a no brainer here. Growth at a large company in a mostly saturated and slow-growing market during a recession is less than growth of a mid-size company in a largely uncontested and growing market during an economic boom. My god, it's the end of the world, sell all your MS stock!

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  5. Don't forget about Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget that Apple has become the new Microsoft, in a sense. They've adopted Microsoft's approach of vendor lock-in, and taken it to a degree that Microsoft never could.

    Not only does Apple lock you in at the software level, like Microsoft did, but they go so far as to limit what programming languages you can use when targetting some of their platforms. Microsoft never stooped that low.

    But Apple takes it further, by holding a monopoly on the hardware stack their software runs on. Microsoft never managed this. They may have had deals and influence with some PC hardware vendors, but they were never really in control like Apple is.

    Then Apple takes it yet a step further, and basically dictates how you can use your device when it's networked, and who can provide that access. Microsoft never did anything like this.

    So as the Microsoft generation retires from the workplace, we're beginning to see a new generation of Apple supporters move in. Except they're far more gullible and brainwashed than the Microsoft supporters ever were, and these Apple users are willing to accept a far greater degree of dictatorship and vendor control. It makes me weep.

  6. Maybe he's copying Steve Jobs again... by PrecambrianRabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... leave, let the company tank, then make a triumphant return! :-D

  7. Re:Maybe you noticed by gewalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe, maybe not. Economists are still divided on that, many are predicting a double-dip too. I believe the Regan said

    A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.
    A depression is when you lose yours
    A recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.

    Assuming this to be true, there are a few possibilities

    1) Recovery is not possible since JC has no job to lose
    2) BO is the functional equivalent and recovery is when BO loses his job
    3) Recovery is futile (after all this is an article re: Bill Gates)

    Of course, the assumption may be flawed.

  8. Never mind. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One way or another, I doubt if Bil Gates really cares very much. I seem to remember him saying right at the beginning that if he made it big, he would end up giving his money away.

    Well, kudos to him: he is actually doing that. I dislike Microsoft on many levels (but mostly technical, since I am well and truly old enough to have only a remnant of my ideological principles), but Gates is doing more good with his own money than most of our governments are doing with ours.

    1. Re:Never mind. by loshwomp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what would be a good thing for governments to do with their citizens' money? Let them keep it.

      I actually like living in civilization -- it's imperfect, but it's what my taxes buy, so on balance I like paying them.

      I've never found or even heard of a place with lower taxes in which I'd rather live. If you have, why didn't you move? (Serious question.)

    2. Re:Never mind. by izomiac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having libertarian tendancies and liking to test my assumptions, I did a quick linear regression of HDI VS Tax Rate. I included the 20 countries with the highest HDI (.950 or higher) and excluded Liechtenstein since I couldn't easily find its tax rate. Taxes were measured as Tax Revenue as a percent of GDP to control for the various types of tax systems.

      R = -.17. For countries with high development indexes, higher tax rates have little effect on HDI, and the effect seems to be negative at that. So, governments are not using higher tax rates to improve the lives of their citizenry. Therefore, I'd like to use my own money to improve my own life, since giving it to the government seems to be a poor investment.

      Of note, Japan, the US, Switzerland, Australia, and Canada have the highest HDI to Tax ratio (i.e. best bang for your tax buck), respectively. HDI^3/Taxes only swaps the position of Switzerland and Australia.

  9. Reality check: Microsoft is quite profitable. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reality check: Microsoft is quite profitable. So is IBM. They make the wheels go around, and that's a solid business. That's what matters, not how much commentary the company gets on Gizmodo and Techcrunch.

    There are other big companies like that. Consider Consolidated Edison, the power company for New York City. They've been selling electricity since 1882, and they made $14 billion last year. General Electric is still around, and with about the same product line they had a century ago - power station equipment, appliances, lamps, and turbines. (Along the way, GE entered and left semiconductors and computers.)

    Google, on the other hand, is quite vulnerable. They've never had a second profitable product. Google has whole lines of money-losers, from YouTube to GMail. 97% of Google's revenue is still from search ads.

  10. Microsoft totally saw the tablet market by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    3. The failure to see the rise of the netbook/tablet.

    This is I think somewhat unfair, in two ways (since those are two different markets).

    For Netbooks, Microsoft didin't really see that coming but reacted very quickly and with skill, to where Windows dominates Netbooks when it looked at first like that would be the realm of Linux. They may not have seen that coming but they managed to win that one anyway to the point where it does not matter that they didn't see it coming.

    Now tablets, that's a different story. They saw that coming, something like ten years ago? Off and on they tried VERY hard to make that market work. There they had vision, but no execution - and that I think is mostly the problem, Microsoft still can have vision but they have (for whatever reason) a ton of problems executing. It really seems from the outside like this is the old ossified company syndrome where endless layers of management just boil away any real innovation from a product because real innovation is too risky and focus groups all say they hate the new thing you are trying to do because it is different than what they are used to. I think even if Microsoft made their own tablet hardware (like Apple) they would have had the same issues.

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  11. Re:Donchya' know by F34nor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No. He got 10,000 hrs of computer programing time before he finished college, he was well connected, well educated, was in the right place at the right time and he was a bully. The total package is nothing like luck. Luck is only one limiting factor for growth, to become the richest man on earth you need a shit load more than luck.

    p.s. On a side note MS needs to fire Balmer. He was OK when being a bully was effective, but that time is gone.
    p.p.s PAY A FUCKING DIVIDEND YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER.