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Bill Gates Doesn't Work At Microsoft Anymore

itwbennett writes "The recent Fortune article on Bill Gates' post-Microsoft life made one thing very clear to blogger Steven Vaughan-Nichols: 'Bill Gates was, and still is, the face of Microsoft. What Microsoft doesn't want you to know though is that Gates has almost nothing to do with the company anymore.' The fact is that Microsoft doesn't want to draw attention to Gates' absence because the company 'has been tanking in recent years,' says Vaughan-Nichols. 'While Microsoft's last quarter was far better than it was a year ago, thanks largely to Windows 7 finally picking up steam, neither Microsoft's growth nor its profits are what they were like when Gates was at the helm.'"

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  1. Joke of the day by g253 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft is in such a bad shape, it would be good for them if people thought Bill Gates still worked there :-)

    1. Re:Joke of the day by jsnipy · · Score: 4, Informative

      They still make tons of money. How are they in bad shape?

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    2. Re:Joke of the day by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only are they massively profitable, they are continuing to grow. Apparently growth means tanking.

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    3. Re:Joke of the day by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      your not thinking like an investor.
      Are they growing by more than 8% per quarter! then they are FAILING!

      Screw this long term planning stuff, strip R&D, lay off most of your developers and outsource your coding to a cheaper country. We need you to show much improvement next quarter, so my stock will go up a point or two!

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    4. Re:Joke of the day by Forge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This isn't such a joke.

      Hate him or Loath him, Gates was a Geek. While he was at Microsoft he actually did some coding. Not the most elegant code mind you but it compiled most of the time and ran only a little less often.

      Because of this the other geeks at MS (shock and horror, they actually employ thousands) folowed his orders without question, the way soldiers folow a battle scarred General.

      Without him, that voice of command is gone and none too soon as the core software and business model itself are under threat from OSS.

      What is that Business model? Manipulate everything from OEM deals to hardware prices so that the cheapest way to do most of the normal computer work in a normal office or home is to use your products. This was fine when they were competing with the likes of Lotus, IBM, Apple, and Sun.

      Some of those companies are still around, but now you can buy cheep PC Hardware with Free Software and be ahead of the price curve. Investors see growth slowing and about to reverse and are jumping ship in droves.

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    5. Re:Joke of the day by Compholio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd like to know where you got your financial education. I think you need to get a refund. And maybe kill yourself.

      As an outsider to investment, it seems to me like this happens a lot with large public companies. It appears that investors get really upset when profits this year are less than profits last year (even if profits are huge) and they encourage the company to start sacrificing long-term stability for short-term income.

    6. Re:Joke of the day by boombaard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, that's what's called the "anglo-saxon business model". Something similar happens when hedge funds buy up companies, use that company as collateral to borrow huge amounts of money with, and then dump the company again.

    7. Re:Joke of the day by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      now you can buy cheep PC Hardware with Free Software and be ahead of the price curve And yet Apple is still using closed source software to leverage the sale of expensive hardware -- and exceeding Microsoft's market cap in the process! Perhaps perceived price/performance is more important than absolute cost.

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    8. Re:Joke of the day by bonch · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's because if a company isn't growing, it's stagnant or shrinking. Markets are always changing, and we're seeing that in computing with the growth of the web and mobile devices--places where Microsoft is failing hard. Just having huge profits doesn't mean anything by itself, because that can go away quickly, and if a company doesn't change to match the market, it quickly becomes irrelevant.

    9. Re:Joke of the day by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Growing yes, but growing much slower than they used to... It's hard for them not to grow when they control a large percentage of a growing market. Most of their growth is their existing market share carrying on as the market itself expands, and the market cannot keep growing indefinitely.

      Their overall market share in their core markets is decreasing (ie they are growing slower than the market as a whole) and they are being pushed towards open standards and lower prices, their attempts to break into new markets are losing a lot of money with limited success (see xbox, msn etc), windows mobile seems to be tanking, they are facing antitrust problems from various places, older versions of their products (xp, office 2003 etc) are considered good enough and users are avoiding or delaying upgrades...

      It's not looking great for them overall, and i would certainly be very wary of investing... Especially now that the founder has jumped ship.

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    10. Re:Joke of the day by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Without him, that voice of command is gone and none too soon as the core software and business model itself are under threat from OSS."

      Under threat how? While OSS will continue to grow in the business space, the biggest gains have already been made. Most of the companies that would ditch Unix for Linux have already done so. Companies that run Windows Server are generally satisfied with it... the server platform was never the problem at MS, the desktop was, particularly Vista. And open source doesn't have a chance in hell of threatening Microsoft on the desktop. The biggest potential threat there is a resurgent Apple, especially on the consumer side, but increasingly on the business desktop for smaller organizations.

      The fact is, for large enterprises, there really isn't an alternative to Windows on the desktop, and Microsoft knows it. And Linux certainly isn't a threat there, that's for sure. This whole "OSS is about to rule" thing is just another silly variant of "this is the year of Linux on the desktop!"... it's the Duke Nukem Forever of software fantasies.

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    11. Re:Joke of the day by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think OP seriously overestimates the threat of OSS of the desktop, but has a point of sorts. I see three major threat vectors affecting MS right now, and it's losing ground on all of them. Two it's losing ground slowly and may recover, the third it's already come closing to losing entirely.

      1) Enterprise Data center: MS is losing ground to OSS here. Apple has made some small inroads, but basically this is Microsoft vs various Linuxes. They are not being pummeled by any means, but definite inroads are being made, and MS is slowly losing ground. This is bad because MS thrives on its ecosystem. You buy MS servers because they integrate so well with other MS servers and the MS desktops. If you have fewer MS servers then the need for more MS server seems less pressing. Then there's the:

      2) Desktop: Obviously at the moment OSS is a minimal threat here, but Apple is more serious. They are making serious threats on the consumer side, and once people become used to it at home they ask about it at work. As things stand now, it's mostly smaller businesses that go for Apple on the desktop, or switch partially, but I've seen Macs creeping in larger businesses too (I used to do work with a Fortune 50 Aerospace company that had buckled and allowed some Macs for video editing in our facility). As bits of the data center go OSS, Macs become less of a liability too. Changes made to accommodate Unix based servers work just as well for Apple's Unix desktops. Installed an AD to OpenLDAP translator for the new web server? Oh look, Macs can auth against OpenLDAP. Again, Apple isn't anywhere close to "winning" on the desktop, but they're making inroads.

      3) Mobile platforms: This is where MS is losing big time to Apple and Google (and RIM, and possibly a couple kids with tin cans and a string). This is a pretty serious problem IMO, because this is the next platform. I see mobile platforms, tablets and phones, doing what laptops did 10 years ago and desktops did 10 years before that. Taking over. Not to say that there won't still be laptops, and in the medium term it might even help desktops, but I've already found that my laptop is a bit redundant because of my iPhone. Last trip I went on, I didn't even take it out of the bag. Next time I'm debating leaving it at home. If Microsoft can't own this space, they're going to be in trouble. Not, "OMG they're going out of business" trouble, but growth will become mostly a thing of the past in the next decade.

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    12. Re:Joke of the day by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Microsoft can't own this space, they're going to be in trouble. Not, "OMG they're going out of business" trouble, but growth will become mostly a thing of the past in the next decade.

      Not necessarily... companies are strange beasts, they need good cashflow to stay relevant, and if the mobile platform see MS losing money and marketshare, and therefore shareprice... they'll start to decline. And that means they'll sell less stuff. And once people have got rid of the 'it must be MS' mindset, then things are really going to be tricky for them. (and we now have examples like Google refusing to run Windows internally, that sends a bit of a signal to others)

      This isn't just about mobile marketplace; see how many companies still run XP and don't feel the need to upgrade. How many don't care to upgrade to the latest Office - all that costs money, and companies don't spend it just to be on the latest version, all that software is just a tool.

      If that starts to happen, MS will still be spending a fortune on people and other costs, without the revenue to maintain them. Look to Sun as an example of what happens next. Look to IBM as a more realistic example of what I think will happen to them; look to DEC if they can't alter their business!

    13. Re:Joke of the day by idontgno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Making tons of money doesn't mean they have a future. IBM was in the same position.

      Yeah, it's a real shame about IBM, especially how they evaporated into obscurity and powerlessness. I miss them.

      No, wait, what?

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    14. Re:Joke of the day by squallbsr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The general purpose desktop market is going to start migrating towards developers and major power users (like graphic design), but the 90% use case for most people right now is surfing the web, checking email and playing flash games. All these can be accomplished with smaller, cheaper, portable devices like the iPad or whatever other tablets come out.

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    15. Re:Joke of the day by Loconut1389 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but less growth still equals growth until less growth equals no growth or negative growth.

    16. Re:Joke of the day by farble1670 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because if a company isn't growing, it's stagnant or shrinking.

      first, growing at a smaller rate != stagnant / shrinking. MSFT is still growing.

      second, no company can maintain increasing growth rates forever. that's for more immature companies that are exploiting a new market, as MSFT was doing in the dawn of the PC era, and apple is doing now in the dawn of the smart phone era.

      MSFT owns say 90% of PCs. moving from say 90% to 95% is *much* harder than say moving from 5% to 10%. you expect slower growth when the company in question already dominates the market.

    17. Re:Joke of the day by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The biggest potential threat there is a resurgent Apple, especially on the consumer side, but increasingly on the business desktop for smaller organizations.

      IBM is experimenting with a transition to Apple as the business desktop. Most of IBM Research switched a while ago, many of the executives have switched or are switching, IBM actively supports employees who choose to use their own Mac hardware and is running some test deployments of company-provided equipment in various parts of the company. Linux is also quite well-supported.

      I won't go so far as to make any predictions, but I wouldn't be surprised if IBM moved to Apple as the primary desktop platform in the next 4-5 years.

      So, not just "smaller organizations".

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    18. Re:Joke of the day by jazman_777 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cancer is growth, too.

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    19. Re:Joke of the day by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      mostly because of Microsofts outside investments that are not doing so well, the value of assets they posses have been decreasing more often than not over the past 5 years.
      for example the last 3 years, they actually took on debt recently, and any growth in capital is more than offset by those debts:
      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT+Balance+Sheet&annual (look at the bottom line)

      you expect slower growth when the company in question already dominates the market.

      Investors are counting on more than PC's with microsoft, it is expected that management will invest wisely, and use the brand name to get a good return on assets. If a company is not growing anymore, then they better return all of their profit as a dividend. As an investor, if I am not seeing a plan for a positive return on capitol, then I won't invest.
      So because microsoft does not appear to be maintaining the brand image, and not investing wisely, their value (represented by their stock price) has dropped drastically. Basically the new management is not worth as much as the old management, and thus the company is not worth it either.

  2. saturated market by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    neither Microsoft's growth nor its profits are what they were like when Gates was at the helm.'"

    And what do they think Gates could do differently if he was still calling the shots? For better or worse most of Microsoft's key markets are saturated.

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    1. Re:saturated market by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what do they think Gates could do differently if he was still calling the shots? For better or worse most of Microsoft's key markets are saturated.

      Find new markets to penetrate?

    2. Re:saturated market by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Isn't he still a shareholder with +50% of the shares, so he essentially still has a say anyways? I thought I heard that somewhere, but I might be mistaken. Board of directors or something. Point is, Microsoft is not without Bill's Guidance, he simply isn't dealing with the hassles that come with being CEO.

      Microsoft's tanking* is completely independent of Bill's situation. They laid this path before them long long ago. You might even say it's Bill's fault they're in this mess.

      *As a humorous anecdote, Tanks are a very important component to group play. I like to think of Microsoft as that big guy in the heavy armor who takes all the hits and soaks up all the damage, because it doesn't mean much to him anyways. I also think of Apple as the DPS, and if they keep critting too much with all their successful products, they'll eventually pull Aggro and end up getting all the criticism Microsoft recieves. And I think of *nix as a good healer, silently standing far away from everyone, keeping everything running nominally with their superior networking capabilities and low resource requirements. See? You can relate anything to World of Warcraft. I dare you to come up with something I can't.

    3. Re:saturated market by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Funny

      Find new markets to penetrate?

      Come up with a innovative product? Nah, couldn't happen...

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    4. Re:saturated market by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Funny

      combine new and old markets and double-penetrate them both?

    5. Re:saturated market by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True but Microsoft really has made some massive stumbles of late.
      1. Vista. Love it or hate it Vista is the new Windows ME.
      2. Mobile phone strategy/music player strategy. What a mess that is.
      3. The failure to see the rise of the netbook/tablet.

      The mobile/music player strategy is the really the heart of the problem and yes they are related.
      Apple decided to make the music player market theirs. They created the iPod which eventually became the standard in mobile music players. They became cool and people actually really liked to use them.
      They then used that to create a smartphone. People already used their phones to play music and a lot of them hand crappy browsers and email. Apple combined a phone with music player with a good browser and then added apps. They now are a major force in mobile phones.
      Microsoft actually got into mobile phones before Apple. They put a version of Windows on a phone! It was clunky and not all that easy to use. They couldn't even execute a better email solution than RIM! While some what popular it never really was super exciting. Microsoft got into the mobile music market late and the Zune was a little clunky but had some potently great features but they where crippled! Heck it had wifi but couldn't surf the WEB! The Zune HD may be the best mobile music and video player on the market but that market is shrinking as people move to smartphones and tablets. Also it lacks the iPhone/Touch large app store.
      Now we have Windows Phone 7. It doesn't exist yet, it doesn't multi-task which Android, WebOS, and IOS 4 do.
      It lacks cut and paste.
      And frankly I have to wonder if anybody will care in a year when it is out.
      Microsoft seems to have NOTHING that can compete with the iPad.
      Microsoft is begining to look like IBM in the 90s.

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    6. Re:saturated market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *As a humorous anecdote, Tanks are a very important component to group play. I like to think of Microsoft as that big guy in the heavy armor who takes all the hits and soaks up all the damage, because it doesn't mean much to him anyways. I also think of Apple as the DPS, and if they keep critting too much with all their successful products, they'll eventually pull Aggro and end up getting all the criticism Microsoft recieves. And I think of *nix as a good healer, silently standing far away from everyone, keeping everything running nominally with their superior networking capabilities and low resource requirements. See? You can relate anything to World of Warcraft. I dare you to come up with something I can't.

      Fuck me, if these are the new metaphors we will see in 10 years, I think I will quit the Internet.

    7. Re:saturated market by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Come up with a innovative product? Nah, couldn't happen...

      Perhaps not, but he could do a better job of acquiring products (or whole companies) that are well chosen to position Microsoft in new markets.

    8. Re:saturated market by stewbacca · · Score: 5, Funny

      combine new and old markets and double-penetrate them both?

      Giggity!

    9. Re:saturated market by men0s · · Score: 2, Informative

      For better or worse most of Microsoft's key markets are saturated.

      Last time I checked, Apache was still the most-used web server out there. They have a long way to go in that department until they reach saturation, much less taking over the number one spot.

    10. Re:saturated market by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey I love my new Microsoft Kin!

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    11. Re:saturated market by damien_kane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      World of Warcraft is like a car, because at the start of your journey, you haven't made any progress.
      You must choose a direction (class, spec, etc) initially, but you can change directions at will.
      Eventually, both the fast drivers (hardcore) and slow drivers (casual) can get to the same destination, given enough gas (time).
      Once you get to your chosen destination, you can still choose another direction and start heading in that route (reroll, different spec, etc). There is no "end" until the car is destroyed (WoW uninstalled).

      Good enough?

    12. Re:saturated market by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

      I mix metaphors like a plague of rubber.

    13. Re:saturated market by oakgrove · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, I had my phone rooted in the parking lot and Cyanogenmod on it about 30 minutes after I got home. I'm sorry that you were having issues with the stock ROM but I wouldn't really know anything about that. To me, using the stock image is akin to buying a windows computer and not bothering to remove all of the trial crapware and useless docks that come with it. You wouldn't blame Microsoft for all of that crap and I don't blame Android for manufacturer's lame implementation of it either.

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    14. Re:saturated market by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can relate anything to World of Warcraft.

      Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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  3. Maybe you noticed by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a pretty heavy recession going on, there wasn't one when Bill was at MS. I wonder if these two points are related.

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    1. Re:Maybe you noticed by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great. Now some Federal bureaucrat is going to read your post and the next thing you know we'll be seeing Bill Gates accepting his appointment as the Recession Czar or some such ;)

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    2. Re:Maybe you noticed by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 4, Informative
      No. RTFS.

      the company 'has been tanking in recent years,' says Vaughan-Nichols. 'While Microsoft's last quarter was far better than it was a year ago

      Pretty sure that the last quarter was during the recession...

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    3. Re:Maybe you noticed by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, kind of a no brainer here. Growth at a large company in a mostly saturated and slow-growing market during a recession is less than growth of a mid-size company in a largely uncontested and growing market during an economic boom. My god, it's the end of the world, sell all your MS stock!

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    4. Re:Maybe you noticed by gewalker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe, maybe not. Economists are still divided on that, many are predicting a double-dip too. I believe the Regan said

      A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.
      A depression is when you lose yours
      A recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.

      Assuming this to be true, there are a few possibilities

      1) Recovery is not possible since JC has no job to lose
      2) BO is the functional equivalent and recovery is when BO loses his job
      3) Recovery is futile (after all this is an article re: Bill Gates)

      Of course, the assumption may be flawed.

    5. Re:Maybe you noticed by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And XP3, Vista, and 7 all fix the horrid architectural mistakes abetted by Allchin and Gates. Demoting users from root in Windows fixed a healthy chunk of their design problems.... all instigated by Gates and his 'wizards'.

      Microsoft has lost mirth, magic, mind-share, and the 'oil well in the basement' of Office and Exchange will be toppled soon, too.

      But none of this is news, nor is Gates exit. We simply don't care anymore. He's a statistical fluke billionaire, nothing more.

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    6. Re:Maybe you noticed by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a pretty heavy recession going on, there wasn't one when Bill was at MS.

      Maybe you're living on a different planet to the one that some of us survived on in the '80s and '90s.

    7. Re:Maybe you noticed by netruner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't sell the guy short - love him or hate him, you can't deny that he was the vision (good or evil) behind the company. This happens with all companies that outlive the careers of their founders - once the original visionaries that started the company start to retire, they are replaced with people who "just work there". Once that happens, the company either finds a new vision or it falters. There aren't many of the originals left there - thus, probably not much of the original vision.

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    8. Re:Maybe you noticed by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You damn him with faint praise.

      Bill Gates, from the time he started porting BASIC to Altairs 8080s, has been building a monopoly enterprise that's had to settle in and out of court in most major jurisdictions in the world for bad behavior.

      The defects within Windows are long and well-noted elsewhere, but the big fatality was user confidence, and the edge-of-your-seat anticipation of a new release.

      That Gates aspired to kick IBM and their 'church of the mainframe' mentality wasn't a bad thing. Yet when he could have been a hero at so many turns, he turned out to be an also-ran with a big wallet, as though the big wallet cured everything.

      Try re-reading his books. Then look at Microsoft's legal history. Look at all of the places that they're failing now:

      - They're two years behind Apple in consumer operating systems, although Windows 7 can be praised for what it doesn't do: blow up

      - They're three years behind Apple in smartphones

      - Public cloud is built on Linux and BSD, with a dose of occasional Solaris.

      - Game machines eat XBoxes for lunch

      - Application development has been mightily derailed in favor of admittedly small stuff, but when you think about 220,000 Apple Store apps, it's tacit evidence of where many programmers live, not to mention SourceForge, and so on. Microsoft's developer efforts have been stanched, if not derailed.

      - Oracle continues to make inroads into places that Microsoft needs to go....

      But the most heinous problem is vision; Microsoft now consists of highly competitive and expensive teams that follow, not lead in their respective markets.

      Gates was lucky that IBM didn't find Tim Patterson or Gordon Eubanks, else history would have found plentifully different tech millionaires.

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  4. I for one am shocked by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    shocked that this is considered news. I thought that pretty much everybody knew that Bill Gates has basically zero involvement with MS since he retired from MS and left that chimp Balmer running things.

    1. Re:I for one am shocked by delinear · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ditto, I was under the impression he left the company in an official capacity several years ago, ostensibly to pursue his charity work, and that he was just a major shareholder now. I haven't seen comments on him having anything to do with running the company for years, either - it's all about Ballmer.

    2. Re:I for one am shocked by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative

      turned over "Chief Software Architect" title in 2006 and "left the building" in 2008. Still Chairman of the board though...

    3. Re:I for one am shocked by chronosan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, he did make those commercials...

  5. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ford is not being run by Henry Ford. Shocking news to everybody who thought that the latest version of the Model T would come out any day now.

    In other news, Richard Petty Motorsports has only one race victory in the past decade. Questions of why the King hasn't been driving are unanswered.

    1. Re:This just in... by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but Elvis is still alive ;)

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    2. Re:This just in... by Hylandr · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, A 'Rebooted' Model T might be a really hot seller once they end the current Mustang cycle. I wonder what that would look like...

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  6. Question of the Day by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When will /. replace the Locutus of Microsoft icon with Ballmer throwing a chair?

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    1. Re:Question of the Day by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or Ballmer in a monkey suit?
      Or Ballmer in a monkey suit and as a borg assimilating a chair?

    2. Re:Question of the Day by damien_kane · · Score: 4, Funny

      Balmer [...] assimilating a chair

      Now now, we don't need any of that.
      I'm not sure I want to know what you kids do with chairs these days, but where I come from chairs were for resting on, not for assimilating, or whatever it is you kids call it these days.

    3. Re:Question of the Day by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 3, Informative

      While he may own a large amount of stock, possibly more than anyone else (too lazy to look it up right now), he isn't a majority shareholder. Far from it. Yes, he has a large voice if he wants to, but it just a voice, not a authority.

  7. Natural Consequence. by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has very little to do with Bill Gates, per se.

    Microsoft managed to get itself into a monopoly position while the PC market exploded. The PC market has since stabalized, and people are realizing there are options.

    There was no where for Microsoft to grow to. So they can't grow anymore.

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    1. Re:Natural Consequence. by rwven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While what you said has a lot of merit, there are obviously other contributing factors as well.

      Windows failed to advance for a long time while other alternatives DID progress.

      Windows was plagued by a slew of very public security "whoopses."

      The MS alternatives came up with some great marketting and sales lines that pulled a lot of people away.

      I'm sure other people could add plenty to this list.

    2. Re:Natural Consequence. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It doesn't help that Microsoft is giving people plenty of reasons to switch to competitors though. Not upgrading their flagship browser for 10 years was a big mistake. Taking so long between XP and Vista, and then Vista being a flop was a big mistake. If Microsoft wants to stay at the top, they should constantly be releasing real upgrades to their products, to keep pace with how all the other guys are doing it. There's no reason they couldn't release a new version of Windows ever year, charge $50, and have everybody upgrade. The current model of, wait 3 or 4 years between versions, and charge $300 for it doesn't work, because nobody wants to drop $300 all at once, and they also don't want to have to buy a new computer, to get the price discounted.

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    3. Re:Natural Consequence. by david_thornley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, yes, they make more products. However, most of the profits come from Windows and Office. Their other products would have to show massive growth and profitability to be more than a blip on the bottom line, and I don't think Microsoft is well suited to come up with new stuff. Their research programs show great stuff, which generally doesn't become a product, and they appear to me to be very Windows-focused, so I don't have great hopes of growth from them.

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    4. Re:Natural Consequence. by icebraining · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not upgrading their flagship browser for 10 years was a big mistake.

      What? When was that?

      IE 3: 1996
      IE 4: 1997
      IE 5: 1999
      IE 6: 2001
      IE 7: 2006
      IE 8: 2009

    5. Re:Natural Consequence. by Locutus · · Score: 2, Funny

      but they lose billions annually on them so psssst, don't tell anyone who might be an investor.

      LoB

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    6. Re:Natural Consequence. by icebraining · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Lynx was originally designed for Unix and VMS, not Linux.

      Besides, Linux will never have a flagship browser, and that's a feature, not a bug. It's because it's free software, so any really good browser will eventually be ported to other OSes.

    7. Re:Natural Consequence. by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      Microsoft managed to get itself into a monopoly position while the PC market exploded.

      Not exactly; there's more to it. Before IBM PC came on the market, there were a lot of competing PCs from different companies. All of them had proprietary busses, proprietary OSes, proprietary BIOSes. Although many if not most had variations of CP/M, you couldn't buy a CP/M program and expect it to run on any but one make of computer.

      Then IBM came into the scene with what IBM considered a toy, and after being rebuffed by the top CP/M guy went to one of its lawyer's children, Bill Gates, who bought an OS and tweaked it to work on IBM's machine. Microsoft had already been shipping BASIC to many computer manufacturers.

      Back then the battle cry was "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" and all the other companies* went out of business. Gates wisely held on to copyright on his OS, then named PC-DOS, rather than letting IBM get it. Then a few years later, Compaq reverse engineered and legally cloned the IBM BIOS, which allowed it to run Gate's OS, now named MS-DOS. This was before very many people had computers in the home, but PCs were saturating offices everywhere. Compaq came out with a PC that used the much faster 386 chip when IBM was still using 286s, and ate IBM's lunch.

      IBM unwisely decided to ditch DOS and use its own in-house offering OS2, which bombed badly.

      So it didn't exactly get itself into a monopoly position, it actually inherited its monopoly from IBM.

      people are realizing there are options.

      No, just us nerds. Non-nerds I know are amazed when I tell them there are not only options, but virus-free, more secure options that cost nothing.

      * Except Apple, because it had gotten a foothold in the schools and graphics houses before the IBM PCs were capable of graphics.

  8. Don't Worry!!!! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He may not be here right now, in Microsoft Corporation Edition 2010; but a ground-up managed-code rewrite of him is definitely on the roadmap for Microsoft Corporate Edition 2012, as part of the Microsoft Enterprise Management Foundation suite of technologies. All his memos will take the form of powershell-compatible cmdlets remotely executed on his subordinates, and his rolodex will be replaced by a WinFS based structured-datastore.

    Version N+1 is going to be the best version ever!

  9. Chairman by bradgoodman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While he doesn't "work there" - I believe he is still the Chairman of the Board.

    That aside - I don't think Mircrosoft is doing poorly because "Gates doesn't work there anymore" - quite conversely - I always said that I believe that his departure deliberately coincided with Microsoft's decline. Wether you like them or not - he started Microsoft - created new products - built the company from the ground up - and grew it through the years. At some point - it really flatlined. They weren't doing anything new - creating anything new - growing - etc. As an entrepreneur myself - that would be the time an entrepreneur would get bored - with just running the day-to-day of a big company, and move on to new adventures.

    1. Re:Chairman by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe, but Ballmer will always be the chair-man of my raging heart.

  10. Don't forget about Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget that Apple has become the new Microsoft, in a sense. They've adopted Microsoft's approach of vendor lock-in, and taken it to a degree that Microsoft never could.

    Not only does Apple lock you in at the software level, like Microsoft did, but they go so far as to limit what programming languages you can use when targetting some of their platforms. Microsoft never stooped that low.

    But Apple takes it further, by holding a monopoly on the hardware stack their software runs on. Microsoft never managed this. They may have had deals and influence with some PC hardware vendors, but they were never really in control like Apple is.

    Then Apple takes it yet a step further, and basically dictates how you can use your device when it's networked, and who can provide that access. Microsoft never did anything like this.

    So as the Microsoft generation retires from the workplace, we're beginning to see a new generation of Apple supporters move in. Except they're far more gullible and brainwashed than the Microsoft supporters ever were, and these Apple users are willing to accept a far greater degree of dictatorship and vendor control. It makes me weep.

    1. Re:Don't forget about Apple. by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple only appear to be doing that in on the iphone and ipad... They are not doing it on their computer systems, which are arguably far more open than microsoft in many ways.

      Apple don't hold a dominant position in any market, and there are still viable competitors to their lock-in. Apple can be ignored, you can totally ignore their products, use alternatives and be in no way impaired. MS cannot be ignored, as sooner or later you will be faced with something thats tied to windows be it a broken website that requires ie, a proprietary file format or a niche application that only runs on windows... There are countries in which Apple simply don't exist.

      Personally i don't care how badly a company screws their customers so long as it doesn't affect me.

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    2. Re:Don't forget about Apple. by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget that Apple has become the new Microsoft, in a sense. They've adopted Microsoft's approach of vendor lock-in, and taken it to a degree that Microsoft never could.

      "New" ? "Adopted" ? Apple's methods haven't changed one iota in decades - it's just a lot more people seem to be paying attention all of a sudden.

  11. Who the hell is this blogger? by caladine · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mean, besides being obviously anti-MS (standard /. fare).
    If you look at MS's financials and check the annual reports, it doesn't much look like a company that has been "tanking in recent years". Most companies would kill for the revenue growth and operating margin Microsoft has had since 2005. Tanking in recent years, my ass.

    1. Re:Who the hell is this blogger? by countertrolling · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but isn't their market share almost down to 90%? Let's face it. They're outta here..

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  12. They're almost irrelevent now aren't they? by random+coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Compare MS stock and Apple and Google and go back 5 years, or even 3 years. Look at the hype for the iPad, for Android. Notice the FTC looking at Google, Notice no one cares about MS anymore; They're becoming irrelevant. They're were IBM was in 1990, or Novell in 1998. Ballmar really wasn't/isn't up to the task of running the company. In 2000 they should have copied Apple again and based their next windows(that would become Vista) on a BSD or Linux kernel. It is very likely that they will continue to shrink and in another 15 they'll be just another softare vendor like Adobe.

    1. Re:They're almost irrelevent now aren't they? by NevarMore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure thats a bad thing. IBM seems to be doing OK these days.

    2. Re:They're almost irrelevent now aren't they? by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at the hype for the iPad, for Android. Notice the FTC looking at Google, Notice no one cares about MS anymore; They're becoming irrelevant.

      Hype is a fad.

      Hype is noise.

      Hype is 0.11% of the web for Android. 0.09% for the iPad.

      Relevancy is 91.3% of the web for Windows. Operating System Market Share Relevancy is a trend line that is moving visibly upwards. Top Operating System Share Trend

      Apple has staked its future on the high end of the mobile device market, the mobile hardware market. That can be a very precarious perch in times of recession.

      Microsoft sells software and services to a much broader spectrum of buyers.

      It is lightly exposed on the hardware side.

    3. Re:They're almost irrelevent now aren't they? by Luckyo · · Score: 2, Informative

      And yet the market capitalization of MS is $222B, Google's is $153B, and Apple's is $247B. The financial world seems to think that Apple is worth $25B more than Microsoft, but I'm the one that doesn't understand how financial markets work?

      I don't want to be a dick and repeat myself, but if you seriously consider that apple's own drivel about "market capitalization" matters for more then short term profit, you simply do not even begin to understand how financial world works, which makes arguing the point, well, pointless. You simply lack the knowledge base needed to argue the financial points at all.

      But it does look really good on paper, next to "we're biggest mobile device maker in the world". When you use a properly "fixed" metric, you can make anyone look like a world leader, no matter how badly it's real finances are. Case to point, 2k crisis, IT bubble and massive market collapse. Recent mortgage/financial crisis, exactly the same issue. Essentially market's idea of what something is worth means very little in long term, because even a small shift can sometimes cause a complete and total collapse of a company that may have been valued as one of the best in the world before that - example: Lehman Brothers

      One last time. Market value means nothing more then what the value is perceived as. It may or may not have any roots in reality. With apple's high build up on hype over substance, and creative "metrics" used to hype their own product, the bubble is very clearly seen to those who aren't inside it. And just like all bubbles, when it will collapse, it will probably be painful, but before that it will make people large amounts of money. Just like mortgage market did.

      MS on the other hand is pure substance and very little hype. It has it's products installed on almost every end-user operated personal computer in the world. It's productivity suite is clear #1 in the world. The only thing one could view as hype is xbox and microsoft games, and even there, microsoft itself isn't really hyping it up - it has been very open about the losses.

      Sure, we can split hairs and argue that smartphone market is the future, and that MS is the dinosaur. The argument was exactly the same just before IT bubble burst, and then we had companies like Nortel going "lol microsoft, soon to be small fry". Bubble burst. MS is still here, and still growing. Most of the very high valued companies that bet on that "new economy" of that time on the other hand are dead.

  13. Here's a graph. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a pretty heavy recession going on, there wasn't one when Bill was at MS. I wonder if these two points are related.

    This goes back to before there was a recession. Illustrated in pastel loveliness.

  14. Maybe he's copying Steve Jobs again... by PrecambrianRabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... leave, let the company tank, then make a triumphant return! :-D

  15. The same old story by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    They cut off his salary, and moved him to a basement office - but that darn Gates keeps coming in! Can't a guy take a hint?

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  16. Never mind. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One way or another, I doubt if Bil Gates really cares very much. I seem to remember him saying right at the beginning that if he made it big, he would end up giving his money away.

    Well, kudos to him: he is actually doing that. I dislike Microsoft on many levels (but mostly technical, since I am well and truly old enough to have only a remnant of my ideological principles), but Gates is doing more good with his own money than most of our governments are doing with ours.

    1. Re:Never mind. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I seem to remember him saying right at the beginning that if he made it big, he would end up giving his money away.

      And I seem to remember that his father had to shame him into giving to charity.

      Gates is doing more good with his own money than most of our governments are doing with ours.

      He has more money than quite a few of our governments. And there are people far less rich than him that give far more to charity. Now his startup partner Alan, otoh, has my respect, because of his post-MS ventures that aren't charity but will benefit mankind immensely.

    2. Re:Never mind. by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know what would be a good thing for governments to do with their citizens' money? Let them keep it.

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    3. Re:Never mind. by Locutus · · Score: 4, Informative

      if only you knew how much harm he is still doing but is now using his foundation as his front company. You do know that Bill was publicly blasting the One Laptop Per Child program and not because of what it was doing but because it wasn't using Windows. You also should know that both he and Steve Ballmer went around the world talking to governments and their education leadership down playing the OLPC project and in some cases signing million dollar "support" deals which required them to use Microsoft software and therefore excluded the OLPC device. And lets not forget all those who have said that they've been told that once a school or library accepts money from his foundation, they are not allowed to use open source software.

      oh yes, Bill is doing a great job at spreading Microsoft software while he still gets a pat on the back for "doing more good" with his money but who is he really helping? I've got an OLPC and it is an amazing device and while it does run Linux, the software is not like anything on Windows or Linux. But the millions of kids who would have had a chance to get books and learn something about modern technology won't get that chance. Windows could not run on that hardware without added costs and from what I read, they did not want the Windows user interface hidden under the SUGAR UI. Anyways, Gates is not helping anyone and is only feeding his greedy desires to push his own companies products and that is not helping anyone but Bill and his ego. IMO

      LoB

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    4. Re:Never mind. by loshwomp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what would be a good thing for governments to do with their citizens' money? Let them keep it.

      I actually like living in civilization -- it's imperfect, but it's what my taxes buy, so on balance I like paying them.

      I've never found or even heard of a place with lower taxes in which I'd rather live. If you have, why didn't you move? (Serious question.)

    5. Re:Never mind. by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a mass migration in America from states with high taxes to states with low taxes. If it continues, it will be a significant demographic shift over just a generation. I've lived in Cali (highest state taxes) and Texas and Florida (no state income tax for either). All three states had roads, teachers, policemen, etc, and I've never seen any evidence that Cali taxpayers get anything extra for their taxes.

      Sure, some small amount of taxation is needed for civilation, but ~60% of my taxes are simply handed directly to other citizens as a gift, and a lot of the 40% which actually pay for government services goes to paying government union workers more than market rate. Why should public service unions be legal, again?

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    6. Re:Never mind. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see we have a useful idiot. The correct solution to your whine about being underpaid is to demand more pay, not to enviously demand that others doing a similar job are paid less.

      Or maybe you think you're so much brighter than people who are paid more than you - in which case go apply for their job.

      paying government union workers more than market rate

      The market rate is the lowest rate that
      (i) a suitable worker is prepared to accept;
      (ii) an employer is prepared to pay.

      Why should public service unions be legal, again?

      Are you actually asking, "Why should collective bargaining be legal"? What part of the bargaining do you think should be outlawed - the bit where employees are allowed to express their views? The bit where people are allowed to not work if they so choose? Which Eastern nation are you modelling your "only some unions should be legal" assertion on?

    7. Re:Never mind. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "There's a mass migration in America from states with high taxes to states with low taxes."

      no, there isn't.

      " Cali taxpayers get anything extra for their taxes."
      you will when you move. Ca. has tons of advantages over most places without sales tax. But you keep living in your little box that Rush and Glen built for you.
      You do NOT pay 60% in taxes. sorry, you're a liar, or your tax accountant is ripping you off.

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    8. Re:Never mind. by treeves · · Score: 2

      Reading comprehension FTW. He didn't say he paid 60% in taxes. He said 60% OF his taxes go to entitlements, the other 40% go to other stuff, like infrastructure, public safety, etc. Question him on that if you like but don't say he's wrong (or worse, lying) about something he didn't say.

      Please list the advantages of California that are due to taxes or government. I'm truly interested to know them.

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    9. Re:Never mind. by izomiac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having libertarian tendancies and liking to test my assumptions, I did a quick linear regression of HDI VS Tax Rate. I included the 20 countries with the highest HDI (.950 or higher) and excluded Liechtenstein since I couldn't easily find its tax rate. Taxes were measured as Tax Revenue as a percent of GDP to control for the various types of tax systems.

      R = -.17. For countries with high development indexes, higher tax rates have little effect on HDI, and the effect seems to be negative at that. So, governments are not using higher tax rates to improve the lives of their citizenry. Therefore, I'd like to use my own money to improve my own life, since giving it to the government seems to be a poor investment.

      Of note, Japan, the US, Switzerland, Australia, and Canada have the highest HDI to Tax ratio (i.e. best bang for your tax buck), respectively. HDI^3/Taxes only swaps the position of Switzerland and Australia.

    10. Re:Never mind. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's not a lot of evidence that it does any good in the modern world

      There's tremendous evidence that union workers are better off in today's Western world. There's also a lot of evidence that unionization does not undermine competitiveness (see how high unionization rates are outside the US?).

      Collective bargaining should only be legal if there's some good that comes from it that outweighs its downsides.

      So, let me repeat the question: What part of the bargaining do you think should be outlawed - the bit where employees are allowed to express their views? The bit where people are allowed to not work if they so choose?

      The workers should not have the power to undermine the will of the voters as a whole.

      The will of the voter is to not impose slavery and to not restrict speech (well, OK, it's the will of a Democratic Republic). This means that a man cannot be compelled to work for a particular employer (no slavery), which means he is welcome to chat with his colleagues about what conditions are acceptable (freedom of speech) and together decide not to work (no slavery) if his employer does not provide those conditions.

  17. 2010 is the Year of the Zune!!! by Phizzle · · Score: 2, Informative

    You just wait people! Bill is going to go back to Microsoft and rally people, like Steve did at Apple, and the Zune will inherit the world!!! The 2010 will be the Year of the Zune!!!

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  18. They're probably just pulling an Apple by BlueScreenOfTOM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'll bet they're trying to copy Apple again. They're in Step 2. 1. Get Gates to leave for a few years 2. Turn into a brand that can be described as mediocre at best, always playing a game of catch-up 3. Bring back Gates and simultaneously introduce a new "revolutionary product". Give Gates the credit for "inventing" said product 4. Paint Gates as a messiah that will pull Microsoft up out of the ruins and guide all of mankind to better computing 5. Profit!

  19. Borg photo? by ziegast · · Score: 3, Funny

    If Bill is no longer "the face of Microsoft", perhaps we can change the Bill of Borg icon that's associated with Slashdot stories about Microsoft with one of Ballmer throwing a chair?

  20. 7.3% as May-10-10 by peter303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    He is still the largest shareholder. He gave some to his foundation and has been diversifying.

    1. Re:7.3% as May-10-10 by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the funny thing about his foundation is that while he is still tied to Microsoft via his Board of Directors position and his stock holdings, his foundation is still allowed to pedal Microsoft software. I thought that non-profit orgs could not have these kinds of business ties and associations.

      I think his financial advisors are telling him something like, 'while you have plenty of wealth in MSFT stock, it is not growing and looks like it'll stay or drop in the future. It's time to diversify to something with more growth potential now.'

      LoB

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    2. Re:7.3% as May-10-10 by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Informative

      still allowed to pedal Microsoft software

      "peddle", not "pedal".

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  21. Microsoft's brand still carries clout. by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Windows and Office are proprietary software, the onus is on Microsoft to shoulder the entire effort of development. It was a model that worked extremely well in the old days when hardware was less varied and complexity was significantly less. However, each iteration of Windows seems to be more painful to release. However, the fact still remains that Microsoft is an extremely good business because each copy of their software costs only a handful of dollars to produce and package while pulling in several hundred dollars on store shelves. The result was a net profit margin of 24.94% in FY 2009. Contrast that to Apple (19.19% net profit in FY 2009), which charges top dollar for sleek hardware but shoulders higher expenses as a result.

    Much as we like to whine about Microsoft, the truth is that there is no other well marketed consumer operating system brand apart from Mac OS. Until well marketed competition arrives, Microsoft still drives the market.

  22. Reality check: Microsoft is quite profitable. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reality check: Microsoft is quite profitable. So is IBM. They make the wheels go around, and that's a solid business. That's what matters, not how much commentary the company gets on Gizmodo and Techcrunch.

    There are other big companies like that. Consider Consolidated Edison, the power company for New York City. They've been selling electricity since 1882, and they made $14 billion last year. General Electric is still around, and with about the same product line they had a century ago - power station equipment, appliances, lamps, and turbines. (Along the way, GE entered and left semiconductors and computers.)

    Google, on the other hand, is quite vulnerable. They've never had a second profitable product. Google has whole lines of money-losers, from YouTube to GMail. 97% of Google's revenue is still from search ads.

    1. Re:Reality check: Microsoft is quite profitable. by tokul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ConEd - natural monopoly. selling service to big market with low infrastructure upkeep costs (compared to costs of creating alternative infrastructure)
      GE - diversified company
      Google - not diversified company
      Microsoft - desperately trying to diversify its products, but most of alternative products are subsidized by main company's products and suffering from competition whos pricing is very hard to compete with.

  23. Windows NT Microkernel, by David Cutler et al by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In 2000 they should have copied Apple again and based their next windows(that would become Vista) on a BSD or Linux kernel.

    I have never heard anyone say a bad word about the actual NT Microkernel, or, for that matter, about Cutler et al's work on VMS [which, to this day, has a reputation as being one of the most rock-solid, 24x7x365, 5/6/7/8/9-sigma operating systems known to man].

    Even the old embedded versions of NT, although they never gained all that much market share [vis-a-vis VXWorks], had a reputation for being very solid operating systems.

    Now you might not like some of the cruft which has been bolted on top of the NT Microkernel [Win32, Win64, NTVDM's, DirectX, etc etc etc], but if anyone has a beef with the underlying microkernel, then I haven't heard about it.

  24. Microsoft totally saw the tablet market by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    3. The failure to see the rise of the netbook/tablet.

    This is I think somewhat unfair, in two ways (since those are two different markets).

    For Netbooks, Microsoft didin't really see that coming but reacted very quickly and with skill, to where Windows dominates Netbooks when it looked at first like that would be the realm of Linux. They may not have seen that coming but they managed to win that one anyway to the point where it does not matter that they didn't see it coming.

    Now tablets, that's a different story. They saw that coming, something like ten years ago? Off and on they tried VERY hard to make that market work. There they had vision, but no execution - and that I think is mostly the problem, Microsoft still can have vision but they have (for whatever reason) a ton of problems executing. It really seems from the outside like this is the old ossified company syndrome where endless layers of management just boil away any real innovation from a product because real innovation is too risky and focus groups all say they hate the new thing you are trying to do because it is different than what they are used to. I think even if Microsoft made their own tablet hardware (like Apple) they would have had the same issues.

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  25. Ballmer's biggest mistake was mobile by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Microsoft completely failed to appreciate is the need to make good mobile OSes. If Windows CE hadn't been such a pathetic afterthought, and if it had been given away for free to suffocate the rest of the market, MS would have been in a pretty good place right now. They should have been leveraging their monopoly into other markets, and they would have gotten away with it if they had even had an actively-developed product for the mobile market.

    Microsoft just got complacent and lazy, because they were too accustomed to people buying their core products no matter how shitty they were. BillG knew that when they move into a new field, they actually have to win on quality. Office did this, IE4 did this, DirectX did this, but that's about the end of the list.

    Apple doesn't magically create compelling products because they're a charmed company. They have to drop lots of money on designers, UI research, testing and all that stuff. None of those things are our of reach for MS. They just don't research, focus and blitz the way Apple does. Maybe the government lawsuits had something to do with it. Steve Jobs asks his board every week: Where do I want to jab my sharp elbows today? They research it and come back with a plan for new conquests. Microsoft seems to be focused on answering the complaints from their present customers. There's no vision there. Sometimes, when their lunch gets eaten, they respond with Zunes, Xboxes and Bings - also-ran products that, at best, slightly improve on the established players that they ape. Witness the recent effort to make Hotmail relevant again! It reminds me of Communist countries who thought the best response to Western temptations is to make homegrown "equivalents" for Levi's and Coca Cola. Not long after this pathetic attempt, Communism collapsed.

    Apple and Google are sniffing around for unfilled needs, and designing products to fill them. Microsoft is looking at filled needs, and asking "how can we get in on this and also fill these needs?" Maybe that's in their DNA, because they got rich from an OS that basically innovated nothing. But the difference is that MS-DOS jumped into an unsaturated market and took ownership of it. MS product lines of the 21st century haven't even tried to do this. They've released fixes for established apps, and Zunes (and other Borg knockoffs of what's hot yesterday). If I were an investor who intended to hold stock for a while, it wouldn't be Microsoft.

  26. This breaking news just in... by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

    William Henry "Bill" Gates III is still retired from Microsoft.

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  27. Is Microsoft tanking because Bill Gates is gone... by sjonke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... or is Bill Gates gone because Microsoft was tanking? Gettin' out when the gettin's good....

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  28. Windows Mobile by manekineko2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You may not remember, but back in the day, before Windows Mobile was called Windows Mobile, they competed on quality on it as well. Their main rival, Palm, stagnated for years rehashing the same products and Microsoft swooped in and ate their lunch.

    With Palm dealt with, Microsoft then went on to do what they do, and stagnated Windows Mobile until someone else came along and ate their lunch.

  29. Geek vs. Salesman by andlewis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bill Gates is a geek, Steve Balmer is a salesman. Microsoft (a technology company) is tanking because it's being run by middle management now, while previously it was run by geeks. Expect the same thing from Google eventually, and Apple when Steve Jobs leaves.

  30. Bill is Back! by Favonius+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be pretty fun to watch a return of the Bill and see if he could rescue the company.

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  31. Re:Donchya' know by F34nor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No. He got 10,000 hrs of computer programing time before he finished college, he was well connected, well educated, was in the right place at the right time and he was a bully. The total package is nothing like luck. Luck is only one limiting factor for growth, to become the richest man on earth you need a shit load more than luck.

    p.s. On a side note MS needs to fire Balmer. He was OK when being a bully was effective, but that time is gone.
    p.p.s PAY A FUCKING DIVIDEND YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER.

  32. The part where it didn't imapact sales by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Did you miss where they discontinued XP despite the fact that Netbooks couldn't run their new OS? Leaving them no way to sell into the whole market until they reversed this incredibly stupid decision?

    Oh I saw that. But the "skill" part was that they in fact DID reverse that decision, instead of sticking to it. Skill doesn't mean you never make mistakes - to the contrary, skill is in part being able to come back from stupid mistakes rapidly and to your benefit.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  33. Assimilate? by mangu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Balmer does not assimilate chairs. I don't know what the suffix "imilate" means, but what he does with chairs is not related to the ass in any way.