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iPhone 4 News Roundup

We have a slew of iPhone 4-related stories this morning, so I'm lumping them together for easier consumption/ignoring, depending on your personal feelings on the subject. Here is a blog entry proclaiming that iOS 4 multitasking sucks and why. Here is a sketchy summary of privacy violations by Apple and AT&T — apparently they are reporting back jailbroken phones. Skunkpost has a story about the lines and sales of the new phone. But the big news of the morning is the reception problems that apparently only affect people who hold the phone in their left hands.

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  1. Here's your roundup by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Goatse.

    But seriously folks...the new iPhone hardware and many of the additions they are making to the OS are really great...but I'm sorry, I still can't get past the walled garden. Again, I know the app store would have everything I would likely need, but I just can't accept being told that an application would be inappropriate for me to use. And yes, I know I could just jailbreak it...but that's not the point. I don't care that I can get around it, I care that the walled garden exists in the first place. As a consumer, the best I can do is vote with my wallet.

    This is only my opinion, I don't speak for others, YMMV, etc applies.

    1. Re:Here's your roundup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The App Store is a public marketplace. You don't see people complaining they can't buy the latest pr0n titles at your local BB or Radio Shack.

      It's a phone! It's not the second coming, they're not taking your desktop away, and....chances are they won't try mind-control with it. Personally, I just want my phone to work, so that I can get things done and not troubleshoot why my phone is crashing.

    2. Re:Here's your roundup by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Life is really too short to be idealistic about freaking phone apps.

    3. Re:Here's your roundup by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You want my advice? Don't buy an iPhone. Or any number of the other phones that don't offer developer access for users.

      I remember my first Sprint phone, which had a four-note polyphonic midi player built-in, and I was so excited, I started to make my own midi files, but couldn't figure out how to import them. I called their support and they said that it was impossible, that this was special encoded data and all ring tones had to be purchased.

      I called BS on it, and told them that it was all bits, and I should be able to do what I wanted. The support monkey said no.

      A few weeks later, someone leaked the information; turns out you just needed a special HTTP header line to tell the phone that it was a Sprint-sanctioned ring tone, and it would download fine. Once it was published, I wrote a script to allow me to upload a MIDI file to my web site, which would then send a text message with the right URL to access it to my phone, and I would download it. It was awesome.

      A month later, Sprint came out with phones that allowed the user to edit midi files right on the phone itself.

      I guess I'm getting old. I'm sure there was a point in there somewhere. Maybe it's that all of the cell phone vendors and service providers have their own control issues. If you don't like it, as you say, vote with your wallet.

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    4. Re:Here's your roundup by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why are you posting here about "freaking phone apps" and not outside enjoying life, running through fields, in the company of another human being? We need to be idealistic about some things, and if Apple's insane policies become more accepted by the public then it's only a matter of time before the rest of the industry follows suit.

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    5. Re:Here's your roundup by Scaba · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can tell you don't live west of the Mississippi River.

      Everyone does, if you keep going.

    6. Re:Here's your roundup by Pojut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As stated in my previous post, the appstore would most likely be able to serve all of my needs, as far as applications are concerned...but that's not the point. The point is that there is no reason to pay a company so that they can tell me what I can and can't do with their device when there is another company that sells a similar device that lets me do whatever the hell I want with it. ::shrug:: That's it.

      Oh, and please...don't try to make comparisons to game consoles being closed too. That's an entirely different conversation.

    7. Re:Here's your roundup by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Man I hope you're wrong. I (probably like most slashdotters) learned a lot of what I know by tinkering. Apple's philosophy is about as polar opposite as you can get, if they (and the parent) get their way then there will be no tinkering. People like me who only program as hobbyists will be out in the cold. My big fear is that this whole computer-as-an-appliance trend will catch on and we'll be left with a new generation of users too dumb to troubleshoot their own devices.

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    8. Re:Here's your roundup by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Apple's business model is built on simplicity - they opt for defaults that are satisfactory for "most" people, and unfortunately, people who want unlocked "do whatever I want with it" phones are not in the majority. It sucks for the people who have the technical know-how not to brick their phones, but it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody who has ever looked at Apple's products.

    9. Re:Here's your roundup by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But what if I'm a NASCAR driver and perfectly capable of handling my car at 200 MPH? Why should I be restricted just because a bunch of old lady drivers can't be bothered to learn how to go more than 155?

      Let's be honest - you're dismissing the car argument because the cap is sufficiently high that you don't have the requisite expertise to operate it safely - placing you in the majority of car users. You don't see the arbitrary restriction on the iphone the same way because you're one of the few people who does have the expertise to not brick their phone.

      You can argue that the scale and safety implications are different, but what it boils down to is that you don't feel there should be any arbitrary restrictions on you in an area where you are an expert. And while that's understandable, the comparison is absolutely valid. Many consumer products have arbitrary limitations and restrictions placed on them in the interests of simplifying the devices for "the majority" of users. Unfortunately, your expertise with computers places you outside "the majority" of iPhone users, and so some of those restrictions are bound to chafe.

    10. Re:Here's your roundup by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ScummVM.

    11. Re:Here's your roundup by Vectormatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Put an unlock option somewhere in the settings behind a huge disclaimer, hell, you could even have it send a registration message to apple when the user unlocks the phone, voiding all warrantee

      Also, make said disclaimer SHORT, putting it in a 100 page EULA will just make people click 'OK' and then get upset about breaking their phone without knowing it could be done at all..

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    12. Re:Here's your roundup by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nonsense. AT&T is irrelevant in the rest of the entire world, and Android phones sell very well in countries where the iPhone is available on all major carriers.

    13. Re:Here's your roundup by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      1) no front-accessible access panels, 2) that needs special tools to open.

      Flip it upside-down and attack it with a hammer, screw-driver, knife and vice-grips. There's nothing that can't be "fixed" with those 4 tools.

      And if you make it worse - it was broken anyways. You now have spare parts.

    14. Re:Here's your roundup by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Liar. You "vastly prefer" buying from Apple to any open system, and that's all there is to it. Symbian is open, and vastly more widespread than the iOS. Android is open. Maemo is open. Saying that "the open system" is never going to happen is patently absurd.

    15. Re:Here's your roundup by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What application is it that you're desperate to use that has been barred from the app store? I'm just curious

      Debating over the length of the leash always seemed odd to me when the existence of the leash itself is unacceptable.

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  2. Re:Left handed by yyxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple prefers if you use your phone with both hands, in particular while visiting certain web sites; it keeps you out of trouble and prevents the moisture sensor from triggering.

  3. You forgot one by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

    The screens have yellow spots. Apparently these "retina" displays have cataracts.

    1. Re:You forgot one by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    2. Re:You forgot one by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative
      The difference though is this isn't Apple saying that they don't have problems, it is a well-informed person telling what is wrong in a very un-Apple way

      Apple is using a bonding agent called Organofunctional Silane Z-6011 to bond the layers of glass. Apparently, Apple (or more likely Foxconn) is shipping these products so quickly that the evaporation process is not complete. However, after one or two days of use, especially with the screen on, will complete the evaporation process and the yellow "blotches" will disappear. How do I know? I was involved in pitching Z-6011 to Apple.

      No one is denying that it exists, its just that it could very well just be the bonding agent not drying yet.

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    3. Re:You forgot one by iceborer · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's angel urine. They don't allow bathroom breaks on the iPhone's heavenly assembly lines.

  4. It's Official by organgtool · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Jobs doesn't care about left handed people. - Kanye

  5. Re:Left handed by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They couldn't justify cutting my Apps out of the market place. I had left-handed solitaire, left-handed minesweeper. I was starting a smorgasbord of left handed products. With no justifiable reason to keep me out, and with all the bad press lately about them selectively choosing their App store, they've decided to lock me out at the hardware level.

    Those dastardly fiends!

  6. It's still mostly used for calls... by ProdigyPuNk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps Apple (and others) need to shift emphasis back towards the actual calling features of their phones. Who wants a phone that drops calls if you hold it wrong ? It's great that it has new software, etcetc, but any phone I would consider buying needs to include basic features like better than average reception, a decent sounding speaker/mic, and most importantly, does not drop calls if you touch it in it's no-no spot.

    1. Re:It's still mostly used for calls... by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...Perhaps Apple has been paying attention to this area? That would help explain why a prototype was found in the wild.

      Yeah, a prototype which was tested inside a thick casing made of dielectric material.

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  7. Privacy Violations are BS by anethema · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At least almost certainly.

    MuscleNerd, one of the, if not THE foremost Apple device hacker out there has implied he has done code inspection and just through common sense says its all BS.

    There are a few tweets on the matter but this is one of the more telling:

    http://twitter.com/MuscleNerd/status/16876551921

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    1. Re:Privacy Violations are BS by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      MuscleNerd, one of the, if not THE foremost Apple device hacker out there has implied he has done code inspection and just through common sense says its all BS.

      Oh. Well that settles it then. If "MuscleNerd" tweeted it, then that's enough for me.

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  8. Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The multitasking complaint seems kind of off to me - he complains about the tray being "cluttered" after you go through a few apps because they are automatically added to the tray. But the tray is just four apps wide - how can you have clutter in only four items? And he complains he needs to press and hold to quit an app - but also complains most apps are just suspended. So then why quit an app? It's not doing anything and will be removed if you are low on memory.

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    1. Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus by Darak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The OS is supposed to manage itself the memory consumption and automatically close background apps as needed, with no interaction needed from the user. The tasks tray is simply a history of recent applications: background applications are guaranteed to be there, but this will be also the clase of old applications with no background support. So yes, you can press and hold to remove apps from the list - but you're not supposed or required to do so.

      In my humble opinion, this is a good thing. Many users have enough problems understanding the concept of running applications in the background, and more so in a small screen where there is no permanent dock or taskbar.

    2. Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article complains that to enable multitasking, developers have to change code. Is that really a serious complaint or is the author complaining just to complain. Things don't automagically happen in everyday life. If multitasking were enabled by default then any and all apps that you open would run continuously in the background. That would use all the memory and the battery. And the phone would eventually crash as it ran out of resources. And how many apps actually to need to run in the background as opposed to merely suspending? Did the author not think about that?

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    3. Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, on Android all apps support multi-tasking out of the box. And it's not just because it's been there since v1. It's because the framework practically forces you into supporting the suspend/resume model of multi-tasking (though you have the option of "the real thing" if you want it). Android apps are built up out of activities, and each activity suspends its state to what is basically a small file when it leaves the screen and reads back from it when it comes back. To move between screens, you pass the OS another little bundle of data. It's quite an interesting system once you get used to it, though like most of Android it's optional.

    4. Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The default behavior of iPhone apps is that they get suspended them when you are not in the foreground with the exception of the push notifications and phone services. What the author was complaining about was that in order to use any of the advanced multitasking options, developers have change code that tells iOS that the app should have a different behavior than the default. Is that really a serious complaint?

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  9. phone-hand issues by demonbug · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently Apple's testers discovered some new way of using phones that does not include holding it in your hand.

    Also;

    You mean you have to use your hands?
    That's like a baby's toy!

  10. Not trolling... by rotide · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously, is anyone else getting tired of the daily Apple story on the iPhone?

    I get it, it's tech that people like, but do we really need daily updates on it? This site tends to be a heavy linux advocate and there is a nice writeup of the EVO 4G on Ars today. Not a peep of that though, MORE APPLE!

  11. Re:makes little technical sense by matt_macleod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a completely nonsensical argument. Apple already have complete control over applications that are available through the app store and, as such, there's no need for technical limitations to prevent people from running such services in the background. I've seen many people claim that Apple's multitasking "sucks," but I've yet to see any convincing argument as to why it would be implemented in such a way for anything other than the reasons they profess!

  12. What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Android supports full preemptive multitasking, thanks to it being built on Linux.

    You do realize that you can't change reality, or the pain that you suffer from due to having bought an iPhone, by spreading outright lies about non-Apple devices and software, right?

    Regardless of what you say or believe, Android will still support preemptive multitasking, while iOS does not.

    1. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by medcalf · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you are confused. Pre-emptive multitasking means that the kernel (technically, the scheduler) decides when a process runs and when it yields; the process has no control. In cooperative multitasking, there is a system call which the applications must use to yield control, and the scheduler simply decides which task gets control next (but not when it will yield). The iPhone has full pre-emptive multitasking (it, too, is built on UNIX, BSD in this case), it just limits the applications' ability to use it if you are publishing through the app store.

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    2. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try again. iPhone apps can't call the equivalent even of Windows 3.1 yield(); - they either run in the foreground, or they're suspended - like the DOS 5.0 task swapper.

      The few exceptions need to take advantage of a special api call for music, of all things.

      If you want a real multi-tasking OS on your phone, you won't get it from Apple. Not this year, and not next year. They're already starting to fall behind in the features race.

    3. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try again. iPhone apps can't call the equivalent even of Windows 3.1 yield(); - they either run in the foreground, or they're suspended - like the DOS 5.0 task swapper.

      Don't be disingenuous. The parent was correct; iOS has a kernel with a preemptive task scheduler, and there are any number of API calls which explicitly yield or do the moral equivalent (any blocking I/O API call). Even while an app runs in the foreground it is always being multitasked with other parts of the system.

      Also, by definition tasks in a preemptive multitasking OS either run or are suspended, at the operating system's whim. The difference between that and a system like DOS 5 is left as an exercise for the reader.

      The few exceptions need to take advantage of a special api call for music, of all things.

      And other 'special' APIs for other things. Apple has tried to come up with a comprehensive list of tasks which can usefully be backgrounded on a smartphone, such as messaging, downloads, and yes, audio playback. You simply register a thread (process? dunno the exact details) as providing such a service, and the OS allows it to continue to receive timeslices (assuming it's not blocked on I/O) while your main application is held suspended because it's not in the foreground. There are significant limits on what you can do in that context, but they all make sense in terms of limiting power consumption.

      If you want a real multi-tasking OS on your phone, you won't get it from Apple. Not this year, and not next year. They're already starting to fall behind in the features race.

      Oh please. You're smart enough to know that iOS is built on the Darwin kernel, and what that implies about its multitasking capabilities. All the limitations are deliberate and carefully thought out. It's undeniable that they're there because Apple thinks they will provide a better overall user experience, because the path of least effort for Apple would have let users multitask anything on day 1 of the app store going live. Instead they went to the trouble of doing extra work to restrict it.

      Argue against the design of iOS 4's carefully limited multitasking if you like (oh no! That would require you to actually inform yourself! Can't have that), but pretending it's not "real" and that they're falling years behind is just trollish.

  13. Reception Issue - Hacked by strayant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would be curious about the conductivity of certain coatings. I personally hate covers for phones, as they add bulk. As a person with nickel allergies, I have to coat belt buckles and the like with acrylic. I wonder if the same would help this antenna. If so, then they could do something similar in the manufacturing process. They do similar coatings for fishing rods that weather well.

  14. Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

    iPhone has preemptive multitasking, too, it's just not fully exposed to applications.

    However, a misbehaving application cannot prevent others from running, which was the case with true cooperative multitasking OSes, such as Win3.x.

  15. They did by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    The new iPhone actually does address a lot of the calling complaints.

    If you read the engadget review, the metal external antenna really do improve signal and ( for them) eliminated dropped calls.

    The speakers are supposed to be improved for hearing people, and the phone had two microphones now so it can do noise cancelation.

    Basically, they did a lot of things to improve call quality.

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  17. Wrong about multitasking by dFaust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently the author who wrote about multitasking hasn't actually tried it out yet, because he's off-base. While the app tray does quickly get cluttered, as he mentions, the lack of true multitasking is exactly why this doesn't matter - you can have as many apps down there as you want but they're not actively consuming resources. Where he's really off is in his implication that it now becomes difficult to find your apps to switch back to them. Look, if I'm playing Peggle and then use 4, or worst case 8, apps after switching out of Peggle - mentally I just won't even think to look in the task tray for it anymore. I just can't keep track of every app I've used in my brain. The tray will quickly let me switch back to my most recently used apps, which is really handy - but when I want to switch back to the middle of my Peggle game a week and 20 other app uses later I... and this will sound crazy... click the Peggle icon wherever it's located on my main screens. The author seems to think that the only way to resume an app is from the task tray, and that's simply not true.

    Granted, I had some uncertainty about how this would work, too. But I grabbed a new iPhone and tried it out to see exactly how it works, rather than hopping on the interwebs and writing up an article with uninformed assumptions which then ended up on the front page of /.

    Additionally, he goes on to say that developers have to explicitly add multitasking. While that's true for using the background services, my understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong folks, as I have this on good authority but haven't actually tried it) is that for the base level of background freezing, which for a majority of apps is all that's really needed, all you have to do is recompile the app against iOS 4. It's not automagic, but it's really not so bad as the author implies. The worst bit about it is submitting to the app store, but it should be pretty painless to get to that point.

    Granted, it's not true multitasking. Everyone knows that by now. But frankly, I'd rather the phone always be responsive and maintain its battery life than have true multitasking for the vast majority of the things that I do and have no desire to have to actively manage my apps (which contrary to the author's claims, I don't have to do). Maybe some day I'll change my mind on that. Maybe right now this level of multitasking isn't good enough for many people out there. And that's cool, we have options now - get one of the many excellent Android phones. But please don't write a blog post of inaccuracies.

    1. Re:Wrong about multitasking by bledri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's just not a well-designed feature.

      I disagree, I think it's simple and elegant. A stack with the most recently run app always moving to the top (left) makes sense to me and I've found switching between the handful of apps I'm using during any given period really efficient. Any app I'm not actively switching back to naturally falls away as recently viewed apps move in front of it.

      If you don't delete them manually, eventually all your apps are going to appear there, and what the hell is the use of that?

      It really doesn't matter how deep the stack goes (though I assume there is some arbitrary limit). It's not as if they add any visual clutter since you have to actively scroll to see them and as mentioned above, if you didn't use an app recently the natural thing to do is to use it's icon on the home page. It's only confusing if you think you have to manually manage each app's state. But the whole point behind Apple's limited multi-tasking and UI is that the end user should not have to manage an app's state.

      There needs to be a way of quitting apps without adding them to the bar.

      And there is the rub. You don't typically "quit" an iOS app, you switch away from it. Whether the app actually exits or not is determined by the app and iOS. You can choose to force the app to exit, but there is rarely any need (so far the only reason I've forced an app to close was to see how that changed it's behavior next time I switched to it.)

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  18. Re:makes little technical sense by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From other platforms, we know that is not a major battery drain

    The people who make those platforms would beg to differ, Larry Page himself said that poor battery life in android is usually down to multitasking.

  19. Re:makes little technical sense by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From other platforms, we know that is not a major battery drain, and it's perfectly possible for a scheduler to do automatically whatever Apple's special APIs are trying to achieve.

    Um, even Google acknowledges that multitasking hurts battery life. As a geek, that's an acceptable tradeoff because you know about it. For the average consumer that can barely distinguish the difference between Li-Poly and Lipitor, all they'll know is that the battery life on their iPhone sucks and Apple is totally to blame.

    With multitasking, you could run local file servers and local web servers. You could create new applications delivery platforms, local music servers, and a local file system and file manager.

    With the iPhone, Apple succeeded in selling a smartphone to consumers by hiding all the complexities of a smartphone like the filesystem and a file manager. And you want to undo all of that? Maybe perhaps Apple didn't design the iPhone for geeks like you.

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  20. Multitasking as the dev's responsiblity. Common? by the.aham · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the TechWorld iOS4 multitasking article in the summary:

    Waiting for a YouTube video to buffer over a 3G connection? It won't go anywhere unless you're staring at the loading screen.

    Honestly, doesn't this also happen by default with applications on other mobile OS'es like Android, unless the developer specifies otherwise in the app's code?

    From what I understand about the Android application life cycle under normal circumstances, once an Activity (the app's presentation layer, what you interact with) is completely obscured, the application's host process becomes a "background" process. Meaning, the app's Activities aren't visible and there are no Services running, thereby making the app's host process one of the first processes to be killed off so to allocate resources. (Service example: a media player running in the background while you're actively using another app). For an app's host process to remain in an active state, the app must have a running Activity, Service or Broadcast Receiver. In my following the Android dev tutorials, I've seen that only the Activity is absolutely required - Services and Broadcast Receivers are added only when you need them for your app to fulfill it's intended purpose.

    So, in the case of buffering the YouTube video, if I were writing an Android app to do just that, I'd have to have explicitly created a Service to keep buffering the video while I used another app. If I didn't create a Service to keep buffering when the app's Activity exited the active state, then my app would do just what the article says - the app does nothing until I explicitly return to the app.

    Am I missing something?

  21. Re:makes little technical sense by yyxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a completely nonsensical argument. Apple already have complete control over applications that are available through the app store

    That's an obvious but wrong response. Apple also wouldn't have to declare any explicit prohibitions on scripting languages, they could just turn down applications, but the resulting uncertainty would be bad for developers. Therefore, when Apple doesn't want unrestricted multitasking, they need to communicate and implement that somehow in a way that doesn't create hazards for their developers.

    By defining a specific set of APIs and laying down the rule "no multitasking except through these APIs", Apple gets the restrictions they want, developers get clear rules to follow, and users still get the amount of multitasking Apple is willing to give them. In different words, the existence of these extra APIs codifies business strategy.

    If you have another explanation, let's hear it, but Apple's explanation is nonsense. Whatever technical goals Apple says they want to achieve, they could simply achieve through small modifications to their scheduler, if need be, on a per-application basis, with much less work for themselves and their developers.

  22. Multi-tasking by jemenake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I posted this as a comment on the multi-tasking article, but I'll restate it here with a little more verbosity.

    Ever since I've had an iPhone, I've wondered what the obsession is with multitasking. I couldn't really think of any two *productive* things to do simultaneously on a phone. On a PC (by that I mean a desktop, laptop, netbook), I can appreciate the need to go do some other design work while you render a huge video, or burn a DVD, or OCR a huge document. On a phone, I can't, off-hand, think of much CPU-intensive stuff that can run for an extended time without needing to stop for user input. Because of that, productivity is lost because you're having to stop and switch apps all the time. The meaning of "EMACS" is true. Editors Make All Computers Slow. If the device is waiting for user input, then its speed (or multitasking ability) is moot.

    Wanting to Pandora to keep streaming while you tweet is *not* a productivity enhancer; it's merely letting you be a little more streamlined about wasting your time (kinda like texting while you watch TV). Now, I know I'm sounding like an old "all work, no play" curmudgeon about this (and get off my lawn, too!). Don't get me wrong. I agree that being able to keep Pandora going while I do other stuff is a nicety, but I don't think that something like that is such a "must have" thing that it warrants all of the articles and posts we've seen demanding that Apple make significant changes to the OS and its API in order to make it possible. I'd never once make the argument that the iPhone OS has some glaring hole in its functionality because I can't listen to music while I'm sending a text.

    Yet, Apple caved and gave it to us anyway. So now, the dude who wrote the article is mad because he can't go do something else while a YouTube video loads. Breaking story: If you're visiting YouTube, you've already decided that your time isn't valuable. I read another article where a guy was mad because he couldn't go switch to something else in the 5-6 seconds while a page loads in Safari (probably while he's driving, too).

    My position on full background-execution multitasking remains unchanged from the first time I tried a Windows Mobile phone after being a Palm user for years. With a small device like a phone, it's just too easy for a user to rack up this huge array of crap running in the background without realizing it. And that, potentially, has a greater impact on your productivity since it will gobble up the power in your battery. With a PC, you've got a task bar or a dock to see what you've got running. In addition, there's a one-click way of shutting off the app. Whenever a Windows Mobile user would have me look at their phone to fix it, I'd find that they had a half-dozen things still running: control panel, mail, notepad, contacts... all of these things were things where they had finished their work with those apps, but they either didn't realize that they had to close the apps or they were too lazy to press "Menu->File->Quit". Instead, they just went back to the home screen and started the next app they wanted.

    Personally, I think that Apple's compromise is a good one. If your app doesn't have a compelling reason to keep executing (like streaming audio, getting GPS updates for navigation, etc.), then the most your app really needs is just to have its state saved for quick re-launch.

    1. Re:Multi-tasking by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I think that Apple's compromise is a good one. If your app doesn't have a compelling reason to keep executing (like streaming audio, getting GPS updates for navigation, etc.), then the most your app really needs is just to have its state saved for quick re-launch.

      The problem with Apple's compromise is that the definition of "compelling" is defined by Apple, while in reality it should be defined by the user. In that sense, the Android compromise is more reasonable - the normal programming model for applications revolves around "activities", which also have lifetime not dissimilar to iOS model - an app switched into background is typically frozen. But an app can explicitly launch a background processing thread - a "service" - if it needs to; and the service can do anything at all (well, apart from displaying UI), not just something that Google has deemed "background worthy".

      What I'd like to see on Android, though, is a permission that controls whether an app is allowed to spawn background services, which would be listed alongside others in the confirmation screen when app is installed.

    2. Re:Multi-tasking by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In other words, what you want is a smartphone that will confuse the heck out of the average user. Most users are not capable of making an intelligent and informed decision on what apps should be running in the background, particularly since the apps can come from anywhere and aren't necessarily vetted first. The average user will either forbid or allow most background privileges, and therefore will either get no benefit from background processing or wind up with a sluggish phone draining the battery.

      I'm not saying that what you are asking is unreasonable, but that it's simply not going to work for most people. Since Apple makes its money selling easy-to-use tech, Apple's not going to make the phone you want.

      There is a great deal of value in making things accessible to non-techies, and in order to do that you have to remove a lot of choices. That's simply the way it is. The average user doesn't know enough to make a good decision on many things, and will simply become frustrated when asked an unintelligible question. That's been one of the complaints about Microsoft: UAC, for example, relies on the user to make an accurate technical decision on the spur of the moment with insufficient information.

      On a larger system, it's easier to have more choices but to hide them normally. On a handheld, this is a lot less practical.

      There are trade-offs here. There is no one right answer. Apple's answer is perfectly valid, and useful for a wide range of people.

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  23. iPhone 4, can NOT Upload 720p Videos to youtube by mhx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    iPhone 4, can NOT Upload 720p Videos to youtube direct from phone! What a Shame see http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10309456

  24. They'd better do it soon by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The day Apple makes iPhone available on Verizon, the market for Android devices will take an enormous hit."

    Apple should have released it on Verizon 6 months ago. Apple is letting Google's platform become firmly entrenched, and now that hardware manufacturers don't have to write their own OS, they can provide all kinds of interesting handset features. This will rapidly become a PC versus Mac type battle.

    The point is, if Apple waits another year to release to Verizon, the impact will be interesting, but it will be too late to have the kind of impact you think.

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  25. Re:You also can't load code onto your microwave by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your face is wrong :p

    But seriously though.

    If you think of the iPhone as an appliance and not a computer, then it makes perfect sense.

    I often hear this argument, and my response is always the same: it doesn't matter how you spin it, it doesn't matter what you call it, it doesn't matter what you "think of it as"...the fact is, Apple offers a restricted product while others offer an unrestricted product. I have a choice as a consumer, and I've made one.

  26. Developer's Perspective by meehawl · · Score: 4, Informative

    From a developer's perspective, iOS is the platform to beat.

    Median iOS developer income per app: $682 per year.

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    1. Re:Developer's Perspective by devjj · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You can make statistics say whatever you want. 90% of the apps in the app store are trash, and I can say that as a happy iPhone owner. The guys who are putting major time into creating good apps are actually making money. How many fscking flashlight apps do the numbers from that article include? How many fart apps? Just saying.

  27. Re:Someone doesn't grok Econ 101 by toriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft? Can you install anything you like on a Zune? No. Can you install what you want on an XBox 360? No. Will you be able to install freely on a Kin or other Windows Phone 7 series device? No. Comparing Windows to iPhones is comparing apples and clay bricks.

    Apple are NOT falling behind, because only a TINY fraction of users are tech-geeks who "need" full control over their device. The ONLY thing propping Android up is the Google support, there have been other open platforms and they failed. Why? Because the openness is not in demand by the majority of the market. It would not surprise me if the three million iPads sold in three months exceed the total number of Windows-based tablets manufactured since the release of Windows 3 Pen Edition back in the day...

    Most people want something that just works. Which is what Apple sells.

  28. Re:makes little technical sense by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've clearly never had to manage files on a WM phone. A 3.5" screen, even with 480 resolution, is not conducive to intensive file management.

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