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MIT Says Natural Gas Best To Lower Carbon Emissions

eldavojohn writes "This week MIT released a comprehensive, hundred-page report entitled 'The Future of Natural Gas' that outlined the many scenarios the United States faces when aiming to reduce carbon emissions. From the New York Times recap: 'The scenario goes like this, according to MIT: Nuclear power, renewable energy, and carbon capture and sequestration are relatively expensive next to gas. Conventional coal is no longer a major source of power generation in the United States. "Natural gas is the substantial winner in the electric sector: The substitution effect, mainly gas generation for coal generation, outweighs the demand reduction effect."' Will this urging help to produce a policy shift from renewable energy (like wind) to natural gas for the United States?"

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  1. Oh Boy... by sycodon · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...the environmental wackos aren't going to like this.

    Natural gas = carbon emissions however reduced they may be.
    Natural gas = drilling

    Yeah, this ain't gonna fly. Just wait for the big fat raspberry from the greens.

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  2. Not good enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Environmentalists demand that you get your power from pixie dust or else!

  3. In agreement on hazards of wind power by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1, Troll
    Because in the words of John Rowe, CEO of electric power generation company Exelon and a "believer" in the need to reduce carbon emissions, "Wind is a natural gas play."

    Owing to the intermittent nature of wind, the need for 100% backup of generating capacity, and the ability to provide at most 20% of total electricity, wind is a way to in effect get an extra increment in efficiency in a natural-gas based electric power generation economy. As such, you can ascribe to wind power all of the evils you ascribe to natural gas production, only, about 20% less.

  4. Re:Summary is BS by daveime · · Score: 1, Troll

    Yes, because the primary concern when discussing potential fuel sources the the next millenium is deciding where to put the fucking apostrophe.

    Have you got nothing better to do with your time ?

  5. Re:Methane clathrate by apoc.famine · · Score: 0, Troll

    The question is whether or not it's cost effective to do so. At the moment, it isn't. If we tax the hell out of coal and oil, it might be.

    Pretty much we're at the point where we either have to legislate against coal and oil, or we have to tax carbon emissions heavily. There's no market incentive to stop with either.

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  6. Re:Renewables Advantages Over Exhaustibles by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

    My credibility comes from the facts. If you choose to ignore them because of some Bush-era talking points you insist on clinging to, that's your problem. I'm not interested in convincing people like you who insisted we go into Iraq and stay there. You will just have to get dragged along with everyone else as we claw our way out of the hole you forced us to dig there.

    Translation, he knows the truth so we will ignore him and move on to some useful idiot.

    It's an oil war. What made Iraq unusual among all the targets for invasion was its oil. The UN controlled Iraq's oil when it was under Saddam Hussein's control; that hasn't been in the way for over 5 years now.

    So you do not dispute what I said, the UN controlled Iraq's oil until it officially recognized the Iraqi government as a separate entity of Saddam's regime.

    The possibility that the US might never get preferential access to it doesn't matter: the oil was the bait that already got us to spend the $TRILLION (that you people said would be negligible). The Oil War isn't necessarily for oil, but it's certainly about oil. Otherwise there's plenty of other countries where victory and democracy were actually achievable. But they wouldn't have been perfect places for Halliburton and its other oil ilk, topped by Bush/Cheney, to get US corporate welfare for a decade or more.

    In order for you to believe that, you have to ignore the actual history of Iraq upto and including the takeover. I never could understand how people like you could insist that some conspiracy is at work while ignoring the very real facts in order to make the case. Plenty of other countries shouldn't have even been in your statement at all. Iraq wasn't about bringing democracy to Iraq until after Saddam was out of power. Saddam claimed to have WMDs and wouldn't let the UN inspection teams validate whether he did or didn't. This validation was mandatory as part of the cease fire agreements that stopped hostilities of the first gulf war.

    Iraq became a big problem when the threat of terrorism was brought home to civilians instead of military targets abroad. Whether Saddam actually had WMDs or not, the world believed he did in some capacity before the 2003 invasion because Saddam was personally attempting to make them believe that. He said in an interview that he was afraid of invasion if the neighboring countries thought he was defenseless. Now with terrorism hitting home, Saddam having banned WMDs and publicly stating his design to inflict harm to the US, he became a very real threat that not only had the capacity, suspected capabilities, but the motivations to move these WMDs to terrorists for their use against American citizen at home. Bush has always said that after 9/11, we can no longer sit back and wait for something to develop- we need to be proactive when the threat is that real. We invaded Iraq for those reasons- because 9/11 changed everything for the administration.

    Now I know you don't get it. You're probably one of those people who won't listen to the details long enough to understand any of them and say Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 when the reality of the situation is that 9/11 had to do with why we went into Iraq not the other way around. Only then can your wild conspiracies make sense outside of your own mind. It's about oil right, yea only if we conveniently forget about the entire 90's leading up to the 2003 invasion.

  7. Re:Natural gas has one advantage over renewables by jcr · · Score: 0, Troll

    wait for Ayn Rand to descend from the heavens and tell us what to do

    That may seem like a clever quip to you, but Rand's philosophy is all about not telling people what to do.

    -jcr

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  8. Re:Thanks! by khallow · · Score: 0, Troll

    This 99% fixation on OMG WE NEED MORE POWER PLANTS! Instead of looking to REDUCE DEMAND is plain nuts.

    Electricity consumers aren't stupid. There's a natural explanation for why demand hasn't reduced on its own. Because the consumer loses more than they gain. Given that, why should we attempt to artificial reduce demand?

    There's tons and tons of places that we could be reducing demand at, without reducing quality of life at all

    Then why isn't it already done? Answer: because demand reduction reduces our quality of life.

  9. Re:Natural gas - dependent upon fuel cost? by Rogerborg · · Score: 0, Troll

    CO2 cleanup money grows on trees.

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