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Mozilla Updates Firefox To Appease FarmVille Users

CWmike writes "Just three days after adding plug-in crash protection to Firefox, Mozilla rushed out another release because people playing FarmVille on Facebook complained that their browser was shutting down the game. Although complaints about Firefox's quick killing of hung plug-ins were not limited to FarmVille, that game was the squeaky wheel that got the update grease. 'A lot of people play FarmVille. To ignore those people for any length of time could have a significant effect on Firefox's share of browser users,' said Firefox user Jeff Rivett on Bugzilla Sunday. 'The problem already existed, but the perceived impact suddenly changed, giving it a much higher priority.'"

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  1. Need for more varied beta testers by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd been wondering why Mozilla rushed out an update so quickly after releasing 3.6.4, because they'd been testing that crash protection for months. I think I installed the first release candidate at the beginning of May, and they released several more candidates between that time and the final release.

    Now we know: The type of user who is willing to beta-test a web browser is a lot less likely to play Farmville, or else has a super-fast computer that Farmville doesn't hang. Otherwise, this would have been caught a month ago.

    1. Re:Need for more varied beta testers by ydrol · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:Need for more varied beta testers by enter+to+exit · · Score: 4, Funny

      hello Mr.Obama, president SIR!

    3. Re:Need for more varied beta testers by Eraesr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, the problem wasn't directly caused by Firefox. Their plugin crash protection has a timeout of 10 seconds. It waits 10 seconds for a response from the plugin. If it's not received within that timeout period, the plugin is killed. Apparently FarmVille took more than 10 seconds to load, sucking up all CPU cycles in the process, causing Firefox to think the plugin crashed and killing it. So the real problem here was a shitty implementation of FarmVille.

  2. So much for the idea.... by HerculesMO · · Score: 5, Funny

    That Firefox users were smarter internet users.

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    1. Re:So much for the idea.... by DIplomatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That Firefox users were smarter internet users.

      No, see a couple of years ago the smarter internet users started installing Firefox for their computer-illiterate friends and family to get them away from IE.
      THOSE are the type of people that play FarmVille.

    2. Re:So much for the idea.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually those of use that recommend FF are more sophisticated, but those we recommend it to may not be. Plus you have to realize Farmville is like catnip to females. Don't ask me why, but I haven't seen a game so many females play since the original Age of Empires. Even my GF who frankly thinks games are a waste of time ended up hooked on Farmville and that treasure hunting game they have on FB.

      So like many other times in life we simply have to put up with it because the females love it, kinda like those God Awful "relationship" movies, AKA chick flicks. Why we can't teach the female population the artistic merits of big guns, huge explosions, and tons of CGI? It is a riddle for the ages my friend, a riddle for the ages.

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    3. Re:So much for the idea.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The farmville players can be intelligent people

      Citation needed.

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    4. Re:So much for the idea.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, she says after a hard day of selling vacation packages (if you fill out the card at one of those booths to win a Mini Cooper, and a nice gal with a southern drawl calls to ask if you would like a vacation to Branson BE NICE, it is just her job) planting veggies for a couple of hours relaxes her. I even gave her one of my old spares so when/if something goes wrong with hers she can use the spare until she can come down for the weekend so I can fix her main rig.

      I can't really bitch about those social sites though, as I met my sweetie on one. I got tired of all the drama queens I was meeting locally so a friend talked me into trying Tagged, and after about a month of swing and a miss I met my baby, and we have been together nearly two years now. She lives about 250 miles round trip, so she comes down one weekend and I go up the next. No jealousy, no cheating, no drama. She is like a breath of fresh air compared to the nutjobs I usually end up with.

      So if the worst I have to deal with is her needing to play her FB games several times a week I can live with that. I replaced her mobo with one from an old gaming rig I had lying around, loaded it and the old spare with RAM and a couple of old Geforce cards, and she is a happy little camper. I have found with those FB games there is no such thing as too much RAM, and a discrete GPU really helps. I put a 6xxx series with 512Mb of RAM in the old spare and even though it is just a 733MHz SFF I had left from an office upgrade she says it works great for FB. Of course I used Nlite to strip XP down and make it strictly an Internet box, so that may be part of the reason why it works well.

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    5. Re:So much for the idea.... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No, see a couple of years ago the smarter internet users started installing Firefox for their computer-illiterate friends and family to get them away from IE.
      THOSE are the type of people that play FarmVille.

      There are about a billion PC users - 900 million or so running Windows.

      But only a million Slashdot geeks.

      For the alternative browser to maintain traction, the momentum has to come from ordinary users, not the evangelist with his forced conversions.

      The evangelist doesn't have that many friends, he meets resistance, he hits a wall, he stalls out.

  3. Oblig... by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    people playing FarmVille on Facebook complained that their browser was shutting down the game.

    "It's a *Feature*.

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    1. Re:Oblig... by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They are obviously resting one of their palms on the left front edge of the keyboard and hosing their signal. Did they not see the memo?

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    2. Re:Oblig... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Firefox quite often complains about various security problems with Zynga games"

      That's because zynga games are quite often malware in disguise. It's probably something to do with zynga's sloppy coding combined with the fact that their applications all try to push their advertising crap onto your machine in a covert way. Firefox is working as intended.

      I realize that you aren't complaining here, but your post almost reads like "My antivirus keeps trying to delete all these viruses I downloaded".

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  4. Technology outcome by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Behold, decades of networking research and painstaking software development has brought us to this moment--watering tomatoes on a website.

    1. Re:Technology outcome by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who spent quite a bit of time tending a virtual lemonade stand on an Apple ][, I'd have to say this isn't a new trend!

    2. Re:Technology outcome by eastlight_jim · · Score: 5, Informative

      I assume that you've seen the Farmville parody video that's been circulating for a while. Definitely worth checking out if you've got a couple of spare minutes. Had me in stitches.

  5. Also affects Flash developers by josath · · Score: 5, Informative

    The other annoying thing about this "hung plugin detector"? It counts a Flash plugin paused for debugging (so you can look at the call stack, step through code, etc) as hung. For weeks I've been cursing Flash for always crashing in Firefox, because when Firefox kills the plugin, it displays the same generic message as if the plugin has actually crashed. Only recently did I find out that Firefox is the real cause of my pain, not Adobe!

    I wish they had done it like Chrome, or like Firefox already does with JS, where instead it pops up a little dialog telling you that the plugin is unresponsive, and would you like to kill it? Seems very suspicious, I wonder if there's someone at Mozilla with an anti-Flash agenda that wants to make Flash look more unstable than it really is?

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    1. Re:Also affects Flash developers by josath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not crap :(

      Some types of complex applications are just not possible in HTML5, and even if they were, wouldn't be available to 50%+ of our users (eg people using IE). So the only solution if we want to get our product to market today, is to use Flash. Believe me, I hate Flash ad banners and crappy Flash navigation websites as much as the next guy. But when you're doing an advance online collaboration application, your only choices are pretty much Java, Silverlight, or Flash. And for various reasons, Flash sucks the least out of all three of them.

      When HTML5 is sufficient and has the marketshare to do what we want, I'll be right up there with RMS trying to port my apps to it, but it's just not the reality today.


      tl;dr; sorry for feeding the trolls.

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    2. Re:Also affects Flash developers by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

      aren't services like Google Wave written without Flash, just loads of Javascript?

      What is the counterpart to HTML5 <canvas>, HTML5 local storage, HTML5 page manifests, HTML5 new <input type=> values, etc. in Internet Explorer 7 and 8? And in JavaScript, how do you ask the user's permission to turn on the computer's webcam (if present) and then send the video stream to the server?

  6. No Bug, Artificial Intelligence at work. by rockhopjohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't think that was a bug, looks like more of a sign of AI on the browser's part.

  7. Don't Hit Me! by cusco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, by the gods I hope this works. My wife has come close to throwing her nice, fairly-new laptop against the wall for the last several days. EverQuest fanatics don't hold a candle to Farmville players.

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  8. Re:As a female... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're welcome! I swear that game used to draw in so many females my former boss bought a case of the game, and then had me install it on every PC. I was like "WTF Doug? AoE 1? Two is out already!" and he just put a couple of PCs running the game in the windows and said "Watch and learn kid" and sure enough, it wasn't 20 minutes before girls started walking into the store going "Age of Empires? I looove that game!". We really increased sales to women by offering that game free with any PC purchase.

    I think it is because unlike most games you never have to fight to succeed in AoE1. There are several ways to win without violence, such as building a monument, or a strategy I watched played many times by my sister I call the "Priests o' doom" where you build large walls around your camp and then send priests out to convert the enemy. With a large enough priest brigade one can take over entire villages without firing a shot.

    But if you like long games with several ways to play give it a shot. I'm sure with the expansion packs you can get it for a little of nothing on Amazon, and with its random level generator you'll never play the same game twice. You might also want to try Good old games for tons of great strategy and other games, all under $10. For RPG I would suggest Divine Divinity or Sacred Gold (both great and looooong) and for strategy/rpg try King's Bounty: The Legend. By concentrating on magix you can kick butt on the above games without resorting to violence, and KB:The Legend even has your play affected by which woman you choose as a wife later in the game (don't choose the frog princess, she is seriously whiny!). All of the above are quite fun for both sexes IMHO. Enjoy!

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