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France Says D-Star Ham Radio Mode Is Illegal

gyrogeerloose writes "Citing 'national security concerns,' the French Autorité de Régulation des Communications Électroniques et des Postes (ARCEP, France's equivalent of the US's FCC) has ruled that D-Star, an amateur radio digital signal mode used world-wide, is illegal because it could allow operators to connect to the Internet.The ARCEP also cites alleged concerns regarding cryptography and national security as well as the use of a proprietary codec. While it's true that the D-Star codec is proprietary, its owner has openly licensed it (for a fee, of course) to any manufacturer who wants to build it into their equipment. Any licensed amateur radio operator who lives within the EU can sign an online petition protesting this decision."

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  1. ... and Winlink 2000? by dtmos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So how does Winlink 2000, a digital protocol (using a patented codec, too, I think) that supplies email service over the amateur shortwave bands, escape notice? It's a lot harder to communicate a significant distance at the VHF and UHF ranges typically used by D-Star than the HF bands used by Winlink systems.

    The ways of bureaucracies are often mysterious.

  2. Re:every modulation method can be 'net-connected by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    The French are afraid their net-connected hams will offend Pakistan.

  3. simple solution by sunking2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tell them it is being used to fix their football program.

  4. Re:Wait, What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a ham in the U.S., I can tell you that here, there is a severe restriction on communication in that no commercial messages may be relayed. It took years for the FCC to grant an exemption to allow hams to autopatch to order pizza.

    As far as I know, there's no exemption for ads (adsense or otherwise), which would severely restrict what traffic you could have over the session. IRC MOTDs that advertise the hosting service? AdSense web ads? Nope, nope.

  5. Why now? by red_dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did they just now figure out that IP, and thus the Internet, can be routed over ham radio? Have they never heard of AMPRnet? How about AX.25? I was able to get (very very slow) Internet access back in 1997 with a KPC-3, an old Yaesu HT, and the Linux AX.25 stack.

    Methinks some PHB at France Telecom just got wind of it and is throwing a hissy fit.

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    1. Re:Why now? by Eric+Green · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am on a D-STAR discussion list. Apparently the issue is that D-STAR has not previously been an allowed digital mode in France, and there is an old time neanderthal HF ham radio guy in their radio regulatory department (the type of guy who believes ham radio died the moment there was no longer a requirement to build your own HF morse code transceiver in order to get a ham license) who does not believe that *any* digital modes should be allowed who is now in a position to block the adoption of new digital modes. Check out this list of a large number of digital modes that are banned in France (note that this page is in French, but if you are American you should be able to read the huge number of disallowed modes, and the much smaller number of allowed modes at the end). In any event, the whole "can be routed over the Internet" thingy is a base canard being used by this old-school guy to disallow digital modes, rather than the real reason, so ... (shrug).

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  6. Re:Wait, What? by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if they're going to ban carrier pidgeons as well since they also allow connections to the net.
    http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/

    They seem to be claiming that it would allow somone to set up an unofficial ISP.

    By that kind of logic just about anything at all could be used to connect to the internet.

    If I was a big electronics geek I could theoretically set up a pair of toy laser pointers + some light sensors to allow me to relay internet traffic by line of sight (with crappy bandwidth) but that wouldn't be that much more complex than what they seem to be talking about.

    Hell you could set up a piece of string with some motors and sensors to relay ip data IPOP (IP Over Pullies)

  7. Re:Wait, What? by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    He doesn't understand the issue, so he asked a question. Sorry that offends your sensibilities.

    Clearly he doesn't understand the way we do things here. If you don't understand the issue, pretend that you do. If you do understand the issue, read the other comments, hold your head in your hands and rock back and forth hoping that the pain will stop.

  8. Re:every modulation method can be 'net-connected by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do you draw the line?

    Along the eastern border with Germany, but not extending all of the way to Belgium.

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