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MS Design Lets You Put Batteries In Any Way You Want

jangel writes "While its strategy for mobile devices might be a mess, Microsoft has announced something we'll all benefit from. The company's patented design for battery contacts will allow users of portable devices — digital cameras, flashlights, remote controls, toys, you name it — to insert their batteries in any direction. Compatible with AA and AAA cells, among others, the 'InstaLoad' technology does not require special electronics or circuitry, the company claims."

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  1. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by twisting_department · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not Prior Art if it uses electronics, diodes etc. This is purely mechanical. I think it's the most brilliant thing Microsoft has ever come up with. Patent worthy? Quite possibly in my mind.

  2. What to work on next. by bob_jordan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats one of lifes great problems solved. Any chance they can work on Windows stability next?

    Bob.

    1. Re:What to work on next. by maxume · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have major trouble on XP, you bought a shit computer. That's hardly something you should blame Microsoft for.

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    2. Re:What to work on next. by Zemplar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats one of lifes great problems solved. Any chance they can work on Windows stability next?

      Bob.

      What, are you kidding? They want a solvable problem to work on!

    3. Re:What to work on next. by hedwards · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are you talking about? I recently put a Win XP disc into a solvent and it did indeed dissolve. Therefore XP must be solvable.

  3. Pretty proud, eh? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Funny

    They even made a logo for it. http://www.windowsfordevices.com/images/stories/microsoft_instaload_logo.jpg

    Neat but not buzzword or logo worthy.

    1. Re:Pretty proud, eh? by ragefan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They even made a logo for it.

      So instead of just paying attention to whether the batteries are in correctly, they'll have to first pay attention to whether the device matters which way that batteries go.

    2. Re:Pretty proud, eh? by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For now, yes. In a decade, when every new device has this setup, it'll be one of those things that we can simply forget about. It will be inconceivable to the next generation that we ever even had to bother paying attention to which end was which. That kind of convenience, where an annoyance can simply disappear, has a certain brilliance to it.

  4. An actual patent by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For once, we're hearing about an authentically clever, afaik new physical design which solves a real problem and is actually sanely applicable to be patented. I wasn't expecting that when I clicked on this story. Gotta hand it to Microsoft for this one.

    1. Re:An actual patent by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but unfortunately Slashdot has still mostly jumped on it as an opportunity to slag off Microsoft.

      Sure this may not be ground breaking, but if Microsoft can take it mainstream then why slag them off for it? as simple as it may be, the fact remains that no one else has bothered to take it mainstream yet.

      It's not just about the ingenuity or difficulty of inventing a device, but in taking it to the greater market, there's no point inventing the most complex amazing thing ever if no one actually ever gets chance to make use of it. So this is where the real test is- whether Microsoft manage to take it mainstream and hence whether we all do get to benefit from it in the long run.

    2. Re:An actual patent by NekSnappa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see this a solving as "real problem" either. But you lost me on that "dumbing down the public" bit.

      I mean really. If you want to go there I'm sure that there are plenty of people competently doing tasks using modern computers that they wouldn't be able to do if all they had was an abacus. So is that dumbing down the public as well?

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    3. Re:An actual patent by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, for the sake of argument:
      The '+' and '-' symbols on batteries makes children ask about what they are. Before that, all they know is that it's something that "makes things go". When they get even the simplest explanation of polarity, they may get curious and want to learn more. Otherwise, batteries are just a black box that contains a mechanism you can't see and may not think to ask about. It encourages asking questions, because the adult will have to at least explain to the child that if it's inserted the wrong way, bad things can happen. Probably the most common question from a child (well, most kids) is in the form of "why is _something_ the way it is?". Just having a bit of additional information on this otherwise tightly-sealed "thing" draws questions. Remove that and the need to ask the question goes away.

      So, technically, this does have the potential of causing some "dumbing down". But then, solving all sorts of problems leads down this path.

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    4. Re:An actual patent by bingoUV · · Score: 3, Funny

      The '+' and '-' symbols on batteries makes children ask about what they are.

      This is where USPTO comes to the defence of civilization. Some electronics manufacturers will not be able to afford a license on this Microsoft Patent. So their battery would need to be placed in the correct orientation. So children would ask - "Why do batteries need to be placed this way in this device but works any which way in the other device?"

      Such a question would not only enable you to teach electrical engineering to the said children, but you could also go on a long and cathartic rant about patents and how the country is going to the dogs.

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  5. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by daid303 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I suggest you learn a bit more about electronics. Diodes have a voltage drop, 0.7V for normal diodes, schottky diodes go as low as 0.2V, but that's still a lot if you get only 1.2V to 1.5V from your battery.

    And the summery clearly states that it is without circuitry. Which is not that hard to imagine if you LATFPITFA.

  6. Re:And in other news... by sammyF70 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did the unthinkable and read TFA. They are not trying to patent the diode, they came up with a completely stupidly simple *mechanical* system which really allows to put the batteries in any direction you want without checking the polarity. it's one of the "so simple anybody could have thought of it" patents, and I must confess that I am actually impressed by its simplicity.

    For once I must say "well done, Microsoft" (sadly I'm not really anticipating repeating that sentence all too often)

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  7. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes the stuff you learn in basic electronics can be really useful. In this case though it just made you look like a dick. RTFA.

  8. Now if only... by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if only someone could invent something that would stop my wife putting non-rechargable batteries in my charger and blowing them up. She said it was an accident... I just think she likes the explosions.

    1. Re:Now if only... by Andrewkov · · Score: 5, Funny

      How is she getting through so many batteries??

  9. Re:Dodge this by Animaether · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is specifically for battery compartments with a physical parallel configuration, rather than a series configuration.
    ( 'physical configuration' as in the batteries laying side-by-side, rather than end-to-end, so the batteries' poles never directly touch eachother; unrelated to the electrical circuitry's configuration )

    I'm trying to recall the last time I've seen a physical series configuration; but I just realized my old-ass flashlight counts as one.
    ( it's been replaced years ago by a proper wind-up for emergency cases and a decent Maglite-like one with a rechargable set for more frequent/high intensity beam use )

  10. This is best invention from Microsoft ever. by twisting_department · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to say it again. This is the most brilliant invention Microsoft has ever come up with. It fixes an every day niggle that every one has just accepted for decades. It's dead obvious but no one thought of it before (I assume so far). Perfect candidate for a patent. And for all those who don't read articles: No it does not uses diodes, it's purely mechanical therefore does not drop any battery voltage or waste power like a bridge would. It's probably as cheap to make as regular battery contacts. Just hope it is as reliable as normal contacts. Brilliant I say. Well done Microsoft. I always thought you had some innovation in you somewhere.

    1. Re:This is best invention from Microsoft ever. by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's probably as cheap to make as regular battery contacts.
      It won't be, it requires more peices of material in the contacts themselves (twice as many contacts plus an extra insulating peice) and more wiring (since you have to take both the positive and negative leads to both ends of each battery slot).

      BTW you can make contacts that protect against damge from backwards insertion far simpler (and i've seen them in equipment) just by shaping the plastic right at the positive end (basically you put the positive contact inside a slot so the flat negative end can't touch it). The only advantage of these new contacts over that style is that they allow things to work both ways round.

      Just hope it is as reliable as normal contacts.
      Indeed I have two main concerns with this

      1: reliability, how long will these fancy contacts last.

      2: failure modes, when normal battery contacts fail they tend to fail by just not making good contact, they can then be cleaned, bent back into shape etc. This thing looks like it could easilly fail in a way that shorts out the battery and looks like it would be difficult to fix poor contacts without ruining the mechanism.

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  11. Trivial by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do not do it serially. Keep in mind that you can design with batteries in parallel fashion, and then connect the batteries serially logically. The funny thing is, that I DID think about this 3 years ago. For the last 3 years, I have been putting loads of batteries in kids toys and some of them just plained sux to put batteries in.

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  12. Re:Dodge this by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say it use 2 batteries and the user place them like this

    [- +}{+ -]

    Well... doesn't look like it's going to work...

    Just when Microsoft thought they'd built the ultimate idiot proof device, nature comes along with a better idiot.

    To be fair though, those sort of devices are less common, and it's easier to spot when you've got it wrong (two batteries nose to nose or tail to tail is more obviously wrong than a single battery in backwards).

  13. Re:And in other news... by Animaether · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's one of the "so simple anybody could have thought of it" patents

    I remember *some* devices that, instead of the cheap flat plate (positive contact) and spring (negative contact) configuration, had the housing built in such a manner that for the negative plate (which was semi-springy) it was full width, while for the positive plate it was shielded by the housing to just slightly over the width of the protruding positive contact of the AA/AAA battery.

    That way, the battery could only be inserted one way. It solves the same big problem of inserting batteries the wrong way around and either the device not working, or worse.

    It doesn't solve the "I wish I could put the battery either which way around so I don't have to use my square-peg-in-round-hole 18-month-old brain" problem, though - and it's still a fairly clever design. Now to see how well it holds up in mass production where tolerances of fitting such things in the housings are often seen as +-2mm and everything moves, twists and turns.

  14. Re:Dodge this by Thrawn7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Heh.. my Microsoft wireless keyboard takes in batteries in physical series.. Guess they'd have to rework that one

  15. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well when reading the news item as in "no electronics needed" how many people on Slashdot came up with the same idea in their head before reading the article? It's rather obvious how it could be done but yeah, many patentable things are. I just think it's sad people can patent such crap/simple stuff. Especially since many others could come up with a very similar product from just wanting to solve the same problem, and the patent would most likely cover that solution to.

    I assume there's a reason it's not used already. Such as: It's not that hard to put the battery in correctly in the first place and maybe the connectors worn out faster / get bent more easily / touches by accident/moist/..

  16. One problem tho.. by The+Creator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Users will be looking at these abiguos contacs and not be able to figure out which way to insert their batteries.

    (No it doesn't help that any way will do if the user doesn't know it.)

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    1. Re:One problem tho.. by SimonInOz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So we have a slightly more expensive, rather fragile-looking, patented way to make it possible for people to put batteries in the wrong way.

      Ok, so this might - possibly - be used in some devices. Probably expensive ones. And they'll have big signs saying "Put the battery in any way" and this will go well until a) the battery gets a bit of corrosion and they try to clean the contacts, at which point they will short things out and the device will melt, or b) they use another device where they put the batteries in the wrong way - and the device won't work.

      So we now have a situation where you have to examine a battery connection in every device even more closely to see which way the battery goes. It might be + or a - or either will do.

      Actually, I don't think this is an improvement.
      It LOOKS like an improvement - but it's not. It add a further level of complexity.

      So Microsoft have taken a standard system that has existed for a very long time, and modified it to make it a) fragile, b) patentable, and c) more expensive (more contacts, more wiring), not to mention d) less reliable (and battery contacts are already unreliable - oh for the days of PP9s - now THOSE were good properly gendered contacts).

      Great.
      I don't want one. I can tell a spring from a contact. It's not too hard even with my eyesight. But a funny hermaphrodite thing as a third option? Now that's confusing. (Anyone remember those weird hermaphrodite connection used by IBM token ring? No? - I thought not).

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    2. Re:One problem tho.. by NewWorldDan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm here to tell you, I think this is a good idea. I like the design. See, my wife is generally quite smart. She's got BAs in chemsitry and biology and a MS in forensic science and she still can't put batteries in the WiiMote correctly. I make electronics, and if there's any way, however improbable, to hook things up wrong, my customers will find that way. If this connection works half as well as advertised, it'll be fantastic. I'm sure MS can dig up statistics about what percentage of their tech support calls are from people who put the batteries in backwards. And I'd bet that that number is high enough that someone sat down and said, "we need to find a better way of dealing with batteries".

  17. Re:Do You Think... by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are stupid one here. Why assume dumbproofness when you can just think of it as the fulfillment of an incomplete design ? I can think of multiple situations where quickly swapping batteries without looking would be awesome.

  18. Battery location for morons by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps Apple should patent their 'batteries not changeable by yourself because you are morons' system too.

  19. Re:Dodge this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but I just realized my old-ass flashlight counts as one.
    ( it's been replaced years ago by a proper wind-up for emergency cases and a decent Maglite-like one with a rechargable set for more frequent/high intensity beam use )

    Thanks a lot

  20. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by k2r · · Score: 4, Funny

    >And Sun Tzu also Said

    It's Oracle Tzu now and it's not a strategic product anymore, you insensitive clod!

  21. Re:Do You Think... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when I'm outside at night I'm stupid because I can't read the polarity "written" by embossing the black plastic my device is made of?

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  22. Re:Did Microsoft REALLY just patent the diode brid by node_chomsky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note: if a question actually has multiple possible answers, it's not rhetorical.

    If a question is meant to illustrate a point or accomplish rhetorical goals, the question is Rhetorical.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

    The number of possible answers to a question has absolutely nothing to do with how rhetorical it is. Rhetorical questions are often asked in a way that doesn't expect an answer, but that quality of a question is distinctive from it rhetorical value.

  23. Re:Do You Think... by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, obviously. A stupid person will try to read the embossed symbols. A smart person remembers which way the empty batteries she just removed were oriented.

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