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Indian Government Threatens RIM, Skype With Ban

gauharjk writes "India's Department of Telecommunications has been asked by the government to serve a notice to Skype and Research In Motion to ensure that their email and other data services comply with formats that can be read by security and intelligence agencies, or face a ban in India if they do not comply within 15 days. A similar notice is also being sent to Google, asking it to provide access to content on Gmail in a readable format."

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  1. This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The terrorists used mobile phones and tools like Google Earth to plan, coordinate and execute the operations, India and Israel have been howling about those tools ever since.

    1. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by kawabago · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bank robbers usually escape in cars so maybe we should ban automobiles to cut down on the number of bank robberies! Its' the same logic.

    2. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by discord5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bank robbers usually escape in cars so maybe we should ban automobiles to cut down on the number of bank robberies! Its' the same logic.

      Why is it always cars for the analogies? Why not ducks? Or oranges?

    3. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why is it always cars for the analogies? Why not ducks? Or oranges?

      It's not easy for a bank robber to escape on a duck.

    4. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by dunng808 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is it always cars for the analogies? Why not ducks? Or oranges?

      Fair enough. How about this:

      Bank robbers usually duck when police shoot at them, so we should kill all ducks and serve Canard a l'Orange in prison.

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    5. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by XSpud · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not easy for a bank robber to escape on a duck.

      Are you sure? AFAIK no bank robber has ever been caught when escaping on a duck.

    6. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by ghee22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bank robbers usually escape in cars so maybe we should ban automobiles to cut down on the number of bank robberies! Its' the same logic.

      To be fair, the automobiles have 15 days to comply with publishing who is in the car and coordinates of all travel.

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    7. Re:This is all from the Mumbai terror attacks by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is it always cars for the analogies?

      It's easy to make a car analogy that sounds right, so you get modded up. Then the guy that actually understands how digital technology works can correct you and then HE gets modded up. If a good metaphor was used, only one guy would get modded up. It's a win-win!

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  2. But if students in India can't access Google, by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

    How will they post their homework problems on comp.lang.c++ for us to solve?

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    1. Re:But if students in India can't access Google, by Revotron · · Score: 4, Funny

      "please for help with homework, i give problems below. for all grade, please showing steps. due tomorrow."

      1) P=NP?

      2) List and explain three one-way functions.

      3) List five rhymes for the word "orange".

    2. Re:But if students in India can't access Google, by Jhon · · Score: 5, Funny

      "1) P=NP?"
      P="BOB"
      NP="BOB"
      if P=NP then write("TRUE!")

      "2) List and explain three one-way functions."
      Birth (just try to go back the other way)
      Sex (Well, this is kind of an while/endwhile or some other type of loop)
      Death (see Birth)

      "3) List five rhymes for the word "orange"."
      Door Hinge
      Beer Binge
      Infringe
      Dope Syringe
      Spine twinge

  3. Hmmm... by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Glad I don't correspond with anyone in India.

  4. Hey, Little Brother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, you're doing it wrong. Just use MITM DNS attacks to use fake SSL certs.

    Love, China.

  5. The problem with that approach by mollog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Bush administration violated a few constitutional laws in its effort to close the barn door after the terrorists had burned the barn down. They wanted to impress upon us how earnestly they believed in thwarting the terrorists, so they decided that we needed to give up our rights so that they could score political points.

    But, as everybody knows, the Bush administration had more than enough information to do the job long before the terrorists ever hit us. What was needed isn't more information, what was needed was better use of the existing information. (Notice that I'm not using the word intelligence. Clearly, Bush needed more intelligence, but that would not be forthcoming.) But we can expect our leaders to make lazy, self-serving choices rather than to take on the hard jobs they seemed to want so badly.

    India is an authoritarian state, perfectly comfortable with internal corruption and cronyism. This choice, to compel telecommunications businesses to open up their data for 'security and intelligence' agencies, will surely be abused for political reasons and its impact on security will be marginal.

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    1. Re:The problem with that approach by mrops · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I for one welcome this for entirely selfish reasons. More barriers the Indian government can put for running a competitive business and outsourcing, the better for us out here in Europe and North America :)

      When Company XYZ looks to outsource, one more check mark on the sheet, Employee can't use BB [X]

      More local jobs, yippee!

  6. Governments are the problem, not the solution by VTEngineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they have no right whatsoever to read email traffic. Terrorists have officially won as government is leveraging attacks to increase their power over all. Wake up people, government is the problem. Terrorists, even when very successful, effect a tiny percentage of a population. Yet, the government grows more powerful over all in order to supposedly protect the population. This is about control, not protection. Such a shame that so may are willing to throw away their rights in the face of terror. The terrorists have won. Now they are fighting over who will control the levers of power. The citizens have already lost all liberty.

  7. I'll be forwarding this to my employer. by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have outsourced some of our repetitive grunt work to a company in India. Once we got the glitches and language barrier out of the way, they have proven they can do the job so long as they are told EXACTLY what to do. Otherwise they will halt the moment they go off-script and not continue until we have made a decision. Sometimes I think they "get confused" just to get a break on some of the shittier work, but there's no way to prove this. It doesn't make them extra money to do this, since they have more than one job in the pipeline at any given time.

    The problem is that we have to use e-mail to communicate with them. It's hosted on our own server, and they use a VPN to access it. Will WE have to comply with these conditions as well? If so, they can kiss the contract goodbye because we are bound by privacy laws to keep this information out of the hands of third parties -- including foreign government agencies.

    For example, one of the things they will do is check to make sure an insurance policy has the same drivers and vehicles on it that we submitted to the carrier. In order to do this, they must cross-reference the driver list containing the name, date of birth, driver license number, and state of residence. The middle two of these four are considered protected information under both state and federal statutes.

    Mal-2

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  8. Re:So what happens if google says ok!? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem is that RIM can't comply - their system is designed so that only the customer has the decryption key. The customer creates the key, not RIM. If India wants the key, they have to sue the customer, not RIM.

  9. Acceptable... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The proper response from Google should be a simple "Your terms are acceptable.". Followed by all IP addresses assigned in India getting only a "403 Forbidden" page when accessing any Google service, and all search results leading to sites located in India or operated by Indian entities being removed from the listings. For extra Bastard points, all e-mail originating from Indian addresses gets rejected and all phone calls from India get a no-service tone.

  10. oh, please can I take that call google? by CFD339 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello? Yes, this is technical support for gmail applications. Am I having talk with government of India?
    Yes. I understand that you are having difficulty with reading emails of your populations.
    Have you been plugging your monitor into the plug on the back of the computer?
    Excellent. I am so very sorry you are still having the problems. We are checking now your network cables......

    Etc....

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  11. It all means nothing by DABANSHEE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As long as as a Web based concern doesn't have a bricks 'n mortar presence in the relevant country/state & does no banking/investment in the relevant country/state, it has nothing to fear from the country's legislature/courts/regulatory regime except a jurisdiction based web-filter, a la China, Iran, Australia, & that's a problem for the relevant country/state's own citizens/residents to deal with or work around.

    Why web based concerns worry about the laws of countries they're not operating from is beyond me..

    1. Re:It all means nothing by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oblig: Australia does not have a web filter.

      It only had an (unpopular) proposal to do so courtesy of a couple of retarded senators. Which has now basically been scrapped. The legislation never even made it to being drafted, let alone introduced into Parliament and debated.

      Problem with Slashdot is that people read a few hyped up, overly dramatic headlines and think they know what's going on ;)

  12. You're wrong by CountBrass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What keeps countries like India poor is the corrupt politicians. India can afford to build a nuclear arsenal but they can't manage to provide clean water to all of their people? That's India's fault and no-one elses'.

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