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Diaspora On Schedule, One Month In

schlick writes with word that the Diaspora project (last mentioned here several weeks back) has an update with a demo and some screen shots. Diaspora's goal: to provide social networking without the privacy invasion possibilities inherent in sites like Facebook.

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  1. I don't understand by deathtopaulw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can you have a website where you broadcast your most intimate thoughts and personality traits to hundreds of people willingly at the same time and still retain privacy? Or are they just vowing to not sell our info to advertisers? This would be stupid if they wanted the website to last more than a few seconds without a subscription service.

    1. Re:I don't understand by alangerow · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because the system will be decentralized. You can control your own seed, meaning your own data, and who it gets shared with. They aren't making a Facebook clone. Actually, there will be Facebook interaction, so you can host your own profile and connect with Facebook users ... it's listed in their timeline if you actually read their update.

    2. Re:I don't understand by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's GPG encrypted, for one thing. Also, the info-sharing settings actually work, and don't get changed by default every couple months. As far as funding goes, so far the plan is to offer a paid hosting service, or let you run your own server.

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    3. Re:I don't understand by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The same way you control what people do with data you put anywhere else on the internet: you don't. The point is you get to pick who does get to see your data, unlike on Facebook where you unwittingly share all your data whenever you play a game, or visit a partner website, or they change their policies and make previously private data public. If you could have 100% complete control it would be called anti-social networking, I suppose.

      The big deal isn't that your data is magically safe, but that all sharing of that data is entirely on your terms.

    4. Re:I don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And if you have the kinda of 'friends' that you can't trust to not re-share your data, then don't share with them in the first place.

      Personally, I'll be implementing a 3 strikes policy - if a friend re-shares any of my personal data (not general public webstuff) 3 times, they will be blocked.

    5. Re:I don't understand by LaRainette · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea is to broadcast the part of your life you agree to, and not the rest.

  2. What about elgg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It has been around for a while.
    http://elgg.org/

  3. Meanwhile... by dominion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Work on Appleseed has also been progressing rapidly. In the past month, we've added internationalization, theming, and an MVC+plugin framework. You can see our revised roadmap in the svn:

    http://svn.appleseedproject.org/trunk/_documentation/ROADMAP.TXT

    Here's my public Appleseed profile using an early version of the new theme:

    http://developer.appleseedproject.org/profile/michael.chisari

    Remote logins, remote friends connections, remote messaging, journals, photos, discussion groups, sophisticated node control, ACL and privacy controls and more are all working, and will be refined in the coming releases, along with all new features like one-click server upgrades, search, micro-blogging, and more.

    Michael Chisari
    Appleseed - http://opensource.appleseedproject.org/

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a shame your project doesn't get more attention.

      The Diaspora guys' only real talent seems to be marketing that allowed them to raise a boatload of cash on vaporware hype and a catchy name.

      p.s. I hope you change the name. Diaspora is a LOT cooler name than Appleseed, so they don't have to be better to get your marketshare.

    2. Re:Meanwhile... by dominion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How fast are you expecting this to be developed?

      My expectation, have been there and back again, is around 12 months of full time work for four people. This is until something is stable and usable, not what can be considered a "Facebook Killer". To be feature complete with where Facebook is *right now* will take much longer. This is, of course, assuming that their project has a solid blueprint and plan, which won't require any major rewrites or result in any major fundamental design flaws (like being spammer friendly, for instance).

      Appleseed is looking at around 9 months to a year to be (basically) feature complete with Facebook, but we have the advantage of a six year head start on Diaspora. A project like this is a massive undertaking, anyone who's released code can tell you that. It's unfortunate that supporters have gotten the idea that the product that will be out in September will be anything but Alpha quality. The interesting thing is to see how Diaspora deals with it's prospective users getting antsy.

      Both names don't make a lot of sense to me.

      The names of the project don't have to make sense to anyone except for people running servers, really. Can you tell me, off hand, what a Joomla or a Drupal is? Users of distributed social networking hubs only have to know that lolcatfans.tk and havardalumni.edu are compatible with the broader open social network.

      Michael Chisari
      The Appleseed Project - http://opensource.appleseedproject.org/

    3. Re:Meanwhile... by priegog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From what I gather from the Appleseed site, they are different things (with some overlap), so I don't know why they'd need to "compete" with eachother.
      In an ideal world, social networking would be what the diaspora guys are trying to do. In the real world (where not everyones cares or even wants to care about running some piece of software), I think Appleseed has a concept that would be much easier to take over facebook et-al.
      They're both great concepts, and in the end I believe there's a place for both. Specially if diaspora is planning on making it "interoperable" (whatever that means, but I take it to mean to act as a client for other sites), maybe the utopic social networking scene will end up being some sort of combination of the 2 (like, people who are more tinfoil-hatty will run their own (diaspora) seed, and the rest who just don't give a $%% will create an account in their "local" (city, school, geeky friend's) server (running Appleseed), and everything will Just Work

      Michael, maybe you could try and get in contact with the diaspora guys (since they're just starting to code and all) so that you can make sure this future is possible (making much more likely for this idea of "open social network" to happen), instead of what happens to most FOSS projects that try to do similar things (fragment the market and make all of them unpopular as a result)?

    4. Re:Meanwhile... by dominion · · Score: 3, Informative

      Michael, maybe you could try and get in contact with the diaspora guys (since they're just starting to code and all) so that you can make sure this future is possible (making much more likely for this idea of "open social network" to happen)

      There's a summit coming up where all the open source projects focusing on distributed social networking will be getting together to discuss that. Appleseed and Diaspora will be there (along with a bunch more). Should be very interesting!

      Michael Chisari
      The Appleseed Project - http://opensource.appleseedproject.org/

  4. Personal web server? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The wiki article describes Diaspora as an open source personal web server, but for a lot of people their home machine, if they have one, is about the most insecure place to put things. For a lot of other people they have a work machine they never install stuff on, and an iphone, on which the userland belongs to Steve Jobs.

    I have a personal web server. It serves http and rss. But I am not normal and I can't see myself installing this thing.

    1. Re:Personal web server? by Rotworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've always imagined it would roll out in a manner similar to Wordpress. You can host your own by installing from either source or package (if offered by your distribution). Or you can sign-up for an account at their hosted service. IANAC (I am not a cryptographer) but I guess the hosted service is still secure due to the GPG implementation.

    2. Re:Personal web server? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've spoken to the devs, there will be hubs. Think wordpress.com vs wordpress. You can host it yourself, or at one of many locations. So they cater to both audiences, and you can always move your stuff off the hub onto your own box, or a server you have, whenever. Contrast with Facebook :)

    3. Re:Personal web server? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Contrast with Facebook :)

      Sure.

      1) Can I farm till 3am?
      2) What about all them chickens that need feeding?
      3) Treasure on Treasure Island does NOT find itself
      4) Will I be able to fight and rob other people into submission while building a mafia empire?
      5) Can I farm till 3am?

    4. Re:Personal web server? by darrylo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Contrast with Facebook :)

      Sure.

      1) Can I farm till 3am?

      People may think this is funny, but there's a metric *ssload of truth there.

      While Diaspora may still be successful, Diaspora and all of the other social networking wannabe's will never, ever, be as successful as facebook if they don't have the equivalent mindcrack. IMO, a huge part of fb's success is not due to plain "social networking", but to the totally inane mindcrack games that sucks on peoples' souls: like farmville, castle age, mafia wars, etc., etc..

      Note to Diaspora, Google Me, and all other social networking wannabe's: if you want to achieve facebook-level success, you need to have soul-sucking mindcrack games.

    5. Re:Personal web server? by ardle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...or a plugin for same....

  5. good luck by pat+sajak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i wish them the best (and will sign up when i can) but i can't help but think this will fail hard. the vast majority of facebook users are not concerned with privacy, rather they actively seek to do away with it. they want to make sure each of their 700 friends knows every inconsequential detail of their daily lives; facebook provides them with the platform to do this, diaspora likely will not. diaspora may find a niche but i can't see it taking a significant dent out of facebook's market share.

    1. Re:good luck by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the vast majority of facebook users are not concerned with privacy

      This is a point that seems lost on most Slashdotters: Most of the people that use Facebook are quite happy with its "privacy" rules. They willingly supply personal information, and have the expectation that it will be spread about. Thus, Facebook is mostly a problem for those that don't use it.

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      "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
    2. Re:good luck by mdmkolbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Facebook is mostly a problem for those that don't use it.

      Which is fine until clubs and organizations decide to organize via Facebook. Then you have to join if you want to stay involved. This is a trend that I've already started to notice.

  6. This is the future. by reiisi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The house phone will become a server, it will run asterisk, and it will host the family/indvidual website and bulletin board.

    Diaspora appears to be the bulletin board part.

    Phone companies really don't get it. What they should be developing is a backup system for individual servers, and default configurations for customers who prefer trusting the phone companies over trusting themselves.

    The servers should be left to the community to develop, since the phone companies simly can't understand this kind of decentralization.

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    Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
    1. Re:This is the future. by fat_mike · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Your signature alone tells me about your grasp of things that the majority of people don't care about.

      Asterisk is a joke in the home. The last time I checked I could get phone service for $9.95 a month and buy a cheap analog phone for $15.00. Do you really expect people to pay $830 for a 24 station analog card along with the computer and other crap they'll need to run Asterisk?

      This Diaspora is nothing more than playing catch-up. Remember when you HAD to be on AOL then Craigslists was the poop, then MySpace, then Facebook and now Twitter? Its the idea and correct implementation and marketing that made those successful for the given period of time they were.

      This is another project trying to collect the scraps from the tables of the big boys that will eventually be noted as, "Whatever happened to Diaspora? They haven't updated their logo contest in eight months!"

  7. Re:It looks good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Re: "practical enough that people would actually use it" -- define "people". The fact that you compared Diaspora to Freenet almost says enough about which people will go to the trouble of using it. For better or worse, most people do not care enough about privacy to use Freenet or Diaspora. Folks are pissed off at Facebook, yes, but not because Facebook is overly centralized, rather because Facebook has made dumb decisions re: what to do with all that centralized data. Theoretically, something like Diaspora can solve these problems by decentralizing, but is there the remotest possibility that the majority of Facebook users would move over to it for that theoretical reason? No, not at all. If any significant number of people leave Facebook, it will be for another centralized and easy-to-use service, just one with a slightly stronger-seeming commitment to privacy.

  8. Re:Privacy is dead. by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's 547-55-5462.

    --
    When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
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  12. Re:lucybecker by selven · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a spammer running a script. The sentence in the comment has been posted already in the discussion, and it just reposted it to look more like a legitimate comment, to encourage people to click the link.

  13. Re:Privacy is dead. by LaRainette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You fail to understand what free means.
    Free =/= In the hands of a few very powerful corporation who will hide it (since it represents a capital competitive advantage over the smaller, less connected companies)
    That would actually be the opposite of free.

    Secondly Free doesn't really Apply on data, it applies on people. For the same reason what you call information cannot WANT to be "free". People want to access information, that's very different.

    Now if you think on a systemic scale : two very strong forces oppose those who want to share the information, which mean to share the power we have on information (i.e. everybody controls its own and shares the amount he wants) and those who want to OWN the information (meaning not free anymore) in order then to monetize it and sell it to those who will pay the most (BigCo) and that would be Facebook and the likes.

    Finally I just wanted to underline that you, probably on purpose, mistake information and personal information.
    As Tim Berners Lee and others have been advocating for quite a long time, it is critical that we share more DATA, make it more accessible to everyone. That data he was talking about is not personal data, it is anonymous statistical data that should be available to anyone who wants to study it and make something out of it.
    Our governments for instance sit on piles of data that they are incapable of analysing because they don't have the time or money to do it, but they wont share it for stupid reasons.

  14. It Won't Work... by greenlead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because it will never reach the critical mass necessary to unseat Facebook.

    This will never catch on unless there are sites similar to Facebook (hubs) where less-knowledgeable users can sign up. The Facebook population (in my circle, at least) is getting older and many of them tend to learn as little as possible. Advising them to set up a personal web site -- or worse, a server -- especially with security concerns considered, would be a very bad idea.

    A better idea would be standardization of social networking protocols, similar to email. This standardization, where users of any social networking service can interact with users on other services, though perhaps with a different user interface, is the answer to solving this problem, rather than a particular software package.

  15. Re:Privacy is dead. by ivucica · · Score: 2, Funny

    =/=

    Oh, you mean !=? Nice.