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California To Drop State Rock Over Asbestos Concerns

Diamonddavej writes "The LA Times reports that Californian legislators are close to dropping the translucent green rock Serpentine as the state rock of California because of its tenuous association with chrysotile asbestos. Sen. Gloria Romero declares in her bill (SB 624) that Serpentine should be dropped as California's state rock because it 'contains the deadly mineral chrysotile asbestos, a known carcinogen, exposure to which increases the risk of the cancer mesothelioma.' The bill has backing from mesothelioma support groups. Critics point out that Serpentine is a group of 20 different minerals, and Californian Serpentine rarely contains much chrysotile, never mind its dangerous fibrous asbestos form. Its is suspected that lawyers involved in asbestos compensation claims and cleanup companies will profit from the bill. Vast tracts of California where bedrock is made of Serpentine could be declared hazardous to health... even if it contains no crysotile at all! It looks like SB 624 will be passed; it won unanimous bi-partisan support from an Assembly committee last week."

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  1. Well then... by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rock on.

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  2. Re:fp by DWMorse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Beaten by my iPhone 3G. Can you feel the burn? Oh yes.

    And I even snuck in a PUN! FP with humor!

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  3. The new state rock - crack. by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... like the new state plant - hemp. They can TAX IT to fix their budget crisis (or at least people won't give a %^!@* any more).

  4. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    California has a State rock.

    1. Re:In other news... by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 3, Informative

      In other news, goofy Californians fiddle with state rocks while their budget burns, note water still wet film at 11.

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    2. Re:In other news... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is precisely the sort of thing that politicians do when the economic and financial situation pretty much destroys any capacity at meaningful change. It's a classic stunt, where they ban things or make pointless proclamations, because these sort of actions are cheap, allow them to look populist and all governmental, even as, as you point out, Rome burns around them.

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    3. Re:In other news... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also coming up: White Star Line deckchair arrangements may have been less than optimal, claims report.

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    4. Re:In other news... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In other news, goofy Californians fiddle with state rocks while their budget burns, note water still wet film at 11.

      Of course, you cannot use that water to put out the fire because it might threaten another species of smelt or a snail somewhere...

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  5. That's California for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even their state rock is known by the state of California to cause cancer.

    1. Re:That's California for you. by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fits right in with the air, at least.

  6. Funny thing is this is the non-cancerious asbestos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If California ever decided to do some research like the New England Journal of Medicine they would find articles all the back to the late 1980's showing that this type of asbestos is not cancerious. The other funny thing is the "doctor" in the 1960's who said that cancer was bad wasn't even a doctor but researching someone's background is a lot harder than just gining into some idiot. If they are banning this rock maybe we should ban dihydrogen monoxide I hear that kills thousnads of people every year.

  7. Pet rock by nOw2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had a pet rock. It wasn't as maintenance-free as you'd expect.

    Also, is this part of the Daily Mail's efforts to categorise all known substances/things/ideas into those that cause and those that cure cancer?

    1. Re:Pet rock by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Funny

      is this part of the Daily Mail's efforts to categorise all known substances/things/ideas into those that cause and those that cure cancer?

      How would they categorize radiation! The opposite of a shovel... is a shovel!

      All joking aside the California state rock should be foam spray painted to look like rock until it bounces off of Captain Kirk's head. MOVIE MAGIC!

      Either that or whatever rock is most commonly found in Bronson Canyon.

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    2. Re:Pet rock by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For those who are unfamiliar with the style of California, ever since proposition 65, signs have been popping up everywhere warning about cancer (as this entity so eloquently points out). I'm not sure if the warning labels have achieved anything, but there have been allegations of abuse.

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    3. Re:Pet rock by IICV · · Score: 2

      Indeed! The parking structure where I work has Prop 65 signs everywhere. This made no sense to me at first - it's just a giant pile of concrete, rebar, fluorescent lights and asphalt, surely none of that causes cancer right? Then I realized what's likely to be the case: people put cars in parking structures, and car exhaust is known by the state of California to cause cancer. And there's no way around that unless you're willing to not park cars in a parking structure.

  8. Seriously by Becausegodhasmademe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it amusing that a state rock even exists, let alone the fact that it's causing such a ruckus! You Americans!
    *ruffles hair*

    1. Re:Seriously by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most of the US states have a state rock, a state flower, a state bird, a state tree, etc. Oregon even has a state fungus. I never really thought it was weird, just an expression of pride for the place you live in. California certainly isn't alone in this.

  9. Unanimous bi-partisan support... by DarrenBaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is it that every time I read the words "Unanimous bi-partisan support", the result is always and without exception... Trouble?

    1. Re:Unanimous bi-partisan support... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It means that no one voting understands the issue, and they all think that voting against it will look bad when revealed to the voters (who also don't understand the issue).

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    2. Re:Unanimous bi-partisan support... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is akin to the "all puppies are lovely act" - anyone who doesn't vote yes on it is a communist.

      Seriously - doesn't California have bigger problems to tackle? It really is a testament to how broken government is when the only thing they can pass is a change to the state rock.

    3. Re:Unanimous bi-partisan support... by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is akin to the "all puppies are lovely act" - anyone who doesn't vote yes on it is a communist.

      Seriously - doesn't California have bigger problems to tackle? It really is a testament to how broken government is when the only thing they can pass is a change to the state rock.

      More than a testament to broken government, it's a reflection of the state and its people too. This is yet another sign of how California, once the greatest most glamorous state in the union, has become the nation's laughingstock. California looks more and more like Rome at the end of its life. Unfortunately, what happens to California is often a precursor of where the rest of the country is going.

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    4. Re:Unanimous bi-partisan support... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      California also rank the the highest GDP (13% or 1.8 Trillion) of the US. Texas ranks #2 with 1.2 Trillion. New York ranks #3.

      If California falls, the entire US will take a major hit. At least business in silicon valley are starting to move to Austin, TX. They see the hand writing on the wall. That, and UT is full of talented minds to feed the industry.

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  10. Hmmm... by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't ALL rock hazardous to your health if you breathe it?

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's been modded funny, but it's correct. The most common mineral on the land surface is quartz -- the crystalline form of SiO2. Powder it, breath it in, and eventually you get silicosis. So, obviously we must ban rocks.

      In reality, rock *dust* is harmful, but that should be fricking obvious. Take the risk seriously and wear breathing protection, and avoid powdering rocks and breathing it in if you can.

      The only rock dust that might not be particularly harmful if inhaled in small quantities could be from minerals that are reactive enough to be completely dissolved in the body. Silica and asbestos are such a problem precisely because they are silicate minerals that *aren't* easily broken down chemically, so the microscopic but sharp grains mechanically damage cells over and over again -- it's like the microscopic equivalent of crushed glass shards. Among the common rocks, limestone (CaCO3) and gypsum (CaSO4) are the only ones I can think of that are easily metabolized. We often eat these ones as food additives. Calcium supplements are often limestone. But too much of that is probably also harmful if breathed in (the lungs have a limited capacity to remove particles), and most natural limestones are not pure CaCO3 (there would be an insoluble residue left over, and that could build up).

      I can't believe they're wasting time on this. As the article mentions, much serpentine doesn't even have asbestos.

  11. Known to the state of California... by siwelwerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe they should just put warning labels on all the rocks. "Serpentine, the state rock of California, contains substances known to the state of California to cause cancer".

    1. Re:Known to the state of California... by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they should just put warning labels on all the rocks. "Serpentine, the state rock of California, contains substances known to the state of California to cause cancer".

      "Serpentine, the state rock of California, may contain substances known to the state of California to cause cancer".

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  12. It's strange by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought California was bankrupt or something. But I guess this is the biggest problem.

  13. Re:Should be banned from even being considered by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that the voters tend to reward such stupid things. Sort of like in 2006, when the Feds were debating same sex marriage and abortion rather than the federal budget and the ongoing wars.

  14. State rock assignments are dangerous! by cvtan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but how does designating something as the state rock cause it to give people cancer? PS: The state rock of Utah is coal which has led to more than 100000 deaths and injuries due to mining (never mind the air pollution issue...).

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  15. lots of fraud around asbestos by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's been a lot of fraud around asbestos. Recently it's also transferred to silica dust somewhat. It is based in truth, because asbestosis and silicosis are real dangers, but lawyers have committed real fraud with it. In some lawsuits, the same people who were made sick and diagnosed with asbestosis were later diagnosed by the same doctors with silicosis for a different lawsuit. Here is that story. Here are some other lawyers who were recently convicted for fraud with asbestos cases.

    Lawyers are one of the biggest areas of fraud and corruption the US right now. In a lot of states, the attorney general sets up a pay-to-play system where they get kickbacks to let certain law firms handle certain legal issues (or even pursue cases that normally would be ignored). In other cases, lawyer lobby organizations try to get laws written in vague ways that will require extra legal work, or as in this case, create potential lawsuits where there doesn't seem to even be danger.

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    1. Re:lots of fraud around asbestos by gotem · · Score: 2

      Why dont they just stone all the lawyers with Serpentine

    2. Re:lots of fraud around asbestos by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah but as costly as lawyers are, they are still only 1/100th as costly as the US Congress or State Legislators that are writing the laws. It's the reason why Thomas Jefferson quit his law career and moved into politics - he realized real change can only come from the top, by writing the laws himself, and ignoring those who would try to corrupt the system

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  16. Distraction by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I guess the CA legislature needs some distraction from their complete and utter incompetence and stupidity with regards to the budget, spending, and tax revenue for their state.

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  17. Wait... by shakezula · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is this really a matter of pressing urgency in California? Wouldn't working towards plugging the state budget gap be a better use of the CA Legislation's time?

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  18. How about Pyrite... by willwinter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fools Gold seems appropriate for California these days.

  19. I lived in California for 25 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To anyone wondering why the state is in so much financial trouble perhaps this story will explain why. Most state legislatures have their heads up their own asses. In California they can see daylight and teeth.

  20. Which leaves one question: by lennier1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who exactly was drunk enough to come up with the idea of a state rock in the first place?

  21. Re:this is why we need a part time legislature by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The people who run California are doing a terrible job."

    The public of California are doing a terrible job. The price of freedom is vigilance.

    Inaction is consent to incompetence, tyranny, and incompetent tyranny.

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  22. Re:Next up on the PC list of banned items .. by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, I left after moving there as a kid and living there for over 20 years. California is a beautiful place for the most part but the government really sucks. So I'll make you a deal. We'll all leave, but when you state goes bankrupt and cannot pay it's bills, don't ask us for any money - suck it up and fix your own problems. Deal?

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  23. Re:In case there was any doubt by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...at least they don't spend their time passing stupid crap like this into law.

    Oh yeah?

    Highlights:
    Bear wrestling matches are prohibited.
    Incestuous marriages are legal.
    Boogers may not be flicked into the wind.

    Well, OK, I sort of agree with that last one.

  24. Now wait a minute by ubungy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought everything caused cancer in California.

  25. Suggestion for an Alternative by CrazyDuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a suggestion for an alternative all natural, eco-friendly solution: Coprolite

    It even fits well given the politics of California.

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  26. Re:MOD PARENT UP by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wikipedia forgot 'question.'

    Yes, New Mexico has a State question.

  27. Referendums by nten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems like a large part of the problem has been the prevalence of referendums, rather than laws passed by the legislature. No one votes to raise taxes and everyone votes to create a new program to save the rattlesnakes or whatever. There is a reason we have a representative democracy, we can't all be expected to be informed on every issue or bill. We aren't even supposed to worry so much about whether we agree with the positions a politician takes, but rather whether we think they are keeping themselves informed and are honest and difficult to corrupt. If we all voted for honest and intelligent people that have the talent of spotting when they are being BSed, then we would see change. Instead we let ourselves be manipulated by dishonest and intelligent people, who use issues we don't fully understand to convince us to vote for them or their bill that reaches into our pockets. The problem is scale. How can you tell if that guy on TV is honest using sound bytes? The only solution I can think of is a hierarchical vote sort of like super voters at party conventions, but that still isn't a very good one.

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  28. Re:Funny thing is this is the non-cancerious asbes by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2, Funny

    why so cancerious..?

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