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AU Band Men At Work Owes Royalties On 'Kookaburra'

neonsignal writes "Iconic Australian band Men at Work have been ordered to pay royalties for an instrumental riff in their song 'Down Under.' The notes were sampled from a well-known children's song 'Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree,' written in 1934 for a Girl Guide's Jamboree. The Justice found the claims of the copyright owner Larrikin to be excessive, but ordered the payment of royalties and a percentage of future profits. Let's hope the primary schools are up to date with their ARIA license fees!"

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  1. 1934 by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck, is the guy who wrote this even still alive?

    Oh right, copyright law is written for zombies.

    1. Re:1934 by JustinRLynn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Residuuuuuuaaaaaaaaalllllllllllzzzzzzz!

    2. Re:1934 by norpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The person who wrote it wrote it as part of a competition for the girl scouts. She is long dead and the scouts sold the rights long ago.

    3. Re:1934 by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone made a point that I think made sense......if we're going to have copyright, we ought to not make it based on the life of the creator.....otherwise it will be motivation to kill artists. Make it 15 years from the time it was created or something.

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    4. Re:1934 by demonrob · · Score: 5, Informative

      wrong band. Peter Garrett was Midnight Oil.

    5. Re:1934 by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately "artists" provide their own reasons for us to want them dead.. often: nagging about copyright.

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    6. Re:1934 by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone made a point that I think made sense......if we're going to have copyright, we ought to not make it based on the life of the creator.....otherwise it will be motivation to kill artists. Make it 15 years from the time it was created or something.

      I know this is modded funny, but seriously say you are write a song that sounds like something else and the judge rules that you might have subconsciously copied it. You have a potential bill for millions that will go away if this artist dies....

    7. Re:1934 by delinear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The artist in this case is already dead. The rights to the song were sold after her death, and the song that's claimed to be infringing was released before the rights were sold (i.e. the current rights holder bought the song at a point when they had every reason to know of the allegedely infringing song), that still wasn't enough to prevent them having to pay up. This is the kind of crap people are referring to when they say ridiculously long copyright stifles creativity rather than promoting it - seriously, it's one bit of one song that sounds kind of like a tune someone wrote half a decade earlier.

  2. link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Reminds me of... by Retron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reminds me a bit of Bittersweet Symbphony, the Verve song that was deemed to have ripped off an obscure version of The Last Time by the Stones.
    I guess a lot of that goes on, whether intentional or not.

  4. The Lyrics by Anthony · · Score: 5, Informative
    Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
    Merry merry king of the bush is he
    Laugh kookaburra laugh kookaburra
    Gay you life must be.

    Sung to the flute riff on "Land Down Under"

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  5. Well, in truth..... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....Men at Work do come from a land down under, where women glow and lawyers plunder.

    1. Re:Well, in truth..... by lollacopter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      travelling in my tricked out combie
      on a, bullshit trial, bird in a gum tree,
      i met a strange lawyer, he made me nervous
        he took my songs and stole my breakfast

                      and i said oh! you come from a land down under?
                      where you write a song and a man can plunder
                      when you hear does it make you wonder?
                      you mustn't hum, you mustn't play covers

      got sued by a man down under
      (he had), some copyrights and my song he plundered
      i said do you speak(a) my language?
      he just smiled and gave me a legalese sandwich,

                      and i said oh! you come from a land down under?
                      where you write a song and a man can plunder
                      when you hear does it make you wonder?
                      you mustn't hum, you mustn't play covers

      Dying in a den in Bombay
      (with a) slack jaw, and not much to say
      i said to the man "are you trying to exempt me
      from playing my tune in a land of plenty ? "

                      and he said NO! you stole that riff down under
                      the flute solo it makes me wonder
                      these rights we bought to plunder
                      the tunes you make in a land down under

  6. Even If They Lose the Appeal... by akahige · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...This has got to be seen as a win for the band. They have to pay royalties back to 2002... which is >20 years since the song was released and became a monster hit. Surely its earnings potential has slacked off some since then. Imagine how bad it would be if they had to come up with royalties back to its heyday...

  7. Precedent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They wrote the song in 1981, and reissued it in 1982, well before the creator's death and subsquent sale of the song to Larrikin. This may set a very bad precedent, since new owners won't always honour agreements predating their ownership.

  8. Nine billion names of God by Yergle143 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't all you "Pirates" come together and write a computer program to generate all possible melodies for the 32 bar AABA, form. Then publish the whole lot under the creative commons license or whatever, call western music complete, and then download in peace.

    Also these lawsuits are always bunk. Noone ever sues over the harmony do they?

    1. Re:Nine billion names of God by madpansy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice try RIAA. You're telling gullible nerds to generate all possible melodies and publish them, only to come in and sue them for the melodies which are already copyrighted.

  9. Perversion of the law's intent by bteed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright law was originally intended to contribute to the arts by incentivizing creation with a temporary monopoly for the creator. Hands up whoever thinks Ms Sinclair wouldn't have written this song if she knew some company 75 years later weren't able to get a cut of something they had absolutely no part in creating.

    1. Re:Perversion of the law's intent by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It gets worse. She donated her rights to the song to the Libraries Board of South Australia a year before she died. They then sold the rights to a corporation, which is now suing Men at Work.

      So she even tried to donate it to the public good, and its still being used to score free money for people not involved in its creation.

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  10. Somewhat bizarrely... by williamhb · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... the whole court case only happened as a result of a TV panel game, Spicks and Specks (Australian version of Never Mind The Buzzcocks). In how many years of every employee of that Australian music company presumably hearing Down Under played how many hundreds of times, nobody noticed until it came up as a curious fact on the telly...

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/quiz-show-sparks-aussie-anthems-battle/story-e6frfn09-1111117725552

    1. Re:Somewhat bizarrely... by catmistake · · Score: 5, Funny

      "It really saddens me to think that, in the last years of her life, while Down Under was having huge commercial success, she was in a nursing home, not earning any money from it, and was probably entitled to."

      Quoted above, Larrikin Music Publishing managing director Norm Lurie drags through his day, having not been able to help the author, he's had to settle for taking the money for himself, wiping his tears away with her royalties. It's so touching when a music executive is... sad.

  11. Who can it be now? by deniable · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nobody expects the Copyright Inquisition.

  12. Owned by Warner Music Group now though by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Strange the Larrikin Wikimedia page does not mention it, but it is now a Warner Music Group holding (bought by Festival Records, swallowed by Warner Music Australasia).

    The *IAA's successfully bought off the Aussie politicians in full public view, it is only natural that they get to recuperate that "investment" in Aussie law changes. Bad thing for Australia is: The carrot they offered in return has turned out to be a dud - those silly Aussie politicians sold out for little more than shiny trinkets of no value.

  13. Re:Copyright For Life Of The Creator Only? by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not saying the system is perfect, but just because a piece of property was created in someone's mind doesn't have to mean that the property suddenly belongs to the planet after an arbitrary time period.

    If I owned the copyright to Homer, the Greek, Roman, and Norse tales, and Shakespeare, then I could prevent any new work of narrative from ever being created and sold.

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  14. Re:The song by Vintermann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never knew that such a surreal song had such a literal music video. Oh, well.

    They're referencing Kookaburra all right (the flautist actually sits in an old gum tree), but they are not "sampling" it as half the notices about this says. They are also playing it in a minor key, while it's in a major key in the original.

    It's also an 80 years old children's song. With four tones, eleven notes in the disputed part. The world is mad.

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  15. Re:Disney's Kill Bill by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you seriously suggesting that Pixar and Tarantino TOGETHER have made them as much money as Snow White alone ? Not to mention Rapunzel, The hunchback of Notre Dame, Alladin, Tarzan (again - came out within a year after Buroughs original copyright expired).

    They have a roughly 80 year history of films made from stories that were in the public domain, not to mention the additional income from toys and other branding. The pixar and Tarantino branches are both only in the last 20 years or so of that period.
    Disney has a history of taking works from the public domain and creating profitable works from them - and then claiming copyright on said derivations. I have my doubts about the morality of this but it's certainly legal. The point is though - Disney is so intent on keeping their one truly original creation (Mickey Mouse) under copyright and NOT contributing it to the world as the people they took from did that they have ensured the extension of copyright TWICE to make it happen.
    That's not even considering that where it suited them - they have on occasion actually outright stolen stories that were copyrighted creating highly profitable works - simply because the small companies they were stealing from simply could not afford to try and sue them. The lion king is perhaps the worst example of that.

    Tit for tat goes the saying. We set up copyright in the way it is so THAT companies like Disney could take it's stories and make movies people love - that's fine. It's NOT fine to refuse to play ball and give you own works BACK to that pool when the time comes so that OTHER companies and people can do the same.

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