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AI Predicts Manhole Explosions In New York City

reillymj writes "Every so often, a 300-pound manhole cover blows sky high in Gotham, followed sometimes by a column of flame and smoke. (There are a few hundred 'manhole incidents' per year in the city, not all of them this dramatic.) Researchers from Columbia University applied machine learning algorithms to Con Edison's warren of aging electrical wires and sewage access points around Manhattan. As the system learns where dangerous mixtures of sewer gas and decrepit wiring are likely to come in contact, it makes forecasts about trouble spots, including where the next explosion may occur. The team has just completed rankings for manholes in Brooklyn and the Bronx, and plans to return to Manhattan's grid, armed with the most recent inspection and repair data." The research was published in the July issue of Machine Learning.

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  1. I saw Batman, I remember this by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought those manhole popping incidents were due to the heavy microwave emitter vaporizing the water?

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    1. Re:I saw Batman, I remember this by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did anyone else read this and immediately just start giggling? In my defense, it IS Friday...

      AI Predicts Manhole Explosions In New York City

    2. Re:I saw Batman, I remember this by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Funny


      I read it and thought: 'who is Al?'
      They need a better font.

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    3. Re:I saw Batman, I remember this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You might not be a physicist, but you'd still suck to go to the movies with.

  2. death by manhole cover? by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if anybody has ever died from being hit on the head with one of these, seems it is likely. Shouldn't there be a way to secure the covers to the ground with a bolt that would at least cause the cover to not fly up but just turn over in case of an explosion?

    1. Re:death by manhole cover? by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should just put them on bungee cords so they shoot into the air and then slam back down in place.

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    2. Re:death by manhole cover? by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Informative

      the problem is that just about any bolting scheme will fail due to the bolting frame getting ripped out of the street if something big enough goes BOOM.

      oh btw i think most manhole covers in major cities are bolted down for security reasons

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    3. Re:death by manhole cover? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      oh btw i think most manhole covers in major cities are bolted down for security reasons

      sure, they're bolted, but it's usually just a pentagonal head that's not particularly difficult to come up with. further, if you really want in, you can use a vehicle-mounted welder to weld a rebar handle onto the bolt so you can turn it with a cheater bar, or a vehicle-mounted plasma cutter to cut it out. This can be done in a surprisingly short period of time and there is ample opportunity around 3am in most cases.

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    4. Re:death by manhole cover? by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah, Coyote ACME style, the only problem is calculating the event at the precise moment when the roadrunner is right above the manhole cover, or so that it gets right underneath it, I still think it is the Coyote who'll get hurt.

    5. Re:death by manhole cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      you spend an oddly large amount of time planning to break into sewers. Personally I put most of my effort into avoiding rivers of shit.

    6. Re:death by manhole cover? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      you spend an oddly large amount of time planning to break into sewers. Personally I put most of my effort into avoiding rivers of shit.

      There's a lot below manhole covers besides shit.

      This took zero time planning; I have simply welded a bolt to the head of another bolt to get it out before. It's not rocket science. Hell, all you need is a couple of car batteries, some jumper cables, and some welding rod to do this, although you will want some way to clean the top of the bolt first.

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    7. Re:death by manhole cover? by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There may be some merit in a hinge, as suggested a bit further down, but how's about also incorporating a large-scale version of the party blower that uncurls with a whistling noise - this would channel the explosive force harmlessly upwards (20ft?) and provide some entertainment at the same time. /yeah, it's Friday!

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    8. Re:death by manhole cover? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if anybody has ever died from being hit on the head with one of these

      Obviously, there is some danger, but still, how cool is it that manhole covers are shooting into the air in a column of flame?

      Just a little something to make a New Yorker's day just that much more stressful.

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    9. Re:death by manhole cover? by MetalPhalanx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A friend of mine who does some professional photography takes some really cool pictures while "draining". There are a lot of neat places down there!

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshepherdson/

    10. Re:death by manhole cover? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> large-scale version of the party blower

      I think this would have to make a tremendous farting noise.

    11. Re:death by manhole cover? by Verteiron · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's New York, no one will care.

      Or notice.

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  3. WTF? by Dr.+Hok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a joke, right? Exploding manhole covers? In pre-Snake Plissken-New York? OMG

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  4. I can beat the machine by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I predict massive manhole manhole cover blowouts and big explosions anywhere within a mile radius of the next Michael Bay movie.

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  5. Re:Gotham? I thought the article was about NY? by Morty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The skyline and culture for Gotham always seemed more like New York City. wikipedia also identifies Gotham City with NYC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City#Origin_of_name

    Metropolis, meanwhile, appeared Midwestern in the early comics, although wikipedia claims that they haven't been consistent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(comics)

  6. Poo Energy by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Couldn't they harness all that energy that blows up manhole covers into some kind of renewable energy? Feed the sewer gas back into natural gas lines, attach pistons to manhole covers, etc

  7. In all seriousness by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So we have millions of people desperate for work, and a whole lot of dangerous wiring all over New York City. Why aren't we (and by "we", I mean ConEd or any level of government) investing in training up as many electricians as we can and replacing the bad wiring while it's relatively cheaper to do so?

    Oh, wait, maybe because there are no financial consequences to any organization if a manhole cover gets launched 300' up and lands on some 3-year-old.

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    1. Re:In all seriousness by RivenAleem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Clearly we need better tombstone technology

    2. Re:In all seriousness by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect that there are several complicating factors:

      Getting electricians who are competent to work on high voltage or high current distribution systems(and not make the situation worse) is probably a trifle harder than getting ones capable of doing home wiring without the place burning down(the latter, now that the fad for building shitty houses in the exurbs that nobody wants, should be in excellent supply). Not impossible; but you are probably looking at a nontrivial amount of theory, plus some time following around people who know what they are doing.

      Second, in dense urban areas, maintenance often means cutting power to whiny people, or digging up roads for days at a time that a bunch of complainers were trying to "commute" on. I strongly suspect that, if you cornered the highest ranking guy at ConEd who wears a hard hat for purposes other than publicity photos, he could tell you all kinds of upgrades and repairs that he would love to make. After the third scotch, he could probably stop shaking and tell you about the various obstacles in his way...

    3. Re:In all seriousness by izomiac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two points. The first is that while there are plenty of frivolous lawsuits, the plantiff in the McDonalds coffee was hospitalized for over a week and had to have skin graphs because the coffee was almost boiling when served. The second is that your quote isn't applicable to bad wiring because bad wiring has to be replaced eventually, and the cost for maintaining that wiring is likely rising until it's replaced.

    4. Re:In all seriousness by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An investment in repairing decaying infrastructure and even putting in new infrastructure is not a zero sum game. Let the infrastructure decay long enough and you will no longer be able to support industry and commerce, leading to an exponential rate of decay. Meanwhile, working laborers will be able to afford to consume and increase the growth of industry and commerce.

      The New deal gave us a national network of interstates, bridges and highways that have dramatically increased the productivity of the nation as a whole for the last 50 years. These were only designed to last about 50 years. Now after 30+ years of neglect and decay they are falling apart. Now more than ever, we need a reinvestment in national infrastructure. I am not talking about just roads and bridges; but power, water and information distribution systems as well.

    5. Re:In all seriousness by izomiac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, apparently McDonalds and Starbucks are both being sued right now for burns caused by tea. The McDonalds suit doesn't look very serious though.

      But, really, anything that can cause third degree burns shouldn't be served. Most people have never seen worse than a mild second degree burn. Third degree means that the skin was burned all the way though and you can see the fat or bone that's underneath. If you drank something that hot, it'd literally burn a hole in your stomach or esophagus.

      BTW, for the McDonalds hot coffee suit, it was her thighs and genitalia that got burned. If the femoral artery was hit, she'd have bled to death within minutes. I'm trying not to picture what a third degree burn on the genitalia looks like, though fortunately they're relatively painless since the nerves have been destroyed.

    6. Re:In all seriousness by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I don't live in NYC, I just checked out their website for the first site. The "about us" section describes how they make $13 billion revenue.. And still, the site I'm presented with looks like this: http://j.imagehost.org/view/0334/Untitled_8 in my browser. Checking out the sources it seems this masterpiece is coded in classic ASP.

      Now don't get me wrong, but why does a company with such a high profile present the world such a peace of misery? I mean, this is one of the most important interfaces they have to the world, and it's garbage. Should I assume that all their services have this quality, especially those which I don't directly see? Just asking..

  8. Re:Gotham? I thought the article was about NY? by careysub · · Score: 3, Informative

    New York is Metropolis.

    Chicago is Gotham.

    Gotham is New York. This is a popular name for the city that dates from the Nineteenth Century (Washington Irving in 1807 to be precise).

    The association with Bat Man is due to a DC writer's decision to invoke this nickname of the actual city of New York to evoke its essence in the fictional city.

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  9. Re:Who? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    No Al is a hologram projected from the real person in the future... He actually doesn't predict it himself he uses Ziggy a supercomputer with a personality, to do the actual predictions. He is telling us this so his friend Sam Becket (who looks a lot like Captain Archer from Star Trek Enterprise) can Quantum Leap again hopefully back to his own time...

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  10. Re:A couple vent holes would let the gas escape by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Southern California Edison requires two ventilating pylons for each manhole. They are much bigger than you might expect, and need to be spaced apart. It greatly increases planning complexity.

    Methane build-up is only one cause though. Venting that causes ...odors... that people tend to not want to be near. The more common cause is failure of oil-filled equipment ranging from link switches to transformers to oil-insulated cables. When these go you need someplace for the explosion to expand to... or you will destroy everything in the manhole.

    This is an interesting solution to the problem, but I have trouble understanding how it is more effective than root-cause analysis and post-incident review of data they already have. It isn't like the combination of factors is the problem... more like aging and over-burdened equipment that should already be on a predictive-maintenance plan.

  11. These things can explode spectacularly... by What'sInAName · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One time I witnessed one of these explosions in Boston, and let me tell you, it's quite impressive! It was a hot August day and I was standing about 20 ft away from it, when out of nowhere, BOOMBOOMBOOM! There were actually a series of explosions that knocked the manhole cover a foot or two in the air each time, and each time the cover came back down perfectly on the hole, as if nothing ever happened. There was a college kid who was even closer to it than I was. He was just a few feet away when it happened and I could see that it shook him up pretty badly.

    I asked the workman who was there a short time later what exactly had happened and he said a transformer had blown.

  12. Re:Gotham? I thought the article was about NY? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Informative

    The News Building in New York was the basis for the Daily Planet in the first two Superman movies. For reference: http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID014.htm

    As a side note, if you're in New York go visit the lobby of the building and walk around the globe exhibit therein. Look at the floor and note the distances to various locations. The walls surrounding the exhibit have clocks for different parts of the world as well.

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  13. Sure an AI can predict the explosion by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Funny

    but can it predict whether it lands heads or tails?

    .

  14. unfortunate publication venue by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Informative

    The research was published in the July issue of Machine Learning.

    Too bad, because if it had been published in the Journal of Machine Learning Research instead, people might actually be able to read it.

  15. Sewer gas by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative

    A friend of mine who does some professional photography takes some really cool pictures while "draining". There are a lot of neat places down there!

    Yes there are.

    But you can die in the drains - and it can happen very quickly.

    Sewer gas is mostly methane but may include hydrogen sulfide, ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Improper disposal of petroleum products such as gasoline and mineral spirits can add to the fun. [freely adapted from the Wikipedia]

    Methane is something to be feared:

    Two kids among five killed by methane gas

  16. Algorithm looks like failure by odin84gk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Con Edison blind-tested the team’s model by withholding information on a recent set of fires and explosions. The top 2 percent of manholes ranked as vulnerable by the algorithm included 11 percent of the manholes that had recently had a fire or explosion, Rudin notes.

    According to the article, there are about 51,000 manholes in New York. A few hundred explosions occur every year. (Lets say 300). So the algorithm listed (51,000*.02)=1020 manholes that were high risk. Out of that 1020 manholes, they were correct on (300*.11)=33 manholes.

    In my industry, we would call this a complete failure. Even the weather forecaster would call this a failure. It reminds me of Demolition Man

    Chief George Earle: We can just wait for another code to go red. And when Phoenix performs another Murder Death Kill, we'll know exactly where to pounce.
    John Spartan: [sarcastic] Great plan.
    Chief George Earle: [not realising the sarcasm] Thank you.
    Erwin: He likes your plan, Chief!

  17. Please, think of the children... by wzzzzrd · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...err, foreigners. Don't use words like "manhole" in headlines. My native tongue isn't English, and you don't want to know what kind of associations comes to a foreign mind while reading the word "manhole".

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  18. Re:Rio de Janeiro by camelrider · · Score: 2, Informative

    The gas involved here is from the sewer system, not "gas lines". Access to the sewer system is through the passageways for electric, water, etc., which are above.

  19. Re:Rio de Janeiro by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

    You Brits are so soft. I suppose that an average British family can expect their children to survive into adulthood. What a bunch of pampered pussies.

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  20. Re:Rio de Janeiro by phoenix321 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's sewage pipes. There's some water in there, of course, and it could overflow with the next thunderstorm.