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FCC Dodges Pointed Questions On US Broadband Plan

Ars covers a series of questions that US senators put to the FCC chairman following up on his appearance before the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee in April. The headline question was a blunt one asked by octogenarian Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI): "The National Broadband Plan (NBP) proposes a goal of having 100 million homes subscribed at 100Mbps by 2020, while the leading nations already have 100Mbps fiber-based services at costs of $30 to $40 per month and beginning rollout of 1Gbps residential services, which the FCC suggests is required only for a single anchor institution in each community by 2020. This appears to suggest that the US should accept a 10- to 12-year lag behind the leading nations. What is the FCC's rationale for a vision that appears to be firmly rooted in the second tier of countries?" In the FCC's formal response (PDF), Chairman Genachowski doesn't rise to the "second tier" bait, and in fact talks about "ensuring that America remains a broadband world leader," as if he believes we currently are. A blogger over at Balloon Juice is a little more forthright on the "What is the FCC's rationale" question: "The rationale is that this is the best they can do with a legislative branch in the pocket of telecom providers."

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  1. To be fair by poet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We (the U.S.) is a great deal larger and more spread out than *any* of those other countries. However, it is ridiculous that I can't easily get 100Mbs (compared to other countries) in cities like Portland or Seattle. I would expect to only be able to get 25Mbs where I live (and I can and do), as I am 45 from a major metro.

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    1. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Likewise it would be ridiculous if I lose my Free TV (via antenna) just because the FCC wants to sell-out to ATT, Verizon, and other megacorps. I can not take credit for these words, since they were written by someone else, but I agree with them wholeheartedly. SOURCE: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18860552#post1886055

      - "The irony is that if the Bush FCC had dared to push something like this, it would have been attacked by progressives -- and rightly so -- because there's absolutely nothing progressive about this particular proposal. It takes away a free service that is currently enjoyed in at least 15 million households [i.e. 15% of the population], including many who aren't especially well off [poor].

      "And it does so for the purpose of turning that spectrum over to some very, very big telecom companies to either warehouse [i.e. not use and sit idle] or offer expensive subscription services to a mostly well-heeled customer base of Blackberry and iPhone users. [Plus] the stations most likely to lose their spectrum are also those stations that are least likely to be part of any of the big media conglomerates.

      "Which means that ownership diversity also takes a hit if this FCC Plan comes to pass. It's hard for me to find the words to express the level of disgust that I feel for this misbegotten proposal. But I'll certainly cheer when FCC Chair Genachowski goes away (may that happen soon!) -- he's even worse than Michael Powell was, and Powell was pretty awful. Meanwhile, I really miss Kevin Martin, who was something of a loose cannon, but at least he didn't seem to be so totally in the pocket of any particular industry."

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      In other words:
      - it hurts the poor
      - it hurts rural residents
      - it add another expensive $1000-2000 annual bill
      - it serves to further consolidate the industry away from private local station, and into the hands of megacorps
      - stifles competition by monopolizing entertainment in even fewer hands (ATT, Verizon) than previously

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    2. Re:To be fair by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even Seattle, with it's suburban neighborhoods of separated houses is going to have trouble matching Tokyo high-rise apartments, where you can get 1Gb networks in some places.

      The reason slashdot readers have so much trouble with this (and start making up conspiracy theories like the one in the summary) is because the FCC has a different goal than the average slashdot reader. The average slashdot reader wants an OC192 line straight to his house. The FCC wants to give everyone broadband. So if you have 1mb download speeds, you're basically a success case for the FCC, even if you're not happy about it. The FCC is going to try to reach the people still on dial-up (I don't know who that is).

      As you can see from this chart, the US has more broadband users than any other country in the world. It has a higher percentage of broadband users than even Japan. So as far as the FCC is concerned, their goals are being reached. Your personal goal (and frankly, my personal goal) of getting an OC192 line is not a priority to them. Sorry.

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    3. Re:To be fair by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BTW why do you need 100 Mbit/s?

      What do you need a 3 GHz 6 core CPU for? What do you need 12G of RAM for? What do you need a 3T hard drive for? These are all equally pointless questions, because regardless of the fact that you can't think of anything that would use the faster hardware, there's always countless ideas that would become practical (and widely implemented) when faster hardware is deployed.

    4. Re:To be fair by Sepodati · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Eliminating free OTA TV doesn't mean that free services will be eliminated entirely. It could be FCC policy that the new owners of the spectrum subsidize cable or satellite services to offer an entirely free very basic tier. I'd bet that very few of those free OTA TV watchers don't have access to cable or satellite (if they wanted it).

      You have valid points that just need to be taken into consideration in the event of a complete broadcast TV removal. There's no need to waste valuable terrestrial spectrum when your points can be handled through other means, though.

      -John

    5. Re:To be fair by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And for some users it's not just worth it to step up technology so they may just consider the fact that it may be worth it to just skip the TV and broadband. Sure - hillbillies, but when it starts to feel like the media companies starts to milk you of money and that you need a new TV every two years then it's time to think about it.

      At least ordinary radio isn't digitalized and laden with a subscription fee yet.

      One may wonder if the Amish are the ones that have the best chance to survive a breakdown in society.

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    6. Re:To be fair by Jurily · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US really isn't that far behind when compared to other continent-spanning federations:

      Except, you're behind Russia, and you just showed that Romania is better equipped than New York. Considering the respective living standards, I can't say I agree with your conclusion.

      Not to mention how misguided it is to correlate physical distances and connectivity. You're behind Russia. Who won the cold war, again?

    7. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>The FCC is going to try to reach the people still on dial-up (I don't know who that is).

      I do. A friend of mine is stuck on dialup (about 45k digital connection). He has both cable and phonelines which could easily be upgraded to Broadband internet (just install a DOCSIS or DSLAM box for ~$100). But they don't. IMHO the Congress needs to mandate that the local phone company must provide that simple upgrade, the same way in the 1930s they mandated the phone company must hook every home to a phone line. The money can come out of the monthly USF we all pay.

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    8. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>At least ordinary radio isn't digitalized and laden with a subscription fee yet.

      I concur on the Amish part. The economy collapses and they barely notice; they just keep on planting their food and enjoying life. Most of them are rich compared to most of us (they have half-a-million or more in cash or in the bank). As for Digital Radio no date has been set but I expect the FCC to shutoff analog radio by 2020 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio

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    9. Re:To be fair by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Informative

      ***...New Hampshire... 9 Mbit/s***

      In your dreams ... Maybe in parts of Concord and the Southern tier cities that are part of the Boston metro area. In rural New Hampshire? Not a chance. US broadband figures remain -- as they have been for two decades, a work of fiction. Even the FCC admits in its better moments that their broadband penetration data has essentially no connection with reality. "Stunningly meaningless" is the term they used a couple of years ago.

      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080319/164249588.shtml

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    10. Re:To be fair by Sepodati · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, that'd suck to go from 40 free things to 6-7 free things. I mean, you're entitled that the number of things that you're doing or paying absolutely nothing for shouldn't decrease. We should continue to waste spectrum so your number of free things doesn't change.

      The basic (but not free) tier on Comcast has 100 channels @ $360/yr, btw.

      I think that there's a public interest goal that's met with free TV and radio and that should be maintained. I don't think we need to use the vast amounts of spectrum to maintain it, though.

      -John

    11. Re:To be fair by Nyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>100Mbs

      BTW why do you need 100 Mbit/s?

      porn of course.

      Live action porn, with the upcoming sex robot attachment.

      What else pushes industries, but porn?

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    12. Re:To be fair by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>What do you need a 3 GHz 6 core CPU for?

      I don't. I watch HDTV on a 3 gigahertz single core Pentium

      >>>What do you need 12G of RAM for?

      I don't. I only have half-a-gig.

      >>>What do you need a 3T hard drive for?

      I don't. It's only 0.3 terabytes.

      The questions aren't directed at anyone in particular, they're just today's equivalent of the same questions people could have asked 10 years ago... What do you need a 3 GHz Pentium for? What do you need 512M RAM for? What do you need a 300G hard drive for? Of course, the answers to those questions are blindingly obvious now, but they weren't then.

      What I'm really trying to point out here is the absurdity of the typical kneejerk reaction of "Oh, there's nothing yet that requires $newtech, therefore it's stupid and nobody should buy it."

      Finally, if you're going to go by the literal definition of "need", then your original question is loaded, as there's no correct answer. Nobody needs an Internet connection, a computer, anything electronic or even a home.

    13. Re:To be fair by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This crap gets modded up again? For years I could not get anything better than 3/768 DSL or 5/512 Cable (worse actually) in the middle of friggin' Manhattan. In any of our two locations, Chelsea and Upper East side that was the best available. The same for both the homes I lived in, on in Queens and one in Brooklyn. Finally last year I think it was speakeasy that offered us "up to" 12 Mbit DSL for... wait for it... 160$!!! Yes, it was static IP included (you didn't have a choice), but come on! Supposedly FIOS is coming "soon"...
      Meanwhile, in Athens Greece, with Greece being among the worse (or the worst) among EU nations in internet speed, everyone I know has had at least 8Mbit (currently "up to" 24, with 10-13 being the usual case at the typical 1-2km distance from a DSLAM) for about 30-40 Euro. And again, this is among the worse of EU.
      So, yeah, do your nice comparisons. Delaware = Romania and don't forget New York = Zimbambwe and chill out, no need to ask for more!

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    14. Re:To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, given that the FCCs jurisdiction is just the US and not the whole continent (which also includes Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and part of Panama, not to mention possibly including all the Caribbean nations), then a billion Cell phone towers would get you over a hundred cell phone towers per square kilometer. Just a little bit of overkill. On average, you can probably manage something more like one cell phone tower for every 10 square kilometers (which is a little over a 3 km range while some towers in flat areas can cover thousands of square kilometers in theory, while more geographically complex areas can take a lot more, but it all evens out), which is more like 1 million cell phone towers. If they can be built for say 150,000, then that's about $150 billion dollars, which works out to about $150 apiece if you assume 100 million cell phone users in the US (probably a big underestimate). I paid about $2000 for cell phone service for myself and my girlfriend last year, so $1000 apiece (data plans and unlimited texting and so forth probably make it more than the absolute average person pays). Even if we assume only a hundred million cell phone users in the US and we assume they paid a quarter what I pay, and we assume towers last 20 years and amortize the cost and we assume they need 10% of their construction cost in maintenance and power each year (including transponder upgrades every few years, amortized), that's $22.5 billion per year, which is less than the $25 billion per year we're underestimating the Telecoms get in cell phone bills per year (we're giving everyone a $21 monthly cell phone bill).
      So, if the telecommunications companies used the other $2.5 billion per year on things like billing and accounting (around $2 per customer, per month) we could have 100% cell phone coverage. The reality is of course that the telecoms take in a lot more than my estimates in cell phone bills, but we only have about a fifth of those million towers. So let's say they get $35 billion per year in bills and they spend $4.5 billion a year on cell phone infrastructure and $2.5 billion per year on billing and accounting. What do they spend the other $28 billion on? True I'm just making up these numbers, but they're not crazy far out and I'm mostly overestimating average costs and underestimating profits. I've kind of ignored the land-bound connections between towers partly because with that many towers they could communicate between each other with line of sight communications in many cases and partly because most of the land-bound infrastructure is part of the telecoms non-wireless business.
      The point is, it's pretty clear that the telecoms in the US rake in profits and neglect their infrastructure. Arguments about the US having a low population density don't really cut it for me. The telecoms infrastructure is a tree, there's a cost to the nodes and a cost to the connections between the nodes. If it's designed efficiently, then the number of nodes on the tree is pretty much the same ratio of nodes to customers as it is for any country, and people still tend to live in clusters, even if the clusters are further apart, so not all of the connections between the nodes are longer. The nodes represent telecoms switching equipment and facilities, which can be really expensive and the connections are cable runs. So, the cable runs can be longer, but there should be about the same number of expensive switches and so forth per person. So, the cost will be greater, but you can't say, for example, that since the US has half the population density of Ireland that it will cost half as much as the US per person to wire up to the same level. Most of the cost per person is the same, just the small part of running the cable is more.

    15. Re:To be fair by trickofperspective · · Score: 3, Insightful

      100Mbps is for innovation. You're right -- 10 or 25Mbps is plenty for now. So imagine what could be done with 100Mbps; while Americans are imagining it, people from other countries are, in fact, experimenting with and developing it.

      "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

    16. Re:To be fair by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually its those in the depths of poverty who are the most likely to dedicate part of their income to TV (and cigarettes and beer).
      I'll get marked flamebait for it, but having grown up in a poor part of a poor town, I have no doubt but that its largely their own choices and actions that A) put them there and/or B) keep them there.

    17. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Informative

      >>>Did I miss that in the Constitution or in the UN list of human rights?

      Yes you did. Also the Declaration of Independence. ALL things belong to the People and ALL authority derives from the People. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People." "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." - I could also quote the 50 Member State constitutions which include similar observations/laws but I'll just stop there.

      The roads are common property of the People. The air is common property of the People. And so too are the airwaves which carry radio, television, cellphones, et cetera part of the common property of the People. It is morally wrong to take-away OUR common property, our free television and radio, and lock it up behind a ~$100/month cellphone paywall.
      .

      >>>They produced the content. They maintain the infrastructure.

      And the stations and transmitters. That's true, but the landlord is the American People. We have the power, via our government, to revoke those leases/licenses anytime we wish. In fact the FCC has done that several times over the decades. It's just like kicking-out a misbehaving tenant.

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    18. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>Eliminating free OTA TV doesn't mean that free services will be eliminated entirely
      .

      True but I don't think it's necessary to eliminate free over-the-air television at all. Here's my broadband plan (note broadband means greater than telephone narrowband) (i.e. >>4000 hertz):

      - Take a page out of the FDR years which mandated telephone companies must wire all homes with telephone lines
      - Update the law so it says telephone companies must provide DSL (or FiOS or equivalent service) to all homes by 1/1/2012
      - Use the already-existing Universal Service Fund (USF) to cover the costs

      Done. Since 99.9% of homes have telephone wires running into them, there's no digging required. No manual labor. No disruption. Simply install a ~$100 DSLAM box in each neighborhood. Within a year's time, virtually everyone would have access to 1000 kbit/s or more service. That's 20+ times faster than what they had before (28k or 56k).

      Over time those DSLs would be phased-out and upgraded to fiber, but as of 2012 the US Congress could claim, "Not one single american citizen is still stuck on dialup." They might even be able to use it for the reelection campaign.

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    19. Re:To be fair by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      P.S.

      >>>100Mbs

      BTW why do you need 100 Mbit/s? It only takes 5 Mbit/s to carry a MPEG4-encoded HDTV stream; I suppose if you have 3 people in the same house but watching different channels, then you'd need 15 Mbit/s minimum. So what's the 100 Mbit/s line for? (just curious). ----- Plus this broadband plan will be for *wireless* internet and not the answer to your problem. I've never seen a wireless connection that fast. You should be contacting the FCC and saying this plan is unacceptable.

      - And final thought. The US really isn't that far behind when compared to other continent-spanning federations:
      Russian Federation 8.3 Mbit/s
      U.S. 7.0
      E.U. 6.6
      Canada 5.7
      Australia 5.1
      China 3.0
      Brazil 2.1
      Mexico 1.1 Mbit/s

      And if you prefer to look on a state-by-state basis of the EU, US, and Canada then you get:
      Sweden 13 Mbit/s
      Delaware, Romania,Netherlands,Bulgaria 12
      Washington,Rhode Island 11
      Massachusetts 10
      New Jersey,Virginia,New Hampshire,New York 9
      British Columbia,Colorado,Connecticut,Arizona, Slovakia 8 Mbit/s

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    20. Re:To be fair by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah except they aren't doing that. The FCC isn't listening to the majority of the people, and instead is listening to the siren call of the corporations (and $$$).

      As people often point out here, the USA is not a direct democracy, it's a democratic republic. That means that FCC is fully within its rights - and indeed has a duty to - in ignoring the majority of the people if it thinks they are wrong. You have a remedy against this behaviour during the next elections.

      I'd have to pay about $100 a month to use the channels that I've used for Free all my life.

      Yes, and I'm not using them at all, and haven't for years. I'd be better served by selling them off and having the money used for something that benefits me. Apparently the FCC thinks that the latter is better than the former.

      How is moving from free to a paywall an improvement?

      It's not. The question is: is the money the companies pay for them enough to justify it?

      "The People" would be better off to not lockup those channels into these megacorps, and instead allow it to continue to be used by local, community-based tv stations to provide Free streaming video content (6000 gigabytes per month per channel), as has been the case for the last ~70 years.

      No, as you've repeatedly stated, you would be better off that way. And as I have stated, I would be better off selling them off as long as those companies pay even a single burnt wooden penny for them. As for what most benefits The People, that's for the FCC to figure out - that's why it exists.

      Why is it that libertarians have such a hard time acknowledging that the interests of people other than themselves might also matter? Or am I mixing cause and effect here?

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  2. Ummm... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No other country that is at the top of the broadband list has 100 million homes.

    http://top10.com/broadband/blog/2010/02/top_10_broadband_countries/
    http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/01/news/economy/broadband_internet_connection/index.htm

    It's much easier to throw alot of broadband out when your populations are centralized, or the country is small.

    1. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even so, areas of the US with high population density should have better broadband. They don't. That suggests that there is a more fundamental problem.

    2. Re:Ummm... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's my broadband plan (note broadband means any service greater than telephone narrowband signals) (i.e. >>4000 hertz)

      - Take a page out of the FDR years which mandated telephone companies must wire all homes with telephone lines
      - Update the law so it says telephone companies must provide DSL (or FiOS or equivalent service) to all homes by 1/1/2012
      - Use the already-existing Universal Service Fund (USF) to cover the costs

      Done. Since 99.9% of homes have telephone wires running into them, there's no digging required. No manual labor. More disruption. Simply install a ~$100 DSLAM in each neighborhood. Within a year's time, virtually everyone would have access to 1000 kbit/s or more service. That's 20+ times faster than what they had before (28k or 56k).

      Over time those DSL would be phased-out and upgraded to fiber, but as of 2012 the US Congress could claim, "Not one single american citizen is still stuck on dialup."

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  3. It's so disappointing. by ZanySpyDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dislike immensely a system that prohibits someone from speaking openly about a nations problems to it's very legislators.

  4. Balloon Juice Blogger by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The rationale is that this is the best they can do with a legislative branch in the pocket of telecom providers."

    *snicker*

    Too bad US Senators are unlikely to read such words themselves. It would be fun to see their reactions at being lambasted for being the corrupt morons they are. I doubt they would change their ways over such accusations, but watching them get all puffy faced and dramatic in their excuses/responses to such outright disrespect would be funnier than most of the crap I can find on TV nowadays.

  5. Apples and Oranges by MaggieL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Ranking" broadband penetration by comparing countries like Singapore and Finland with the US containing states like Alaska, Kansas and Nevada) is just plain silly. The economics of providing network coverage are insanely sensitive to population density and land area.

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    1. Re:Apples and Oranges by cbope · · Score: 2, Informative

      As someone living in Finland... sorry, epic fail. Less than 2% of the landmass of Finland is developed and occupied by humans. We already have 100Mb connections widely available and broadband is a legal right for all citizens. Plus, we have mobile phone coverage of about 98% of the entire country.

      You have a oligopoly problem in the telecom/boradband industry and corrupt politicians that are keeping you in the dark ages. Change the system.

  6. USA ROCKS! by jjeffries · · Score: 3, Funny

    >as if he believes we currently are.

    Whut? The USA is the best, most freest country in the world. We're #1 at everything without even trying! USA! USA! Anyone who doesn't think so is a damn dirty hippy fag druggie terrorist communist and can get the hell out!

    Thank you Jesus! Amen.

  7. Other than for video, why? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Other than to distribute TV, what's all that bandwidth for?

    Most slow-loading pages today are server-side problems. Usually some ad server is holding up page loads.

  8. No, we are not by copponex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Approximately 70% of the American population lives in 1% of it's landmass, which I believe is about 100 metro areas. We are not a rural nation, and haven't been for some time. (Here's an article that says 80% of the population lives within metro areas.)

    Norway and Sweden have similar population clusters and sparse country areas, and they have near universal broadband coverage, both wired and wireless. The difference is that they spend more money on investing in infrastructure and less on maintaining an overseas empire and a police state.

    As far as average population density, America has 83 people per square mile, Norway has 32 per square mile, and Sweden has 53 per square mile.

    It's a failure of vision, investment, and will. It has nothing to do with population density.

    1. Re:No, we are not by countertrolling · · Score: 4, Informative

      If I remember my grade school geography right, the Scandinavian Peninsula isn't exactly flatland...

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    2. Re:No, we are not by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>Norway and Sweden... spend more money on investing in infrastructure and less on maintaining an overseas empire and a police state.

      Don't they also have tons of oil? So that makes them much richer countries than the US with its 13,200,000,000,000 dollar debt (approximately $130,000 debt per american home). They can afford to ripup old phones lines and laydown shiny-new fiber. We can't.

      Oh and you can't blame all that on the military. The debt grew by ~1.5 trillion since Bush stepped down. The military only spent about 10% of it, so even if you eliminated the military entirely, the debt would still be +1.3 trillion higher than when Bush left office.

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    3. Re:No, we are not by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Norway has tons of oil. Sweden? We've got some wood, and iron...
      You most certainly can afford to lay down fiber, but it's obviously not something you prioritize, just like you can afford to cover your entire populations healthcare needs if it was something your politicians decided was necessary.
      I've got 100Mbps fiber in my apartment. My parents house will get fiber this fall, the former state monopoly (which owns pretty much all the phone infrastructure because of an idiotic decision to sell the infrastructure when the company was privatized) is putting fibers in the existing underground tubes for phone lines. (most phone lines were dug into the ground decades ago, along with electricity)

    4. Re:No, we are not by Sepodati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Free TV streams 6000 gigabytes per month per channel.

      What's your upstream rate on that, since we're comparing apples to oranges?

  9. $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future stolen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is Cringely's take on broadband and the government (from August 2007)

    http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

    "The National Information Infrastructure as codified in the Telecommunications Act of 1996 existed on two levels -- federal and state.
    As a federal law, the Act specified certain data services that were to be made available to schools, libraries, hospitals, and public safety agencies
    and paid for through special surcharges and some tax credits."

    "Over the decade from 1994-2004 the major telephone companies profited from higher phone rates paid by all of us, accelerated depreciation
    on their networks, and direct tax credits an average of $2,000 per subscriber for which the companies delivered precisely nothing in terms of
    service to customers. That's $200 billion with nothing to be shown for it."

    "It is on the state level where one can find the greatest excesses of the Telecommunications Act. All 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia
    contracted with their local telecommunication utilities for the build-out of fiber and hybrid fiber-coax networks intended to bring bidirectional digital video
    service to millions of homes by the year 2000. The Telecom Act set the mandate but, as it works with phone companies, the details were left to the states.
    Fifty-one plans were laid and 51 plans failed."

    "There are no good guys in this story. Misguided and incompetent regulation combined with utilities that found ways to game the system resulted in what
    had been the best communication system in the world becoming just so-so, though very profitable. We as consumers were consistently sold ideas that
    were impractical only to have those be replaced later by less-ambitious technologies that, in turn, were still under-delivered. Congress set mandates then
    provided little or no oversight. The FCC was (and probably still is) managed for the benefit of the companies and their lobbyists, not for you and me. And the
    upshot is that I could move to Japan and pay $14 per month for 100-megabit-per-second Internet service but I can't do that here and will probably never be able to."

  10. The US is not "too big" by fullback · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "US is too big" argument is specious. How did Americans ever get telephones, gas and water if the country is too big? Why don't high-density cities have 1st-world Internet speeds?

    Look, I've lived in Japan through all iterations of Internet connectivity, from x.x modems, through ISDN, Adsl and fiber. I don't live in a city, I live an hour drive from a major city, but I've had 100Mbps fiber for eight or nine years now. It's so long ago, I can't remember, but it costs me about the same as a couple of pizzas per month.

    I actually have 1Gbps wired, but I don't need that capacity yet. I have HDTV through my connection and the infrastructure is so solid, I have never had an outage in 15 years - not one. I lived in a rural area 8 years ago and still had 40Mbps Adsl.

    There are few technological or geographical hurdles affecting your Internet connectivity in the US. You have only market hurdles. The biting reality is that local monopolies are stifling the market, as they are intended to do. If you really want state-of-the-art connectivity, you have to embrace a free market. Recall local and state politicians who vote for monopolies, or defeat them in elections by voting in people who will repeal monopoly legislation made in collusion with the provider.

    1. Re:The US is not "too big" by ducomputergeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We own a farm that is a 4 hour drive from a major city. At the farm house, they didn't get phone service until the early 1950's and they had a party line until 1990. Electricity came in the 40's, but water is provide by a well and sanitation by a septic tank. Gas has been and is still provided by a propane tank and is filled by trunk once a year (we don't spend much time there after my grand mother died, but still keep the place up as a place to go when we want to get away from the city for a few days or need to do farm business).

      Telecom services eventually do make it out to the rural areas, but it takes time. And by time I'm talking years and sometimes decades. Even cell reception with Verizon can be spotty in places because there is something like 0.4 people per square mile. Rural in Japan is not the same thing as Rural in Kansas or Nebraska or Montana.

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    2. Re:The US is not "too big" by fullback · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Rural in Japan is not the same thing as Rural in Kansas or Nebraska or Montana."

      Yes, I agree. I would probably refer to your family farm as "isolated" and not "rural." ;-) Either way, it is near the extreme end of the density chart, and that may be why you don't live there full time.

    3. Re:The US is not "too big" by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rural in Japan is not the same thing as Rural in Kansas or Nebraska or Montana.

      No, but URBAN Japan IS a lot like urban New York, urban Chicago, urban San Francisco. And yet, somehow their cities get the same 100Mbps fiber that's OH NOES IMPOSSIBLE! for the U.S.

      One thing this country has become a major producer and exporter of: pathetic excuses.

  11. Denial is our national culture by Improv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks to a marketing mentality, our response to any realisation that we're not doing well is to "declare it ain't so" and toss out distractions until the challenger gives up in exasperation. Any studies to the contrary have enough mud slung at them that the common person won't trust either side and will allow their national pride or other predispositions to decide what they think is real.

    We're not good at looking problems in the face, no matter what their nature.

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  12. Leasing Infrastructure by nhavar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why can't we do this in a logical organized manner.

    1. The government builds out infrastructure
    2. The telecoms lease infrastructure
    3. Individuals buy service from the telecoms at a regulated rate
    4. The regulated rate has enough buffer to subsidize service to those under the poverty line
    5. The lease rate has enough buffer to pay for the original build out, maintenance, plus further innovation
    6. Innovation money is funneled back into colleges for research into next gen technologies

    The build out could be done with contractors through the telecoms, or contracted on a state by state basis giving states control of where and when to build but the federal government own the spec of how to build out so that it remains consistent and interoperable from a interstate trade perspective (i.e. some broadband may be shared over boarders like in the case of St. Louis). The telecoms still get to profit from the infrastructure albeit at a reduced profit due to regulation and people below poverty get the opportunity to take part via subsidy, library, schools, etc.,. You could even due partial regulation where it's regulated up until some minimum standard and anything over that is considered "gold plan" allowing the telecoms to charge higher rates for higher usage.

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    1. Re:Leasing Infrastructure by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why can't we do this in a logical organized manner.

      1. The government builds out infrastructure
      2. The telecoms lease infrastructure
      3. Individuals buy service from the telecoms at a regulated rate
      4. The regulated rate has enough buffer to subsidize service to those under the poverty line
      5. The lease rate has enough buffer to pay for the original build out, maintenance, plus further innovation
      6. Innovation money is funneled back into colleges for research into next gen technologies

      The build out could be done with contractors through the telecoms, or contracted on a state by state basis giving states control of where and when to build but the federal government own the spec of how to build out so that it remains consistent and interoperable from a interstate trade perspective (i.e. some broadband may be shared over boarders like in the case of St. Louis). The telecoms still get to profit from the infrastructure albeit at a reduced profit due to regulation and people below poverty get the opportunity to take part via subsidy, library, schools, etc.,. You could even due partial regulation where it's regulated up until some minimum standard and anything over that is considered "gold plan" allowing the telecoms to charge higher rates for higher usage.

      How about this. broadband, tv, phone, electricity, water is all taken care of by the government. no private companies trying to make a profit from them. It's part of our rights as american citizens.

      Yes, we would still have to pay for them, as taxes, or whatever. But no middle man trying to profit off people.

      Of course, the biggest problems are corporations. We have to limit their power first.

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  13. US as a broadband world leader by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Claiming US is a broadband world leader is complete and utter bull and quite well shows the ignorance of the speaker. Even Finland isn't at the top but still we have a broadband coverage of about 90% of the whole country, including rural areas, and the downtimes in broadband services are rare and don't last long.

    There was discussion about this on OSNews a while back and I think it was South Korea where a 100mbit/s broadband connection costs like 10 euro/month, and it covers the whole country. THAT'S more like a broadband world leader tbh.

  14. ROI by copponex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The difference is that American society has been led to believe that the only form of investment that's worth anything is one with a high ROI. Infrastructure simply doesn't work that way.

    Let's say you have a country with one million people, mostly concentrated in a capital city. Let's say the richest 10% of that country mostly live in the capital, and 70% of the population does as well. There is little incentive for a corporation to spend the same amount of money connecting 70% of the population on connecting the other 30%. The ROI is too low.

    Furthermore, they have little incentive to provide a reasonable price to everyone, instead of a high price to the richest 10% who can afford it, and a middle price to the top two quintiles of income, and just forget about the rest. If this were just some luxury product, this is all to be expected, and not exactly harmful to the economy at large. Have a look at any South American country that was forced to follow these stupid rules: a two tier economy, with the top doing extremely well, and 90% wallowing in poverty with little access to infrastructure to help them get out.

    When it comes to infrastructure, privatization is the quickest way to destroy an advancing economy. What if lobbyists decided in the 30s that electrification was a luxury? Or decided that a national road system was a luxury? Without widespread and reliable infrastructure, you simply have no foundation for a good economy. If I want to open a business, the first thing I'm going to look for is the place that has the best infrastructure for it: ports, railroads, reliable electric grid, and of course, a population that can actually do the work.

    In 30 years, if the libertarian pretenders have their way, America will have a lopsided two tier economy, degraded infrastructure, and perhaps less public debt. But not one of the corporations is going to give a shit about the debt. They're going to take one look at our uneducated population, poor internet connectivity, unreliable coal-fired electric grid, and oil-dependent transportation network, and ask if we're willing to work for Ugandan wages, because the Chinese middle class is looking for a new textile manufacturing base.

  15. Ahh yes... by copponex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you really think America has only been spending money on the military since 2008? You know, it's really tough to argue with people whose memories only last an election cycle.

    Do you know what happens when you lower taxes for the wealthy at the same time you start two foreign wars? The economics of this are so basic that it's ridiculous to have to explain further. As McCain would say, before his opinions were no longer allowed by his new campaign managers: "The tax cut is not appropriate until we find out the cost of the war and the cost of reconstruction,"

    Here's fifty years of military waste, presented in video form:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJVUQIwb-iM