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iPhone 4 Reception Recall Ruckus Roundup

Readers today have been sending tons of stories about the iPhone 4, so here are a few of the highlights: Following the Consumers Reports announcement that the iPhone has antenna problems, Andy Patrizio asks if Apple can withstand the pressure to recall, while CNet estimates that a recall would cost them $1.5B. But that's just the latest on the iPhone 4 — the long running carrier exclusivity lawsuit rumors have been upgraded to Class Action status.

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  1. Stock price is falling too by SquarePixel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CNet estimates that a A recall would cost them $1.5B

    It's not only that cost. In 3 days Apple's stock has gone down a huge 5%, costing Apple and their shareholders millions of dollars and creating huge image problems.

    It also look like Apple's PR team completely messed up, from the "learn a new way to hold a phone" to removing of any critical comments from their support forums. Considering PR and marketing is one of Apple's strongest areas and which pushes everything they do forward, they did some incredibly stupid decisions.

    Now that they are basically ignoring the problem, any more time they take doing nothing will cost them even more.

    1. Re:Stock price is falling too by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      iPhone 4 Reception Recall Ruckus Roundup

      I'm more interested in why CmdrTaco sounds like the narrator from Wacky Races.

    2. Re:Stock price is falling too by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      "learn a new way to hold a phone" means don't hold the phone how we hold it in every commercial/ad for the iPhone 4, where they touch the bottom left. - Steve

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    3. Re:Stock price is falling too by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How does the share price going down cost Apple anything?

      Sure it costs the shareholders something, but why Apple itself?

      Are they borrowing so much money that a 5% drop in their share price has upped the interest rate they pay? Are they doing a share issue to generate cash?

      Wouldn't it reduce the cost of any stock/stock option components of remuneration packages, and hence save Apple money?

  2. Signals by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what we're saying is that the new iPhone is getting a bad reception??? :)

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  3. Stock is not a big problem. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they dont release a patch, their stock will be useful only as wallpaper by the weekend.

    Except, that is what many savvy investors are counting on, because the fall in their stock price is really a reaction of fear.

    Savvy investors never trade on emotion, and they bank on the emotion of others by reading the emotions that drive the market. This still works because the majority of those who trade stocks are still very emotional.

    Apple basically shot themselves in the foot, and their wounds are bound to heal. That is far better than if someone else (like MS) shot them and they got hurt, as that would be a sign of vulnurability to competition.

    1. Re:Stock is not a big problem. by nicke999 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "the majority of those who trade stocks are still very emotional"

      Not true. The major owners in Apple, as any major company on the stock market, are mutual funds and institutional holders with 72% of the stocks. Maybe the majority of the small time investors are emotional, I don't know, but that is a completely different thing since they can only affect the stock price so much.

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  4. ZOMG a "huge" -5%?! by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That puts the share price at a mere 177% of its value 1 year ago. Their investors must be pissed!

  5. $1.5B is a BOGUS number... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem is the antennas being shorted by a slightly conductive (sweaty) finger bridging one or more of the three breaks.

    Apple doesn't need a recall to fix the problem: future phones can have a coating, and a free bumper ($10 cost to Apple) to existing customers solves all the problems.

    At 2M iPhones, the "recall fix" would be a whopping $20M.

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    1. Re:$1.5B is a BOGUS number... by ftobin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having a bumper would be a wart. Apple clearly has style in the forefront of their minds when they design a mobile device; it is part of their brand image. Anything interrupting the sleekness of the product would tarnish perception of the company. It would be a constant physical reminder of a flaw.

      I think it is most likely in Apple's best interest to get new phones out to people with a redesigned antenna solution.

  6. Apple: Send a free case, it will cost you less by StuartHankins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, I love Apple products. I own / have owned a MacBook Pro, 2 iMacs, an iPod 2G, an iPhone 3GS, an iPad, an Airport Express, and an iPod shuffle. I get it.

    But, seriously Apple, you did a recall with the MacBook battery issue. You replaced batteries and even though it cost you some money your karma was helped by it. Do the same with the iPhone 4... offer owners a case which you test to make sure fixes the problem. It will probably cost you $20 per for these including shipping and processing assuming you can get the cases for $4 or so. But you will instantly shut up the majority of people who are complaining VERY loudly about the problem AND you will have "done the right thing".

    NO company is capable of 100% preventing mistakes, but it's how you act as a company that determines how you're perceived. You can be cool and hip all you want but if customers are afraid to purchase your products because you've stuck to your guns and forced lawsuits to happen you lose in the long run.

    1. Re:Apple: Send a free case, it will cost you less by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But, seriously Apple, you did a recall with the MacBook battery issue. You replaced batteries and even though it cost you some money your karma was helped by it.

      Bad batteries are completely different from bad cellphone reception. The former can cause a fire, damage to the laptop, damage to the home if the fire spreads, and possibly death. Not doing a recall on batteries would probably land them in serious trouble with the government, especially if there were fatalities. The same can't be said for mere bad cellphone reception.

      Additionally, at the time the MacBook batteries were recalled, there were plenty of other batteries from other vendors having problems, hence Apple didn't stand out. In contrast, the iPhone 4 problems are obviously Apple's alone.

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  7. smart move by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason I have passed on ALL of the iPhones so far is I don't buy into the hype, not to mention a LOCKED OS. Hey, if you just pick up a phone to use it, then perhaps the iPhone is for you, but, if you are a "tinker" type, I don't see how the iPhone would be good. Even given all of the faults with WinMobile, at least you can hack it til the cows come home. The way I look at it is it is MY phone, and I'll screw around with it how I want to. I don't like "locked" phones. My current phone, HTC Rhodium (Tilt2) never even had the stock OS fired up. I told the guy at the at&t store that I would set it up later (since I already had a Touch Pro). Took it home, unlocked it, wiped out the stock OS and put one from XDA-Developers on it and tweaked it exactly how I wanted. Job's & Company have a MAJOR public relations nightmare on their hands, and a golden opportunity for some of their competitors to run ads that exploit this problem.

  8. Three reasons why they have kept silent by BodeNGE · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Design: Only an ignorant fool would put an external, metal antenna on a phone. Not only does nobody do this, nobody has ever done this in the history of mobile phones. Even the whip antennas of the 80's were coated in plastic for the very reason that a direct connection changes the electrical length of the antenna (and hence the frequencies that it can transmit and receive. When you are part of the antenna you radiate too.
    Cannot admit: iPhone4 irradiates you when you hold it wrong. It may appear that the iPhone4 gives you cancer.

    Manufacturing: There may be a manufacturing component to it as well. We know they were rushed out the door without even time for the touchscreen bonding glue to dry. Clearly the Foxconn QA was not followed. If an engineer leaves a thumbprint on an internal antenna it detunes it. Imagine what a rushed assembly with leaky glue would do to the tuning characteristics.
    Cannot admit: Apply don't pay their manufacturers enough and circumvent their own QA guidelines to rush product to market. They may appear like greedy bastards.

    AT&T: The drop problem is also in a small, small part down to AT&T's 3G network topology. Nowhere near as bad as the old iPhone problem of congesting the signalling channels, this is simply due to the fact that 3G signals are way more sensitive to received signal strength. When you hold it the wrong way not only does the handset not heat the base station well (showing fewer bars on the phone) but it is the network that cannot hear the iPhone that causes the call drops as your entire hand and arm are radiating instead of the antenna. When you broadly detune the antenna with your hand the lower powered 3G signal is simply too feint and distorted to be heard by the base station. It does explain why the locations where the issues appear are random and seemingly not related in all cases to the downlink signal strength shown on the handset. RF signals are like that.
    Cannot admit: The issue clearly isn't all to do with AT&T and they blamed them the last time with the 3GS.

  9. CNet estimates that a A recall would cost them by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    CNet estimates that a A recall would cost them $1.5B

    It would cost them a LOT more than that. If the letter A were recalled, they'd be Pple Corportion.

    And they'd sell iPds instead of iPads. Their stock symbol would have to change from AAPL to PL - but that's taken, and so is PPL. PPLE is available, but pple.com is owned by a squatter.

    And it's not just Apple. If the letter A were recalled:

    1. Canada becomes Cnd.
    2. The planet Mrs? I though women were from Venus!
    3. Caucasian sounds kind of dirty when you're a kid - but nowhere near as bad as Cucsin.
    4. Barack Obama becoms Brck Obm
    5. Barbara becomes Brbr (sounds more like an abbreviation for bathroom break).
    6. The United States of America becomes United Sttes of Meric.
    7. email becoms emil - sounds french
    8. spam is no longer spam
    9. who wants to ride in an uto, a trin, or a plne - but a bot sounds fun
    10. when you die, you're ded, and they hold a wke to celebrte.
    11. neither utumn nor fll sound like a season
    12. Does Pril sound like a month? How about My? Ugust sounds windy instead of hot.

    About the only good thing about recalling the letter a is that vaginas stay vgins - no matter how many times they're poked! Hmmm, on second thought, maybe it's worth 1.5 billion.

  10. Apple joins Sony in the do-not-buy list by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have to support hundreds of iMacs and MacBooks at work, and I've had to call in tons of warranty repairs the last couple years (easily 10x than from our pool of HP and Dell machines). I thought maybe apple was ditching quality on the macs in favor of the iPhone, iPod, because of iTunes $$$, but it seems they're just neglecting quality across the board. It doesn't "just work" anymore; it just looks pretty (until the style looks outdated).