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New Chinese Rule Requires Real Names Online

crimeandpunishment writes "According to a human rights group, a leading Chinese Internet regulator is calling for new rules requiring people to use their real names online and when buying mobile phones. New York-based 'Human Rights in China' says it has obtained the complete text of a speech Wang Chen, director of the State Council Information Office, made in April, and they quote him as saying 'We will make the Internet real name system a reality as soon as possible.'"

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  1. It's being done in the US too by SquarePixel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    new rules requiring people to use their real names -- when buying mobile phones

    Just like Chinese, this is required by Apple too. They say it's so that you cannot buy multiple phones, but you still are required to give them your real name when you want to buy a phone. You are only allowed to buy a device with a credit card and they will record your name and phone IMEI.

    The trend in the US seems to be going strongly towards using real names too. Theres Facebook and there just was that Blizzard Forum incident. So it's not really nothing new, but it is just an another "china and communism is bad"-story when pretty much the same is done in the US.

    1. Re:It's being done in the US too by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but it is just an another "china and communism is bad"-story when pretty much the same is done in the US.

      Regardless, two wrongs still don't make a right.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    2. Re:It's being done in the US too by Trufagus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's not the same thing as what's being done in the US.

      You might have to use your name to buy a cell phone here, but you don't have to use your name online. Individual websites requiring the use of real names is a totally different thing then the gov't requiring it. Imagine how people would react if the U.S. gov't said everyone must use their real names online!

      As well, using my real name is not dangerous here, whereas in China you have a reason to not use your real name. I think it is pretty obvious that the government is proposing this to better control people and what they write online.

      I think it would be a great thing if the citizens of China could enjoy freedom of expression and freedom from censorship online. Unfortunately, this appears quite unlikely.

    3. Re:It's being done in the US too by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "but it is just an another "china and communism is bad"-story when pretty much the same is done in the US."

      But its not being implemented at the behest of the US Government. Apparently, its not in China either, yet, but; the comments by this Wang Chen of the State Council Information Office would appear to indicate that it will be, very soon. I do not have to (and I do not) use Apple products or Facebook, and I have access to all the digital services I need. The policies of those services are not governmental policies. Big difference that you seem to be ignoring.

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    4. Re:It's being done in the US too by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They say it's so that you cannot buy multiple phones

      I remember that whopper. It's got to be up there with the most transparent lies ever told by a major corporation.

      "You can't buy an iPhone with cash because we're worried that we'll sell too many of them".

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    5. Re:It's being done in the US too by countertrolling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real wrong is our failure to resist these encroachments. It might not be expected of the Chinese, but the Americans... WTF! It's been almost 40 years since people have made any real attempt to alter government/corporate policy. Now they only complain if their favorite TV show is canceled.

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      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    6. Re:It's being done in the US too by trapnest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to be under the impression that not putting your name online will prevent anyone from finding it.

    7. Re:It's being done in the US too by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but it's contaminated with lead and diethylene glycol.

    8. Re:It's being done in the US too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are plenty of other people that you should fear. I think that it's Dateline that ran all those child predator expose's - if you're young and female, and the predator can get your name and location, they'll come flocking to your door. Hell, if you're young and MALE, a different predator will come to your door, too. Then, there are the predators who prefer the more mature females.

      Oh, please. Even leaving aside the unpleasant truth that most child abusers are the child's own close acquaintances, not strangers at all, child abuse is simply completely irrelevant to the issue of real names. Merely putting a child's name out there does not put them at risk; the predator has to groom the child personally and persuade him/her to agree to a meeting. And he does not have to know the child's real name at any point; he can groom "SparklyUnicorn521" just as easily as "Jane Smith".

      Alright, let's forget about sex predators.

      Good idea.

      How about more "normal" thieves, muggers, and robbers.

      How are they normal? Do you live in some kind of crime-ridden hellhole? Certainly it would be unwise to make a public posting online stating your exact address and details of when your home will be unoccupied, but I don't quite see how using your real name makes you any more likely to be targeted.

      Muggers, in particular, are a ridiculous thing to bring up. They are petty opportunists; they will try to take your wallet and your phone if they catch you walking alone down a dark street in a bad part of town, but I cannot conceive of any scenario where someone will spot your real name online and say "hey, I'm going to hunt this person down and mug him!"

      But, you MIGHT come to the attention of some kid who needs to impress his gang, so he decides to come to your house and kill you.

      What the fuck are you smoking?! What kind of lawless dystopia do you live in where people search the Internet for strangers' names and then randomly go and murder them?

      Oh - don't forget. The clown(s) who show up to take you out will probably see your wife and kids, and use them for amusement after they knock you off.

      You are clearly severely mentally disturbed. Please seek professional help before you do something you regret.

      BTW, while I'm anonymous today, I have posted things on the Internet under my real name many times. So far the number of times I have been murdered and my wife and children raped is precisely zero.

      Seriously, get help.

    9. Re:It's being done in the US too by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "But its not being implemented at the behest of the US Government. Apparently, its not in China either, yet"

      Indeed!
      The headline claims: "New Chinese Rule Requires Real Names Online"
      The first line of the summary says: "...a leading Chinese Internet regulator is calling for new rules requiring people to use their real names online".

      So which is it? - Required, or someone thinks it should be required?

      I know China censor their net but I'm sick and tired of this sort of journalistic hyperbole. It happens with everything, read any story on the Aussie internet and it sounds like I'm living in NK, except in reality none of what Conroy is "calling for" has been implemented and it will probably stay that way.

      Vigillance is a GoodThingTM but the bullshit tsumami that occurs every time some random official opens their mouth is fucking childish.

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    10. Re:It's being done in the US too by Amarantine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, to prevent the guy in front of you from buying all the iPads and reselling them on eBay for 200%. If Apple didn't do this, you'd be complaining that they made it impossible to buy an iPad because eBay-traders would buy them all. Apple can never do things right. Oh, and this policy has been lifted, now the initial demand has levelled off and availability is no longer a problem.

    11. Re:It's being done in the US too by WNight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are many non-intrusive ways to limit people purchasing the entire stock - such as a simple rule of one purchase per time through the line, or one every fifteen minutes.

      And no, I at least wouldn't be complaining. I'd be laughing that their over-hyped, artificially short-supplied launch strategy bit them in the ass. Apple intentionally cultivates this hype among the true believers that would lead to someone standing in line for days or paying a huge premium for early access so they have only themselves to blame for having to enact anti-scalping rules to deal with it. The users have themselves to blame for being stuck with AT&T just to better enable Apple's surprise release, etc.

  2. Blizzard? by scumfuker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that you?

  3. Not actually done, just a proposal by Meshach · · Score: 4, Informative
    From TFA:

    A leading Chinese Internet regulator has vowed to reduce anonymity in China's portion of cyberspace, calling for new rules to require people to use their real names when buying a mobile phone or going online, according to a human rights group

    It looks like some people want that to be the law, not that it is the law.

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    "Maybe this world is another planet's hell"
    Aldous Huxley
  4. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by SquarePixel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Any guess on how many people share the name "Wang Chen" in all of China? Chances are most people could use their real name and still remain relatively anonymous.

    Uh, you are talking about "westernized" names. They're quite different to their real names. Also, a lot of Asian countries tend to shorten their names in casual usage and only use the real long name in official situations. For example Thai people have really long names, but casually everyone shortens it to the first 3-4 letters.

  5. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any guess on how many people share the name "Wang Chen" in all of China? Chances are most people could use their real name and still remain relatively anonymous.

    Certain pieces of information are key nodes that link other clusters of information. You're right in so far as a name itself may not be unique and if given nothing but that piece of information, it'd be hard to single out and individual. But real names are very rarely isolated like that. There is usually a entire clusters of information around a name. And this rule would simply ensure that those clusters stay attached to any given individual (or at least - harder to isolate).

  6. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by LambdaWolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every child born will also be assigned a permanent unique sequential code, in the form of a UUID, including a series of digits that represent the time of birth/registration, and a series of digits that represent the locality of birth, as well as a sequential serial number.

    And then all the kids with 6-digit UUIDs will scoff at the newcomers with 7-digit UUIDs...

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    "This algorithm runs in constant time. Come on, 2,147,483,648 is a constant..."
  7. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by EdIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every name assigned to a child must be approved by the government

    This is already true. I forgot where the link to the article, but China restricts names in several ways. The most prominent being that it has to be able to be typed on a keyboard and entered into a database. My understanding is that only a fraction of the Chinese characters are represented in operating systems. Baby names are limited to that fraction.

  8. Re:Why do you need to be anonymous at all? by inviolet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although I never agreed with totality control, from sometime ago to this date, I started to change my mind about anonymous everything. I really started to suspect that the most interested parties are criminals. Well, as Google said, if you don't have anything to hide, why are you so afraid of not being anonymous at all? I can't see the point.

    Because sometimes, society is mistaken about what it considers to be wrong. In that situation, which in my opinion is very very common, privacy allows you to act morally.

    Recent examples come to mind:

    • Be a Catholic in England
    • Be a Protestant in England
    • Be an atheist in many countries
    • Spank your kids
    • Teach your kids evolution
    • Be gay
    • Be Jewish in Mexico or Germany
    • Discuss any of that stuff on the internet
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    FATMOUSE + YOU = FATMOUSE
  9. Bit late now by EEPROMS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I the only one who sees the weirdness in how people are reacting to the Chinese removing anonymity when western countries have been doing this for years now without so much as a "WTF!!". For example in Italy you cant even walk into a cafe now and go on the internet without some type of ID. Here in Australia if one buys a mobile phone sim card you have to contact the telco and confirm your name and address before they will even let you make calls. This whole thing reminds me of a sad but true saying

    While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.- Lenin (1870 - 1924)

  10. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by victorhooi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    heya,

    Actually, the largest religion isn't Buddhism (or Taoism), per se, because they aren't really practiced as a "religion", as such.

    Most Chinese just have a mix of weird cultural superstitious, that get passed on in the family. They believe in a heaven (celestial court), and various Gods/deities/ghosts etc, but usually in a very general sense. This is something of a stereotype, but often they'll just pray in the hopes that their kids will get good marks at school, or they'll earn good money etc. They don't really mind/care much about the history behind it, or the reasons for it.

    Even the way they practice Buddhism is more like just a collection of superstitions, or "thought systems"/"cultural practicses" (as the Wikipedia article refers to it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China)

    Very few Chinese people/family friends I know actually know much about the religion itself. Ironically, I'm Anglican, and I sometimes seem to know more about their faiths (from an academic point of view) than many of the practitioners do. Often, I've pointed out the reasons they're doing something, or they history behind something, and they'll be like...oh....we've just always done it because our parents did.

    And officially, the Communists/CCP hate religion anyway, although this has relaxed somewhat.

    Cheers,
    Victor

  11. Re:Does this really do a lot of good? by slick7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet there'll be a lot of names like Yin Dao Yan, Qian Lie Xie, Wei Shen Jing, and Ji Ba Mao.

    There are so many Wings and Wongs in China, it is very likely to Wing a Wong number.
    It had to be said.

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    The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
  12. Re:Why do you need to be anonymous at all? by NetSettler · · Score: 4, Informative
    • It may also be necessary for the personal safety of people who are being stalked, doing whistleblowing, or even just dating and wanting to chat without committing.
    • It can be necessary to express any unpopular political opinion. Note that popular opinions require no protection but that if we assume that what's popular never changes we can just have one vote and then be done and never vote again. All political change begins as a minority viewpoint. For example, labor organization is more easily suppressed if one can keep the organization from ever happening. The movement to stop a war might start small.
    • For some public figures, it allows the freedom to relax and speak without having their political motives challenged or their well-known credentials inappropriately applied since their voice is not as loud as when it is their well-known self, and since anonymous speech is evaluated for the worth of the statement rather than for who said it.
    • It allows the underappreciated option of having an opinion you might later want to change without being quoted for life.
    • It allows one to perform an act like shopping without having marketers of the future be able to log the action as a sign of potential interest.
    • On juries (and in paper review for refereed scientific and technical journals, for that matter), anonymous voting is considered a way of encouraging frankness and honesty.
    • In voting for politicians and political initiatives, it is considered a way to assure that votes are hard to buy or force because compliance with an improper promise or attempted coercion is not possible to track.
    • Certain people will not approach a help desk for things like medical care, contemplating suicide, or other issues if they don't believe it's anonymous.
    • Some people are just shy and prefer to speak anonymously.
    • Some religions teach that it's more humble to contribute money, time, energy, etc.) anonymously, not drawing attention to self.
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    Kent M Pitman
    Philosopher, Technologist, Writer

  13. Everybody Wang Chen tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everybody Wang Chen tonight
    Everybody have fun tonight.

    (repeat)

    This is going to be so good. The lyrics for the song are just so inspiring in the face of Wang Chen's perspective. I think we can all be Wang Chen tonight. I'm going to be Wang Chen for everything I do online.

    Yours,

    Wang Chen.

  14. Re:On par with USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Asking Slashdot for information on wiretaps is like asking Rush Limbaugh for information on Obama's policies, or asking Al Gore for information on climate science. The results may be amusing, but I hope you don't expect them to bear any resemblance to reality.

  15. Re:Why do you need to be anonymous at all? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are those of us that think that while children don't necessarily understand logical arguments or "sanctions", they are hardwired (like every other animal) to understand pain.

    I define spanking as causing mild temporary pain without tissue damage. Anything that causes visible damage is "beating" them and not "spanking" them.

    It should also be used extremely sparingly and only when other punishments have failed to control their behaviour - that way the other punishments are reinforced and become effective on their own without the need to deploy spanking, because they know what comes next.

    In short, spanking is a useful means of defining an absolute frame of reference for other punishment. I've spanked my daughter precisely once in her life, only after the usual punishment (the "naughty corner") was not effective, and explained why. Since then, standard punishments have always been adequate. If I'd left it, what then? She would have learned that the "naughty corner" was an ineffective sanction with no teeth and started to behave just as she chose.

    I'm aware that some people take it too far. I would go so far as to suggest that these people aren't even considering the morals of the act. Many of them are just being violent with them because they find the immature behaviour of children annoying.

    Banning or stigmatizing the act does nothing but remove a useful disciplinary tool from responsible parents, or make them feel guilty about disciplining their kids. The parents who are beating their kids outside of a disciplinary framework didn't care whether it was moral or not anyway.