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Wine 1.2 Released
David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."
except the 1 I usually want to run
I keep fooling myself into thinking that software X is going to run on wine, then I usually end up wasting a lot of time trying to get it to run while borking every other program that it used to run
Apart from running pretty much any Windows application
Except the one you want to run requires about 5 hours of fucking around with Wine only to get about 70% of the functionality working and only 40% of the performance despite having being listed as GOLD PLATINUM UNOBTAINIUM in the wine-db. Hurray!
Then it might be time to change banks.
I know I would if my bank forced me to use IE.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
Random MS Employee that actually keeps up with GNU/Linux stuff: "Wow, Wine 1.2 was released today."
Ballmer: "The fuck does that do?"
Employee: "Allows you to run Windows programs on GNU/Linux."
Ballmer: (throws chair): "WHAT? Did they steal our shit or something?"
Employee: "No, this is a clean reverse engineer of Windows."
Ballmer: (throws another chair) "Is that fucking legal?"
Employee: "There's not much we can do about it..."
Ballmer: "Okay, fuck. Well, at least go out and post FUD and outright lies about it on tech news sites so people will think it's horrible so they'll continue to buy and use our shitty, hacked-together, worthless OS. We'll pay you extra if you succeed in fooling a lot of people."
Employee: "We're on it!"
No. From what I've seen, Wine has acquired more and more users recently. You can clearly see that based on forum activity or even commit numbers.
Virtual Machines are slow, no matter what. They require a windows license and they suck when it comes to D3D and even OpenGL. Wine fixes that. It is POSIX-compatible, AFAIK, and it is an excellent study case. It helps people migrate to differet OS/es and it doesn't eat up half your RAM just to launch a crapload of services that come in your typical Windows installation. I've tried both things: VMs and Wine. Once I saw how faster Wine was, and how it never crashed my system, in contrast to the many BSODs I got with games in the VM (direct accelaration enabled), I never looked back.
Also, I like being able to quirk with Wine's code. If I don't like something in an app, I debug it and change Wine to have fun. I can't do that in a VM unless I recompile some core libs (or port Wine's to Windows), but that would be stupid.
Have you heard about SoylentNews?
Gosh, you're SO L33T!
Why do you think the rest of us care?
I know its bad to feed the trolls but here's a thought...
My experience has shown me that I don't need Windows apps as much as I though I needed them, I found better alternatives and while Wine is great at some point you just have to sit back and wonder, "Is it worth it?"
I went through updates which broke previously working applications, I went through configuration edit after edit for each application to get things working and at one point just decided to look for a better way. Don't get me wrong Wine is great for beginning Linux but it really shows the flaws in many Windows programs and with closed source, you can stumble onto one at random even if you're coding to established API for compatibility.
So why my comment? I commented because I felt it showed that Wine helps break the reliance on Windows applications, it's great for transition but not for long haul requirements and I'm not commenting for the sake of commenting, a review of my account can attest to that. You however seem to enjoy placing your finger up your rear trying to tickle the back of your throat hoping something worthwhile will eventually come out of your mouth.
Too bad it is a miss today for you but thankfully, I'm at least not an anonymous coward like you.
No they didn't. They said it was impossible without rewriting other portions of the OS, and really why should they back port DirectX 10 to such an ancient OS. Here's your backport: Spend the $50 to upgrade every 8 years like I did.
As we're referring to IE, the antecedent of your proposition is false therefore the consequent does not apply.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Anyone expecting their 20-year-old legacy system to run on a modern OS is insane. It may be desirable, but you have to accept that if you cling to a legacy system you will have to deal with the increasing support costs for it.
"16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
Win7 is faster, more scalable, more stable, MUCH less bug ridden, better security, and supports new tech...than XP
By your rankings, Linux must be the worst OS out there and Windows ME rules with an iron fist.
That's great for you and all, but almost every PC game that has ever been released is a testament to why Wine is still necessary (even if not necessary for some).
My words only express my experience, nothing more and nothing less.
I encourage those whom play Windows games to use Wine, to get Crossover Games and tell the game publishers, if you have a problem, call it in to support, go to their forums, make a little bit of noise showing your support for the game and your platform of choice, just don't be insane about it.
By all means use the tools available and work to make them better, give your feedback and help support those who work to support your gaming. Don't think that just because you've switched that you can't continue to enjoy your computer as you've done in the past.
And while it may not be perfect, if you're adamant about it and help others on official forums, you show that the market can be viable and that the risk for exploring it can be negligible especially given our normal distribution methods for software over the Internet.
Hmm, wasn't Quickbooks the one with the ugly DRM that infected the master boot record? Small wonder it's taking so long to port...
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
scalable how? more stable how? for every bug it fixed, it probably added another at the very least. what new tech does xp not support? most of that is drivers anyway.
It appears your point is that IE doesn't work in the first place. In that case, does IE fail on Wine in the same ways that it fails on Windows?
Why do people always have to ruin YouTube videos with shitty music? As much as I hate WMG and the other major labels, they are doing good by removing the crappy music from what may very well be a good YouTube video.
Wine, and in particular Wine fanboys, sell it as a sure fire way to run Windows apps on Linux. They happily point to success stories and say "See you can ditch Windows, just run your stuff in Wine! Look how well Office runs!" People then try it and discover three things:
1) It is complex as all get out. You don't just go and start Wine and run a Windows installer to put your application on. No, it is way fucking complex in many cases. Even people familiar with virtualization are amazed at how complex it gets.
2) It works poorly in many cases. A "working" app in Wine speak seems to mean "runs". It may have massive glitches. Most people take working to mean "Works fully with some minor glitches." Even so of the top apps have some rather noticeable glitches.
3) Plenty of stuff doesn't work at all, and there's no readily apparent reason. It just fails.
For example I was trying to move to a Linux desktop at work, to learn more about Linux and its working in our setup. However, being work, I had to be able to get everything done. So I tried Linux AV software and it was crap, couldn't do what I needed to do. I went and asked our Linux head if he'd be willing to help see if Wine could run Sony Vegas. He said sure. After 3 days of fairly intense work and research, he said no, he could find no way to make it run. He was pretty good too, he didn't blow this off he really tried.
So that's why people get mad. Wine shouldn't be marketed as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine is more of an experimental program that can help some Windows software run sometimes. If you want to get your hands dirty and mess around with some complex stuff, maybe it can make things happen. However it is not a friendly compatibility layer that you install and suddenly Windows apps can be run just like on Windows with ease.
People get mad because it is oversold, and because it is something they want. They hear "Windows on Linux," and get all excited. They can use Linux now and not have to sacrifice their computer experience. Then they try it and find no, they can't actually and get real angry.
This sounds exactly like a Linux apologist from 5 to 10 years ago.
Windows is finally catching up!
Some of us wasn't appologetical about it.
I've been a linux-only user since 1999. In that time, I've gone from KDE 1.X to 4.X (Okay, 4.x is still crap, 3.x was better :-). I've been through a huge load of linux distros (slack, debian, redhat, suse, mandrake, ubuntu, etc).
I don't regret it. I have a system I understand. I've learned way more about how computers and the internet works, than I would have if I had stayed with windows.
There certainly are things in Linux that aren't entirely up to scratch, even to this day. Sound is one of them. While there is plenty of options, they all suck in different and all non-interesting ways.
And then of course there is the problem of games. While there does exist a few, it is rather annoying to have to go through hoops with wine to get the games to run properly.
But would I switch back? I think not. The first thing I do when my computer is booted is to fire up a couple of xterms, since that's where I do most of my stuff. I can understand that not everyone wants be fiddling around in "the terminal" all the time, but that's where I feel at home. :-)
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There is nothing there that couldn't have been done in XP SP4 and almost all of that is something that was intentionally made deficient to increase sales of the new product. For example, there is a hack to install the new direct x versions on XP because there is no technical reason they can't run with full features.
"Windows 7 (and Vista?)"
If you are going to pretend those are different OS then I'm not sure we can even have a conversation.
Get an account with a real bank and keep the crappy account. Deposit checks and then transfer out to your real bank, transfer in when you need cash (or just use your debit).
In the modern world where you can use your debit card pretty much anywhere for any purchase of 50 cents or more with no fees how often do you really need cash? For that matter, unless you are running a business, how often do you receive cash and checks? Or really cash, you can mail check deposits.
If you absolutely have to have a physical presence I'd couple it with a real account and use it for temporary funds holding. Maybe attach it to an all digital account.
I really can't see any point in this anymore, it takes forever to get the configuration correct to run crud like notepad.exe.
How many years has it been since you've tried running Wine?!
I mean, sheesh, sure, it doesn't run anything and everything. But the project certainly made leaps and bounds in compatibility and what *can* be run.
I am not devoid of humor.