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Windows Phone 7 Hits Technical Preview Milestone

suraj.sun writes "Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 7 mobile operating system has today reached its biggest milestone yet, with a technical preview announced placing the OS on the 'home stretch' to launch. 'We are certainly not done yet — but the craftsmen (and women) of our team have signed off that our software is now ready for the hands-on everyday use of a broad set of consumers around the world — and we're looking forward to their feedback in the coming weeks, so that we can finish the best Windows Phone release ever together,' Terry Myerson, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President of Windows Phone Engineering, wrote tonight." There's coverage around the net including CNet, NeoWin and Engadget.

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  1. Nice by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I foresee that this will be like Vista, Win7, or Zune. It's all hyped up by Microsoft's marketing department where advertising money is no object, and a few people buy it, and whammo! Kludgy, weird user interface that is harder to use than what they had out ten years ago (e.g. Win CE).

    1. Re:Nice by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, the Zune could've been a success had MS not screwed it up. The hardware was actually quite good and the few people I know that owned them really liked them.

    2. Re:Nice by GF678 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well it would have been nice if Microsoft bothered to sell the Zune overseas, such as here in Australia. But they didn't. Why they didn't is an exercise left up to those who give a shit. Not my problem if Microsoft didn't think seriously enough about their product to warrant worldwide competition with the iPod.

  2. My question is... by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this a release that, purely on quality/merit (let's not talk about mindshare or openness -- presumably both are lost causes), is at all competitive with the alternatives?

    In a sense it's amazing to me, given how much longer Microsoft's been trying to get something done in the Mobile arena, that they have been completely unable to gain any traction so far. Were Windows CE etc. trying too hard to be compatible with Desktop Windows? I don't know, but it's baffling that a company with so much of a headstart over would now be its chief competitors managed so little.

    It's hard to point to openness as the reason with Apple's walled garden as a ready counterpoint, but what did go wrong?

    1. Re:My question is... by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I had a Win CE device, and the problem was that the Desktop paradigm doesn't really translate very well to mobile devices. Pushing it to the netbooks is a bit of a stretch, but by the time you get to PDAs and mobile phones it completely breaks down. The iPhone and Android UIs work a lot better for screens that size, I think that they might even translate up to around about the netbook range without a whole lot of trouble, but then again trying to go beyond that point would likely cause trouble in that they're meant for small devices.

    2. Re:My question is... by CODiNE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's hard to point to openness as the reason with Apple's walled garden as a ready counterpoint, but what did go wrong?

      One part may be what I recently noticed with my wife and her iPad. You see she immediately wanted one instead of a laptop, and she's immensely more satisfied with it than her previous (more powerful) laptop. Here's one reason why iOS is successful.

      She can install apps on her own. Previously I'd tried to train her on this... you find the download link on the website (not always easy). You go to the downloads folder (she forgets where it is). You locate the file you just downloaded (forgot what it's name was, or the name doesn't match the app). Double-click it to get the disk image open (the what?) then either drag and drop the app on the Applications folder OR run the Installer if it's set up that way (huh?)

      Now she just goes to the store with one tap. Hits the little search button, types draw or whatever... checks out the apps, and clicks Install. It's done.

      I believe the mobile app stores such as Apple's and the Android store (there is one on the phone right?) significantly lower the barrier of entry to trying out new apps on the device. For us downloading and installing are simple as can be, but to a non-techie it's just a fog of gibberish and confusing steps. Most people don't install ANY new apps on their computers, it takes a "power user" to download and install Google Earth. You hear people like that say "I hate computers" but really it's the basic file system management and app installation process they can't grok.

      So yes, openness and the "walled garden" is a significant part of Apple and Google's success. It's not so much a "cool factor" as it is a eureka! moment to people when they too can try new things on their device. The model of downloading an app on the computer, plugging in a phone and then using some sort of installer process is a bit overwhelming for the majority of people. Simplifying the phones has empowered the common user.

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  3. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, it's just Outlook. (Files can synch.) You get a wierd error with 64-bit activesync with 64-bit office; it doesn't work!

  4. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by SquarePixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft will be enforcing content restrictions on Windows Phone 7 applications, by preventing users from sideloading applications as they previously had done with Windows Mobile. This results in all applications having to pass through the Windows Phone Marketplace where content restrictions apply.[34][35] Users are free to sync whatever content they want to their phone or view any website from the web browser.

    Microsoft said that applications containing pornography will be prevented from being installed on Windows Phone 7, as well as applications containing images that fit the definition of "sexually suggestive". Violence and all nudity will be censored from apps. Suggestions or depictions of prostitution, sexual fetishes, or basically anything that "a reasonable person would consider to be adult or borderline adult content" will be forbidden from Windows Phone 7 apps.

    Microsoft elaborated that it would disallow apps containing "images that reveal nipples, genitals, buttocks, or pubic hair".

    When will the US understand that sex is not bad, evil or something that should be banned from adults? Of course, the games with violence and killing will be allowed, but no, not such unharmful and natural thing like nudity or sex.

  5. Never a head start by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know, but it's baffling that a company with so much of a headstart over would now be its chief competitors managed so little.

    The thing is, they never had a head start at all - because they were always going down a different path. It's not so much compatibility with Desktop WIndows, as it was reliance on a stylus and a physical keyboard.

    Android and iOS were built from the ground up to make use of touch. Neither iOS or Android (to some extent) are reliant even on a physical keyboard, though one can be present... for small mobile devices that simply is a better path, and one Microsoft never chose to explore.

    So it's not so much Desktop compatibility, as it is trying to simply move the existing UI conventions to mobile (unless that is what you meant by compatibility).

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    1. Re:Never a head start by samkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android and iOS were built from the ground up to make use of touch.

      Every prototype of Android device looked like a Blackberry until the iPhone came out. At that point Android bolted on their multi-touch look and feel... there's no "ground up" design relating to touch in either the iPhone or Android. The core OS just handles files, memory, network, power, processes, etc. Apple could replace UIKit eventing with some keyboard/stylus-based input API and replace a small fraction of iOS.

      To get it right takes a lot more than the touch UI being right. It takes an entire infrastructure to make the device disappear and become the task. Despite Microsoft's size, they've never been an infrastructure company so it'll be a challenge.

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    2. Re:Never a head start by tayhimself · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure why you couldn't google it, but none of the google images show devices looking anything like iPhones. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Android+prototypes

  6. Cool - Does It... by filesiteguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...run Linux? :)

  7. Sex Everywhere Already by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When will the US understand that sex is not bad, evil or something that should be banned from adults?

    When will Slashdot users understand that not everyone should be required to sell sex if they do not wish to?

    Anyone can get porn onto mobile devices via web applications. If you look around you'll find that the porn industry seems to have figured out how to sell sex over web interfaces quite well to date.

    It's not a ban, it's just a choice not to sell it through a corporate channel with a brand to maintain.

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    1. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pornography is not created as "art". Its sole purpose is for people to look at it and then self-abuse themselves into a climax. That is not sex. Sex requires two people.

      Because multiple people never watch pornography together, right?

      It's fine that you prefer to have a puritanical worldview, but let's not pretend it's held by everyone or in some way rationally based.

    2. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by SquarePixel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its sole purpose is for people to look at it and then self-abuse themselves into a climax.

      Self-abuse? Why be so serious about having a little bit of fun with yourself? You only life once and you might just as well enjoy some beautiful ladies (or men, if you're a woman) and do what obviously is fun and feels good.

      You know, women do it too. What about phone sex? That's two people, but you just do it to pleasure yourself and not to have babies. Would you call that self-abuse too?

    3. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not a ban, it's just a choice not to sell it through a corporate channel with a brand to maintain.

      Quote the GP:

      Microsoft said that applications containing pornography will be prevented from being installed on Windows Phone 7, as well as applications containing images that fit the definition of "sexually suggestive". Violence and all nudity will be censored from apps. Suggestions or depictions of prostitution, sexual fetishes, or basically anything that "a reasonable person would consider to be adult or borderline adult content" will be forbidden from Windows Phone 7 apps.

      Yes, it's Microsoft's choice to shoot themselves in the foot if they wish. I, for one, will NOT buy a phone that limits MY choices. If I want porn on my phone, I'll put porn on my phone, and nobody that sells a phone with built in censorship will sell one to me; they're shit out of luck.

    4. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Its sole purpose is for people to look at it and then self-abuse themselves into a climax.

      Abuse? I think you're doing it wrong.

    5. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by ubermiester · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What exactly is it that makes nudity so bad?

      It's not that nudity is so bad, it's what happens when kids are exposed to porn that people are concerned with. Kids have raging hormones that operate whether they are prepared for the consequences or not. And by consequences i dont mean teen pregnancy (kids who are getting some at that age are probably not downloading porn apps on their phones). The problem is that porn presents sexuality in its most mechanical form. No love, no personal relationship, just rubbing. Women are presented as easy and submissive. They do what they are told, and don't seem to need anything more than a man in the room to be ready and willing to do whatever the man wants. Young men are obviously not going to assume that all women are as slutty as the "characters" in a porn vid, but they cannot hope to understand how women actually feel about and have sex by watching porn. Parents and schools are the last places kids turn to when it comes to sex, and by the time they actually see a real nude person in their bedroom, they've probably seen thousands of digital ones there for years.

      And that's just the boys. Consider how a porno makes most girls feel. They see women doing things that the average adult would stutter to explain. Almost all of the women they see are submissive and objectified (that may be something some women are into, but they don't show the woman negotiating her contract or explaining what she will or wont do). So-called "soft" porn or skinimax flix are a little more sensitive to the female psyche, but they are less and less common. (Check out how many of these series are on vs how many websites there are dedicated to the more damaging "slutty" porn).

      I am not against images of nudity or even porn for adults (watch it myself from time to time...). But to ask with incredulity why people are so concerned with nudity is to ignore the fact that kids are NOT adults. They are not prepared to deal with the condensed and distorted view of sexuality that porn presents.

      Nudity is not the issue. It's the developing psyche of children that people are concerned with.

      PS: For the record, i am not religious at all so i am not coming at this from a moralistic point-of-view. I simply have a young daughter who's well-being is my top priority in life, so i think about this stuff a lot.

    6. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by IICV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hah! I see you've never heard of the Bechdel Test. Almost all modern media inherently promotes a surprisingly patriarchal view of women; they're either the token girl, or talking to men, or talking about men - it's basically all about the guys. Even supposed "chick flicks", despite in theory being about women, generally have female characters whose sole purpose in life is to give the lead woman someone to talk to about the lead man.

      And these are the things we show children; almost no Disney movie, for instance, will pass the test.

      Given that sort of insidious bullshit, porn is refreshingly straight to the point.

    7. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by daem0n1x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, nudity == pornography? This only shows how puritan the American mind is.

      Nudity is pretty common in arts here in Europe. Also, there are statues of naked people in every corner in every city. A boob shown on TV doesn't cause outrage like in the US, and children don't grow to be serial killers or mass rapists because of it.

      I assume Microsoft will ban sculptures like the "Manneken Pis" or "O Desterrado", and images like "The French Republic", because they show inappropriate body parts. how retarded is that?

    8. Re:Sex Everywhere Already by lonecrow · · Score: 2, Funny

      self-abuse themselves

      abuse? I think you must be doing it wrong. Maybe try slowing down.

  8. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by dmgxmichael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft ascended to supremacy because the PC was in a niche where IBM was irrelevant, and further was more important to a larger segment of the population than the segment that cared about IBM's dominance -- large computers and servers. IBM was never displaced from their market and Microsoft will never be displaced from the desktop. And now history is repeating itself. The iPhone and Android are in a niche where Microsoft, like IBM before it, is irrelevant. And honestly I haven't seen an effort to get into a market this feeble since since Atari released the Jaguar.

    This is ultimately a good thing. Microsoft can only seem to do interoperability when they don't have a monopoly. Portable devices will destroy IE's ability to ever set the tone for the web again. Considering the damage they have done to the progress of the web their fall is something to celebrate.

    And yes, scads of IE dependent corp machines will remain for years to come. The web will move on. Truth be known the inability of IE 6 to deal with highly interactive sites will be seen as a benefit by CEO's since employees won't be "playing" on the clock. That's fine though - the rest of us can move on.

  9. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Informative
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  10. "Don't bother with this disaster" by yelvington · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7-dont-bother-disaster-211?page=0,0

    There's no kind way to say it: Windows Phone 7 will be a failure. Announced to much bravado in February as the platform that would breathe life into Microsoft's mobile ambitions, Windows Phone 7 looked based on very early previews as if it might bring something new and exciting to the table. Back then, I noted that I was impressed by what I saw -- with the caveat "so far."

    No caveats now: Windows Phone 7 is a waste of time and money. It's a platform that no carrier, device maker, developer, or user should bother with. Microsoft should kill it before it ships and admit that it's out of the mobile game for good. It is supposed to ship around Christmas 2010, but anyone who gets one will prefer a lump of coal. I really mean that.

    1. Re:"Don't bother with this disaster" by benjymouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/microsoft-windows-phone-7-technical-preview-a-definitive-guide/4286?pg=8&tag=mantle_skin;content

      Windows Phone 7 is a huge departure for the smartphone group at Microsoft and takes quite a radical approach to the way people use their phones. Unlike the iPhone, Google Android, and Palm webOS, WP7 is not focused on the application experience, but is centered on helping you interact with the people you want to and complete the tasks you need to complete with apps mainly working in the background or having other technologies (like Bing Search) do better at meeting your needs without more apps.

      The current experience is amazingly stable and fluid and I am quite impressed with what they have done. It has taken some time and they were pretty much out of competing for customers for most of this year, but it looks like they will come out firing with all they have this coming holiday season.

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  11. They should drop "Windows" from the name. by aapold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And "mobile". Hell, just called it Seven.

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  12. Corporate "improvements" will kill the device... by sargeUSMC · · Score: 3, Funny

    My guess is that the thing that will kill this device (like most MS devices that have to compete in a market they haven't cornered), is the fact that by the time the management, sales, and the lawyer teams get done "improving" the device, you won't be able to do anything on it without having to pay through the nose. Repeatedly. Forever.

    So, even if the device ends up being a marvel of technology (which seems unlikely given the MS mobile paradigm), it will end up being locked behind a walled garden, which is locked up in a castle, surrounded by a moat, filled with alligators, etc. Sorry, couldn't resist a little hyperbole.

  13. Hmm by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, if they're building a phone OS at this point in the game, it better offer a paradigm shift. Otherwise, it's the Kin or at best the Zune, relegated!

    1. Re:Hmm by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think people, to some extent, are at a point where everything Microsoft doesn't hold as much sway. It used to be that Microsoft mated everything well to its OS. All of their server offerings give you Windows as the basic GUI (something I think they did TOO much of). WinCE was an attempt to do what Apple did very well, scale the basic OS down. But Apple re-wrote the GUI for the phone. WinCE looked like Windows crammed into a phone.
      That said, the hurdle is very high for Microsoft. Of late, they haven't done a lot to clear hurtles, only match them at best but with lost momentum. I contend that it's an Apple / Android world on smartphones for some time to come. Microsoft has an insatiable lust for doing what everyone else does. It looks like Windows Phone 7 will be to smartphones what Bing is to Google, Zune is to iPod.

    2. Re:Hmm by Locutus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Microsoft = drawing you in to cook you slowly"? Most consumers still have no clue but what they do have a clue about is that Apple made a phone/PDA sexy and you are _in_ if you have one. It helps too that they are easy to use and work well( except if you hold the 4 a certain way ). Android brings the easy to use UI to a plethora of devices which don't have the Apple cool factor but has the easy to use and is useful but it also brings customers to all the other hardware vendors with very little upfront costs for the OS/software.

      And those hardware vendors know what it is like in the PC and netbook segment where Microsoft is threatening them and dictating product development and marketing and they do not want any part of that. This is why Windows Phone 7 will fail. No matter how much they offer companies to sell Windows Phone 7, they will not be able to pull exclusionary and exclusive deals like they did with netbooks and PCs and because of that, there is no sexy in Windows. In the end, only Microsoft zealots will purchase Windows Phone 7 phones and a handful of business managers will dictate to staff to use only those phones "because they are a Windows shop".

      What's worst, at a time when Microsoft's investors are wondering where the growth has gone, Microsoft will have to pump hundreds of millions quarterly into just marketing this thing and it'll show up on the books. Not to mention the hundreds of millions Microsoft is probably already starting to pump into the tablet segment attempting to not only stem ARM Linux or Android based tablets but also iPad growth. I don't see the 4th quarter looking good at all for Microsoft investors. Desktop Windows, MS Office, and Windows Server will still make them billions, but once again, billions in losses and no indication of success outside of Windows will pull down the stock even further. IMO

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  14. Re:Corporate "improvements" will kill the device.. by Locutus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    while that might be true with RIM, RIM is probably quite happy to be _the_ enterprise messaging phone and the last time I looked, RIM made a good profit. Microsoft on the other hand, loses hundreds of millions annually on Windows CE based products and has since the late '90s. And there is nothing wrong with a company being good at their market and being good enough their products are _picked_ over the competition.

    Microsoft does not see things this way. They must own the market and they are willing to spend billions to do that and they have. Profits from Windows desktop based software( WIndows OS, MS Office, and Windows Server ) make up ~90% of Microsoft profits. Microsoft execs live and breath by the now infamous "Does anybody remember Windows?" statement Bill Gates made in the mid '90s when Microsoft product managers and engineers were crafting Microsoft's Java product list. That statement and the following directives from Bill and other executives turned Microsofts Java products into products whos purpose was to tie customers to Windows, not enable Microsoft to compete for customers and profits. They already had the profits from Windows and losing those profits are more important than winning new profits. IMO

    And Adobe would be a fool to put any effort, funded or not, into putting Flash on a Microsoft phone product. Microsoft may not have dissed Adobe like Apple did but their Silverlight is directly targeting Flash just as .NET was and is designed to tie vendors to Windows instead of having platform choices which Java provides.

    LoB

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  15. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by mark72005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hated Windows Mobile more than I've hated any version of Windows OSs.

    Words cannot describe what an absolute pile of garbage that was.

    I would rather have tent stakes driven through my eyeballs than spend money on a Windows OS for mobile.

    I would rather sit on a cactus doused in sulfuric acid than use Windows Mobile.

    I would rather watch The Phantom Menace on repeat for a month while covered in bees and spiders.

    I would rather have been given a writing credit for Battlefield Earth.

    I would rather be in a relationship with Mel Gibson than use Windows Mobile.

    Worst of all, I think I'd rather sign a lifetime contract to use a Kin.

  16. Re:Ah, let's just call it done by Com2Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's based on creaky old CE

    And Android is based on "creaky old Linux".

    Anything else stupid you want to say?

    WP7 is based on CE7, a continuation of CE6 which was pretty much a complete rewrite of CE. CE6 and 7 are both incredibly powerful embedded OSs with none of the limitations that previous CE versions had.

  17. Re:I kept hoping ... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think that's precisely the problem with WP7.

    For those with WM background, it kills off all the features that were liked (by some) in WM. A lot of people liked it for being extensible (apps etc) and hackable. For example, wireless hotspot functionality, just added to Android, was on WM years ago. Multitasking, copy-paste - if, in 2005, you'd tell a WM user that he would not find them on a smartphone released in two years, he'd laugh in your face. And some - like you? - even liked the stylus-driven interface, because that allows smaller controls, and therefore more information displayed on the screen at once.

    The other, broader category is people coming from Android and, especially, iPhone. Their first question will be, "so what does it do better". And I don't see anything really compelling in that department. The UI is fairly different, which may prove to be easier to use (I don't have any definite opinion, and it's hard to make any objective conclusions until you get a chance to hold and use an actual phone with it - emulator is unhelpful there), but that's about it. All other features are available elsewhere, and there are more of them, too, even in traditionally feature-limited iPhone. The only point which may affect things, and on which there is no clarity yet, is how the app landscape will look like. Which leads us to the next thing.

    WP7 development tools are good and easy to use; subjectively more so than on any other mobile platform with the possible exception of WM (it would be very surprising if that wasn't true...). But restricting it to .NET apps only, and then also to verifiable subset of CIL (meaning: no C/C++, not even compiled to CIL), means that developers are rather limited in what they can do compared to iOS or Android. Portability and cross-platform code reuse? Forget it. APIs, too - there's decent coverage of UI-related stuff, but pretty much everything else is unimpressive.

    It might be that the sheer ease and cost of development (VS Phone Express is free, and unlike Xcode you don't need a Mac - which most people don't have - to run it) will be enough to generate enough developer interest to get a good kickstart for the app store... but it's all a very big if.