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eBook Sales Outpace Hardbacks

dptalia writes "Amazon announced that for every 100 hardback books they sell, 180 eBooks are sold. In addition, they've seen sales for Kindles triple since they lowered the price. But traditionalists shouldn't panic yet — paperbacks are still the king."

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  1. You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by morphotomy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Paperbacks will never die simply because once they leave the hands of the vendor they also leave the control of the vendor.

    1. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You say that as if there's an inherent reason why ebooks can't be handled in a similar fashion.

    2. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by tftp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You say that as if there's an inherent reason why ebooks can't be handled in a similar fashion.

      ebooks can be copied by the customers at zero cost and without loss of quality, unless DRM puts some limits to that. Copying of a paper book is possible, but it costs more than the physical book, considering equipment, software and time.

    3. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The e-Ink displays work by reflected light. So they should photograph quite nicely. So why bother with scanner? Set a digital camera on a tripod, set it to take one picture per second. Click on the next button one click per second. Should be easier than scanner.

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    4. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Guys, I'm not positive on this one, but I'm going to guess that maybe - just maybe - there's an easier way to crack an EBook's DRM than physically taking pictures of the screen (via scanner OR picture) from each page. That seems about as efficient as cracking your iPod's DRM by singing your friend the song yourself.

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    5. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      DRM which is *illegal* to remove.

      To the extent its preventing illegal copying, so what? The copying is illegal, but trivial cost and effort to do without the DRM. The DRM is illegal to remove, but trivial cost and effort. Net result: with or without the DRM, the illegal copying is illegal, and trivial in cost and effort.

      Where is the benefit of the DRM?

    6. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by fredjh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have two Nooks... believe me, I did not buy them for the "lend" feature, which is nearly pointless in it's implementation...

      SOME publishers "allow" some books to be lent... ONE TIME ONLY, and ONLY for fourteen days. After that, you can not lend it anymore.

      By buying into e-books (which I've done, I had my reasons why I ultimately thought it was a good way to go), you are removing any right to resale/donate you have with other books.

      Because of this fact, cost of books should not enter the equation for determining whether to buy an e-book reader or not... most of the paperbacks I looked into cost less than a dollar more than the e-book version, and you didn't give up your rights.

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    7. Re:You cant hand an ebook to your friend... by thrawn_aj · · Score: 2, Informative

      B&N does this (lending) on the Nook right now. The LendMe feature has been well received in the community (though I haven't used it yet) judging from the Nook message board on B&N. You lend it for 14 days, it disappears from your account and appears in your friend's account and reverts after the 14 day period. Not ideal but a good start. Of course, DRM-free is what's called for.

  2. NO they do not by the_womble · · Score: 5, Insightful

    E-books outsell hardcover books at Amazon.

    Amazon is the dominant ebook seller and pushes ebooks very hard.

    Unless Amazon have nearly half the hardback market, then hardbacks still outsell Kindle ebooks in total.

  3. Who buys hardbacks? by jaymz666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I never bought hardbacks to begin with, but several hundred paperbacks adorn my shelves.

    I would much rather lose a single paperback to either forgetfulness, water damage or a friend borrowing and never returning it that losing my ereader that way.

    1. Re:Who buys hardbacks? by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I buy hardbacks when they're available but a lot of times I find that a book is only available as paperback. With a few books it even seems that while there are no new hardbacks being printed libraries are still able to get the latest edition as a hardback from somewhere, no wonder hardback sales are down when you can't even buy them most of the time...

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    2. Re:Who buys hardbacks? by linear+core · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the answer to the library question is simple. Most libraries, especially university ones, buy special library versions of the books. They typically come in hardback, printed with special ink on acid-free paper. The upside is that the book will last, supposedly, much longer, possibly a couple centuries. With no acid in the book you also won't get that nasty breakdown you do with older books that turns the pages brittle and the covers all '60s techni-color. The downside is that this edition of the book costs around $100+ for something as simple as Dean Koontz's new thriller.

      Otherwise, libraries typically buy the best quality edition of the book they can and rebind it in hardback. But there is a huge market for publishers making special library editions that aren't available to the public.

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  4. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by dylannika · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Printed books are only superior in possibly 3 ways, being able to trade them, being able to use them without electricity and being able to mark them up. Which is really only 2 ways, as anybody that enamored with them shouldn't be writing in them. Both of those can be dealt with, solar cells and fixing the DRM model.

    Why shouldn't they be writing in them? My favourite books are marked up with my thoughts and insights. When I go back and re-read the books I can see how I've changed in my understanding of the book. I totally understand that I can mark up ebooks as well, but I'd be terrified that my notes would disappear from certain devices.

  5. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by jaymz666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or water damage, or forgetting it on the bus/plane, or even damaged from something heavy landing on it.

  6. love it by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love my Kindle. I buy about one book per week. It's gotten to the point where if a book I'm looking for isn't available in ebook format, I simply don't buy that book. I want my entire library available to me anywhere I go. I don't want to haul around dead trees.

    The publishers who haven't released their books in ebook format are simply daft.

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    1. Re:love it by cervo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a nook and my problem is that a lot of the technical books either don't have e-books, or they only have the amazon topaz format. So really I have no choice but to buy the hard copy...... Hopefully this will change. From what I understand Topaz format means the publisher pays amazon a small amount to scan the book into a format which can be re-flowed but isn't very good. And a full fledged mobi pocket/ebook requires more effort from publishers to make that format.

      This is even true of "Coders at Work" which while not a technical book, would be fun to read. But I don't want to have it sitting on my shelf if I'm just going to read it once and probably not go back. Your choices are PDF or TOPAZ, none of which work that well on Nook. And even Kindle users complain about Topaz books not reflowing well. Of course if I had an iPad the PDF would probably be fine. So maybe for technical books iPad is the way forward... Still for reading fiction the Nook/Kindle/other eInk readers are pretty nice...

    2. Re:love it by pvera · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We got two Kindles here, it is just too convenient to have the books available anywhere. With two of us in the house reading so much, we already had one wall covered with bookshelves and it was starting to get out of control (those things are dust magnets). Now all of our purchased eBooks are kept in a convenient location, we don't even have to worry about losing a book because the device fails.

      Even if I forget the Kindle when I leave the house, I can use the Blackberry client and pull whatever I was reading. The flexibility I get outweighs any concern I may have had about DRM and lock-in.

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    3. Re:love it by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bought a Nook from Barnes & Noble a few weeks ago ... the $150 price of the wifi version convinced me to give it a try. I have been pleasantly surprised at how nice the reading experience has been. There were times when I caught myself reaching up to turn the page, as if I was reading an actual hardcopy book. The page transition did take a little getting used to and it is a little slow at times, but those are minor issues for me.

      I will still buy some hard back & paperback books, but for traveling and general reading eBooks are a perfect solution for me. I've also got iBooks on my iPhone and was pleased with that experience as well.

    4. Re:love it by cduffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *agree*.

      I'm a bit wary buying something I'll want to keep for decades encumbered with DRM -- my preferred publisher for technical ebooks is Manning, who makes everything available in unencrypted PDF -- but I'm thinking of moving from a house with lots of bookshelves to a tiny little condo downtown. Only the very, very best of my dead-tree library can come with me, so electronic format for future purchases Just Makes Sense.

      (I bought a Kindle DX due to the large-format screen and PDF support, but the lack of ePub support is unfortunate; if I were doing it again, I might think harder about an iRex).

    5. Re:love it by Itchyeyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree. The ability of an ebook to move to whichever device it's most convenient for me to read it on at the moment, be it my PC, iPad, Kindle, or Android phone, is really what makes the experience so worth it for me. When I first got my Kindle and the Amazon ebook selection was only around 200,000 titles, I often made exceptions when they didn't have a book I wanted and would buy the physical copy. However, the selection has increased so much since then that these days it just makes more sense for me to move on to a different title that is available in the format I want. Authors and publishers who refuse to release in a digital format are now losing about a sale to me about every other week.

    6. Re:love it by N7DR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The publishers who haven't released their books in ebook format are simply daft.

      Or possibly they have read the contract that Amazon requires them to agree to in order to put content on their devices, and decided that giving all the rights to Amazon is not something that they want to do (I exaggerate, but not by a whole lot; basically the publisher gives up essentially all control of the presentation and distribution). Perhaps they are careful rather than daft.

    7. Re:love it by kent_eh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a nook and my problem is that a lot of the technical books either don't have e-books, or they only have the amazon topaz format. So really I have no choice but to buy the hard copy...... Hopefully this will change. From what I understand Topaz format means the publisher pays amazon a small amount to scan the book into a format which can be re-flowed but isn't very good. And a full fledged mobi pocket/ebook requires more effort from publishers to make that format. This is even true of "Coders at Work" which while not a technical book, would be fun to read. But I don't want to have it sitting on my shelf if I'm just going to read it once and probably not go back. Your choices are PDF or TOPAZ, none of which work that well on Nook. And even Kindle users complain about Topaz books not reflowing well. Of course if I had an iPad the PDF would probably be fine. So maybe for technical books iPad is the way forward... Still for reading fiction the Nook/Kindle/other eInk readers are pretty nice...

      Here's the big one that keeps me from moving to e-books.
      Format wars.
      As far as I can tell, a couple of the leading readers are ties exclusively to book stores, and each sells a proprietary format.
      If there was one industry standard that all titles were available in, regardless of the supplier, then I'd be in more of a hurry to shell out for a reader.

      And, to the point of the article, I don't think I have bought a hardcover if there was a paperback available (or scheduled to be available). The words are the important part. If I can have 3 paperbacks for the cost of 1 hardcover, why wouldn't I?

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    8. Re:love it by cervo · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a format war, especially Amazon. From what I can tell it appears Barnes and Noble is willing to open up its store to other readers (see Plastic Logic). Amazon seems to want to lock users into the Kindle and their format so people have no alternatives.

      ePub is becoming a standard and it does have a standard Adobe DRM (which the nook can read). But everyone seems to be inventing their own DRM. Nook can read the standard DRM and Barnes and Noble's DRM. I don't know why it felt compelled to invent its own DRM.

      Anyway Amazon's DRM has been cracked, and there are utilities to convert from Mobi Pocket to ePub and the other way. Most of the formats are basically similar to HTML. However Topaz is different, it is a scanned image. The books are lower quality, but basically you just scan it and are done. For ePub/Mobi you actually have to publish your book in that format which is more work for the publisher. For publishers who don't want to bother at all with eBooks, they can just scan it into Topaz and sell a few extra ebooks. For the ones who are serious about eBooks, they often put it in the format and then publish both Mobi (Amazon's format) and ePub(most of the rest) with each store locking it into the various DRM. Sometimes I see the same book on Amazon, Fictionwise, Barnes and Noble.

      But still it would be good if they all agreed on one format. But it seems like with the seamless utilities, if a publisher goes to ePub or Mobi they can convert to the other format and then each store just throws its own DRM. For a consumer it sucks because you are locked in. At least with Nook you can read adobe DRM so you have some choice. But in reality most of the DRM schemes have been cracked so even Kindle users can crack the DRM and convert to Mobi.

    9. Re:love it by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Assuming these are not purely rhetorical questions...


      Are you OK with Amazon's ability to remove books from your eReader - without your consent?

      I don't love it, but if push comes to shove, arrr, there be ways to be carvin' out me fair use rights in international waters.


      How do you back up your reader?

      Option #1: Via USB.

      Option #2: Amazon (I have a Kindle) will let me download as many copies of the books I've bought that I wish to any reader associated with my account.


      When it dies, would you lose your books?

      Nope. Well, unless I had no other devices to read them on and was unwilling to buy another.


      Would you take it with you to the beach, read it in the bath? Have it go repeatedly through the X-ray machines at airports?

      Yes, yes, yes. In fact, one of the biggest draws for me is not trucking a dozen books with me on vacation.


      I lend books occasionally to friends. How do you do that with your reader?

      You generally can't, unless you have B&N's Nook, in which case you sometimes can do so in a limited way. Or unless you're willing to loan the reader.

      Personally, I hate loaning books, because I like mine in fairly pristine condition and almost everyone I've ever let borrow one has beat the shit out of it. YMMV.

      On the other hand, because both my Kindle and my wife's Kindle are associated with the same Amazon account, I can buy one copy of a book and we both can read it at the same time. That's one nice feature over dead trees, if not one that's helpful to everyone.

      Short of using physical force, I can read my paper books any time I choose, privately and without restriction.

      Sure -- but you have to plan ahead about what you want to read. In most cases, for me, that isn't at all an issue, but any time I'll be away from home for more than a couple days (vacations, business travel, etc.) it's really nice to know that anything I can easily carry everything I want to read in one hand. No more buying some trashy paperback in an airport bookstore because a flight delay has left me stuck in a strange airport overnight with nothing left to read, etc.

      Overall -- yes, e-books are a trade-off: you lose some freedom, you gain some different freedom and convienience; whether that's a good trade or not depends on you.

  7. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by Kaziganthi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some of the readers on the market allow you to "mark up" the books as well.

  8. Natural fit for travelers by Lifyre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not at all surprising especially for travelers or those who have limited space but like to read many books. As military my PRS-505 allowed me to bring and entire library with me for the size of a small notepad to Iraq as opposed to a half dozen books. The reading experience was close enough to reading a paperback that it isn't worth mentioning except for a few purists.

    The picture viewing and manga reading was also sublime. To me the pictures while grayscale looked like they could have been pencil drawn and were easily readable.

    The ONLY downside I found was the screen refresh but it wasn't much more than turning a page and easily adapted to.

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  9. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by AdamsGuitar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or, of course, the fact that some people like the way a book *feels*. The way a page feels when you turn it. While simulated page turns are nice eye candy, an e reader doesn't provide the tactile feedback of a physical object.

  10. Slightly misleading... by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if Amazon's selling 180 ebooks for every 100 hardcovers, not every one of those ebook sales was a choice between an ebook and a hardcover; many are a choice between an ebook and a paperback.

    Obviously, ebook sales are still growing, but even limiting that number to just Amazon (which is naturally pushing the Kindle), it's still a little misleading.

  11. Re:'tis a sad day by localman57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not all devices. Sony's ereader, for example, has no remote access, and can be used entirely on an un-networked pc. Oh, and by the way, Amazon, when you're coming up on the wrong side of Sony on a digital rights disucssion on Slashdot, that should tell you something.

  12. I hate the way paper feels. by localman57 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know about all this 'eReader' hub-bub, but personally, I miss the way parchment felt between your fingers. Yeah, I know everybody says the printing press brought literacy to the masses, but in my opinion, it's just another way for the Kings and Lords to control what us serfs read.

    There was a time when you traveled from village to village meeting people and looking for new parchment you hadn't read before. Now, they print off 100 of something like it's no big deal, and hey, look, now everybody in the village is all up on the "bible" all of a sudden.

    1. Re:I hate the way paper feels. by PseudonymousBraveguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, stop with your new-fangled parchment. How is the writing going to survive the aeons if it's not carved into stone?

    2. Re:I hate the way paper feels. by localman57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Carved into stone? Are you mad? When we get driven from our lands by invading barbarians, what are you going to do? Load up the ol' cart with a few hundred tablets? Good luck.

      That's why we use oral history. Sure, it eats up most of a kid's childhood teaching it to him, and he gets unhappy when we beat him for forgetting parts, but it's mobile. Plus, we can make as many copies as we want, just by speaking to other people. The StoneCarver's industry is just using this to make sure you have to pay them for every copy.

    3. Re:I hate the way paper feels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Oral history"? You "evolved" simians sure think a lot of yourselves. Why do you think anybody two generations from now is going to care what you think? Us chimps, we know how it's done. If something's important, you pee on it, so everybody knows it's yours. End of story.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go groom bugs off of my mate.

  13. Call Bradbury to Revise Farenheight 451 by tekrat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now all they have to do to ban all books is just silently delete them remotely from your kindle while you sleep. No firemen required.

    And you'll have people in small camps living like vagrants reciting books to each other.

    We've already got the wall-sized TVs blaring idiot-shows at us all day long, so banning books can't be far behind.

    Never mind Orwell, we're closer to Bradbury's reality. Oh Montag, we need you!

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  14. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Power and DRM aren't the only problems. You also have to deal with the reliability and durability of the device. I don't want to have to buy a new one every 3 to 5 years because of a blown cap, an intermittent button, faded screen or some mandatory "upgrade" to accommodate a format change.

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  15. Re:Traditionalists shouldn't panic anyways by ezbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has, but the population was all of 24 people, all of which had never picked up an ebook before.....and they read for 20 minutes, hardly a book's worth. Also, they read the same text 4 times, no one knows how the huge selection of 24 people were chosen, and no one knows how old they were as yet. So no, not really.

  16. Re:Dollars and sense by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Usually when a new best seller first comes out, it will only be available in hardcover, so it's a little worse than simply not supplying enough paperbacks, they don't make them available at all. Think of it as the early adopter fee, if you're willing to wait 6 months you can get the same book in paperback for much less. That annoys me but doesn't really piss me off, yes you have to pay extra for a new release but you get a superior product in the form of a more durable hardcover. What pisses me off is when they charge $10 (or some publishers even $15 now that the courts decided they can decide pricing) for a new release eBook. Now you're getting the exact same product as someone who pays $5 a few months later, and it seems like many books stay at that price point even after the paperback versions are available.

    Basically, if you want to see what's wrong with the eBook industry just take a look at this.

    Kindle price: 9.17
    New Hardcover: 6.70

    I shouldn't have to price shop between a purely electronic, zero marginal cost version and a hardcover version. Even assuming the problem is simply that they overestimated demand and now someone has a stock of hardcovers lying around they're trying to get rid of, the Kindle price should be adjusted to at most the lowest available hard cover price.

  17. Out of business by IflyRC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, I have books on my shelf from the 1960s. Sure, they're old and tattered but still readable. What happens if Amazon goes out of business in 30 years and my Kindle is dead? What if I buy a Nook and Barnes and Noble goes out of business in 15 years? I can't really move DRM'd stuff over to another e-reader can I? Or is that something that we'll be able to do one day? I've always liked the durability of books. Sure, they can be destroyed but they are physical "things" - not bits stored somewhere.

  18. Re:Dollars and sense by gorzek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real problem with those prices is the publishers. Publishers don't view ebooks as a revenue stream, they see them as a technology that cannibalizes physical book sales. So, they don't price ebooks with the mindset that it is basically 100% margin--instead, they're thinking "how much of the cover price on a hardback or paperback am I losing on this deal?" And that is the basis for the ebook pricing. It makes sense if all you care about is preserving your dying business model.

    Basically, publishers still don't take books seriously, and they price them as such.

  19. e-books? Er...no thanks. by fruviad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I could buy a proprietary device to read a proprietary format (which I also have to purchase) which will be obsolete in 3 years, or I can buy a physical book and still have it (perfectly readable!) in 25 years?

    Er...thanks, Amazon, but I'll pass. Give me a book made 'o paper. (May as well buy a hardcover. Paperbacks are so expensive anymore that I feel ripped off spending 8 bucks on something that disposable.)