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Cyberwarrior Shortage Threatens US Security

An anonymous reader writes "US security officials say the country's cyberdefenses are not up to the challenge. In part, it's due to a severe shortage of computer security specialists and engineers with the skills and knowledge necessary to do battle against would-be adversaries. The protection of US computer systems essentially requires an army of cyberwarriors, but the recruitment of that force is suffering. 'We don't have sufficiently bright people moving into this field to support those national security objectives as we move forward in time,' says James Gosler, a veteran cybersecurity specialist who has worked at the CIA, the National Security Agency, and the Energy Department."

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  1. Duh, they are in jail. by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The USA has a bad habit of arresting anyone with the skills and curiosity to perform such tasks. Instead of arresting and jailing "hackers" they should employ them, and then maybe we'd have enough people for the "cyberwar" they are talking about

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    1. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA has a bad habit of arresting anyone with the skills and curiosity to perform such tasks.

      ...and refusing the skilled and desperately needed service of anyone who "likes show tunes".

    2. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA has a bad habit of arresting anyone with the skills and curiosity to perform such tasks. Instead of arresting and jailing "hackers" they should employ them, and then maybe we'd have enough people for the "cyberwar" they are talking about

      It's part of a greater "war on curiosity" that's a fear-based initiative to stamp out any and all behaviors that even slightly deviate from a prescribed norm. Locking up those "evil hackers" is part of this. Another part of this is the way people are getting threatened by cops, security staff, and other jack-booted thugs for legally taking photos in public places. You also can't get a truly good chemistry set anymore, because somebody might use the glassware to make drugs. Now they complain that they can't find good personnel for something that requires initiative, individual thought and a willingness to think outside the box and see things from multiple angles.

      That serves them right. They've been systematically stamping out any kind of unapproved curiosity and exploration in the name of safety for a long time now. They've also done nothing but encourage the outsourcing trend of sending a great deal of IT talent to places like India, and you really do want US citizens to perform this kind of national security work. Then there's the general untrustworthiness of the US government as an institution, the idiocy and abuses and mismanagement that it perpetuates and the moral implications of joining up with them. That might further alienate domestic talent that would otherwise be interested. As far as I am concerned, they are reaping what they have sown.

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    3. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by arkane1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Check out the 80's and 90's. Pointing it out to you piecemeal is about like pointing out dead bodies on a battlefield.
      Unless your 18 years old, I'm sure you remember SOMETHING from those "ancient" years 10-20 years ago.

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    4. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is another possibility too you know.

      We don't have sufficiently bright people moving into this field to support those national security objectives as we move forward in timeWe don't have sufficiently bright people moving into this field to support those national security objectives as we move forward in time

      Do *you* support our national security objectives? I know I don't.

      Especially since some people seem to be doing their damnedest to make copyrights a matter of national security. I'm sorry, let me take that back. ACTA negotiations already show that copyrights are a matter of national security.

    5. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by MintOreo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. There are two main problems with this and thats that the best criminal hacker they pick up can't be better than the best "good guy" and that the pay off of cybercrime can be incomparably greater than the salary they'd be taking from the government (and every cybercriminal knows this).

      That's not to say that there are no hackers that it'd be good to reach out to, it's just an extreme risk they'd be taking.

    6. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by arkane1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing that scares me about it is, how do you interview for such a position? It really reminds me of when I was 21-22 years old and the FBI (not CIA since that was for offshore stuff at that time) would cuff you and interrogate BBS owners if they were suspected of anything more than owning a computer... even then you were suspect. I've had BBS sysops I was friends with (locally) that were ransacked by the FBI, and their items held in custody indefinitely... all over fabricated things so they could search the equipment. Of course nothing ever was pinned on any of them except for one who was an idiot and did Warez on an open system. The rest were just sysops with no illegal tendencies.

      Scared the shit out of me when I was learning C back then and saw all of the rules the feds had in effect that were mixed and mashed when it came to computer activities. A lot of archaic rules that were hypocritical of current rules and they overlapped instead of one taking precedence.

      One reason I encrypted my entire harddisk and downloaded as many docs as I could off of the 'net at that time... before the feds realized "that thar intARwEb" had info.
      This was before the browser, of course...

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    7. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The USA has a bad habit of arresting anyone with the skills and curiosity to perform such tasks." ...and refusing the skilled and desperately needed service of anyone who "likes show tunes".

      How is this off-topic? At a certain level of government, homosexuality is enough to get you excluded from the game. That means there are likely some qualified candidates who are excluded based off a fairly arbitrary criteria.

      Most especially amusing is that because they make you hide it, they use the fact that you are hiding it to show that you might be a security risk because someone could blackmail you.

      Seriously, the parent poster makes an insightful point.

    8. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is probably another possibility, but you mention none I did not already cover. I explained it thusly: Then there's the general untrustworthiness of the US government as an institution, the idiocy and abuses and mismanagement that it perpetuates and the moral implications of joining up with them.

      Copyright madness is certainly an example of this, and not the trait of an institution I want to support with my labor. I don't really understand how you wouldn't think this statement excludes copyright hysteria.

      By law I must pay my taxes or very bad things will happen, so I pay my taxes. That part is not a choice. But anywhere I have a legal choice, such as a choice of employers, I refuse to support this particular institution or join up with them in any way that is not mandatory. Maybe they were once a noble, respectable institution but they certainly don't fit that description now. I'd rather not be ashamed of how I get my living. That's why I wouldn't voluntarily work for the US Government.

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    9. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by Target+Practice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. To top it off, now the government have created a paradox for themselves:
      -threatening students with lawsuits if they break copyright infringement laws
      -seizing computers used for questionable activity, and yet
      -rewarding students in contests where the challenge is an opportunity "...for them to hone their skills on being able to hack into other systems, particularly those of folks we may not be fond of,..."

      In a world where the corporation wins against individual rights, where suspicion can land you on a no-fly list, is it really so hard to understand why they can't fill these positions? We're raising the young to frown on the dark side of the internet. We have the Eloi, they have the Morlocks.

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    10. Re:Duh, they are in jail. by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Y'know, the greatest threat to US security might be the US government.

      1) Who wields the greatest power in the world?
      2) Is the entity in #1 really using it for the benefit of the USA? Or for the benefit of others?

      It's always bogeyman after bogeyman, "The US is under threat" and neverending wars against drugs/terror/whatever.

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  2. Re:H1b? by Maarx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if there is such a shortage of talent maybe we can offshore this responsibility? Maybe to China? As a bonus it will be less expensive.

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  3. Is anyone surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The US treats anyone with the least bit of curiosity or know-how with suspicion.

  4. Jail time? by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe it's because we call anyone with even the smallest amount of computer knowledge a witch^H hacker, and burn them at the stake^H^H^H^H^H^H put them in jail (or detention, for the juveniles) while banning them from using computers?

    It's pretty simple, guys. If you ban model rockets, you won't get a generation of rocket scientists. If you ban chemistry kits, you won't get a generation of chemical engineers. If you ban playing around with computer systems, you won't get a generation of hackers.

    1. Re:Jail time? by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Playing around and breaking the law are two different things. Some laws stifle learning and need to be changed, but most do not.

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    2. Re:Jail time? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's pretty simple, guys. If you ban model rockets, you won't get a generation of rocket scientists. If you ban chemistry kits, you won't get a generation of chemical engineers. If you ban playing around with [other people's] computer systems, you won't get a generation of [computer crackers].

      FTFY. It's illegal for a reason.

  5. Perception... by mlts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is all about perception. I see high school advisors telling kids to stay away from computer science because they will be fighting for jobs against the whole world (programmers from India, sysadmins from the Bay Area, etc.) Instead, they tell them to go law because "there is no such thing as an unemployed lawyer."

    Russia and China, it is different. There, their security guys doing blackhat/white work are viewed with similar respect as Special Forces guys are viewed here, as heroes for their country. Here in the US, a CS/IT person is looked at as someone who is going to be unemployed as soon as the PHB finds some offshore firm.

    Change the perception, make it cool to be a CS/IT person. THEN you will have your "cyberwarriors" that are on par with the Russian/Chinese blackhats. Otherwise, the CS students will be taking their CS degree into law or business school.

  6. We brought this on ourselves, perhaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe if the country wasn't so obsessed with computer crime that it looks for black-hat hackers in ridiculous places, we wouldn't have this problem.

    Chemistry sets and other "gateway drugs" to the sciences and engineering are also not as easily available any more. And isn't "creativity" declining too?

  7. Cyber Warriors lol by hypergreatthing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. I know what they should do. Bring back photon and use it as a recruitment tool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_(TV_series)

    Who in their right mind would join up with a organization which wants to call you a Cyber Warrior?

    I mean, i get it from the perspective of appropriating money that should be used for better causes and justifying your 6 figure salary and all. But this whole thing is laughable.

  8. Because those jobs suck. by Zeek40 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A big part of the problem is that those jobs are very unappealing. First the applicants have to get a security clearance, which weeds out all non-citizens and a good deal of other applicants, then they are forced to work in secure facilities that feel like caves or underground bunkers, and on top of that they aren't allowed to discuss what they do in anything but the most general terms. Taking a job doing cyber ops for the government is volunteering to put a giant gap in your resume that you can't discuss.

  9. Re:Funny how.. by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We don't have sufficiently bright people moving into this field"

    Yet we have sufficiently bright people who can create a system that rapes the stock market.

    Which one pays better?

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  10. The root of the problem... by stagg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is legal and cultural. The US penalizes innovation and experimentation more than anyone. The US government is responsible for the DMCA and massive efforts to punish people for hacking their own hardware and software, ludicrous prison terms, and so forth. On top of that you have a move away from generic, "hackable" computers to walled garden, Apple style technologies. That kind of culture doesn't really nurture a generation of future hackers. We don't encourage youth people to explore technology, we want them to play by the rules and keep their noses clean. With hacking hardware and software so stubbornly discouraged, it's no wonder that not very many people have the desired skill set.

    1. Re:The root of the problem... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and is not safe enough without 16 airbags and electronic stability control.

      You're actually complaining that cars are safer and more technologically advanced? You're actually *complaining* about that? Really? Wow.

      Sorry, but I'll take my 7-speed, twin clutch roadster over that '55 Dodge any day. It's a convertible. Is that unsafe enough for you?

      Damn, I hope I don't turn into a bitter old man like you.

      You entire post has been said by every generation before you, and will be said by every generation afterward.

      Cheer up and go have some fun. Get drunk and hire a hooker or something. Sheesh.

    2. Re:The root of the problem... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hiring prostitutes is quite illegal, and really quite stupid of you to suggest to someone who's complaining about too many things being illegal.

      You really couldn't tell that was a joke? Really?

      Actually, he's complaining that cars are harder to work on, and also that today's youth don't know how to work on cars anymore, other than bolting on lights or whatever.

      Ok. So? The world has moved on. People voted for safety and emission controls and performance and whatnot.

      How many kids these days change their own oil or do other required maintenance (which even the newest cars still require)? No, they just take it to the dealership to let a "qualified technician" do it for $75/hr.

      Wow. Exaggerate much? They go to Jiffy Lube and have it done for $20 and the oil gets disposed of in an approved manner. I never understood the boner "car guys" get over changing your own oil. Some of us just are not interested in working on cars and have other interests. And, yes, I used to change my own oil way back when I was in college and didn't have a fraction of the responsibilities I have now.

      With my Honda, I just get a jump-start and drive to the nearest AutoZone, and with nothing more than a 10mm wrench, the guy there replaces my battery in 5 minutes because it's easy to get to (I let him do it because the last time I did it, battery acid ate holes in my shirt!,

      OK. My Ford and my Dodge are both 5 minute battery replacements. My friend had a Mercedes where you nearly had to disassemble the rear end to replace a tail light. Another one had a Mini where it seemed a replacement part had to be shipped from Pluto it took so long. We could trade individual anecdotal cases all day and never prove anything.

  11. Well, Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an educator, specifically a computer science educator in higher education, I have to say that this is a shortage that the US has created. Let's see, if we outsource all IT jobs, and then allow various industry groups to sue the snot out of people based on their IP address; let's tell all potential students that jobs in this area can be done overseas, and that there is no reason to go into this area; let's pay low, low wages, and accept low-quality work from people who rose through the ranks due to politics rather than ability; let's reward people for paper certificates that they obtained through cram sessions and cheat sheets; let's do everything within our power to make this an unattractive field of study. And now, when bright, curious, intelligent people are needed in this field, let's wonder why they're not there.

    Cynicism - the last refuge of those people who want to simply say, "Well, duh!"

  12. Skills and knowledge AND... by terrahertz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In part, it's due to a severe shortage of computer security specialists and engineers with the skills and knowledge necessary to do battle against would-be adversaries.

    Based on my own experience, I would argue that there is a severe shortage of computer security specialists and engineers with the skills and knowledge and desire to do battle against would-be adversaries. Whether it's a personal financial concern or a personal ethical concern, there are lots of great reasons for skilled and knowledgeable experts to seek employment elsewhere.

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  13. Re:Maybe this man's ideas are misplaced... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that we are using the ridiculous term "cyberwarrior" suggests that, at the very least, the people writing the PR playbooks don't have a fucking clue.

    In addition to being corny as hell, "cyberwarrior" implies a dangerously literal application of traditional military doctrines(ie. you have the civilians, who do whatever, and then you have an army that stands between them and the bad guys and blows things up) to computer security. With networked computers, aside from the specific case of DOD sysadmins, virtually all of "computer security" is about making sure that the (overwhelmingly civilian) software and systems are properly designed and built. That isn't something that you are going to do by having a few "cyberwarriors" to hack through the enemy's code walls, or whatever. That is only doable by, more or less, massively increasing the status(and cost, sorry MBAs...) of programmers, software engineers, sysadmins, etc.

    Obviously, there will be some need for near-black-hats to spook around hostile networks in the service of various sinister three letter agencies; but the vast majority of "computer security" is much closer to being analogous to a civil engineering or public health question than it is to being a military one. Trying to solve "cybersecurity" with a relatively small number of "elite cyberwarriors" is rather like trying to keep a population from dying of cholera by building a few world-class research hospitals(with bed space for like 1% of the cases), rather than having civil engineers knock together a water system...

  14. Ah, better to crack'em down. by alexborges · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go look for the idiot that started the Hacker's Crackdown in th 90's. The result of this attitude was to either push some kids to the edge where the russian mob recruited them in on form or another, or plain make them corpodrones, albeit very good at typing crap into a cisco console, but perfectly worthless in the underlining of the net.

    Bravo, idiots, might I remind you that here in the net, we forsaw and told you about this. And now you come complainin....

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    1. Re:Ah, better to crack'em down. by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This will just be another case of Problem, Reaction, Solution.

      They already know what they want, this is just their horse and pony
      show to justify what they will do to get it.

      Likely some more Visa workers to drive down wage costs.

      I did a search for CISSP jobs and that ilk and there is not
      thousands of them out there waiting to be filled.

      I call Deja moo.

      Deja moo is like Deja Vu, but it refers to having heard this BS somewhere before.

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    2. Re:Ah, better to crack'em down. by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm not sure that NSA's Information Assurance Directorate advertises on Monster. That seems like it would be counter-productive. I think there are more jobs (certainly more than 11), but they're the ones that either you have to go looking for SPECIFICALLY and not just casually come across, or where they come to you.

      I heard the story on NPR yesterday morning as I was driving to work, and it sounded like they were counting in all the government, intelligence and military positions, too -- not just corporate positions. And they're not going to fill the black-bag gigs or core routing positions at tier1 ISPs, or the blue-badge jobs, with H1B visas.

      I think another part of the problem is that a lot of the people who have the skills and knowledge to do this type of work very well are also the same people who don't particularly support the organizations that do it, often times because of wildly inaccurate assumptions fed by crazy Hollywood story lines.

  15. There isn't a shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Anyone who has ever worked in government IT knows that it is the last place for a competent person. The average bureaucrat considers IT to be one of the easiest ways to launder kickbacks for party supporters. Competence ONLY gets in the way. Worse, they'll even try to get you to make that slop work. Fall on your swords now, "cyberwarriors". (snort!)

  16. The enemy is not who you think they are. by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    necessary to do battle against would-be adversaries. The protection of US computer systems essentially requires an army of cyberwarriors

    Who is the enemy? If you think its a nebulous "them", then you're wrong, its us.

    "security" where I work is primarily focused on giving as many employees parking tickets as possible, monitoring our every move (although car breakins are of course not monitored), protecting the company from downsized employees, and generally being bullies.

    I can assure you that "leet cyberwarriors" are not going to be used against enemy nation of the week, but against Americans. Against people with the mistaken idea they live in a free country. Against anyone standing in the way of the big corporations that pay for our elections. Against anyone whom does not understand they exist to serve the govt, not the other way around.

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  17. There is no shortage. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Government mouth piece is talking out of his ass.

    There are plenty of people who know how is just that the knowledge leads to suspicion by law enforcement and practice of said skills are illegal.

    It's the same thing if this guy said, "There aren't enough people who know how to murder and our spy agencies are having a hard time finding assassins! "

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  18. Re:Maybe this man's ideas are misplaced... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm less concerned about the cheesy term scaring away hardcore techies(they can always just mock it in the break room).

    I'm concerned about managerial decisions, program planning, and the like. It is hard to think correct thoughts with broken language, and "cyberwarrior" is broken language(except, again, in the specific context of l33t black-ops haxx0rs for the NSA who play offense. They may or may not like the term; but they are at least structurally somewhat analogous to various flavors of elite-and-slightly-irregular forces that have been used in the past.)

    My concern, essentially(in addition to the fact that "cyberwarrior" is an invitation to the quiet militarization of just about anything turing-complete and network connected, all in the name of "security") is that this sloppy use of language will(and already is) lead to sloppy, incorrect thinking on the part of politicians and planners and the like. You'll get roughly one of two outcomes:

    Outcome one: The "guard the borders" interpretation. This is the analogy extension of "cyberwarrior" that anybody whose worldview is steeped in the classic American quasi-isolationism(that comes quite naturally from having an ocean on each side, and largely untroublesome borders) will come up with. Basically, civilians get to be the soft chewy center, and go about their business however they like, and the military stands guard at the edges and occasionally goes overseas and kills some nazis or communists.

    This interpretation, will the better of the two, is largely useless. With modern internet interconnection, pretty much any sort of electronic attack will fly right past the border and into the ghastly mess that is civilian systems with ease. Even fairly petty criminals will not have much trouble, and some hostile nation's targeted attackers even less. Also, because of "COTS" fever, low-bidder private sector code will be all over military critical systems as well. Hurray.

    Outcome two: Super sinister, and not necessarily much more useful than Outcome one. This is the bad analogy extension of "cyberwarrior" that will be arrived at by either retro "total war" theorists, or their contemporary counterparts who have been hitting the "9/11 changed everything, new kind of war, assymetric undefined battlefield, war on abstract concepts!!" pipe pretty hard. Here, the thinking will roughly be as follows: 1. There is a state of "cyberwar" 2. "Cyberwarriors" must be used to win the cyberwar. 3. All internet connected systems are strategic resources, and/or strategic targets, and are therefore under the just jurisdiction of the "cyberwarriors" until such time as the cyberwar should end(ie. never).

    Basically, this outcome will mean massive militarization(and some super-juicy contractor food) of previously civilian areas; because, there is a cyberwar on, so if you are on the internet, you are territory...

  19. Re:H1b? by INT_QRK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, is it "We don't have sufficiently bright people," or is it "our people aren't performing with sufficient brilliance"? The difference is nuanced, but significant in both causes and effects. Sufficiently bright people will tend to seek an environment where they are afforded opportunities to excel. Highly bureaucratic organizations where politically ambitious leadership (albeit very, very, bright) chase silver-Power Point bullets inside of banners quoting their sponsors like packs of 8 year olds chasing a soccer ball tend to repel, or paralyze, the best and brightest; that's even if, especially if, first attracted by the skillful sales pitch. I suspect that there are plenty of exceptionally bright people throughout the National Security Apparatus; however, its like throwing National Guardsman on the border in response to a couple of adverse editorials. Lacking a clear mission and effective rules of engagement supporting rationally assigned tasks, an exceptionally capable force becomes an otherwise useless consumer of time, money and supplies, not because they aren't bright and capable, but because nothing they're allowed to do is effective, and nothing effective is allowable. Same situation here. Until we figure out the mission, agree on the operating boundaries, and create conditions (including legal and governance framework) wherein bright people can work the problem set and not have to chase soccer balls, no amount of hand wringing, DSB studies, slogans, speeches, or bolded Power-Point bullets, with or without lightening bolts, will accomplish anything very effective. I am curious, what the heck means "Veteran Cyber Security Specialist," since that relatively nonsensical term simply wasn't coined that long ago.

  20. Is there ever not a "desperate shortage" ? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been in IT for 30 years. I started in the USAF, and went on to work for defense contractors. Have held several clearances, including top secret. Have degrees in math and comp sci. I am presently long term unemployed.

    It seems to me that these "desperate shortage" articles come out routinely. No matter how many major IT layoffs, or how many CS grads can not find a job, or how depressed wages are for IT pros.

    Why are these articles never specific? Exactly what skills do they need that they find so hard to fill? Exactly what credentials are they looking for: BSCS, PhD, CISSP, CCIE, or what?

    Why do these articles seem to reek of corporate/government propaganda?

  21. Hiring practices by pootypeople · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good IT guys don't want to go through the nonsense associated with these positions. They can get jobs with private industry that don't have the headaches. I live in the Washington area and there are plenty of IT jobs here. You just have to have a TS/SCI or plan to get one. I'm much happier not having the FBI asking my neighbors questions and crap like that.

  22. Same propaganda from December 2009, and before by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They typical run these propaganda campaigns about every six months.

    http://www.fiercegovernmentit.com/story/u-s-faces-shortage-cybersecurity-workers/2009-12-23

    Screaming and crying about desperate shortages is just a routine part of business. It keeps the poor saps studying for a career they will probably never get. It keeps the markets nice and glutted.

    IMO: what really gives this away as propaganda, is the lack of specificity. They will never tell you exactly what credentials are supposedly in such short supply.

  23. Is there any pay involved? by lpq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone is focusing on government crackdown on hackers...but no one is focusing on standard reasons -- like how does government pay compare to what the person might earn in the private sector?

    Ok, now ask -- how much has the government done to cultivate love for country in the past quarter century?
    How about patriotism? No...paying people to snitch on their neighbors is not considered something that builds loyalty to country.

    Ok...now put the pay item into perspective....
    What are the pay and job prospects for software types, in general in the US -- compared to say, 15 years ago?

    Add all that up...ignore the curiosity=jail trip...
    standard job market indicators would tend to say this type of job isn't going to be a big attractor these days...

    Now add the curiosity=jail nonsense and get tough on US-citizens/war on US citizens rhetoric that is so popular with the conservatives that have been in power for most of the past 30 years (the Reagan generation, 1980 and beyond).

    The dominant paradigm is to keep voters and consumers stupid. Education is *bad* -- since percentage wise, the more educated people are, the more likely they are to have liberal or progressive views. Not a bright prospect for American future -- at least not for the majority -- for those who run the big Corps, the landscape looks brighter and brighter...

    I doubt I'll live long enough to see the worst of it, or a turnaround...