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Australian Enterprises Block Sex Party's Political Site

schliz writes "Corporate web filters in some organizations are blocking web access to the Australian Sex Party, which is a registered political party that is contesting Australia's upcoming August 21 Federal Election. The site features policies and campaign material, including opposition to the Government's mandatory internet filtering proposal. Party convener Fiona Patten said that although the term 'sex' in the party's website URL could be responsible for its filtering woes, the party is unlikely to consider a name change: 'I think the fact that people are still blocking our site just because of the word "sex" in the name shows that we need this political movement.'"

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  1. Though to ponder. by sjwt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just because they think the reason it is bolocked is because of the word sex in the URL, dosent meen that is the reason.

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    1. Re:Though to ponder. by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What could be another reason and would that reason be any better?

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    2. Re:Though to ponder. by jamesh · · Score: 2, Informative

      "sex" is a word associated with pornography, but also with a huge number of non-pornographic meanings.

      "sex party" on the other hand has less non-pornographic meanings. A google search for "sex party" gives the Australian political party web site as the first result. A number of the other results on the first page are not related to political parties. A google image search for "sex party" with safe search turned off gives a page full of skin.

      If I was stupid enough to develop an internet filter, I might omit the word "sex" by itself from filtering, but if it appeared next to the word "party" it would definitely get a higher ranking.

      As you say, just because their site contains the term "sex party" it doesn't necessarily mean it's the reason for the blocking. I think it's likely though.

    3. Re:Though to ponder. by deniable · · Score: 1

      Most of the filters are made somewhere else and block all sorts of strange stuff in the default lists. We used to have 'New Guinea' blocked for RACISM. It was easier to to turn that filter off. Our current filters decided to start blocking a local pizza joint as PORNOGRAPHY. Does anyone know why the categories are always in all caps?

    4. Re:Though to ponder. by sortius_nod · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the main flaw in your rational is that most companies work with a whitelist rather than a blacklist. I've only worked at a few places with a blacklist, and they are usually set up for specific sites, rather than terms.

      The fact users can get to an other political party's site rather than the ASP's site would generally mean it's been whitelisted. I'm sure a friendly word to the network admin would open it up. Then again, why are you looking up political material at work? I can't think of anywhere I've worked that has said you are allowed to bring your political preferences to work with you. I'm pretty sure here in Australia it's against EEO to be political at work. Add to that the basic rule that computers at work are for work purposes only...

    5. Re:Though to ponder. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.
      Some jobs obviously would require it - blogger, journalist, Corporate PR person searching out bad publicity fires to put out, etc.

      But the general worker really has no reason to be browsing, period.

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    6. Re:Though to ponder. by jamesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Add to that the basic rule that computers at work are for work purposes only...

      wtf? I can't tell if you are trolling or just clueless.

      Some organizations do indeed have policies that prevent any use of company computers for personal use, but most aren't that inflexible. It's a matter of policy, not a "basic rule".

    7. Re:Though to ponder. by deniable · · Score: 1

      "Reasonable, personal use" is usually the term I've seen. It's seen as better for the boss if you jump on the net for five minutes rather than taking an hour off to stand in line at the bank or other variations on the theme. That being said we're running into a generation that complain about us blocking Facebook, IM and streaming audio / video.

    8. Re:Though to ponder. by srothroc · · Score: 1

      Even more than the word itself, consider the combination of letters, since it's a URL. For example, anything with the pattern *sex* would be filtered, whether it was actually a word or not -- consider "expertsexchange.com" or something.

    9. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd rather go to expertsexchange.com for my operation than amateurSexChange.com

    10. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the main flaw in your rational

      Unfortunately, the word you were looking for is "rationale", not "rational".

    11. Re:Though to ponder. by cduffy · · Score: 1

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.
      Some jobs obviously would require it - blogger, journalist, Corporate PR person searching out bad publicity fires to put out, etc.

      And I've never worked anywhere with a total ban on personal browsing during work hours. I just recently handed in my notice from a Fortune 50 company with something on the scale of 100,000 employees, and even they allow reasonable personal use of company resources.

      Accept that your experiences aren't everyone's.

    12. Re:Though to ponder. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Hi! Nice to meet you. I am that generation. I'm a millennial, raised in a schizophrenic constant bombardment of media chunks measured in minutes. Consequently I rarely focus on anything for more than an hour without starting to fall asleep. If I'm not able to sprinkle a few random periods of entertainment into my work day, I will lose focus and literally start to fall asleep. The upside is that I work faster than my predecessors when I do work, and I am capable of handling more work items at any given time. There may not be any net benefit, but really, would that be a reasonable expectation anyway? Is the behavior made natural by my developmental conditioning only justified if I am able to exceed the performance of previous generations? One standard or no standard I say.

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    13. Re:Though to ponder. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'm glad I don't live in your world. Every place I've ever worked didn't mind some surfing, and I probably wouldn't even work in place that didn't let you surf through downtime.

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    14. Re:Though to ponder. by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Clearly, they're acronyms. I assume this PORNOGRAPHY thing is something about Pizza related Obesity etc...

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    15. Re:Though to ponder. by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Hi! Nice to meet you. I am that generation.
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      One standard or no standard I say.

      It seems to me that last bit you said conflicts with the rest of what you said, but maybe I just misunderstood.

      The problem is that facebook and the like can become too much of a distraction for some (and it doesn't seem to matter that much what generation they belong to). Just like most people can have the occasional alcoholic beverage without any problems, some people become addicted.

      If you want one rule to bind them all then that rule is going to be "no facebook for you!".

    16. Re:Though to ponder. by jamesh · · Score: 1

      "Reasonable, personal use" is usually the term I've seen.

      Same here. As long as people don't go to excess and spend all day on it then there is seldom a problem. For a bank or something where security is an issue I've seen personal use banned outright (and rightly so) but rarely at other workplaces.

      I remember one guy resigning not long after ebay was banned at one place (ebay traffic dwarfed everything else). He was running a business on it when he was supposed to be doing graphic design work completely unrelated to ebay.

      Blocking facebook does seem to be an increasingly frequent request though.

    17. Re:Though to ponder. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I was talking about standards of performance. If I can do the same job as one of my colleagues while watching YouTube videos, but if he did the same his performance goes down, that doesn't mean I should be barred from watching YouTube videos. I am not responsible for other people's deficiencies. If I can do my job to the same level expected from everybody else it should not matter that I intersperse snippets of non-work into my day. Especially considering that if I were forced to drop those to zero, my productivity would decrease rather than increase.

      Luckily basically every place I've ever worked has realized this, and I wouldn't work very long at any place that didn't.

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    18. Re:Though to ponder. by deniable · · Score: 1

      Exactly so. Most of the issues with excessive or improper use shouldn't be handled at a technical level. It's standard 'not doing the job' disciplinary action. We've blocked Facebook et al, mostly because of the traffic. Before the block social networking was about 25% of the traffic through our proxies.

    19. Re:Though to ponder. by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Just because they think the reason it is bolocked is because of the word sex in the URL, dosent meen that is the reason.

      Indeed. Just think who will benefit from this news about the blocking... ;-)

    20. Re:Though to ponder. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Blocking the word "sex" in a URL is just dumb - an argument I frequently had at an old employment of mine, a very large IT organisation, consisting of 3 letters. They also blocked the word "sex" from URLs.

      I worked in the Microsoft Exchange (mSEXchange) team.... anyone else see the problem here? I just loved it when I had a problem with an Exchange box, googled the error code, found a google result that told me how to fix it but couldn't open the URL because it has "sex" in it...

    21. Re:Though to ponder. by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      What could be another reason and would that reason be any better?

      Maybe they also have a few other words mixed in that the filters object to:

      "We're upset about business blocking us - we have absolutely no pornographic content whatsoever!" said Marsha Sexsmith, a resident of Cockburn Street, Originally from Scunthorpe, England, she's an anthropologist. She's traveled to Matiti (French Polynesia), Clitheroe, Fistina, Woody Bay (UK), Pisset, Balsac, and Pussy (France), Bastardo (Italy), Hashita (Israel), Youfukyou and Fuxingmen(China), Labia (Egypt), Licking (US) and Titicaca (Titicaca, Peru, Titicaca Creek in the US, and of course Titicaca court in Western Australia). "It's only in Titicaca, Washington, that I saw anything as silly as this! Even Suckstem and Cassman Spring (also in the US) weren't as bad!" Ms. SexSmith was commenting from her campaign office on Fistula Street in Queensland.

    22. Re:Though to ponder. by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why the categories are always in all caps?

      Because they are YELLING!

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    23. Re:Though to ponder. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Blocking facebook is a good idea in general, but companies that block entire sites like that should also have a computer free from the blocks, like in the break room or something. It's entirely reasonable to want to check facebook before leaving work for the day.

      Having a separate computer and network would also let companies avoid security issues that unfiltered internet access can present, and also have a network to put visitors on who come in with unsecured laptops. Setup a separate, unfiltered network, stick a computer in a public place for employees on it. (A rate limited network, of course, so people don't run around downloading stuff on it.)

      And it would solve the problem of 'Facebook is blocked but the damn customer sent me his cell phone number last night on facebook.'. issue that people on filtered networks run into.

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    24. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.

      That doesn't count when your only job has been mowing the lawn for dad ;)

    25. Re:Though to ponder. by Artifex · · Score: 1

      What could be another reason and would that reason be any better?

      They could be being blocked simply because they're a political party that's in the minority.
      If political speech is protected there, they should sue.

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    26. Re:Though to ponder. by davester666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because the product started out being developed on MS-DOS 2.0, and back then it took extra effort to support both upper and lower case, so they just went with upper-case. And like most Windows software, it was modified just enough to work with the newest operating system.

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    27. Re:Though to ponder. by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But the general worker really has no reason to be browsing, period.

      Suit yourself. In that case I'll be spending my lunch hour in the internet cafe, with my phone turned off.

      What's that, you'd gotten used to me being reachable by phone during lunch break? Well, that's just tough cookies, trust and flexibility go 2 ways. Treat me like we're in kindergarten and I'll be happy to return the favor.

      Or we could both go on pretending we're responsible adults...

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    28. Re:Though to ponder. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.

      And what about the non-fucking internet?

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    29. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. But she is very right to say 'I think the fact that people are still blocking our site just because of the word "sex".

      Bravo Fiona ! You have my vote.

    30. Re:Though to ponder. by Sique · · Score: 1

      What? Marsha never was in Fucking (Austria) and in Petting (Germany)?

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    31. Re:Though to ponder. by Smauler · · Score: 1

      You obviously have no love for your job - you know you could do your job better, but you are comparing your performance to somone who does the same job badly. Don't fucking do that... don't say your co-workers are shit so that you can do what they do with your hands tied behind your back. Little priveledges are that - little.

    32. Re:Though to ponder. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      They're in the same filter as www.sexparty.tv

    33. Re:Though to ponder. by sjames · · Score: 1

      How about be grown up enough to not go to facebook if you find it too distracting?

    34. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereas I've never had a job which didn't allow me to "surf the fucking internet".

    35. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Licking? That's an obscene word now?

    36. Re:Though to ponder. by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      or something.

      My favorite is http://www.powergenitalia.com/ - in a splash of irony, they do actually sell "specialized battery products", just not the kind your filthy mind is currently imagining.

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    37. Re:Though to ponder. by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.

      I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say none of your jobs have permitted employees to surf the net. Sure, most (tho anecdotal evidence says not all) bosses would be quite pissed if a worker wasted away his entire day browsing the net, or even just wasted enough time that it impaired his work performance. But it would be a bit tyrannical for a company to ban all net access. I've only even heard of such a policy a few times, and always in very low skill (e.g. customer service phone monkey) positions.

      Personally, I could not actually do my job without internet access. If I had to spend hours struggling by myself with a programming issue, instead of looking it up on the web in 30 seconds, I wouldn't get jack done. Unsurprisingly therefore, I have never worked at even a single job that imposed serious restrictions on internet access. They may, or may not, have had some web filters to block porno. But watching porno at work is kinda stupid -- I'd be a lot more concerned about my boss or coworker walking up and seeing it, than about some (probably not too hard to circumvent) filter.

      Even in a couple quite high security financial systems jobs, there were no obvious restrictions. However, at those jobs they made it very clear that everything one did was monitored and recorded. Which, given the sensitive nature of the work, seemed entirely reasonable.

    38. Re:Though to ponder. by Hooya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pizza Ordered Regularly, Nearly Obviously, Gives Rise to A Phallus Handling Youth??

    39. Re:Though to ponder. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      "Licking? That's an obscene word now?"

      The city of Licking would probably be considered obscene by porn filters when it's preceded by the city of Labia in Egypt.

    40. Re:Though to ponder. by Meski · · Score: 1

      Why do you need to read about the Australian Sex Party whilst you're at work? Wait till you get home. No need to get all hot and sweaty about political parties that are in the minority, or whatever, and suing them. And if you do have a need to read it, chances are that you can get the corporate filter exempted for you.

    41. Re:Though to ponder. by pckl300 · · Score: 1

      I can't remember anywhere I've ever worked where you were allowed to surf the fucking internet.

      What about the rest of the internet that isn't fucking?

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    42. Re:Though to ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A local high school had filters back in 2000 that blocked many math-related websites. Apparently "sextillion" is an obscenely large number.

  2. A filter method doomed to fail? by kaptink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to admitt that seeing www.sexparty.org.au does not make me think of politics at a first glance. But it's interesting however that filters will pick it up as adult content when i'm sure other sites contain sex somewhere in the url - for example deliveriesexpress.com.au. I assume since sex is the first part of the url it is picked up. What about sextantrepairs.com or any of these http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/sex/ ?

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    1. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by Netshroud · · Score: 0

      Or the old joke of ExpertsExchange. Apparently that's why they put the dash in the URL - to stop it being read or blocked as ExpertSexChange.

    2. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [insert link to picture of KIDSEXCHANGE store sign here]

    3. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by deniable · · Score: 2, Funny

      Strangely enough, I still get links to them when I'm looking for information about mSexchange.

    4. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by hvm2hvm · · Score: 1

      lemonparty.org seems legit though
      http://www.cslacker.com/images/file/mediums/lemon_party.jpg

      (note -- the first link is NSFW, the second one is SFW)

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    5. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Maybe it picks out all words besides sex (using a dictionary), then if one of the unmatched segments is "sex", it filters it?

    6. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean MS Exchange?

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    7. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by eulernet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here are 2 other examples of harmless words that are filtered by DansGuardian (which is the filter we use in my company, and probably the one used here):

      cluster -> because of 'lust' (there is one link on Microsoft's site with this word in the URL)
      ptit (which is a contraction of the word petit in french) -> because of 'tit'.

      After that, we disabled keyword and content filtering, because of the false positives, but we are keeping the sex filters anyway.

      BTW, if you want to have nice links, just download DansGuardian's blacklists ;-)

    8. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by mpe · · Score: 1

      Here are 2 other examples of harmless words that are filtered by DansGuardian (which is the filter we use in my company, and probably the one used here):

      Nice to see the "Scunthorpe Effect" is still going strong :)

    9. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to admitt that seeing www.sexparty.org.au does not make me think of politics at a first glance.

      Oh yeah...me too. Apart from the large logo in the top-left saying: "Join Australia's Newest Political Force, The Australian Sex Party" and the many references to policies, and politics.

    10. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by deniable · · Score: 1

      No, I was talking about Microsoft Exchange Server. Whoosh.

    11. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by deniable · · Score: 1

      lemonparty.org seems legit though http://www.cslacker.com/images/file/mediums/lemon_party.jpg (note -- the first link is NSFW, the second one is SFW)

      Actually, the only link is safe. lemonparty.org on it's own is NSFW.

    12. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by deniable · · Score: 1

      Um, that would require you to follow the link and go to the site. Maybe I should start the Goatse / Tubgirl Party. That wouldn't give you any problems, would it?

    13. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, M. is the abbreviation for monsieur, so M. Sex Change is the french equivalent of Mr. Sex Change.

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    14. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is. See my login? I tried to register it on a particular deal-posting forum, and had it rejected as unacceptable. Wanna guess which part of "SpammersAreScum" I had to change? (Hint: My initial guess that they didn't like references to "spam" proved to be wrong.)

    15. Re:A filter method doomed to fail? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but "sexparty" just screams 70's key-party or the like. What's next, a political party site named goatse.au?

  3. Come to Australia by acehole · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the (Blacked out) of the [Censored].

    I've been making plans to get a job in another country. This is something you'd expect to see in North Korea or East Germany circa 1980, not Australia.

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    1. Re:Come to Australia by omi5cron · · Score: 1

      i really am saddened. i always thought of australia as pretty cool, and it probably still is, but it seems some of your governmental types are whacked in the head. or should be!! 'premature unnecessary debate' , heavens, can't have anybody know what they are going to vote on!! good luck on your search for a better place, and when you find it, please let the rest of us know! thank you in advance.

    2. Re:Come to Australia by acehole · · Score: 1

      Plan is already down. I've done the expat thing before and I'm going to do it again.

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    3. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 0

      The document was censored because, more or less, it wasn't ready yet. It's part of the "deliberative processes", and releasing it "could, more than likely, create a confusing and misleading impression." The letter from the legal officer of the FOI and privacy section was very clear that sending out the uncensored document is more like spreading misinformation than spreading information. The "premature unnecessary debate" quote, in the article, was taken waaaaaay out of context, and even then, far from the only component in the decision-making process.

      I applaud SMH for bringing such censorship to light, but I must say I'm not impressed with the quality of the journalism.

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    4. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Slashdot, where the flames are modded flamebait, and the flamebaits are modded up.

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    5. Re:Come to Australia by qwerty8ytrewq · · Score: 2, Informative

      I support your outrage, As an Oz resident, and a netizen. This is not cool. I also am considering to leave, although a pa$$port burning is not yet on the cards. Do not forget the Australia gov' has a pretty nasty track record in a lot of areas. At least this info is being leaked/discussed, not completely censored.

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    6. Re:Come to Australia by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been making plans to get a job in another country.

      I'm an Aussie living abroad. I have been to many, many countries and I've got to say, that there will always be something wrong with most places. I think it is once thing to see something bad happen in your own country, like seeing your own house in flames is worse than your neighbours, but you can never find a country which is how you like it.

      This story is a beat up anyway, this is just private internal networks, they can block the Labor, Liberal, National, Greens or whoever they want for all I care. I think doing stupid shit in your business is part of the great freedom that Australians enjoy.

      Getting back to the point, where will you run to? The world is full of conflicting social agendas. There will always be things you can say and things you can't. I caught my Chinese girlfriend wearing this extraordinarily racist T-shirt. She told me that she should be able to say what she wants about the Japanese because she doesn't like them. She can wear it on the streets of Beijing without a hassle, but would be at least severely reprimanded in most "free" countries.

      I have not been to Australia for close to a year, but last time I was there, the amount of stuff you can get away with saying, looking at online, keeping for personal use or doing in your bedroom was astoundingly high by world standards. My advice is that unless Family First and Christian Democrats form a coalition government or Sharia law is established in Western Sydney that moving somewhere else for more freedom may be a counterproductive piece of theatrics that only has the consequence of giving the country one less supporter of liberal policies.

      By all means, if you want to own a big gun, go to somewhere like the Philippines, if you want drugs and porn, you could go to Amsterdam. If you want to escape racism, you can go to somewhere diverse like Singapore or if you want to indulge in racism, just pick any other country in Asia. If you want freedom to be in a legally sanctioned Homosexual marriage, you can go to Belgium, or if you want freedom to say you hate homosexuals you can go to Saudi Arabia. But I guarantee you, something about wherever you are will piss you off and you will act like your standard whiny Aussie expat moaning about how Australia does X better. Something akin to the flood of wannabe refugees threatening to pour over the Saint Laurence river in either direction whenever some unpopular policy comes up on one side of it.

      The problem with Australia is the bitching. Some people complain about "hostile workplaces" so they bring in filters to block porn. The porn filter apparently blocks this "sex party" because someone thought it referred to a site about orgies so it is met with another tide of complaints.

      Australia is unfair, just like the planet on which it is located. By all means, decry your country at the pub, but just remember, that kind of behaviour is enough to get you flattened by rednecks in other free countries. And honestly, if you think redacting a non-binding discussion paper released to the public is on the same level as what happens in the "Democratic People's Republic" of Korea or the German "Democratic" Republic, then that just shows how sheltered you are in your little country and how much of a shock you'd get if you left.

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    7. Re:Come to Australia by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's even more brash than the secrecy around ACTA. They're not even making up bullshit excuses about national security, they're just telling you straight that you don't need to see it, citizen.

      Definitely GTFO of there ASAP, Australia is looking worse than the US at this point.

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    8. Re:Come to Australia by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      It's part of the "deliberative processes", and releasing it "could, more than likely, create a confusing and misleading impression."

      And at what point is the public entitled to be a part of this deliberative process? After all of the decisions have already been made?

    9. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Somewhere between "This will be law now" and "Hey guys, wouldn't it be awesome if we filtered all the vowels out of the internet?" That is, after the people who are proposing actually make a proposal, and are not just considering it.

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    10. Re:Come to Australia by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Wrong. The public should know who's making such proposals from the beginning, so they can vote them out in the next election. You make not like to see the process, but the rest of us might like to know how they make the sausage and what they put into it. We certainly have that right. We should put the entire government in a glass house to keep it honest, regardless of whether it makes it a bit less "efficient".

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    11. Re:Come to Australia by timmans · · Score: 1

      As an Australian living overseas, I couldn't agree with you more. I was living in another "first world" country for 3 years and am now living in a "3rd world" country for about 3 years. Compared to either of these two, Australia is by far and away the best place to live with minimal crime, racism, corruption and social disharmony. I agree, Australia is not perfect, but it would be quite hard to find a better place to live.

    12. Re:Come to Australia by modecx · · Score: 1

      Query:
      What type of people do you get when power is vested in Parliament? Answer: Subjects.
      What type of people do you get when power is vested in The People? Answer: Citizens.

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    13. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      No you're wrong. (So there.)

      The public should know who's making such proposals from the beginning, so they can vote them out in the next election. You make not like to see the process, but the rest of us might like to know how they make the sausage and what they put into it. We certainly have that right. We should put the entire government in a glass house to keep it honest, regardless of whether it makes it a bit less "efficient".

      Seriously, what kind of strawman are you smoking? I said nothing about "you don't want to see that", or anything about efficiency (which is especially funny, because you put it in quotation marks). Oh dear, you didn't just read the word censorship and froth up in an irrational rage, did you? *shakes head*

      But, counterflamebaiting aside, it's an internal document that's being discussed internally. It isn't really the public's business yet because it isn't really a proposal yet. There's no guarantee that a genuine proposal will be made.

      Let me draw an analogy. Say you're working as an engineer of some sort, and you're trying to design something in its early stages. Your boss wishes to maintain constant updates with you, and so you grumble, but comply since he's the one paying for your services. He looks at your first mockup/mindstorm/what-have-you, notices you missed something crucial, and fires you on the spot.

      OK, in reality, your boss would be smart, cool, and level-headed enough to know that you can't judge work in its infancy, but replace the boss with a crowd of millions of people, half of which want your head on a platter, and things might not go so well.

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    14. Re:Come to Australia by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I've been making plans to get a job in another country.

      Good riddance, kindly fuck off. Australia will be much better off without your knee jerk fear mongering.

      This is about commercial web filters like Websense. Filters that cover the internet connection that the corporation pays for, why shouldn't they be able to do what they like with it?

      This is about a PRIVATE corporation deciding what can be accessed on their PRIVATE network. I may not agree with hard line Christians that want to block anything they disagree with but I can not nor will not stop them from doing so on their own bloody networks.

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    15. Re:Come to Australia by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Well first off, unlike a government, I'm not dictating any policy to my boss, so that analogy doesn't hold up. Being boss enables him to kill the project at any time, right up to completion. And I find nothing wrong with making my existing documentation available to him. He would be welcome to it at any time. That is what we should demand from a government. If they want to maintain authority over us, we must assure that the entire process remain completely open.. right from the start. That's the price. It's our little Sword of Damocles, so to speak. We don't have to be in the room shouting them down. They just have to know that we are watching. Or even if they don't know, I don't care. But their past performance indicates that watch we must, very closely

      I said nothing about "you don't want to see that"...

      That's the implication when defending government secrecy. It's like defending how ACTA is being dealt with. Sorry, I consider that unacceptable.

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    16. Re:Come to Australia by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Ditto - I've been away from home for 2 years now in the relatively civilised wilds of a first world nation and in a rapidly developing third world nation. I agree entirely - there's no place like home. You don't know how good you have it in Oz until you leave. We really are the lucky country.

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    17. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      I'm detecting less hostility and more courtesy, so I'll also tone it down a bit.

      Well first off, unlike a government, I'm not dictating any policy to my boss, so that analogy doesn't hold up.

      The government is not dictating a policy to us, so your take on reality doesn't hold up. It's a proposal. Under the analogy, a proposal for a law becomes a proposal for a project. Both, if they get anywhere, are high stakes for their respective "bosses", both "bosses" have to live with the changes, neither the engineer nor the government is currently forcing this upon us. That's what you don't seem to be getting.

      Being boss enables him to kill the project at any time, right up to completion.

      Sort of. A boss can't read your mind and kill your thought processes. A boss can only go by what you give him, and you don't give him your stupid or half-baked ideas.

      And I find nothing wrong with making my existing documentation available to him. He would be welcome to it at any time.

      I don't know about you, but I don't just blurt any old thing on paper and show it to my boss. When I have an idea, I vet it with first myself, then the people around me. Only when it becomes a semi-serious, approaching plausible thing that I actually show it to my boss.

      That is what we should demand from a government. If they want to maintain authority over us, we must assure that the entire process remain completely open.

      I think that there's a line. On one hand, issues that are immediately relevant and important to the public should be disclosed (or at least, be freely requestable). On the other hand, I believe that it is the right of anyone, including politicians in power, to discuss internal affairs privately. I don't believe, for example, that we should put cameras in parliament and in politician's homes, and provide 24 hour public access via the internet.

      It's a little bit of an extreme example, but I was hoping that if I could show an example of something that exists on the other side of the line, you might acknowledge the line exists.

      That's the implication when defending government secrecy. It's like defending how ACTA is being dealt with. Sorry, I consider that unacceptable.

      It speaks volumes about you when you assume openly that there's only one argument for (any) government secrecy, and that it's automatically unacceptable, regardless of content. I like to (attempt to) maintain a naive view of humanity, that people will eventually assess your opinions and arguments on their merits, rather than on their prejudices. I'm truly hoping you won't disappoint me.

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    18. Re:Come to Australia by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      I don't believe, for example, that we should put cameras in parliament and in politician's homes, and provide 24 hour public access via the internet.

      Parliament should have cameras, their homes no.. unless they wish regulate what we do in our homes, in which case there most definitely should be cameras in theirs. I give a person authority only if I believe them to be better than me, or if I can be assured they can live by the rules they set forth. And in the process they must prove that they are better, more civilized. Their job requires that higher standard. Our obligation is to hold them to it, and presently that requires close monitoring. They have to earn our trust. They can't just demand it.

      It's important that we have the power to kill off a proposal before it ever comes close to being a part of any legislation. If we don't, they will just slip it in through some back door. I believe the saying goes, nip it at the bud, before it becomes too big to kill. If they resist giving out the info, we are reduced to speculation and have every reason to expect the worst. That is much more harmful to the democratic process than laying it all out in the open from the start.

      ...I was hoping that if I could show an example of something that exists on the other side of the line...

      I can wait... If you do find something, I'll be more than happy to hear what it could be... Because outside of military tactics and strategy during legitimate wartime activities, and a citizen's personal effects, I have yet to see a single thing that should be kept secret by government. We need the equivalent of the airport scanner to put them through. Fair's fair.

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    19. Re:Come to Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. In North Korea, you can expect to slowly die by unspeakable acts of torture for even considering to look at, much less use, a computer that might be connected to the Internet, censored or not.

      Seriously. Comparing Australia with North Korea is ridiculous, insulting hyperbole. Even East Germany was a beacon of freedom by comparison.

    20. Re:Come to Australia by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      :-) Looks like we would be more on topic over here.

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    21. Re:Come to Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear! Australia has a *proposed* internet filter.

      What it doesn't have is the DMCA, the PATRIOT act's restrictions, 2257 and the like, all legislation that has been in place for *years* in the US, and yet somehow the US has 'free' internet and Australia is 'north korea-like'.

    22. Re:Come to Australia by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Parliament should have cameras, their homes no.. unless they wish regulate what we do in our homes, in which case there most definitely should be cameras in theirs.

      You see, I think this is unfair. Parliament should be held under the same laws as us, but not unduly punished. If they pass a law that extends to behaviour in our homes, then they should have to obey that law in their homes, and that's about it.

      Also, the phrase "unless they wish [to] regulate" is a little bit disingenuous because often these laws are taken from cues from the community. For the most part, their wish is to be re-elected. It seems counter-intuitive to punish them for doing their job.

      I give a person authority only if I believe them to be better than me, or if I can be assured they can live by the rules they set forth. And in the process they must prove that they are better, more civilized. Their job requires that higher standard. Our obligation is to hold them to it, and presently that requires close monitoring. They have to earn our trust. They can't just demand it.

      We already monitor them closely. We give them a little bit of privacy because, well, it's a basic human right. The level of privacy that I'm talking about is considerably lower than the average person on the street, or even the average celebrity. We have plenty of material to judge what kind of leaders they are, and we don't need access to their thought processes to decide that.

      As for trust, forget it. If they perform the requisite actions for you to trust them (assuming such a sequence of actions even exists), all they'll do is lose somebody else's trust, and have them disgruntled and calling for the total decimation of their privacy.

      It's important that we have the power to kill off a proposal before it ever comes close to being a part of any legislation.

      We do. We don't have the power to kill the thought processes in a politician's brain however. We get the power once it becomes a proposal, not before. Otherwise it misleads the public, who end up thinking the soon to be proposed law is much worse than it really is. Like I said, it would be more akin to misinformation than it would information.

      Actually, it's kind of ironic the way that SMH dealt with this. The highly censored document was released in that way so as not to give the public misleading impressions, and they report about it by taking one misleading quote out of context, and basing the entire article around it.

      I can wait... If you do find something, I'll be more than happy to hear what it could be

      My 24 hour camera idea, in a time this side of the invention of a mind-reading machine, is about the most invasive proposition I can think of, and you didn't rule it out. To your credit, you did put a condition on it, but that condition is satisfied by, for one, marijuana legislation, and considering the public support for marijuana legislation, the government has no choice but to keep on satisfying this condition. Basically, in effect, you're saying that we should go with my 24 hour camera proposal. So, since my ugliest, most inhumane proposal didn't take, I'll have to accept that, for you, there is no line, and try a different tact.

      I know you said that we should hold politicians to a higher standard. I agree, but we must remember that they're human beings. They do have rights, and they do have needs. Do you know anyone who would willingly take a job, whereby they're held under such intense surveillance that their very thoughts could get them fired? Can you possibly imagine what it's like? You can argue about higher standards, the price of freedom, and issues of trust until your mouth bleeds, but in the end, if nobody wants to run the country, we're pretty much screwed.

      We need to afford politicians some basic rights. They are our servants, not our slaves. Currently, we have a kind of balance

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    23. Re:Come to Australia by dpastern · · Score: 1

      Well, really, most stuff is blocked because employers don't want you being able to serf the net (I deliberately misspelt serf wrong by the way). There's a real need for vox populi. Good on her for starting up a party with some aims to retain people's rights.

      These lack of freedoms in some countries (like North Korea for example) do not make it right for "modern", western countries like Australia to remove our rights.

      As an employee, if my employer blocked that political site, but not others, I would take it up with them, and if need be, industrial relations. If they're going to deliberately block it because they dislike its policies, then they should be blocking all political parties websites. The employer might argue that I'm not allowed to serf the web, but what about when I'm @ lunch? I guess if employers had their own way, we'd be working 20 hour days for 50c an hour with no lunch breaks, no toilet breaks and slave drivers with whips at the ready. You'd probably support that as well by the sounds of it. It's people like you that shit me, it's people like you that encourage governments to take away our rights.

      Dave

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    24. Re:Come to Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been investing in cash on hand, firearms, canned food and get-the-fuck-out-of-here kit.

      There is nowhere else to run, son. The only place left is south america and everyone asks "do they even have internet there?"

    25. Re:Come to Australia by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      I think it is reasonable for an employer expect you to be working 35 hours a week if there is work to be done. If you are surfing political websites, it probably means you are not working. Some employees can be trusted to use their own discretion to control the websites they visit and kill time strictly when time must be killed and only then in a way that does not disturb others. In some forms of work, there is always something to, always something to be improved and employees are expected to take some control and initiative in finding new tasks. In other situations, the work flow is not constant, employees finish assigned tasks and wait for new ones. In the first situation, I see no real issue with blacklisting since the employer is already providing stimulating work. In the second, perhaps it is cruel to deny employees stimulation through reading websites.

      As for why this is blocked and not others, just imagine who's job it is to build a blacklist by looking at DNS records. If they are even in Australia, they are probably paid $15/hr, don't know about the "sex party" and don't really care about their work. If they are in India, they probably have not heard of any Australian political party, let alone the tiny ones. One of them had "sexparty.org.au" or whatever flash up on their screen and hit "block" because honestly, the term _does_ sound like it means "orgy" to most Australians who think about sex a whole lot more than politics. This really sounds like it is more likely to be a slip up than any actual political censorship.

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    26. Re:Come to Australia by dpastern · · Score: 1

      35 hours? Crikey, what planet are you on? Australians are now #2 in the world for longest working hours. Factor in our shit roads, and absolutely crappy public transport and there's a few more hours. Does my employer pay for me fucking 3 hours of my life over travelling to and fro work? Nope. That's time wasted as far as I'm concerned that I *can't* get back.

      A blacklist doesn't go by DNS records btw. DNS might be used to gather information on the site, but that's about all. The blocking will most likely be based on a string based blocking system, probably a cheap assed one at that. Probably cos it had the word "sex" in it. I mean, sex is such a dirty thing (please note the extreme sarcasm in my tone). If sex is so bad, please bosses, don't fuck anymore. That way, the bosses don't breed little snotty nosed spoilt fucktards onto the planet that will be future bosses that fuck the masses around.

      Bosses usually get paid a lot, for doing very little, and what little they usually do, they fuck up, which they usually conveniently blame on the staff underneath them btw.

      My bosses were looking at hiring to replace one of the girls that's leaving. I could hear them talking about "we're not getting a guy to do the job, it MUST be a female, because we *only* accept females for administration roles". That's blatant discrimination, and blatantly illegal. And they know it. Yet, they still break the law. I don't have much pity for bosses, sorry.

      If what you say is true, then why the fuck do I have a job description? If I've done my job, as per my job description, why should I get punished with more work because some other employee fucktard is lazy and sits on their ass? Blood, meet stone. We work longer hours, for less and less effective pay, for shittier conditions, with less rights. This country is going down the gurgler fast from an employee point of view. We're becoming a mini America, and that's just fucked. If I wanted to be an American, I'd go and move over there. But since I hate the US system, which is even worse than here in Australia, no thank you. I'd rather go live in hell. Seriously. Australia is fast approaching the turdville that America is.

      I make no apologies for my comments.

      Dave

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    27. Re:Come to Australia by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you don't like your job. You can find a new one or work for yourself. Alternatively, because you live in Australia, not America you can enrol in a university or TAFE program and collect enough money to live on from the government.

      The #1 thing Australia has that the US doesn't have for workers is the dole. Not that workers collect the dole mind you (because they work), but because all jobs must pay a fair bit more than than as the dole for an Australian to want to do it. Australia has half the unemployment of the US and unemployment is also less scary meaning that workers are much more valuable and have more bargaining power. The minimum wage in the US is $7.25, Australia's is more than double that and most people pay more.

      Anyway, as I said before, Australians have no idea about what the rest of the world is like and I think you just want to rant and bitch about your current employment (which you should quit if you hate it so much).

      Also, I think hiring female administrators is a good idea in companies with mostly male workers, since it will lead to a more balanced atmosphere and seem much less like being at sea. It is very easy to find female administrators so it might be an easy way to adjust the gender balance.

      But seriously, just quit your job, there are many others.

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    28. Re:Come to Australia by dpastern · · Score: 1

      No thank you (to quitting my job). All employers are like this these days, so, unless you work for yourself, then you just have to put up with it (but, that doesn't mean you have to *like* it).

      "dole". No such thing. I'm an ex Centrelink employee (did Six years, 2nd largest office in the country btw), there never has been official name of "dole" for Newstart Allowance. It's slang.

      The US doesn't give a shit about people. Their government can afford trillions of dollars on wars. Trillions of dollars on bailing out the filthy rich who were not responsible with other people's money. Those bastards should have all been locked up for life, and every bit of their personal properties confiscated and used to pay off the debts that they accumulated. Instead, the US has one of the largest homeless populations. One of the world's poorest medical systems. An education system that focuses on sporting achievements instead of academic ones. Shall I go on? Oh yeah, a prison system that is clearly NOT solving their crime problems. And then there's the horrid death sentence, barbaric, immoral, and clearly not solving and deterring crime.

      I know people who have been, and lived in America. They do not have kind words about it. Saying Australia is great because you're comparing it to such a shit country doesn't cut it.

      As to hiring female administrators over males, that's discrimination buddy. Of course, you probably like breaking the law.

      Oh, and minimum wage? I guess the rich have to get richer someway, don't they? Slavery is still well and truly alive in the US of A.

      Dave

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  4. sex party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is this a real political party or just a joke?

    If it is a real party, what are their policies?

    I know .au has a legal requirement to vote, and preferential voting, so I am not surprised if they get this sort of thing.

    1. Re:sex party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From Wikipedia (ie. probably authored by them, but still they're obviously serious):
      Censorship
              * Bring about the establishment of a truly national classification scheme which includes a uniform non-violent erotica rating for explicit adult material for all jurisdictions and through all media including the Internet and computer games.
              * Introduce an R and X rating for computer games.
              * To overturn mandatory ISP filtering of the Internet (see Internet censorship in Australia) and return Internet censorship to parents and individuals.
              * Oppose mandatory retention of all Australian users' internet browsing history and emails by ISPs for at-will inspection by law enforcement agencies, and support strong judicial oversight over the ability of law enforcement to access individuals' internet and email data.

      Education
              * To bring about the development of a national sex education curriculum as a first step in preventing the sexualisation of children.
              * Development of a national internet education scheme for parents.

      Equality
              * To enact national anti-discrimination laws which make it illegal to unfairly discriminate against people or companies on the basis of job, occupation, profession or calling.
              * To bring about equal numbers of men and women in the Parliament through enabling the Federal Discrimination Act to have jurisdiction extending to political parties.
              * To create total equal rights in all areas of the law for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.
              * Overturn racist laws that ban Aboriginal people from possessing erotic and sexual media in the Northern Territory.
              * Ensure the sexual rights and freedoms of the disabled and elderly.

      Health
              * To enact national pregnancy termination laws along the same lines as divorce law -- which allow for legal, no-fault, guilt-free processes for women seeking termination.
              * The listing of Viagra, Cialis, and other drugs used to treat sexual dysfunction, on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
              * Overturn restrictions on aid to overseas family planning organisations that reference abortion.

      Protection of children
              * Convene a Royal Commission into child sex abuse in the nation's religious institutions.
              * Develop global approaches to tackling child pornography which focus on detection and apprehension of the producers of the material.

      Workplace relations
              * Ensure that the introduction of paid maternity leave is fair and equitable for small businesses.
              * Abolish sex slavery and sexual servitude by introducing non morality-based immigration policies that allow bona-fide sex workers to work legally in Australia.

      Other
              * Ending the tax exempt status for religions.

    2. Re:sex party? by deniable · · Score: 1

      Compared to the regular crop of nut-bags we get holding the balance of terror in the Senate, these ones are at least easier on the eye. If they do less than Steve Fielding, we're ahead. I know, but my motto is "Aim low, you'll never be disappointed."

    3. Re:sex party? by sirlark · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have a look at their actual website, if they are a 'joke party', I gotta say their policies look legit and sensible to me, but then I'm a sexual liberal, so what do I know?

    4. Re:sex party? by stimpleton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "so I am not surprised if they get this sort of thing."

      What sort of thing is that?

      This is democracy at work. Dont vote for them then. Once you start suppressing who can run for parliament you may as well start putting out the tenders for Gulag construction now.

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    5. Re:sex party? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its a real party if you can vote for them. If I get a chance here in Victoria I will put them ahead of Labour.

    6. Re:sex party? by SpazmodeusG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So they're the exact opposite of the fundamentalists?

      They have my vote then.

    7. Re:sex party? by travellersside · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They sound astonishingly sane. Sadly, I don't think that they have a snowball's chance in hell of doing too well, as they're going to step on far too many toes. But this is still one of the sanest platforms I've seen.

    8. Re:sex party? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Hard to argue with those demands. Of course, while on the one hand it's fairly broad for a "sex party", there are still a lot of areas that aren't covered at all -- economic policies, environmental policies, foreign relations, etc, etc.

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    9. Re:sex party? by MoeDumb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do they have Aussie bestiality bondage? Tie me kangaroo down, sport!

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    10. Re:sex party? by timbo234 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the wikipedia info is a copy-paste of their policy page: http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/policies

      Anyway reading through it it shows a stunning amount of common-sense, practicality and rationality. Really the Labor party should dump the shit that's currently in their social policies and replace it verbatim with this and they might be back on track.

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    11. Re:sex party? by wvmarle · · Score: 2, Funny

      From Wikipedia (ie. probably authored by them, but still they're obviously serious):

      This looks like a copy-paste from the sex party's own web site, the text at a glance is identical as what I just read there. So this is surely authored by them.

      And when it comes to the core points of what a political party stands for, asking them directly is of course the most reliable way to get trustworthy information.

    12. Re:sex party? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parties like this don't necessarily need to be elected to make an impact. If nothing else they force the status quo to:

      A) Admit there's an alternative to what is commonly perceived as "the way things are"
      B) Publicly take a stance on a number of issues.

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    13. Re:sex party? by n0rr1s · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know if the UK has a similar party? They sound like the kind of people I would vote for.

  5. Re:As an Australian... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I couldn't care if it was 14, 14,000, 14,000,000 or just 1 person. Blocking a political party because "sex" is in the name is wrong. If you can't figure out why, you're part of the problem with those that want to stomp on democracy.

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  6. Re:As an Australian... by deniable · · Score: 1

    Have you seen some of their campaign workers. I'm expecting someone to elect "Five Cougars, thanks."

  7. Re:As an Australian... by jamesh · · Score: 1

    As one of the few parties putting censorship up as one of their most visible policies I hope that their voters will number more than 14. Unfortunately there are a whole load of other important issues going on here in Australia at the moment and you only get the one vote. You can apportion preferences accordingly but in the end you're still only deciding on one candidate.

  8. No polticial free speech... by Gavin+Rogers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Australia may rank 16th on the Press Freedom Index, But unfortunately Australia doesn't have US 1st Amendment-like protection for political free speech. (The High Court has ruled that it's heavily implied in the constitution, but it's not absolutely stated). There's no "You can't block that, it's political free speech!" kind of laws.

    1. Re:No polticial free speech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that a 1st Amendment style protection would help in this case since the blocking is not being done by the Government.

    2. Re:No polticial free speech... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The first amendment wouldn't apply here - a private employer has every right to block whatever they wish, it's not a freedom of speech issue.

    3. Re:No polticial free speech... by SJ2000 · · Score: 1

      There's no "You can't block that, it's political free speech!" kind of laws.

      To quote myself:

      [...]many of Australia's rights are "implied" in the constitution and exist merely through the High Court's "creative" interpretations. Such as the implied right for Political speech in Australian Captial Television Pty Ltd v. Commonwealth (1992) which was also extended in 1994 in Theophanous v. The Herald And Weekly Times. Australia also took an active role in 1948 when drafting the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. Unfortunately, many attempts to introduce entrenched Human Rights into the constitution such Lionel Murphy in 1973 and 1985 with the Federal attorney-general have failed before they even reached the stage of a referendum.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=436328&cid=22244392

      And if you compare it with other countries which do have explicit rights, it all comes down to how the courts interpret it anyway (Just take a look at the US). Mind you, I think even ethically I don't see why blocking access to anything from a corporate network is bad, in today's highly networked world it's hard to argue you're depriving anyone of anything and with even high profile sites being targeted by malware and hackers you could even argue that the company is blocking an infection vector. Think that's unlikely? Just the other day the Australia Greens Party website had an SQL validation 'problem' with it's electorate search...

    4. Re:No polticial free speech... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The first amendment didn't seem to stop the US from being down at number 20, below a lot of other countries that didn't have such constitutional rights, and didn't stop it being even further down, past number 30, back in 2008, with 2007 being an even lower point.

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    5. Re:No polticial free speech... by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      The 1st Amendment is little more than a toothless catch phrase now.

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    6. Re:No polticial free speech... by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

      The first amendment wouldn't apply here - a private employer has every right to block whatever they wish, it's not a freedom of speech issue.

      The amendment would not apply because its scope is limited to government, indeed, but it is a freedom of speech issue. The concept of freedom of speech is independent of the legal framework devised to protect it. Private censorship is still censorship.

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    7. Re:No polticial free speech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then Americans need to stop propagating the lie that they have freedom of speech any more than the rest of the world does.

    8. Re:No polticial free speech... by coerciblegerm · · Score: 1

      Private censorship is still censorship.

      Censorship, in the context of being a free speech issue, only applies to government restriction upon it. Are you free to go home and view the website? Then there's no free speech ramifications. At work, your job is to do your job; visiting the Sex Party's website probably doesn't fall into that category for most workers.

    9. Re:No polticial free speech... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Private censorship is still censorship.

      Censorship, in the context of being a free speech issue, only applies to government restriction upon it. Are you free to go home and view the website? Then there's no free speech ramifications. At work, your job is to do your job; visiting the Sex Party's website probably doesn't fall into that category for most workers.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia#Policy_of_current_Federal_Government

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  9. Re:As an Australian... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can figure out why you think it's wrong. Perhaps you can similarly figure out why I think that forcing private companies to use their internet connections a certain way is wrong.

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  10. Re:As an Australian... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    For a long time the system where I work blocked games.slashdot.org because it had games in the name. They don't block general news sites but some sites are banned on the grounds of "Entertainment". They have a process where you can argue for sites to be permitted but frankly I would just go outside the office and use the free wifi on my eee 701. Its easier and more likely to succeed.

  11. Re:As an Australian... by Mr+Stubby · · Score: 0

    haha i shoulda guessed this would get modded down, its hard to explain the Australian sense of humour.. But that said being blocked by a corporate web filter because it has sexual related links with some graphic content and has triggered its rules or whatever has little or nothing to do with democracy.

  12. Gotta be a condom joke here, somewhere . . . by wrencherd · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Prophylactic filters foil fornicators' free forum . . . film at five!"

  13. Re:As an Australian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blocking a political party because "sex" is in the name is wrong. If you can't figure out why, you're part of the problem with those that want to stomp on democracy.

    This is the age of context-free grammars in natural languages..

  14. CORPORATE filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... That means, filters on the work floor, right? Who cares? You shouldn't be doing politics while you work anyway.

    1. Re:CORPORATE filters by countertrolling · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You shouldn't be doing politics while you work anyway.

      Absolutely.. I don't like working with people who are under the influence of any mind altering substances.

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  15. Re:As an Australian... by eulernet · · Score: 1

    Blocking a political party because "sex" is in the name is wrong. If you can't figure out why, you're part of the problem with those that want to stomp on democracy.

    This is a side effect.

    This has nothing to do with democracy, and everything to do with bandwidth availability.
    At my company, we set up DansGuardian, which is probably the same filter used here.
    DansGuardian can block sites based on their URL (or reverse DNS), by keywords filtering (a word can block a link), and content filtering.

    Because we have bandwidth problems (in this case, people at work abusing it), DansGuardian was installed.
    It was first configured to use all the possible filters, but after a few days, we realized that it was not possible to do anything because of the settings.
    So now, there is no more keyword filtering nor content filtering.

    However, we are trying to monitor the bandwith to find who abuses the system.
    Recently, one of the employees streamed 800 megabytes, meaning that he watched something on TV during 2 hours during work hours !
    Now, this site is blocked, and I'm pretty sure it contains political insights, but frankly, why do you consult such sites AT WORK ?

    Accessing sex from work could be dangerous for your job.

    If you really want to watch sex, just do it from your home.

  16. Gives an entirely new meaning to... by vakuona · · Score: 1

    ...swing voters.

  17. corporate, people. by Triv · · Score: 1

    CORPORATE. CORPORATE filters block access to the website from within their PRIVATE CORPORATE NETWORKS. Companies can filter the web searches of their employees however they please. How is this in any way close to news?

    1. Re:corporate, people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this in any way close to news?

      Um, perhaps because AU is currently in the process of establishing a COUNTRY-WIDE internet filter, douchington? Perhaps even indicated by the mention of the "mandatory internet filtering proposal" in the FUCKING SUMMARY? Goddamn you shills are retarded.

    2. Re:corporate, people. by Triv · · Score: 1

      Douchington? Nice one, but troll harder.

        If the Australian government was filtering internet access to its citizenry that prevented access to political party websites, that would be a problem. But that's not what this article is about - the article's about companies keyword-restricting access to potentially inappropriate websites from computers on their networks. This is a spectacularly common thing for a company to do, but who cares? It's a private network. They can admin it how they like.

        The fact that the first part would be news doesn't make the second part news because they're about similar things.

  18. Did they even think about this one? by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

    You know, I know this is in the context of a business, but if you're going to name your political party the Sex Party, do you even stop and think about it? Are they allowed to run ads during prime time? Are you going to have 8-year-old asking, "Daddy, what does sex mean?" I'm not sure I'd vote for a party that put me through that kind of hassle.

    1. Re:Did they even think about this one? by amck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Had you thought that this might be the point of naming it so ?

      Breaking down taboos about talking about such matters is ones of their aims. My daughter is 7 and long past asking such questions: she knows google and the internet and will look it up herself, even with filters on the PC. While most of the nastier bits of life have not been covered yet, kids at that age need to know the basics; what sex is, why you don't post personal details to the net, etc.

      The idea of keeping kids ignorant until their 18 simply isn't an option, and honest, healthy discussion of such topics, rather than treating _adults_ in an infantile manner to preserve false innocence is part of the Sex Partys platform.
       

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    2. Re:Did they even think about this one? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you going to have 8-year-old asking, "Daddy, what does sex mean?" I'm not sure I'd vote for a party that put me through that kind of hassle.

      "Sex is the difference between men and women. When you fill out forms, they have a question about sex and you answer boy or girl." Wow, what a hassle.

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    3. Re:Did they even think about this one? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you going to have 8-year-old asking, "Daddy, what does sex mean?"

      Pfft, as though it's uncommon for an 8 year old to ask that kind of question...or to hear the word sex used for that matter.

      I'm not sure I'd vote for a party that put me through that kind of hassle.

      Tough cookies. Your punishment for having sex is to educate the next generation about it ;-)

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    4. Re:Did they even think about this one? by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I'd vote for a party that put me through that kind of hassle.

      Obviously you wouldn't vote for them anyway, so no loss.

    5. Re:Did they even think about this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really that's a hassle?
      you can't even tell an 8 year old that men fuck woman and some men like to fuck men and some woman like to fuck woman?
      what is wrong with this world?!

    6. Re:Did they even think about this one? by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      You know, I know this is in the context of a business, but if you're going to name your political party the Sex Party, do you even stop and think about it? Are they allowed to run ads during prime time? Are you going to have 8-year-old asking, "Daddy, what does sex mean?" I'm not sure I'd vote for a party that put me through that kind of hassle.

      And see THIS kind of retardedness is EXACTLY why THE GOVERNMENT thinks it's OK to censor the internet.

      oh look it says "SEX" - WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN

      (ie insert knee-jrek reaction here)

      The FUNNY thing is, supposedly this is all about *stopping* those people who are constantly thinking about children (ie the paedophiles).

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    7. Re:Did they even think about this one? by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

      When you fill out forms, they have a question about sex and you answer boy or girl.

      So "Yes, please" is not the correct answer?

      That explains a lot about those rejected forms...

    8. Re:Did they even think about this one? by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

      So, if I understand you right, you're saying the conversation goes like this:

      "I don't really want to be talking to my 8-year-old about sex."

      "Well, too bad. You should, and we're calling ourselves the Sex Party."

      "Wow, you totally changed my mind!"

      Um, yeah... not so much. This logic is a lot like atheists calling religious people stupid and expecting that to convert them to atheism.

    9. Re:Did they even think about this one? by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

      Pfft, as though it's uncommon for an 8 year old to ask that kind of question...or to hear the word sex used for that matter.

      It isn't? It should be.

      Maybe that's part of what's created the rise of prostitots? No one trying to keep sex away from children?

  19. Enough Already ! by daveime · · Score: 1

    Can we stop with the sensationalist non-stories about people sitting behind corporate intranet filters.

    Just because you use a computer at work, that doesn't mean you have carte blanche to surf wherever and whenever you want. You are there to work, not play Farmville.

    And what corporate filter WOULDN'T have the word "sex" on it's blacklist ?

    There are no sinister connotations, no "big-brother" censorship issues, this is simply what's called a false-positive.

    Nothing more to see, please move along.

    1. Re:Enough Already ! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      And what corporate filter WOULDN'T have the word "sex" on it's blacklist ?

      Maybe if the computers doing the censoring had used a little common sense, the Australian Sex Party wouldn't be in this mess. But, no, they had to use a blacklist. How crude.

  20. Re:As an Australian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're mixing up two distinct issues here into one.

    1) There are bad(cheap) corporate site filters that exist for a valid reason and they block a political party, this might be because it has the word sex in the url.
    2) The Australian government wants to introduce a mandatory filter, this has completely valid reasons for existing also.

    I can figure out why it isn't wrong to block url's with sex in the url (it's 99% of the time it's going to be correct - and it's cheaper than checking them all), and I'm pretty certain I'm not part of the problem with those that want to stomp on democracy.

    Who is part of the problem are people who want to make rash blanket statements and not listen to the arguments.

  21. Read it wrong by nten · · Score: 3, Informative

    The GP probably read the summary wrong like I did. If I had RTFA, I would have realized that it wasn't the great firewall of OZ blocking information about a political party (which would have been anti-democracy), it was instead a sensationalistic bit about a few corporate web-filters blocking the site.

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    1. Re:Read it wrong by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Gah. I really should have figured that one out. :-)

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    2. Re:Read it wrong by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

      For those of you who are saying "this is just a private organization so it does not matter" I have to say you are all missing the point.

      Irrespective of *why* A_FIlter is being applied, this is a CLEAR EXAMPLE of why filters are stupid, pointless, destructive and MUST never be government mandated.

      Never. Absolutely Never. Not for ANY reason should the government FORCE EVERYONE to submit to "a filtered internet".

      why?Because stupid shit like THIS INCIDENT will happen, and whether that is accidental or deliberate is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

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    3. Re:Read it wrong by coerciblegerm · · Score: 1

      For those of you who are saying "this is just a private organization so it does not matter" I have to say you are all missing the point. Irrespective of *why* A_FIlter is being applied, this is a CLEAR EXAMPLE of why filters are stupid, pointless, destructive and MUST never be government mandated. Never. Absolutely Never. Not for ANY reason should the government FORCE EVERYONE to submit to "a filtered internet". why?Because stupid shit like THIS INCIDENT will happen, and whether that is accidental or deliberate is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

      But that's just it... there is no government filter, and there is no government mandate. Sensationalizing the story by making it into something it isn't is what misses the point; a private organization has the right to filter access on its own machines/networks, and should similarly be free from government mandates that take away the right to do as they wish with their own property.

  22. Re:As an Australian... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Recently, one of the employees streamed 800 megabytes, meaning that he watched something on TV during 2 hours during work hours ! Now, this site is blocked, and I'm pretty sure it contains political insights, but frankly, why do you consult such sites AT WORK ?

    I think a serious talk with that particular employee would be a better idea than just blocking that site.

  23. I don't think they're blocked because of "sex." by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

    I don't think they're blocked because of the word "sex." I think they're blocked because of the phrase "sex party."

    1. Re:I don't think they're blocked because of "sex." by Myopic · · Score: 1

      You are probably right. Which perfectly supports the accusation that phrase filtering is a stupid way to block websites.

      If parents want a safe internet, there is only one good solution that I have ever heard of: a human-generated whitelist.

  24. Where is /. and what did you do with him? by mjwx · · Score: 0

    This is about corporate web filters, things like Websense. What happened to the /. mantra of it's their (the corporations) internet connection and they can do what the hell they please on it.

    Hell, I know corporations which block any kind of political site under the category of "non productive" and they block a hell of a lot more then just political sites with that category.

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    1. Re:Where is /. and what did you do with him? by Smauler · · Score: 1, Informative

      The web filters are mandated by Australian law IIRC. There was a list published a while ago on wikileaks of all of the websites that were being blocked... some were not offensive at all.

    2. Re:Where is /. and what did you do with him? by Meski · · Score: 1

      Not at all. Not all corporates are blocking it, it has *nothing* to do with the government mandatory web filter that they are proposing.

    3. Re:Where is /. and what did you do with him? by euphemistic · · Score: 1

      Proposed web filter. The proposed and not yet implemented and not being implemented for the foreseeable future due to extreme unpopularity amongst other reasons web filter. I know it's a lot easier to ignore everything past the headlines, but at least try a little harder in the future before propagating such misinformation.

  25. Would their govt listing be Au or Gov or XXX by PDX · · Score: 1

    If their site is for promoting honest politics then they are one element short of a full deck. Liquor or beer.

  26. ExpertS' exChange by tepples · · Score: 1

    I can figure out why it isn't wrong to block url's with sex in the url (it's 99% of the time it's going to be correct)

    I dispute your claim that A. only 1% of accesses to domains matching /.*sex.*/ are accesses to safe-for-work domains, and B. these 1% are unimportant. Think of a word ending with S followed by a word starting with EX, like "Experts' Exchange" (before they added the hyphen) or "Australia's Exports".

    1. Re:ExpertS' exChange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ridiculous examples!

  27. Re:As an Australian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are confusing australian sense of humour with bad sense of humour. Sorry, but making a quip about the party that just had its site blocked is not particularly funny.

  28. Sex Party Dot Orgy by westlake · · Score: 1

    Had you thought that this might be the point of naming it so ?

    Yeah.

    But remember the price when you name your app "The GIMP?"

    Not every idea is a good idea.

    "sexparty.org." As in orgy? This has the feel of what passes for geek humor - not serious discussion.

  29. Re:As an Australian... by CrkHead · · Score: 1

    However, blocking political sites on a corporate network is perfectly reasonable.

    When a corporation decides to block certain content, that is _not_ censorship. That is a corporate policy that likely includes blocking other political sites.

    Try going to http://www.antiwar.com/ when you're next on a large corporation's network and see what the response is. Very likely the content will be blocked because it's catagorized as a political website. Then try xkcd.org and it'll likely be blocked because it's a humour site. The arguement for both those sites is that there is no company business that will be served by visiting them.

    Now, if the government was blocking the site to private individuals, we could have a censorship discussion.

  30. Mods are on crack today. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    The web filters are mandated by Australian law IIRC

    As an Australian sysadmin, you couldn't be more wrong.

    The proposed filter has been smacked down in parliament twice. It is not in any way shape or form mandated by law, this lie really really needs to die. Check these things before posting stupid comments in future.

    Also, mod's, check these things before modding up or down comments in the future. BTW, I do not use any form of content filtering, the kind of content you're not allowed to access is laid out in the AUP and you get fired for violating it.

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