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WikiLeaks 'a Clear and Present Danger,' Says WaPo

bedmison writes "In an op-ed in the Washington Post titled 'WikiLeaks must be stopped,' Marc A. Thiessen writes that 'WikiLeaks represents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States,' and that the US has the authority to arrest its spokesman, Julian Assange, even if it has to contravene international law to do so. Thiessen also suggests that the new USCYBERCOM be unleashed to destroy WikiLeaks as an internet presence." Reader praps tips an interview with another WikiLeaks spokesman, Daniel Schmitt, who says they have no regrets about releasing the Afghanistan documents, and says WikiLeaks is "changing the game." Several other readers have pointed out that WikiLeaks posted a mysterious, encrypted "insurance" file on Thursday, which sent the media into a speculative frenzy over what it could possibly contain.

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  1. The Washington Post.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So apparently The Washington Post presents a clear and present danger to public freedom and the accountability of government and industry.

    1. Re:The Washington Post.... by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So apparently The Washington Post presents a clear and present danger to public freedom and the accountability of government and industry.

      Keep in mind that this is an Op-Ed... NOT to be confused with a staff editorial.

      Mr. Thiessen's writing doesn't represent the WaPo directly. Only in their decision to run the article are they involved.

      In other words, don't think the WaPo is defending their bottom line, attacking accountability, etc. They have a pretty solid reputation for fighting for transparency.

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  2. I love it by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love that an organization is a danger because it reveals coverups and secrets to ordinary citizens.

    "But Pojut, our enemies will use this information against us!"

    Well then maybe we shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Doy.

    1. Re:I love it by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The danger is not revealing cover-ups. The danger is some of the ancillary information also revealed.

      I feel that wikileaks is a Good Thing; but I also acknowledge that there are some things that serve no purpose being released, and that put individuals in danger for no benefit.

      Responsible disclosure may be too much to ask for -- but I wish that dangerous information was redacted, unless there was some clear benefit to that information becoming public.

      I guess that would run counter to what wikileaks is all about... and it's a shame, because without responsible disclosure, wikileaks will, in effect, be shut down by the PTB.

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    2. Re:I love it by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I also acknowledge that there are some things that serve no purpose being released, and that put individuals in danger for no benefit.

      Humorously, if an American soldier dies for nothing, maybe for oil, or maybe just to profit the military industrial complex, they describe it as "he died to save our freedoms" and other assorted BS.

      On the other hand, if an American soldier dies because of our actual freedoms, such as freedom of speech, well, thats a clear and present danger, etc, etc, bs bs bs.

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    3. Re:I love it by GooberToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know they tried to completely purge names,

      The problem is, names are frequently not needed to identify an intelligence source. Made even worse, his arrogance is not enough to know what does and does not compromise a source.

      Without a doubt, at an absolute minimum, some innocent person and/or family is going to pay for his arrogance, with torture and their life.

    4. Re:I love it by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The reporters who disclosed those Iraq prison photos literally have the death and murder of a minimum of hundreds of people on their hands."

      What The Fuck?

      The people who were torturing and raping people have the responsibility.
      Not the reporters who let everyone know about it.

      If a reporter lets the public know about something horrific your country is doing they are not responsible for the backlash.
      Whoever was doing something horrific and whoever else knew about it and let it continue because they, like you, just want to let it slide quietly has that blood on their hands.

    5. Re:I love it by Cederic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No ifs, ands, or buts, this douche-bag has the blood of innocent people on his hands - and needlessly so. The people who leaked the information are traitors and should be treated as such. I honestly don't understand the mass ignorance of those willing to protect a negligent murderer; which is exactly what he is now.

      Exactly who are the innocent people that have died as a result of this leak?

      Precisely how did the people that leaked the information kill them?

      What makes someone a traitor for demonstrating how their country fails to obey its own laws and fails to provide the freedoms its citizens expects?

      Surely the murderers and traitors are the people killing innocent civilians, as documented and evidenced in the material being published? Or would you rather keep all that quiet, and let them get on with it?

      These days we have countless lives lost and protracted military involvement because of irresponsible disclosure and reporting.

      Oh. I see. Yes, you would rather hush up the misbehaviour of your own troops instead of admitting they're a bunch of racist predatory sadists that shouldn't have been allowed into the military in the first place, let alone put in positions of power over helpless people.

      Responsible disclosure is absolutely not too much to ask for.

      I think that reporting war crimes is the only responsible thing to do. If you don't like that, perhaps you should encourage the military not to commit them in the first place.

    6. Re:I love it by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what would also have prevented the backlash?
      not raping people.

      but no.

      It's not the good little soldiers faults!Not our boys in uniform!
      oh no!
      It's them nasty reporters who weren't good little patriots and didn't keep quiet.

    7. Re:I love it by GameMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Time and time again, over the course of many decades, the US military has show that it is completely willing to miss-classify information as "secret" if there is even a slight chance that it will be embracing to them, either individually or as an organization. Specifically, from the Vietnam war on to today, they have made it very clear, publicly, that they actively try to manipulate what information gets out for no other reason than to manipulate public opinion about their operations.

      The US is a representative democracy. It's one of the things we are most proud of and most defines us as a country. We don't get to micromanage what our elected officials/military do, but we do get to exert control over them every few years at election time. You can not have a functioning democracy if the government, actively, works to hide the truth from the voters. The entire concept of "controlling public opinion" should be considered a form of treason. If public opinion of a war or administration is only positive because the voters don't really know whats going on then what you have is a de-facto dictatorship/oligarchy.

      Wikileaks is a small group of people dealing with lots and lots of data. It's not surprising that they screwed up and released papers with personal info in them. The main point here, though, is that if the US military limited their "secret" information to only what was directly, operationally, vital and released all "secret" info in a timely manner when it didn't, absolutely, need to be confidential any more then there wouldn't be a need for Wikileaks. Like the release of the Pentagon papers before this, groups like Wikileaks have to exist, regardless of any collateral damage from mistakes, until such time as the people hiding the information start treating "state secrets" in a responsible manner.

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  3. a clear and prersent danger by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....and that the US has the authority to arrest its spokesman, Julian Assange, even if it has to contravene international law to do so.

    Sounds to me more like the United States is the clear and present danger. Particularly when they claim an authority and yet admit a conflict with international law.

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  4. Wikileaks is annoying... by Palestrina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but Marc Thiessen is downright scary. Secret indictments. Grabbing foreign citizens in other countries against local laws and extradition treaties. Are you kidding, Marc? Want to bring back the Alien and Sedition Acts while you're at it?

    I'm not sure that a regime where stuff like this happens is really worth protecting in the name of "national security".

    1. Re:Wikileaks is annoying... by Palestrina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that the US thinks it is legal under US law is not really the point, is it? What counts is jurisdiction. And if Marc proposes that the FBI grab foreign nationals in countries like Iceland, Sweden, etc., where it is against local law, then that is a problem with jurisdiction.

      If Swedish police caught the FBI grabbing an Australian citizen on Swedish soil, I assume that is a crime, regardless of what the U.S thinks about. How could it not be?

      Would the U.S. be happy if the Chinese starting grabbing Tibetan dissidents in the US, arguing that this is (hypothetically) allowed under Chinese law?

  5. Clear and Present Danger... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... to the mainstream media who are more interested in printing out press releases than going out and finding news.

  6. Re:srsly govt? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

    haven't you seen star wars? if you strike him down, he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    Dude, Julian Assange is not a Jedi. He won't come back as a ghost after death to advise Luke. If you strike him down, he'll be dead.

    And, sure, martyrs can have a power to move opinion that living people lack, but I'm not convinced this is one of those situations.

  7. The danger doesn't come from talking.... by eepok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The clear and present danger doesn't come from *talking* about the actions of the American government, but from the actions themselves.

    Newspapers didn't aid the Northern Vietnamese when they published the Pentagon Papers, but instead the Government and Military hurt the America with their secretive and malicious actions in Southeast Asia.

    Just the same, releasing more information about the military actions in Afghanistan (especially after taking all possible precautions to prevent harm before release) does not cause injury to the US. It's the actions the US is ashamed to talk about that cause the harm.

  8. Re:please oh please by bieber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eh, my guess is that if it really is an "insurance" file, then someone involved in whatever department the files pertain to has already received the key, decrypted it, and knows exactly what it is. After all, if you really want to blackmail someone, you don't benefit from keeping the information secret from the person you're trying to blackmail. "I have 1.4GB of very sensitive information but I won't tell you what it is" isn't going to be particularly persuasive when you're trying to stop someone from coming after you. On the other hand, "I have 1.4GB of very sensitive information, it's already on thousands or millions of people's computers, and here's the key so you can see what it really is" carries an awful lot of weight if it's really something you don't want people to see. And the beauty of posting it in encrypted form is that if whoever holds this particular insurance policy decides to call it into effect, the US government has to prevent not the dissemination of a 1.4GB file (which would be nigh-well impossible anyways) but a 256 bit key, and we've all seen how well trying to stop people from sharing a single hexadecimal string worked out for the HD-DVD folks ;) Of course, there's also the danger that the public could get together and crack your key with distributed computing, and then you lose your leverage...

  9. Re:I Do Not Love It by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As long as bad people exist, you will always need to keep certain information secured

    As long as bad people exist, you will always need to know what your government is doing in your name. Any solution to any problem which amounts to "trust the government to do the right thing" is wrong.

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  10. But only CORRECTLY classified works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But only CORRECTLY classified works. 99% of the classified works are incorrectly marked classified to hide malfeasance or just plain incompetency.

    See, for example, ACTA.

  11. Re:I Do Not Love It by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How would you respond if Wikileaks put up your credit card information, bank account numbers, social security number and all your known residences and acquaintances?

    Yeah, but that's not what they're doing, is it? Wikileaks isn't actually doing anything that our journalists wouldn't be doing, if they had the integrity to do their damned jobs.

  12. Time to step up by jridley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really need to write a check to Wikileaks. And EFF. And ACLU. This liberty thing could get expensive, what with us having to fund the fight against the people who we elected to uphold it, who are also using our money.

  13. Re:What about the insurance file? by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's one reason why this is a poor method of insurance. Suppose there's somebody out there with an even bigger axe to grind than Assange, who will stop at nothing to get the contents of this "insurance" file released. With over six billion people in the world, and a substantial number of them having a beef with the U.S., it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

    The implication here is that if something happens to Assange, then the key gets released. So, it logically follows that if you want the key to be released.......

    (For my own safety, I have no interest in the contents of that file. And while I personally think Julian Assange is a self-righteous ass, I don't wish physical harm on him or any of the other people involved with Wikileaks.)