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Boeing's Hybrid Electric Airliner of the Future
fergus07 writes "Borne out of the same NASA research program that gave birth to MIT's D 'double bubble,' Boeing's Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research (SUGAR) Volt concept is a twin-engine aircraft design notable for its trussed, elongated wings and electric battery gas turbine hybrid propulsion system — a system designed to reduce fuel burn by more than 70 percent and total energy use by 55 percent. The goal of the NASA supersonic research program is to find aircraft designs that will significantly reduce noise, nitrogen oxide emissions, fuel burn and air traffic congestion by the year 2035."
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The other planes....I just imagined the airline packing those suckers and having more than one middle seat. And you know they'll be charging extra for the window or the isle seat.
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You say you want to save massive amounts of energy, and then you show me a design that is not a flying wing. Slashdot, you have some aerospace engineers lying around, so help me out: what gives?
For the pictures, it looks like the subsonic airplane is equipped with turboprop engines - or are these propfans ? If so, our next generations airliners might very well be equipped with propellers again: Airbus is also considering propfans.
Boeing's Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research (SUGAR) Volt concept is a twin-engine aircraft design notable for its trussed, elongated wings and electric battery gas turbine hybrid propulsion system
I think they just should have tried a less ambitious project, like building a Flying Car, instead.
"Ultra Green?" So what's the superlative for that? "Giga Green?" "iGreen?" Or what?
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This isn't useful unless I can drive it on the roads.
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I had 'jet fuel' as on my list of things that wouldn't ever likely get replaced with electric storage, and now this reduces the list a bit. Can we just start putting up some modern nuclear reactors and get out of the Middle East then? We've got plenty of sources here for real oil needs.
No one has died of a radiation-related accident in the history of the U.S. civilian nuclear reactor program. but 10,000 or so Americans have died so far as a result of making war in the Middle East.
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It's hard to be excited about advances in air travel when, even after the nightmarish experience of going through security, I find myself herded like cattle into a cramped cabin. It's nice to imagine that this could lead to cheaper ticket prices, but airlines seem to be so deep in the red, that all it will probably mean is the same high ticket prices with slightly less airline bailout in the next go-around.
On the other hand, is any of this useful for private planes?
For planes there is an easy answer - liquid hydrogen is a pretty good fuel for big aircraft. Big planes do not have the same volume limitations of small aircraft and vehicles and the big saving in fuel weight means you can reduce the structural weight of the aircraft significantly. LH2 can also increase engine efficiency quite a lot.
It would be easy to provide LH2 infrastructure at airports, and can be produced by renewable power like nuclear or wind or solar.
So what is the advantage of a hybrid plane? Unless there has been some sort of breakthrough in battery technology, the extra weight your carrying around is going to use more energy. A discharged battery is not substantially lighter than a full one, whereas with liquid fuel tanks weigh a lot less when (nearly ) empty..
I guess you can get a bit of energy back on landing with regenerative braking, but not enough to make up for the extra weight.
Battery weight could certainly be an issue. I suppose though that you could start off fully charged on the ground and use that for a boost to get you aloft.
Something that comes to mind is that, AFAIK, in a hybrid system you try to keep the combustion engine turning at it's ideal RPM regardless of load. Assuming that's the case, would there be periods where you might have extra capacity beyond what's needed for the electric motors and other electrical systems? Let's assume there is - what do you do with it? Is there a good use for it? How about running an ozone generator in the upper atmosphere?
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Not to be pedantic, but... OK, I'll be pedantic.
The long tube supporting the wing (on the ground) is called a strut, not a truss.
What surprises people is that the strut actually holds the wing down in flight. Saves you the weight of designing for massive bending moments at the fuselage at the expense of more drag in flight.
That was the trade off the Gossamer Condor made to become the first human powered aircraft to pass whatever milestone it did - rather than take the weight associated with an internally braced structure, they went for the much lighter weight they could achieve with external wire bracing. At their slow speed, the drag associated with the bracing was less than the drag that would have been created as a product of lifting a heavier aircraft.
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"The goal of the NASA supersonic research program is to find aircraft designs that will significantly reduce noise, nitrogen oxide emissions, fuel burn and air traffic congestion by the year 2035."
Reduce air traffic congestion?
What? Are they solar powered and only fly on the sunny side o' Earth?
The article mentioned both air-speed decreases and fueling/loading times lowered. Both of those mean more airtime, which in turn means more planes in the air at any given time. How does that equate to "reduced air traffic congestion"?
Or, is this a more meaningful of example of "whoosh!"?
The sr71 took much less than 25 years concept to operational, less than ten. And that's about as advanced as it gets, for what we know that is publicly available, and dollars to doughnuts on a rope (contrails), they have better than that operating now.
They can do it faster if there is need, otherwise, they milk those things out for the big bucks.
With the compute power they have today...I bet they can go concept to working model in a few years if they really want to. Dragging out some design for twenty five years is pork barrel stuff.
Jet engines are already de-facto propeller engines. If you call it a "Fan" it doesn't sound as scary as "Propeller." In a high bypass turbofan engine such as those found in most modern aircraft, most of the thrust is produced by the fan part of the turbofan. For example, the CF-34 jet engine has a bypass ratio of 80% or better. This means 80% of the thrust is produced by spinning a fan. Newer designs like the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 get 84% thrust from the bypass fan. Basically, anything that can create radial motion can be use to turn that fan. Electric, steam, compressed air, .... {insert physics here}.
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The press release is devoid of details, but a google search turns up that they're decoupling the jet engine (which generates the power) from the bypass fan (which generates most of the thrust).
For those not up to speed on jet engine technology, modern turbofans are essentially ducted propellers. The engine itself occupies a small section in the center. It burns fuel and throws the air it consumes out the back at a higher speed. This generates about 20% of the total thrust. The rest of the energy goes into spinning the bypass fan blades. Just like a propeller, they grab large chunks of air which never goes through the combustion chamber, and push it out the back at higher speed to generate about 80% of the thrust.
In current engine designs, the blades of the two are locked together (although some of the compressor blades inside the engine may rotate at a different speed). For the bypass fan blades to be spinning, the engine must also be on and spinning. The idea behind this hybrid is to decouple them so they can operate independently of each other. The bypass fan would be spun using an electric motor. I don't know the numbers involved, but theoretically that would mean you could always run the jet engine at its most efficient RPM to generate electricity, and even turn it off if there's little thrust required and the batteries have enough juice to run the bypass fan (e.g. descent).
Do the math: It is far faster, more energy efficient and easy on the environment, to fly out of the atmosphere in a suborbital trajectory, reentering near your destination. Oh, but we have to wait for NASA to develop that and they are mothballing the shuttle program so it must be a non-starter. Right?
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Greetings from europe, as you may or may not remember we had supersonic flight readily available in Europe until slow ass airliners created for mass profits by Boeing and Airbus were deemed better (and safer lol) Now what Boeing is proposing is in fact an "ecofriendly" plane that is going to be even slower than today's already slow as hell airliners... Whilst it sounds good to be more "ecofriendly" and makes us feel less guilty about presumably fracking the earth it isn't going to happen anytime soon on any practical scale (read: doesnt take you 8 hours to get from Paris to NY) Guess I wont be flying on them slow-ass flying coffins any time soon. Feel free to mod flamebait but this is simply where I stand.
Stop using obsoleted imperial units of cutomary measurement and enter the world of metric SI. Then you will be able to develop astonishing new aircraft out of thin air in incredibly short time, just like von Braun, Kurt Tank and other nazi boffins did in the 1930-40s.
Did you notice how long it took the USA to overcome the russians in military aviation of the 1950-70's? Even though the soviet commies were merely copying and constucting leftover nazi german projects, they had the benefit of using metric, being able to race on with imperially-hindered USA.
Sorrowfully both Airbus and Boing still uses customary units during development and manufacture, which means the are literally inching towards the future of aviation, like a snail.
Nice to see Boeingnot relying on state funding for their research and development.
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All the cool crap we'll have in 25 years! Just think of what you had gadget wise in 1985...yeah me neither, now imagine 1995...yeah still not a lot but better...then think of 2005...holy crap it got better...now think of that progression 25 years into the future and tell me it wont kick ass!