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String Quartets On the Web?

rueger writes "Lots of people love iTunes. I'm partial to emusic.com. Ubuntu comes pre-equipped for Jamendo and Magnatune. These are great for those of us hunting popular music — but where do lovers of classical music go to find new artists and albums, download music, and generally keep informed, up to date, and satisfied? As my girlfriend put it, 'I used to go to the big classical record stores downtown, but they're gone.' Where do people go to find the newest Ligeti String Quartet recording?"

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  1. iTunes doesn't suck by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 3, Informative

    iTunes carries a pretty good classical catalog for a casual listener as myself. If you can't find what you want online maybe you could contact the artists/label directly? I can only imagine the website sells the cds if they aren't selling digitally through another outlet.

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    1. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by jandersen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Certainly if by "Classical" you mean "the usual suspects" or the "popular tunes" (a concept that is certain to make the real connoisseur shudder - not that I am one). Personally, I am a big fan of renaissance lute music, and for a specialised area as that, you have to attend the fora that exist for that sort of things; people there will know where to go and find what you want. Probably.

    2. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by Netssansfrontieres · · Score: 5, Informative

      IMHO: iTunes is (or at least was ... I stopped looking last year) pretty pathetic. Here's why. Suppose you want to listen to Bach suites for solo cello. Sure, they've got a version or two, but I want a version played by a master on a great instrument. Casals? Check, but old. Rostropovich? Nope, sorry.

      Or, I want to listen to something (a lot) more current: Kronos Quartet? Some. Alarm will sound? ok. Bang on a Can? Nope, sorry.

      It *does* seem to have both Glenn Gould recordings of Goldberg, which is an improvement (and, yes, they're very different).

      This, especially the latter observation is surely connected to the recent /. discussion about use of computer-controlled instruments. It seems to have taken iTunes a very long time indeed to understand that two recordings of the same piece, by different ensembles or performers, using different instruments, under different circumstances, reveal the piece in entirely different ways. They're not the same thing.

    3. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by Vintermann · · Score: 2, Informative

      Magnatune has a pretty OK selection of that sort of thing (renaissance lute music). There are rather many performers of early music compared to listeners, forcing some to try new avenues like Magnatune.

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    4. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by jandersen · · Score: 1

      There are rather many performers of early music compared to listeners

      Hmm, this may be because modern and classic (or should I say "newer classic"?) music are more "elitist" in many ways - although most people could probably learn to play it moderately OK-ish, there is a huge gap up to the professional musician. On the other hand, renaissance lute music is more balanced, in a way, in the sense that it is technically quite complex, but still not so difficult that most people couldn't achieve great satisfaction from playing, and the distance up to the very best lutenists doesn't seem quite so daunting.

      Interestingly, there is a disproportionate number of amateur lutenists with a background in the exact sciences.

    5. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by jonadab · · Score: 2, Funny

      > It *does* seem to have both Glenn Gould recordings of Goldberg,

      I'm not a big Glenn Gould fan. Does it have Feltsman's performance of the same piece? What about BWV 1079 and 1080, does it have Feltsman on those? Hector Olivera? What about the Munchinger string ensemble adaptation of both pieces? For that matter, do they have a string ensemble adaptation of the Goldberg variations? What Susanne Lautenbacher recordings do they have of Bach pieces?

      Meh. I'll just buy the CDs and rip them. The quality is better that way anyhow.

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    6. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by arose · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please consider supporting Musopen.

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    7. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by davidrose · · Score: 1

      yeah! i love itunes... http://learnwithmariogarcia.com/

    8. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      It's not classical, and it's even rather cheesy, but consider Ritchie Blackmore's jump into starry-eyed romantic renaissance-inspired music with his wife:

      Too many stars for one sky to hold,
      some will fall, others are sold
      (!)
      as the fields turn to gold
      down at the renaissance faire.

      A not-very subtle way of saying he didn't care about popular or critical success anymore, he just wanted to have fun making the music he liked, and go to creative anachronism-events.

      It looks to me the basic reasoning is similar in "real" classical renaissance music: It's often something career classical musicians do on the side, as something less serious and more fun, without the ridiculous pressure and competition - because everyone knows there really isn't a commercial market for it.

      Many who do it full time, I think, do it because they want to get away from the rat race, or not be in it in the first place.

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    9. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by Golddess · · Score: 1

      If you can't find what you want online maybe you could contact the artists/label directly?

      And how would you do that if you are looking for new artists/labels you've not heard of before?

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    10. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by sunup · · Score: 1

      Tried Musopen. Twice. Both times I got an error: "Document was encrypted. Legal restrictions prevent us from showing encrypted documents". Outstanding.

    11. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by arose · · Score: 1

      Document? You mean the sheet music PDFs? I just tested a random one and it opened fine...

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    12. Re:iTunes doesn't suck by sunup · · Score: 1

      Yes, a document. Two random ones. Both failed to open and threw the "waaaa encryption" error.

  2. Amazon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=The%2BParker%2BQuartet%2BLigeti&x=12&y=16&fsc=-1

    DRM-free MP3s to boot.

    1. Re:Amazon? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Amazon's great for CDs, but as a denizen of the world outside of the US, I find they usually don't offer the advertised downloads. You can click through the links, only to be told at the final stages of the transaction that you're out of luck.

      But in practice, for classical music I only buy CDs anyway. Assuming they aren't badly recorded, they are pretty much always superior to the more common levels of audio compression. Classical music has a habit of exposing defects in compression much more than most "plugged-in" bands. There are some artists, however, such as Jacob Heringman who do offer their recordings as uncompressed .wav files that you can burn to CD or play directly.

      That doesn't mean I don't use compressed file on my iPod, I just accept that the latter is used in conditions where sound reproduction doesn't matter as much.

    2. Re:Amazon? by gmack · · Score: 1

      Forget the ipod for classical. I much prefer a music player with FLAC support and a decent pair of ear canal headphones. My Sennheiser CX 270 set are nice and I've managed to listen to a quiet note with a metro (subway) screeching into the stop with no trouble.

      Just.. don't wear them while driving.

    3. Re:Amazon? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Find yourself a proxy within the US or another market where it's offered. Of course they might check the credi card number too, so you may still be out of luck.

      I've moved to australia, but only recently so I still have a uk card to use, and a friend over there with a box I can ssh into for a proxy. It's a pain, but it works.

    4. Re:Amazon? by gblackwo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can forget trying to get good current Russian music, or non-american club music on Amazon or Itunes. For club music, Dance-tunes.com is pretty awesome, and in several ways better than Itunes.

    5. Re:Amazon? by rpopescu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't be ignorant - ipods support Apple Lossless.

    6. Re:Amazon? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

      But what's the use if their DSPs noticeably distrort sound when playing at 80% volume or more (which is how I sometimes listen to classical :)

    7. Re:Amazon? by leenks · · Score: 1

      (citation needed)

    8. Re:Amazon? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

      get an ipod nano

    9. Re:Amazon? by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      But what's the use if their DSPs noticeably distrort sound when playing at 80% volume or more (which is how I sometimes listen to classical :)

      Well, it sounds like the only option available in that circumstance is not to listen to it on an ipod.

      I'm not enough of an audiophile to suggest spending a fortune on a stereo but regardless of the formats they support, MP3 players have a tendency to sacrifice audio quality in their quest for portability. Get a good stereo, get a good set of headphones and blow out your eardrums.

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    10. Re:Amazon? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

      Makes sense... Exactly my point.

    11. Re:Amazon? by bgalehouse · · Score: 1

      iPods support CD quality Apple Lossless, but they do not support higher sample rates. So while you can create a 24/96 Apple lossless from a flac, you have to downconvert it to play it on an iPod. This would be less annoying if iTunes were better at managing multiple versions of a particular file. Quite possibly not exactly what the previous poster was complaining about though.

    12. Re:Amazon? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a job for fluting point.

    13. Re:Amazon? by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Makes sense... Exactly my point.

      Ohhh... I thought your point was that you were expecting Formula 1 performance from a station wagon. In that case, just put Rockbox on it or get better headphones and an amp.

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    14. Re:Amazon? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

      I'm not expecting anything from an iPod (if you're lost read the parents), I have good headphones and I didn't ask your advise on how to best listen to music, but thanks. And try to stay away from coffee, it makes people irritated and hyper when they don't need to be. Good luck!

    15. Re:Amazon? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I'm not enough of an audiophile to suggest spending a fortune on a stereo...

      I loathe that "audiophile" tag. I have a formally diagnosed "ski slope" hearing loss towards the upper frequencies, but I can still listen critically enough to hear obvious inadequacies in a recording or its reproduction, and I daresay most people can do likewise if they put their minds to it.

      Because listening is as much an active experience as passive (especially with regard to classical music). That odious term "audiophile" is often applied to people with more money than sense, who are inclined to accept all sorts of voodoo without empirical evidence. The fortune I have spent on my stereo is just a small one (less than $AU10K), but it is also a carefully considered one. This is (I have to admit) partly because I am married, so there is the WAF to consider, but mostly a result of common sense in recognition of diminishing returns.

      But away from home, a sensible level of compression on an mp3 player is just fine. I don't expect to hear the finest nuances of Bartok's sonata for unaccompanied violin over the noise from an 8-litre Cummins diesel.

    16. Re:Amazon? by leenks · · Score: 1

      Again, please cite something that discusses the distortion, otherwise I'll assume it is because you are suffering from some kind of impedance mismatch

  3. Amazon MP3 Downloads? by juancnuno · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Amazon MP3 Downloads? by raddan · · Score: 1

      Ditto, particularly since there's an Amazon MP3 downloader for Linux. Requires a little finagling if you're running 64-bit, but it works. I have downloads going straight into Rhythmbox, and thence to my iPod.

    2. Re:Amazon MP3 Downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by GameGod0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jamendo and Magnatune are great for finding popular music?

    Seeing as I'm pressed to find any Top 40 tracks on either website, I would say that they're good for finding obscure music.

    (And so we're staying on topic here: I can find tons of classical music on Magnatune. String Quartets aren't out-of-mainstream enough for Magnatune or what?)

    1. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Ligeti string quartets are out-of-mainstream enough for anyone. Most of the people who want to listen to such things are performing it themselves - although in this case, I'm not sure it's possible, since a string quartet requires four people.

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    2. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What tosh. I've seen Ligeti's string quartets performed in several cities and it never fails to draw a decent crowd where most people are not musicians themselves. Sony Classical and DG have never let their Ligeti recordings fall out of print because they do sell rather well. In contrast to other mid-century modernists, the film 2001: A Space Odyssey has delivered a steady stream of new listeners wanting to check this weird guy out.

    3. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Jamendo and Magnatune are great for finding popular music?

      The word "popular" in that sentence was a euphemism. Think "popular" as in "hoi polloi". People who listen to real music are sometimes reluctant to tell other people outright that their favorite tunes are "the ill-conceived noise that feeds on and perpetuates the ignorance of the masses". Calling such drivel "popular music" means roughly the same thing, but it's less offensive.

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    4. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      Count me as another banner add for magnatune. If more classical ensambles would distribute through them they would add to the great momentum Magnatune already has, and would likely get more money than any other electronic distribution method given the very generous terms Magnatune gives its artists. Ensambles could also still sell CDs at their concerts and maintain old recording contracts (provided the old company contracts aren't insistent on exclusivity).

    5. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so you are asserting that most of the people who want to listen to Ligeti string quartets can play string instruments well enough to stage their own performances?

    6. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      It was tongue in cheek, in case you didn't notice. I know that as modern classical composers go, Ligeti is rather popular. Especially the bits that don't sound like a swarm of depressed bees.

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    7. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      I am joking, silly. But it's true that the demographic that most consistently listen to modern classical are either

      1. Classically trained musicians themselves.
      2. Other musicians (mostly computer-oriented)
      2. Members of a disappearing upper-class demographic.

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    8. Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      They're included with Ubuntu, which suggests they have music that nerds/geeks like. Given that, it's not surprising that they cater to more obscure tastes.

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  5. sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=classical+music+radio

  6. This is Slashdot by xactuary · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I think you mean quark strings.

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  7. some good classical stuff on Magnatune by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

    Depends what you're looking for, of course. The major works are pretty well represented.

  8. youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's all kinds of scripts that download the .flv's to your hard drive.

  9. Magna-Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you at least click on that link to Magnatune that you went to the trouble of inserting before presuming to say things about them?

  10. Magnatune != Popular Music by viridari · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you've ever checked out Magnatune's offerings or not, but you're a lot more likely to find what you're looking for there than you are to find anything resembling popular music.

  11. eMusic and ClassicalArchives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try eMusic. They have tons of classical, and it's probably a bit cheaper than Amazon in some cases. Although there is one annoyance - if a track is longer than a certain length, you might have to download the whole album to get it, which sucks if you already have different versions of the rest.

    ie You find an album with a symphony and a overture piece, but you have the symphony already (perhaps a different group, or same group just different album). If the overture is over some length (I don't remember how much, something like 7 mins or so), you'd have to get the symphony anyway, burning 12 credits rather than just one. Before that, you could get some long symphonies (Bruckner...) for just 1 credit per movement.

    You can also try ClassicalArchives.com . I used to be a member, but I let it lapse. That was before the new site though, and I've considered going back. (Before, they only had public domain performances, stuff put up by the groups themselves, etc, and a crapload of MIDI)

    1. Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I was going to say eMusic. The author of the question says he's partial to it, but apparently it doesn't fit the bill? Don't know why. I've gotten everything I've looked for in terms of classical lately from mp3va.com, but I don't recall how pop/non-pop any of it was.

    2. Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives by fraktus · · Score: 1

      I am on eMusic and it has a lot of classical tracks.

      The problem is their credit system, very often classical tracks can be very short and sometimes you need 20 or more credits to buy a CD.

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    3. Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives by SonnyDog09 · · Score: 1

      I used to have an eMusic subscription before they changed their business model. Back when downloading any track counted as downloading a track, I would download operas from one of the Italian labels . They had encoded the opera with each act being a track, so I could download an opera and it would count as three tracks. Shoot, I downloaded one where the entire opera was one track! When they changed their pricing model so that an album counted as 12 tracks, I canceled my subscription.

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    4. Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives by ryanov · · Score: 1

      Ah, OK. I only ever had it as a monthly charge.

  12. Be Careful by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'm kind of partial to Baroque and Renaissance music, especially when I have difficulty sleeping[1]. So I found some obscure corners of the web that had streaming audio and everything was as fine as Vivaldi's spring day.......until the day that my PC caught a nasty virus, probably through Windows Media Player. They didn't offer other streaming formats, so please don't suggest Linux.

    If you only download MP3 files directly, things may be a little safer than streaming, but content files can contain malware also. You may be safer paying more for a reputable store. They have more to lose from an outbreak, and are thus more likely to scrub their content and respond to suspicious activity.

    [1] In rough general, Rock is for waking me up, Baroque is for relaxing, and Renaissance for sleeping.

    1. Re:Be Careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Linux (Ubuntu to be exact). I have no worries streaming Windows Media Player things. I listen to Radio National quite often. I've booked marked the stream and it just opens up in Media Player. I've got it set to open in the browser, but you can make it open as a separate window as well if you like.

      MS Windows. For chumps.

      (And for others, but you might think you have a need for MS Windows that can actually be fulfilled by Ubuntu or another *nix distro. If you aren't willing to check it out, you're a chump.)

    2. Re: Be Careful by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm kind of partial to Baroque and Renaissance music

      kmfa.org is a non-commercial Classical station that favors the early stuff more than any other that I've come across.

      They're not NPR, so they play music around the clock, but they do have the regular NPR-style begathons to keep donations coming in.

      I introduced myself to Beethoven in high school, and my interests have kept creeping earlier and earlier. I'm a big fan of Renaissance music now. Presumably Medieval is next...

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    3. Re:Be Careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In rough general, Rock is for waking me up, Rock is for relaxing, and Rock for sleeping.

    4. Re:Be Careful by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      A good place for streaming classical commercial-free is "theclassicalstation.org" It's an ad-free station run out of North Carolina...if you can get past their occasional telethons, they're fantastic. They even have Ogg streams!

    5. Re:Be Careful by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Barock & Roll!

    6. Re: Be Careful by VoidCrow · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link... the station seems to work well for Opera and VLC on Fedora.

    7. Re:Be Careful by leenks · · Score: 1

      Boom boom?! :(

  13. linn records... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.linnrecords.com classical, jazz and the studio master quality files are very nice!

  14. BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All there classical performances are for all intents and purposes (assuming your living "in the UK" (nod nod wink wink,) and it's personal use) in the public domain.

    Classical performers were trying to pull them over the coals for it a year or so back for knocking out all this free music and putting them out of business.

  15. The only feasible explanation... by cybereal · · Score: 0

    Is that whoever posed this question has never done even 10 seconds of research to answer it himself as one can easily find vast amounts of classical music online, on iTunes, Amazon, or one of the various "lesser known" stores.

    I mean come on, I've downloaded several classical tracks straight from the iTunes promoted weekly single. So not only is classical available there, it's occasionally even promoted.

    On top of that, every few weeks you'll see a deal on some bulk track sale on Amazon or similar stores posted to the old standby slickdeals.net site.

    So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

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    1. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been noticing a trend, lately or not; questions posed that are easily answered by 5 minutes of googling.

      That being said, can someone please write me a thesis, I'm pretty lazy, but want to finish up my MS.

    2. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

      OK smarty-pants, let's see how well Google does it: the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there

    3. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, fine, I'm sure you know more about geek-related IT stuff than the poster, but how much do you really know about classical music? Not much, judging by your post. If you're looking for a recording of the Pachelbel canon and you find a recording by the Upper Slobovnia Symphony Orchestra and are happy, you are probably not qualified to post a response. While Amazon has a very good selection of CDs for purchase, their mp3 selection is much more limited. iTunes is completely worthless if you know enough to prefer certain recordings over whatever single version they have to offer. archivmusic.com has a limited mp3 selection but it may be preferable to the bigger stores and their comments are always worth reading.

      And this whole post reminds me of why I really don't like slashdot these days. It's full of arrogant young dbags like yourself that comment on something they know virtually knowing about yet speak with the authority of Kernighan discussing proper C syntax. I hope you all get through puberty someday and realize your limitations.

    4. Re:The only feasible explanation... by awc · · Score: 1

      I think /. is looking to compete with google, this article happens to be the second site google spits out after our friend here lmtgfy'ed it for us.

    5. Re:The only feasible explanation... by FewClues · · Score: 1

      Is that whoever posed this question has never done even 10 seconds of research to answer it himself as one can easily find vast amounts of classical music online, on iTunes, Amazon, or one of the various "lesser known" stores.

      I mean come on, I've downloaded several classical tracks straight from the iTunes promoted weekly single. So not only is classical available there, it's occasionally even promoted.

      On top of that, every few weeks you'll see a deal on some bulk track sale on Amazon or similar stores posted to the old standby slickdeals.net site.

      So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

      This whole post was a ruse to get us to run over and watch that amateur string quartet playing. I suppose to run up the hit count. I'm thinking that a Slashdot effect on a Youtube video would all by itself create a viral video status.

    6. Re:The only feasible explanation... by PrecambrianRabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      We can help, but I suspect your thesis will end up three parts troll and flamebait to one part insightful!

    7. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

      kdawson post. 'Nuff said.

    8. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a student studying classical music at a conservatory I can testify to the OP's plight. You may be able to find tons of recordings on iTunes of Beethoven's 5th symphony, but you may not be able to find a recording of the Tomasi Bassoon Concerto. Also, classical musicians and listeners often don't just want any recording of a given work. A lot of the recordings you find on iTunes are done by 2nd-tier European radio symphonies. Often people look for recordings done by specific orchestras or even specific historic recordings. My teacher has collected 33 different recordings of the opening to the Rite of Spring, 17 of them conducted by Stravinsky, 2 of them are rehearsals featuring Stravinsky singing the opening bassoon solo.

      If you're lucky enough to be a student at a university with a good music school, you can get access to a huge selection of lesser-marketed recordings. I'm not a copyright lawyer so I can't say if ripping them is exercising fair use under the guise of education or not. If you're in a major city, your public library is also likely to have a large selection.

      If that fails and you're looking for recordings that feature some sort of instrumental solo work, a Google search for the piece may turn up a performer who's recorded it but may not be actively marketing their album. Most likely, they'd be happy to get an e-mail from someone interested in listening to their music. Some may even mail it to you for free, just excited to have some publicity. Also, most instruments have their own societies with mailing lists. For example, bassoonists are part of the International Double Reed Society. A question to the society about where to find a recording may yield positive results. Also if you're having trouble finding something, there's a good chance other members of the society are too.

      If you're looking for works by an obscure living composer, e-mailing the composer can be an option. Casually asking William Bolcom or John Williams for their music is an exercise in futility, but a lot of composers are struggling to get recognition. If their piece doesn't have a studio recording, chances are they made a recording of one of the performances for their records and would be happy to send it your way.

      A last resort would be the Naxos Music Library. A lot of universities have subscriptions to the online database. It can be hard to find the portal on the university's website to connect to it however. If you're not a student, then it's only available with a subscription fee for streaming classical music. They have an incredible selection, however.

      Finally, if you've ascertained with complete certainty that there exists no recording at all of the piece and it means that much to you...COMMISSION ONE! I'm dead serious. As a music student I can testify that there are oodles of young, talented classical musicians out there who'd love to take on a project such as that. If you live near a good music school, that's where I'd start. Faculty are a good place to ask about putting together a project as they can help with recruiting. Generally they'll pass on your offer to their students and other relevant faculty, provided you make your case well why this given piece should be recorded. Students may do this for free, but you're more likely to get the creme of the school if you offer to pay them. Music students will play on the (relative) cheap. Figure a bare minimum of $15-20 a service per musician plus $5 for every hour that service lasts past the first hour. You can reduce that with the promise of food.

      In summary, finding classical music isn't necessarily easy, particularly if you want to be particular about it. However, it is possible provided you're willing to be outgoing and connect with the community.

    9. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is now the first :/

    10. Re:The only feasible explanation... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wow, your post made me go over and actually look at it. It's awful. Certainly the music is creative and sharp, and the performers skilled, but it is highly unmotivated, drained of emotion, and not worth the effort it takes to actually understand it. What a waste (and please, before you mod me troll, take a second to actually listen to the music in the link. I think my assessment is accurate).

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    11. Re:The only feasible explanation... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you're lucky enough to be a student at a university with a good music school, you can get access to a huge selection of lesser-marketed recordings. I'm not a copyright lawyer so I can't say if ripping them is exercising fair use under the guise of education or not.

      IANAL but I don't think students have an exemption from obeying copyright laws - don't the RIAA go after college students quite often?

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    12. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      Are you the PrecambrianRabbit who's writing this thesis, per chance?

    13. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up.

    14. Re:The only feasible explanation... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      The stuff you are seeing on the iTunes weekly single is most likely "crossover" classical like The Three Tenors and so on. Real classical works tend not to be 5 minute singles. They tend to run from about an hour to 2.5 hours.

    15. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      If you happen to live near a public university with a good music school, you should be able to at least listen to the music at the library, even if you can't check anything out. You won't be able to rip it, though, since it's likely they'll put it in a player behind the desk and direct you to a listening station. /worked at the music library in college

    16. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 1

      According to this educational purposes are covered under the fair use doctrine. As a music student I could legitimately claim that copying library CDs is a necessary part of my studies. However, I am not a lawyer either so I don't know how well that claim would hold up in court, especially with the RIAA salivating at the mouth just thinking of eliminating the fair use doctrine.

      Likewise, I don't know if a non-music student could stand by that claim in court. Luckily, a lot of classical recordings, particularly the hard-to-find ones are produced by small, independent, and less litigious recording companies not part of the RIAA.

    17. Re:The only feasible explanation... by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 1

      That depends on the library. I've been to libraries with dedicated listening sections and then there are libraries like mine that will let you take CDs home (LPs have to stay.) I don't know this for certain, but I suspect that the policy is based more on the fact that the library is concerned about resources going missing. In the case of the library where I attend, forcing people to listen to recordings in the building would be completely impractical. I estimate they circulate at least a hundred albums on a slow day and setting up listening stations to accommodate that many listeners would be as ridiculous as forcing them to keep all musical scores in the building as well.

    18. Re:The only feasible explanation... by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      It's really warhorse symphonies last that long. Many concerti last about 20-30 minutes. Typical orchestral programming (at least around here) has two pieces of that length played in the first half of the concert, and a 40-minute or hour-long piece in the second half after the intermission.

    19. Re:The only feasible explanation... by shadowofwind · · Score: 1

      A last resort would be the Naxos Music Library.

      I've gotten a lot of mileage out of Naxos. Their quality isn't the absolute best, but its pretty good, and their prices are great.

      A bigger issue for me is finding new music. If there's any still being written that I would find compelling, I'm not aware of it. The Sibelius violin concerto is the most modern piece that I really like. Mostly I listen to Bach, but even though I've got about 10 hours of his stuff, I've heard it so many times I've become bored with it. Same with Beethoven. Same scene with rock music also. Tool is the only contemporary band that does anything for me at all, and I'm thoroughly sick of the 'classics'. I guess I should have practiced more so that I could write my own.

    20. Re:The only feasible explanation... by jcgam69 · · Score: 1

      Great post! I'm listening to Naxos right now, thanks to you!

    21. Re:The only feasible explanation... by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      You probably haven't even tried to find a specific recording have you? Classical music as a few more variables in complexity than other music because (generally speaking) anyone can perform the work, and even the same ensemble with a change of conductors can produce a drastically different recording. The director, ensemble, & composer all add to the equation for what defines "a recording" and as mentioned above, even a soloist recording the same works after a time span can offer a different interpretation worth comparing.

  16. Academic libraries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My classical collection has been built through the following method:

    1. Get borrowing privileges at your local university library. (These are generally available to the general public for a small fee.)

    2. Check out classical CDs.

    3. Burn and/or rip.

    If you are a student or faculty, then you also have access to interlibrary loan for the rare stuff.

  17. EMH Classical Music by ryanw · · Score: 1

    Ironically I have been following this topic for a while. Today EMH Classical has launched 6 of their newest and most popular recordings as exclusive iTunes releases. A classical first.

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/emh-classical-music/id385488162

  18. Hipster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I totally listened to that band you are talking about...
    ... before they were popular enough for Magnatune.

  19. ArkivMusic or Naxos by Rhuragh · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent. As a giant Classical snob (I listen to Classical exclusively), the only way I buy music is physical CDs, and then rip to FLAC once it arrives.

    For purchasing physical media, I enthusiastically recommend ArkivMusic. They have a pretty damn good selection, and a really good sorting method where you can browse by composer, conductor, orchestra, soloist, et al., in a very granular fashion. I too checked the local brick-n-mortar stores in Atlanta when the recent re-release of Golijov's Passion of St. Mark hit the shelves only to find no one carrying it. I ended up ordering it from ArkivMusic.

    Naxos also has a pretty decent online presence. You can buy from their comprehensive catalog on their site, as well as pay a subscription fee for unlimited mp3/radio quality streaming off their site from their entire collection. While the performers on Naxos aren't always the highest quality, I'd be willing to bet that Naxos has the most comprehensive Classical catalog of any publisher on the planet. Considering the breadth of their collection, if you just want to try new music, the streaming subscription is a pretty damn good deal, poor to middling quality or not.

    1. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 2

      If you are being picky, then it is 'redundant' not 'redondant'.

    2. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a giant Classical snob (I listen to Classical exclusively)

      Nothing from the Baroque or Romantic (Early and Late) periods at all? Gosh I don't know if I could without Bach, later Beethoven or Mahler. :P

    3. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by rnturn · · Score: 2, Informative

      "First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent."

      Agreed. I find 192Kbps fine for folk/pop/rock but classical definitely needs as high a bit rate as you can manage. I don't hold myself to be any sort of "golden ear" but I was able to hear the difference between 192 and 320 Kbps in an MP3 I made of a Glenn Gould recording; especially when listing with headphones or earbuds and the outside noise is minimized. When listening in the car (Hey! Why not?!) I'm sure you could get by with the lower bit rate MP3. (I first thought some of the additional distortion in the 192Kbps version might have been some of Gould's humming that I'd missed hearing before.)

      BTW, as another classical listener disappointed by the lack of good brick-n-mortar music stores, I'd like to pass along a word of thanks for the link to ArkivMusic. (I'm still bummed from the time when Rose Records stopped stocking their music by label and catalog number and hung Schaums catalogs around the store for customers to refer to. Then Tower bought them and we all know what's happened since then.) If you are looking for another place to hear classical, you might try (Chicago based) WFMT's web site. They live stream their daily shows and the schedule on their web site includes the label/catalog number of what's played so you can look for recordings. While my personal opinion is that the quality of their programming declined a bit when their only classical competitor in town changed formats at least they're still around. Otherwise it'd be very difficult to hear anything other than classical "greatest hits". If that.

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    4. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Naxos is indeed an excellent label, with a wide and adventurous repertoire. And whilst their artists are not stars (though some of them become stars), all the recordings I've heard are at least professional, and probably better than the composers of the eighteenth and earlier nineteenth century ever heard of their own work. Exception: avoid Tonus Peregrinus, who are a stupid and gimmicky vocal group who ruin the early music they purport to perform. They can sing OK, but they bugger things up conceptually.

      Chandos Records and the Tallis Scholars have their own sites, also.

      But as for >>First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical.

      Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Harpsichord is challenging for mp3, but with that exception Classical is, by and large, less challenging for lossy encoding than electronica or metal. For most listeners, most of the time, mp3 encoded with a good encoder (LAME, obviously, but apparently the other modern encoders are catching up) is indistinguishable from CD at 192 kbps, and often at lower bit rates. And 'most listeners' means 'most critical listeners who participate in hydrogen audio listening tests.'

    5. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Netssansfrontieres · · Score: 1

      Naxos recordings are hit and miss. Some good, some poor, none stellar ... it has breadth, but if you're looking for a breathtaking performance of Goldberg Variations, for example, you aren't going to find Glenn Gould or Murray Perahia or ... on Naxos.

    6. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      If you listened to a Glenn Gould recording, and never heard of Glenn Gould, would you be stunned by it? Wouldn't it be more a wtf-moment at best?

      This is a pet peeve of mine... but poin is, a great deal of the value of a work is created by the listeners. We want to share experiences, so we collectively pick a few "winners", explore and experience their character and quirks, and talk about it. There's nothing wrong with it as such. Everyone does it, from the "highest" art forms to the "lowest". It's not snobbery - as long as you admit it. But we should collectively back away from the worst hero-worship.

      I used to have a lot of Glenn Gould recordings myself, for what it's worth - and the reasons I don't have them any longer has nothing to do with enjoying them or not. When I lost them (along with a Blandine Verlet recording of the Goldberg variations, which I probably listened more to) I took the opportunity to find a new version. Magnatune had one by a harpsichord builder, Janine Johnson. The great thing about magnatune is that it gives a chance to someone with a background like that - and the recording is excellent.

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    7. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by nyctopterus · · Score: 0

      First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent. As a giant Classical snob (I listen to Classical exclusively), the only way I buy music is physical CDs, and then rip to FLAC once it arrives.

      Oh please, for nearly everyone's listening environment, you're not going to be able to tell a decent MP3 from an uncompressed file.

      I find this whole audiophile thing pretty interesting, especially now something very similar starting to spill over into mainstream photography. JPEGS are out!, we need 16 bit RAW files for out holiday snaps! As a digital artist, I find it disturbing that people are going to let a JPEG artefact (real or imaginary) spoil their enjoyment of a picture: you're looking at it wrong!

      I mean, it's fine if you enjoy your FLACs and presumably horrendously expensive audio equipment, but telling other people that anything less is 'simply not good enough' is ridiculous. I also think it encourages people to miss the point of the music in the first place.

    8. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh please, for nearly everyone's listening environment, you're not going to be able to tell a decent MP3 from an uncompressed file.

      Even on low-quality equipment, you can certainly tell the difference between MP3s and FLACs with certain repertoire due to the lower dynamic range. The works of the spectralist composers, for example, sound quite different when encoded into MP3. The opening of Norgard's Symphony No. 3, where the initial attack on low strings is supposed to be heard up to the 9th partial, doesn't work very well in compressed formats.

    9. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by wieselwerkstatte · · Score: 1

      Try https://www.hdtracks.com/

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    10. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by etnoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find this whole audiophile thing pretty interesting, especially now something very similar starting to spill over into mainstream photography. JPEGS are out!, we need 16 bit RAW files for out holiday snaps! As a digital artist, I find it disturbing that people are going to let a JPEG artefact (real or imaginary) spoil their enjoyment of a picture: you're looking at it wrong!

      I just couldn't let this pass by without comment. Yes, I am a flac kind of a person, and take pride in ripping music with the absolute highest quality. I am also a photographer, and yes, I shoot in raw format. Why? Because I do post-processing. On every photo I take. A good-quality jpeg is indistinguishable from raw until you start doing the least bit of editing. Then the differences will be clear as day and night. Ever tried rescuing an underexposed 8-bit JPEG and then try the same with a 12-bit raw? And don't get me started about color spaces...

      JPEG is perfect for the holiday shooter, though, but personally I long for the 16-bit raw files (best available today on 35-mm SLR:s is 14-bit). That will take care of *some* of the imaging artifacts that come from the rounding errors between the sensor and the memory card.

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    11. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Rhuragh · · Score: 1

      Classical is a misnomer. I listen to 20th Century/Modern mostly. A bit of Romantic and Impressionism too, but mostly Modern.

      God exists, and his name is Dmitri Shostakovich.

    12. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hold myself to be any sort of "golden ear" but I was able to hear the difference between 192 and 320 Kbps in an MP3

      Wow, if this was Hydrogenaudio, Greynol would surely banish you for such heresy!

    13. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd also recommend H&B Recordings Direct, http://www.hbdirect.com. I've used them and ArkivMusic for a while to order Classical music. Both sites have quite large catalogs for new and older recordings. H&B has an option to buy some recordings through iTunes in additional to traditional CDs.

    14. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent.

      Digital does NOT mean "compressed". "Digital" means that the music is a string of binary numbers representing voltages recorded at fractions of a second (with CDs it's 44k samples per second).

    15. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I agree with the audiophile bit, but I do shoot RAW for everything (casual or not). The reason is bit depth - JPEG is limited to 8-bits (at least, in almost all implementations of it - there is no reason you couldn't compress at 16-bits using the same technique). With RAW I get all 12 bits that my sensor captures. That means that marginal photos are much easier to rescue in post-processing.

      I'd actually argue that studio portraits/etc are where you need RAW the least. In controlled conditions you can get the perfect exposure up-front, and then you don't need to clean it up so much after-the-fact. However, if somebody is paying you for shots it seems silly to let 0.2cents of disk space keep you from capturing everything you can.

      When I shoot photos of family events/etc, they are almost always candid shots. If I capture a nice moment and the exposure locked onto a window in the background, I'm not going to ask everybody to line up and pose like models laughing or whatever while I tweak my shutter. If I have a 12-bit image, that gives me 4 stops more light in the shadows when I clean it up.

      For a properly-exposed image, however, I have no expectation to be able to see the quality difference between a 12-bit RAW and any reasonably-sized 8-bit JPEG. The disk savings are considerable obviously - that JPEG is easily 10% or less the size of the RAW.

      If I actually processed all my photos after taking them I might convert final images (and a copy of a bare-bones-processed RAW) to JPEG only and discard originals. However, I tend to only go back and process images later (I'm not selling them or anything like that), so I tend to just keep the RAW files around.

    16. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Rhuragh · · Score: 1

      Yes, my comment lacked specificity. I'm well aware of the difference between lossy and lossless music formats. My reference to buying "digital" is simply a reflection that it's hard to find Classical online for sale in any digital format (particularly if you're looking for a specific ensemble, conductor, soloist, or recording), much less in lossless formats.

      My opinion is that lossy classical music is not worth buying at any price (with the exception of something like the Naxos streaming service I endorsed where you're not looking for permanent additions to your collection, but the ability to sample their entire catalog at will). If you must purchase music in a digital format online, buy FLAC or other lossless encoding method preferably (though options there are fairly limited), and at an absolute minimum, 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent or better (and even this is hard to come by at shitty stores like iTunes or Amazon). Anything less and you are simply wasting your money.

    17. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Oh please, for nearly everyone's listening environment, you're not going to be able to tell a decent MP3 from an uncompressed file."

      Some of us still like good stereo equipment. I grew up as a kid, in a time I guess...where all my friends knew what good reproduction was. A pair of Klipschorns still will easily let you hear the difference in quality of recording, when paired with a good quality amp.

      I've been slowly building my stereo since I was 12yrs a pieces at a time, upgrading over the years as I found deals, and made more money. In some cases, you DO get what you pay for.

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    18. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Naxos recordings are hit and miss. Some good, some poor, none stellar

      Bullshit. Quite apart from having purchased the licenses of some of the finest recordings, it's also commissioned loads of what are highly regarded ones. You can consult the Penguin guide for just one source of glowing reviews. I'm also completely impressed with their recording of Messiaen's Turangalila piece.

      Say, you wouldn't be one of those artists who complain that the glory days of record labels giving performers too much money for average quality work, and that Naxos underpay, would you?

    19. Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Not true. A high-bitrate MP3 can easily reproduce audio with fidelity better than your ears can detect. Your admonition should be only against crappy, low bitrate mp3s.

  20. Just a thought... by online46 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interested in unknown, but accomplished classical musicians? Check out wedding musicians. My wife manages a string quartet. They play mostly weddings and events. These women all have post graduate degrees and they are excellent classical musicians. I suggest if you search wedding musicians in your area and check out their websites, you may discover some excellent classical musicians right in your backyard and they may even perform in public as themselves or as part of other groups. Almost all of them will have recordings on their websites or otherwise available.

    1. Re:Just a thought... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      How about a direct suggestion?

      http://www.calderquartet.com

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    2. Re:Just a thought... by online46 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your suggestion. I specifically did not suggest a site because I don't know the original poster's location. The gist of what I wanted to say is that you probably don't have to look far to find highly talented string musicians right where you are. If you google "string quartet Dallas" my wife's quartet will be one of the responses.

  21. CBC radio 2 by Maglos · · Score: 3, Informative

    CBC radio has a bunch of fantastic classical options, especially for those who don't know what they want and its free(unless your Canadian, in which case its tax dollars well spent).

    1. Re:CBC radio 2 by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      Come on man...think globally for a second. The CBC is not even known beyond Canadian borders! Sheesh!

    2. Re:CBC radio 2 by Maglos · · Score: 1

      hm, I suppose a link might be helpful. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/

    3. Re:CBC radio 2 by gmack · · Score: 1

      CBC radio has far too much chatter between songs. If I want to listen to classical I want to listen to music and not the entire history of the piece in question.

    4. Re:CBC radio 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CBC2 used to be good for classical, but their shift about 2 years ago basically ruined it for me. They now play way too much "pop" music that I could listen to on any other radio station in my area, except that theirs is Canadian content. That's what the CRTC is for, to ensure the mainstream radio broadcasters have a sufficient amount of truly Canadian content. It's too bad they don't enforce their own rules.

      I can understand using CBC2 for a wider cultural scope, so you get a chance to hear blues, jazz, world music, or other genres not commonly played on mainstream radio. Unfortunately, they seem stuck on making the station popular for younger people who have no interest in classical at all.

    5. Re:CBC radio 2 by romaniuk · · Score: 1

      You might want to try the CBC Radio 2 Internet-only stream that is devoted to classical: http://radiostreams.cbc.ca/cbc-cbcw3tor-128.m3u. Very few advertisements and no chatter that I've noticed. CBC Radio 2 also has Internet-only streams devoted to Jazz (http://radiostreams.cbc.ca/cbc-cbcw1tor-128.m3u), Canadian Composers (http://radiostreams.cbc.ca/cbc-cbcw2tor-128.m3u) and Canadian Songwriters (http://radiostreams.cbc.ca/cbc-cbcw4tor-128.m3u). I'm not sure if these streams are geo-locked. Enjoy.

    6. Re:CBC radio 2 by Maglos · · Score: 1

      I'm 26 and listen to Classical music regularly and I also enjoy their 'pop music'(more indie really) from time to time, though I can't stand MTV pop music. I find classical excellent to work too and I've enjoyed a few live performances.

    7. Re:CBC radio 2 by romaniuk · · Score: 1

      Corrected Links:

      I know that this is late, and potentially off-topic, but the links I gave yesterday to CBC radio streams were incorrect. Here are the updated links for those of you who are interested:

      More information and links to additional streams are available at http://www.cbc.ca/listen/ (CBC Radio Streams). Enjoy.

  22. a heretical suggestion by khallow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about YouTube? Seems to me that you're more likely to run into new, cutting edge stuff (or old, obscure stuff) there than on a site that is trying to sell you things. Sure, you might run into say, drunk frat boys humming an ear-bleeding rendition of "Aria on a G String" with kazoos, and the recordings are frequently poor, snippets, or abominations. But it does have the advantage of being a great place to scout stuff out. If you run across something interesting, then you can check it out for real on a more sophisticated site.

    1. Re:a heretical suggestion by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      This is actually a good suggestion (not just funny, mods). There is in fact a lot of extremely rare stuff on youtube.

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    2. Re:a heretical suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For scouting purposes, music blogs that upload rips are also an excellent way of finding out about very obscure recordings. The more reputable ones usually link to where you can purchase te physical media.

    3. Re:a heretical suggestion by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I think that if you're looking for concepts, youtube is a great place to look. If you're looking for execution, it is a lousy place to look. Plus, if you do actually find anything you want to keep you get to try to extract the FLV and extract its audio track so that you can listen to it on something other than your web browser. What fun - especially if you have to transcode it (either to another format (lossy), or to FLAC (lots of space and most players don't support it))...

    4. Re:a heretical suggestion by midol · · Score: 1

      certainly for the bulk of the classical catalog youtube is a good choice, I can find all the Beethoven piano sonatas with slideshows and a downlaod link for the mp3. pretty handy for me.

  23. Youtube by Godskitchen · · Score: 1

    If you're just looking to explore the world of classical music, youtube is a decent place to start. There are a number of GREAT channels there with hundreds of pieces. Here are two of my favorites:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/HARMONICO101
    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGravicembalo

  24. Not the record, but the buzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi all,

    I think the poster means not where to get the record, but where to get a sence of new released works.
    With a record store that specializes in classical, that is pretty easy because the people there are passionate about that type of music.

    With itunes and the likes, you get just what the major record labels think you should be listening to.
    And that may not be what the poster is interested in.

    So I think that the question is: Where do you get news about what is interesting to buy...

  25. what.cd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I am not trolling. I go to what.cd for classical music.

  26. Re:what.cd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://what.cd

    Best audio tracker there is. Lots of classical stuff.

    how to register???

  27. It's a bit grim by HalfFlat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... if you're not in the US, and you don't use a Mac or Windows PC. Amazon does not sell MP3s to Australians; iTunes is Mac/Windows only. Personally, I've had most success with emusic.com, but as the querier has noted, their range is limited.

    I really miss being able to walk into a store with a large classical range, have a listen, chat with knowledgeable staff, and have the chance of a serendipitous discovery. The web can theoretically provide the equivalent and more besides, but is hobbled by overly restrictive domains and copyright paranoia.

    1. Re:It's a bit grim by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Only what's hip and popular is represented well in web commerce. Classical music, being this obscure genre of music that nobody really listens to anymore, gets marginalized. There's just not enough demand to justify trying to negotiate with the publishers to offer any more than lip service. If you want a particular piece (or movement thereof) that's relatively popular, most places may have some obscure recording. But if you're looking for a particular performance, which classical music aficionados tend to do more often than not, you're shit outta luck.

      The demographics are just too different. Most people who regularly listen to classical music go to concert halls more often than they buy recordings. It's still the preferred method, though it gets incredibly expensive for decent seats. And those who do buy and listen to recordings are more likely that type that purchases records to play on their high-fidelity system rather than CDs. Besides which, a lot of (arguably the best) recordings remain unreleased (for private use), or were released only in vinyl form.

      I hate to say it, but it's probably easiest to buy the CD online through Amazon or Arkivmusic (both of which have a small selection for downloading too) or some other online CD retailer, and hit the brick and mortars, especially used CD stores, for the obscure, older, and quite likely out of print stuff.

      The form of digital distribution that has the largest selection would probably be torrents or some other means of equally dubious legality.

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    2. Re:It's a bit grim by primal777 · · Score: 1

      try basement disk in melbourne. they have an exellent selction of CD's available for purchase. Including small time, limited run and rare stuff. http://www.basementdiscs.com.au/

    3. Re:It's a bit grim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow i'm not sure that classical music is something that "nobody really listens to anymore" if that was the case there wouldn't be conservatoriums at nearly every university around the world or symphony orchestra's in every city. I'm personally not really into it but I know quite a few people in my generation(X) and even a few in gen y that are.

    4. Re:It's a bit grim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when growing up that I went to Jack's Record Shop in Elkhart Indiana. Of course he is been gone for a really long time now. He had an enormous classical selection.

      Now I buy my records L(vinyl) at our local library book sale. Anything by the Musical Heritage Society is excelent. They publish obscure composers at times. My collection of vinyl is around 6k, my cds, around 1k and my cassettes around 1k. My favorite period of music is the early music (Hiligard von Bingen) and baroque.Each time I go to the library book sale, I end up with 40-50 vinyls or more.So, look for a sale at your local library. If you want information about my local library, contact me at ParkBench@cds1.net

  28. Deutsche Grammophon by malzfreund · · Score: 5, Informative

    Obviously one of *the* labels for classical music. The awesome thing about their web store is that, in addition to 320kbps MP3s, you can buy FLACs. Very appropriate for fans of classical music which are often crazy about sound quality.

    1. Re:Deutsche Grammophon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should be modded doubleplusinformative. I didn't know they did direct sales. If I'd given it a moment of thought it ought to have been obvious of course.

      Not the best organised site, mind. If you search for Ligeti in FLAC format, nothing comes up; but if you search for MP3 format, both FLAC and MP3 formats come up.

    2. Re:Deutsche Grammophon by SonnyDog09 · · Score: 1

      I've purchased many classical discs from the DGM website and have been very happy with them. I also like that the download package includes a very nice pdf of the liner notes, which can be very useful. I have not purchased anything from them since they redid their website earlier this year. I am not sure that this is the place to go to find new and unknown artists, however. I'd also like to thank the original poster for mentioning Ligetti. I've got a couple of discs of his material in my mp3 player, and am listening to one of them as I type this.

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  29. Naxos Music Library (NML) by beet31425 · · Score: 2

    As a non-casual "classical" listener, I can heartily recommend the Naxos Music Library. This is a little different from naxos.com suggested above: naxos.com only has recordings from the Naxos label, while the NML includes many sister labels (including some great ones, like Wergo). They add about 1000 CD's every month, about 40 a day. I've rapidly expanded my knowledge of new composers, and great recordings of old composers. They have multiple recordings of the Ligeti string quartets, including the Arditti Quartet, for example. They're not cheap, though. :(

  30. Local classical radio station by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

    I listen to WQXR, a classic station native to New York City. Its my portal to classical music and they feature a great variety. Their website has a live stream.

    1. Re:Local classical radio station by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same here, except for KQAC streaming 24-7 from beautiful Portland, Oregon. And these two aren't the only ones. There are a whole bunch of live streams that one can listen to while connected. In many ways, streaming has brought back classical, jazz, and other musical formats that, a few years ago, were in danger of being lost when public radio was transitioning wholesale to news. HD allowed alternate streams to be played over the air and streaming them to the internet connected them to a whole bunch of listeners who (although remote) also turned into financial supporters of these stations and their streams. It's been a really good thing for these stations and this kind of music.

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    2. Re:Local classical radio station by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

      I agree with this, also you can look up what you just heard on WQXR on their website and click a link to ArchivMusic which will allow you to buy the recording of what you just heard. I haven't used it yet, but if you are looking for a very specific recording WQXR's site is a great reference to find the recording and find a way to buy it.

    3. Re:Local classical radio station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I listen to a lot of WQXR, and while it gets me my classical fix, I find it very "top 40".

  31. And not emusic? by jmitchel!jmitchel.co · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't follow classical regularly, but emusic seemed to be well stocked. Their supply of obscure free jazz impressed.

  32. But how is it tagged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I really want is to purchase music which is already properly entered into musicbrainz with *all* relevant extended information, so that I can auto-tag it how I like... and I'd like this to be the case for medieval music and other 'obscure' areas of classical music... *sigh*

  33. Alas, Poor Oink... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years ago the torrent version of the answer would have been Oink, easily the best publicly available collection of music in the history of of music. I'm only bothering to post this to bemoan the fact that even the sum of all legal electronic music outlets doesn't come close to the selection Oink had, nor the quality (flac on anything you wanted and asked for, or usually 320 kbps music if you preferred that). And if something wasn't there, you could get real results from a request, no matter how obscure.

  34. Where? by darkpixel2k · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Where do people go to find the newest Ligeti String Quartet recording?

    Gay bar?

    (kidding!)

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  35. Re:what.cd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's private, so you don't, unless you know someone with invites. It is excellent, however.

  36. Re: You use Linux? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    He says he has a girlfriend and uses Ubuntu. One is a lie. Geeks don't have girlfriends.

    Maybe he met a girl who uses Ubuntu and is fantasizing about both.

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  37. Arkiv Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want a general classical music store that sells CDs, DVDs, downloads, etc., it'd be hard to beat Arkiv Music (arkivmusic.com). Good web site, good service, prices are reasonable, etc. Not only do they stock just about anything you can think of, they've also cut a deal with most of the major labels to reproduce on demand many items in the back catalogs that have gone out of print. No personal connection with them other than being a satisfied customer.

  38. Ubuntu One Music Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same selection as iTunes, and that's in *addition* to magnatune and jamendo. Even Fedora and them have *those* two.

    I never use magnatune, and I only listen to stuff on jamendo because it fulfills what amounts to my liberty religion. Most of it sucks.

    Not that this helps you at all, but your list above should include it to be complete.

  39. CDs and downloads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have found http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/ brilliant for ordering CDs - I can see the different versions of pieces that are available and how they were reviewed. Presto will ship CDs all over the world faster than Amazon does. Also Linn records (http://www.linnrecords.com/) has the best download model I have yet found: for different fees, you can download tracks or albums in a variety of formats and resolutions, from 320k MP3 to 24-bit Flac.

  40. The Emporium! by SirLoadALot · · Score: 0, Troll

    Lovers of classical music usually take their horseless carriage to a convenient local musical emporium. A variety of cylinders are available for the various gramophones on the market. Please note that one does not actually purchase the cylinder -- one instead purchases the right to play the cylinder under certain circumstances, as laid out in the license agreement that accompanies it.

  41. It really isn't so easy by frog_strat · · Score: 1

    to find new artists or composers if you are into 20th / 21st century classical, or fusion/m-base/post bop jazz. For classical stuff I mostly hear of new composers on the Los Angeles classic station KUSC. Sometimes I stumble onto interesting stuff on Rhaspsody.

    Nice to see there are a few other folks that like left brain music. I guess we spent too many nights performing pop music in bars and want to hear something different.

    1. Re:It really isn't so easy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This seems like a good time to plug my lady's brother's group, Eighth Blackbird. They're a chamber music group that attempts to do only pieces by living composers. Sometimes they do a piece by a dead guy but he's usually from the last century or so. And if that's the kind of music you're in to, it seems a shame to miss the Cabrillo Festival of Contemporary Music, August 1 - 15, which occurs mostly at the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium. I personally hate classical (mom made me listen to a lot of it as a child after reading some book tha told her to) and still enjoy a lot of their work, though I may be biased.

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  42. Trance music? by antdude · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    How about trance music? I only have http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/list.php?which=genre&id=11&order=score&sortorder=desc&page=1 for homemade audio tunes. What about commercial trance music videos? :(

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    1. Re:Trance music? by mezzaninex · · Score: 1

      Trance is super popular in Europe, have to check there:
      http://www.juno.co.uk/trance-music/this-week/all/
      http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=trance&x=0&y=0

      DJs have to buy it somewhere too:
      https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/genre/detail/7/trance

      I don't know where you go to buy trance videos though. You can do that?

    2. Re:Trance music? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Just buy one 12 track compilation CD and copy it a million times with the tracks in a different order each time. That'll be all the music you ever need, and it will be "different" each time.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    3. Re:Trance music? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Thanks. For music videos, I meant free ones to watch online/download. I used to do it all the time like in the late 1990s/90s. :(

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  43. Oh Dear... by WillDraven · · Score: 1

    My fiancee is going to hate you. I go through periods of different genres of music. She dreads my classical kicks, and I have a feeling this thread will certainly set one off.

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    1. Re:Oh Dear... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      My fiancee is going to hate you. I go through periods of different genres of music. She dreads my classical kicks, and I have a feeling this thread will certainly set one off.

      Call off the engagement while you have the chance.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:Oh Dear... by WillDraven · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah yes, I can see the conversations with our son now.

      "Daddy, why aren't you and Mommy married?"

      "Well, you see son, every 6-8 months I listen to classical music for a few weeks and Mommy doesn't like it very much." ;-)

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  44. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Last.fm

  45. HDtracks.com by WScottC · · Score: 1

    HDTracks.com

    No DRM
    lot's of 96khz/24bit
    flac/mp3/aiff
    Individual tracks
    Full albums
    All styles of music
    Very rapidly growing
    New recordings
    Lot's of re-releases.

    1. Re:HDtracks.com by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      Let me add fuel to this.

      The only reason HDTracks sells MP3 is for compatibility, as far as I can tell. The MP3s they sell are 320kb/s. Likewise, they only sell AIFF for compatibility with iPods etc. Obviously, you could play MP3 on an iPod, but it won't be lossless, even at 320kb/s. AIFF is lossless, but it is also uncompressed.

      That said, it seems as though the format they want to sell is FLAC. FLAC is available on all of their offerings at 44.1kHz/16bit, and, as WScottC pointed out, lots of their material is also available at 96kHz (or close to it, e.g. 88.2kHz) and 24 bits.

      Now, I'm not a huge classical music fan. I like it some, but I don't go nuts for it. I am, however, an audiophile, and have bought some tracks from HDTracks, both in 44/16 FLAC and 96/24 FLAC, and I have got to tell you, one of these recordings (Destroyer by the Kinks) was so sharp you could hear the flaws in the studio where they were recording.

      The downloads aren't fast, but this is because they aren't small. The prices are higher than, say, Amazon, but for good reason. This is the audiophile record store of today.

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  46. Passionato by NeverWorker1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.passionato.com/ It's an online classical music store offering a nice catalog in both mp3 and flac. Lots of 25% off sales. But seriously, what.cd ftw.

  47. Spotify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently i've discovered Spotify as a relatively good source of classical music. Not only the popular collection - which certainly is present - but also quite some obscure ones. Of course, the downside is that you can't simply download mp3's and often the recordings are labeled poorly (sometimes no or incomplete listing of performers so you have to find other sources to find out who you are listening to), but it's the best available collection i've seen so far. Not sure in which countries it's available.

    There is also at least one DC++ hub which started because more people had the exact same problem. If you have a large and very well sorted and labeled (group, soloists, year and conductor) collection, you can share and download there and find nearly everything you want. Of course, in many countries this is illegal, but for many recordings, it has been the only normal available way to acquire them. You should be able to google the right hub easily.

    I must say around here we're lucky enough to have a store with classical music opened again - after they all closed or reduced their classical music section before.

  48. Hyperion has the best UI and decently tagged music by lelle · · Score: 1
  49. Re: You use Linux? by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Maybe he does use Ubuntu and he met a girl who is using him.

  50. I thought the web was pipes? Now it's strings? by kawabago · · Score: 1

    if I only had a brain....

  51. Mine is ... by udippel · · Score: 1

    France Musique.
    They have exactly what I'm looking for, with lots of not-necessarily-on-the-shelf, mostly classical music
    http://mp3.live.tv-radio.com/francemusique/all/francemusique-32k.mp3
    There is also a high-quality stream; but my place of work has a lousy connection, and so has my ISP.

    YMMV

  52. Classical streamed FM radio: www.kusc.org by david.emery · · Score: 1

    I'm a big fan of KUSC (http://www.kusc.org), particularly their evening show. Jim Svejda does some pretty obscure stuff at times, and I find his interviews and commentary particularly insightful. Too bad he's on so late on east coast time. Also for really avant-garde stuff, there's John Schaefer's New Sounds on WQXR (turned me onto minimalism back in the early 80s.)

    But at home, I've ripped my CD collection and stream via iTunes, Airport Express/AirTunes and an FM transmitter with enough power to reach the entire house and yard. I'm into Early Music and about half my stuff is Medieval or Renaissance. There's nothing like Krummhorns in the Morning :-)

  53. piratebay works fine for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not sure why no one has suggested the obvious best venue: Piratebay. This way you can find whatever you need in whatever bitrate you want (as someone else has said, mp3 is fucking trash for classical music.. even death magnetic a heavy metal album sounded like dogshit in nasty compressed mp3) and not have to shell out 95% of the bill towards a greedy publisher.

    Last two albums I wanted:

    -realize an album is out
    -check wikipedia to confirm album name/release date
    -download torrent from piratebay
    -double click an icon on my desktop

    I now have it. Forever. No DRM. No greedy publisher getting their filthy hands on one mother fucking cent.

    And though most people don't believe me until they see me doing this in person, I mail a check for the price of the album (the actual price as if I bought it in a store) to the artist/studio.

    Of the 87 checks I've mailed, only 13 have been cashed. 48 have been returned. 26 lost and forgotten or whatever. To me that simply means 13 artists have accepted payment and 74 wanted me to have their work for free. That was nice of them and I appreciate it.

    Now I want to see some fire.. some flames and rage from all the legal and ethical geniuses of /.

    1. Re:piratebay works fine for me by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And though most people don't believe me until they see me doing this in person, I mail a check for the price of the album (the actual price as if I bought it in a store) to the artist/studio.
      Of the 87 checks I've mailed, only 13 have been cashed. 48 have been returned. 26 lost and forgotten or whatever. To me that simply means 13 artists have accepted payment and 74 wanted me to have their work for free. That was nice of them and I appreciate it.

      Because artists pay for all the studio time, recording costs, promotion and advertising and so on, so therefore they should have 100% of the selling price.
      You really are an absolute shower.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:piratebay works fine for me by yehudi99 · · Score: 1

      Demonoid's better than TPB.

    3. Re:piratebay works fine for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And though most people don't believe me until they see me doing this in person, I mail a check for the price of the album (the actual price as if I bought it in a store) to the artist/studio.

      Of the 87 checks I've mailed, only 13 have been cashed. 48 have been returned. 26 lost and forgotten or whatever. To me that simply means 13 artists have accepted payment and 74 wanted me to have their work for free. That was nice of them and I appreciate it.

      Because artists pay for all the studio time, recording costs, promotion and advertising and so on, so therefore they should have 100% of the selling price.

      You really are an absolute shower.

      Didn't I say I sent it to the artist/studio? Usually it's a studio. Only rarely is it one group/individual.

      You were just faced with a pirater who justifies pirating perfectly so you ignored part of what I said to try to make a point.

      I'm currently pirating 120 GB of media. It'll be done in a couple days and I'll enjoy the hell out of it.

      Have fun wasting your money and feeding greedy publishers.

      It's important that they have diamond studded golden swimming pools because gold alone just won't do right?

      Isn't it really important that we protect the interests of the billion dollar corporations? I for one know I'd put my life on the line for them. Those guys really have the working man's best interests at heart.

      In short, shut your mouth when dealing with a genius.

  54. Classicsonline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I strongly second http://www.classicsonline.com/

  55. Re:Classical streamed FM radio: www.kusc.org by VoidCrow · · Score: 1

    I'm tempted to make some lame joke about Sackbutts, but I suspect that I already did. How-evar... I'm a recent convert to the wonderful sound of Citterns... I don't suppose you know which shady alleys might serve my deviant tastes in music?

  56. Diverdi by lfav · · Score: 1

    Here in Spain I use Diverdi, at www.diverdi.com. I only buy classical music in SACD, and they have a really huge catalog. SACD Hybrid discs have a CD layer, making it simple to move tracks to your computer or portable audio player. It's true that you have to buy additional equipment (I recommend Oppo's BDP-83!), but the difference in sound quality is staggering, and well worth the added cost.

  57. check out the Avant Garde Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you're into the more cutting edge classical world, check out the Avant Garde music project website. This guy rips some obscure and out of print classical records to MP3s and FLACs. i was able to find the original World Of Harry Partch double album (long out of print on Columbia) plus some Mauricio Kagel pieces. Check them out;

    http://www.avantgardeproject.org/

  58. Classical Archives by budfields · · Score: 1

    The best option is Classical Archives:

    http://classicalarchives.com/

    Great selection, great editing of the site by musicians who know what they are doing, unlimited streaming for $6/month or buy tracks as you like.

  59. US or other? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends what stores are open near where you are.

  60. Parent is right by tgv · · Score: 1

    The parent is right. Listen to a harpischord recording at 128kbps. It's awful. Or a soprano. If you can't hear any effects of MP3 encoding, you're not trying hard enough. Perhaps 256 or 320 is fine, but Amazon doesn't sell them.

  61. HDtracks.com by glodime · · Score: 1

    I think that you would be pleased with hdtracks.com's classical selection. They don't have anything composed by György Ligeti. But you could always visit thepiratebay.org since you don't seem to mind US copyright law. Also, Wikipedia seems to provide some useful links to György Ligeti recordings.

  62. Many classics by b4upoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is not just the Mozart and Bach type of classic that is missing. Things like Dixieland jazz and Rockabilly also are quite hard to come by. Our musical heritage is being lost. A lot of this loss is caused by the copyright nuts. If they would let outfits like Stream Tuner alone much music could be preserved. As it is many of the tunes could not be properly recorded when originally created as machines did not exist that could do the job. So what we are left with are people in the 1950 era playing the old tunes and re-issuing that music. That creates that copyright nightmare all over again.

    1. Re: Many classics by Netssansfrontieres · · Score: 1

      Some of this loss, doubtless, *is* caused by the copyright nuts.
      However, another part is caused by the decline and fall of curated media (good record stores, good radio stations) in favor of search engines whose algorithms are basically popularity contests, gamed to sell ads. These show the fallacy of the long tail argument (tm), because - as this /. thread shows - the search engines, and predictive algorithms (if you liked xx you should like yy) herd people into more tightly knit winner groups. The interwebs haven't hurt Lady Gaga; they've crushed lots of minor classical ensembles.

  63. Qobuz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.qobuz.com/ also offers a pretty good (not only) clasical catalog in mp3, wma lossless and apple lossless.

  64. Classics Online by Landak · · Score: 1

    Classics Online, owned by the decidedly non-RIAA Naxos label, is by far the best source I've ever found. Not only do they have *everything* from Anonymous Four onwards, but they're not Evil, don't have any DRM, give away a free track a week, and frequently have "samplers" of composers you'll never have heard of, where you get ~20 tracks for £2/$2. I'm not affiliated with them, but I am a rather satisfied customer.

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  65. also KDB Re:CBC radio 2 by new500 · · Score: 1


    Also check out KDB Radio at kdb.com. Monthly advance listings are where to look. Pretty good signal for internet radio. Annoying plugin, but i beleive that's an acceptable trade, see this next bit:

    Here you go: http://kdb.com/musicsched.htm

    sure, it's "programmed music" i.e. to fit their day plan / style, but i've never heard an interruption to any piece.

    This is /., so that static page & those track play timings listed in the last 5chars following a parens without a space, and those schedule separators (" Eine Kleine Morgenmusik 6 to 9am", "Rhapsody 9am to Noon" etc.) can be usesul, right? :-)

  66. A simple solution to the problem by Old+Flatulent+1 · · Score: 1
    As long as companies like Sony can hog all the great stuff and squirrel it away or let it out in dribs and drabs. Then classical music distribution is doomed. The simple solution would be to set up kiosks with the ability to burn high bit rate content on demand! That way the distribution costs of inventory would evaporate and a new system of music distribution could make the industry flourish once more. I would gladly pay top dollar for premium recordings of the great artists as I am sure most other classical listeners would.

    Trouble is the people who distribute classical music have got their head up their ass and cannot see the forest for the trees.

  67. Piratebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm serious. The chance of you finding a specific recording of classical music is much higher on PB (or some other bittorent site) than on, for instance, iTunes. Especially if it is public domain or has some free for distribution license.

    Same goes for old blues and jazz recordings and PB is THE source to find 1880-1960's Swedish popular music, lot of old Swedish people digitazing their old grammophone records and sharing.

    Unfortunatly it is much less of that stuff on PB than it used to be a couple of years ago.

  68. wait, there's more... by poptones · · Score: 2, Informative

    DG did an early digital (Philips) recording of Tchaikovsky's 4,5 and 6th as performed by the Berliner Philharmoniker and conducted (of course) by Von Karajan. This was, for me, "the" recording ever since I was a teen and first heard it. Anyway, you can buy even those recordings on their site. It's not as if they just have new stuff, or just have giant classics (although that recording was important in many ways) - they've been moving toward having EVERYTHING in their catalog online. And once you buy it, it's yours - I've had two oops events and all it took to regain them was to log back into the site and add them to my download queue. They also have been known to give out freebies on certain holidays.

    Oh yeah - and there's usenet. You may find it hard to believe, but there's quite a lot being shared there.

  69. Streamtuner? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    There are thousands of radio stations acessible via Streamtuner and these can of course be saved with Streamripper.

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  70. Vitamin String Quartet by hyenadude · · Score: 1

    I have nothing really constructive to add but more of an off shoot that is semi-related. The Vitamin String Quartet can be rather amusing. Basically they are a revolving cover "band" that does string arrangements of some what popular artists work. They tend to do mostly punk/metal/rock type stuff. Mainly a novelty act from what I can gather but I would recommend the album they did of Bad Religion (mega fan of them). Its interesting to hear works that you know (especially in genres not known for their technical merits) become "classicalized". Do a Google or YouTube search and youll find a some of their stuff. If I remember properly you can get their stuff through iTunes. Good luck

  71. Ligeti string quartets are on iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's where I bought them. So are Lisa Bielawa, Zoe Keating, several Golijov recordings, El-Khoury, and plenty of other contemporary classical music. Have you actually bothered looking?

  72. Re:Classical streamed FM radio: www.kusc.org by david.emery · · Score: 1

    http://magnatune.com/ has already been mentioned, they have some good Early Music recordings. Check out the folk stuff, too, there's some good crossover material.

  73. canadacd.ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For buying CDs and SACDs, you can try CanadaCD.ca
    Greg (the owner) is super friendly and knowledgeable and likes to help people find good music.

    (yes, I know them, so this is a bit of a shameless plug, but it's true)

  74. Dude, just (re)search. by uncledrax · · Score: 1

    Honestly, find a few labels that carry the stuff you know you like, and sign up for their newsletter or just check the release schedule on occasion. The other alternative, as someone mentioned, was to find a group of similar minded individuals and join their forum (Google can help you with that).
    Aside from that, you can try the usual streaming suspects (last.fm and Pandora, etc..) but you might also try some off the wall streamers like Soma.fm, etc.

    Is MySpace still an e-venue for bands trying to do promotion? Does Wikipedia have articles for bands you like?

    Also, if you can describe what types/aspects of 'classic' you like, especially for the historical stuff, that will help you tons. For example I perfer Harpsichords over Pianos, and especially accompanied by strings... alittle hunting brings up a few hits that that gets you started.

    Once you FIND what you're looking for, I'm sure you still have some sorta media store like a BestBuy that you can put in special orders from, or just buy their stuff on Amazon, etc

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  75. Tracks vs. movements... by LeMiklos · · Score: 1

    Most of the popular music delivery services (you can parse this in two ways) consider music contents as constituted of one single sound file (or stream). Classical music works are usually much more than one single "track" and are structured - one level (movements) or more (e.g., for operas: acts, scenes; multiple works, etc.). Only few metadata systems take this into account and know how to present a work as a whole yet structured into its "parts", and without repeating the whole title on each of the parts. Additionally, in most of these systems, there is no real distinction between performer(s) and author(s) (composer of the music, author of the lyrics, etc.).

  76. DRM-free from Deutsche Grammophon by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 1

    Deutsche Grammophon has a DRM-free web store (predictably at www.deutschegrammophon.com). Once you register with them, you can always go back to your account and re-download stuff you've bought, and the content is delivered as high-bitrate MP3s with no DRM, so you can move them between devices without difficulty.

    I am not affiliated with these folks, I'm just a satisfied customer, and also slightly mystified that a DRM-free music store isn't more widely known.

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  77. Classical Music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.instantencore.com

  78. Finding Classical Music by wkeri11a · · Score: 1

    Have you tried PBS.org? They seem to show all sorts of classical stuff - maybe through the site are others that target this genre.

  79. CD Connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One great place to buy CDs online (including but not limited to classical music) is http://cdconnection.com/ which is one of the oldest online stores--for all I know, quite possibly the oldest still in existence. They were selling CDs online (via a telnet interface, originally) before the world wide web escaped from CERN.

    Although the interface to the store may be a bit old-school, the prices and service are good and the selection very good. I've been a very satisfied customer.

  80. Other sources by yusing · · Score: 1

    I don't expect to find classical on the net any more than at most record stores. The demand's too small, and if they have any at all, it's usually by crappy little eastern Europe orchestras at bargain prices.

    If you're anywhere near a big city, public libraries often have tastefully chosen recordings; often they show little wear. There are also quite a few classical stations listed in iTunes; many of them have PD's who know their music. MN Public Radio has long had an excellent station.

    Once I hear something on there I know I'll be appreciating for a lifetime, I'll go buy it. Else the day will come when those recordings are only available used.

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  81. HDTracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo. HDTracks.com. Also check out Linn Records, and 2L. Excellent quality recordings!

  82. Musical Heritage Society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.musicalheritage.com/

    This might not fit your esoteric criteria, but for a naive listener (such as I) it had selections and off beat performances that I valued. To my surprise they still exist and they might sell some selections you might have an interest.

    A text search of the comments did not show anyone had mentioned this option.

  83. http://www.discogs.com/ by kiep · · Score: 1
  84. Public Radio (WXXI - Rochester, NY) by Bilbo · · Score: 1

    Granted, this is a local public radio station in upstate NY, but you can stream it anywhere. WXXI is one of the vanishing breed of predominantly Classical radio stations here in the US. They have some jazz programs, and a little bit of news (and you have to put up with the occasional Public Radio fundraisers), but it is probably 90% high quality classical music programming: http://streaming.wxxi.org/fm-hi

    (The station has been around for something like 40 years, so it's the station I grew up on!)

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  85. Classical music aggregator by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1
  86. Oops -- Please Stand By by TypoNAM · · Score: 1
    Either we slashdotted the stream server or this is typical error message for those outside of Canada:
    Title: Please Stand By
    32 kbps 16 KHz

    Automated message that keeps looping every 30 seconds:

    Oops, looks like this live stream is experiencing some technical difficulties.
    Our apologies for the delay.
    We are working on a solution, so please stay tuned.

    While some ethnic or dream music is playing in the background, almost sounds like Enya.
    I'm located in Tennessee, US.

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  87. Mode Records by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

    If you like "new music" you should really check out Mode Records at:

    www.moderecords.com

    Lots of Xenakis, Feldman, Cage, etc., etc. I think they are physical media only, but I know that at least some of their albums (e.g. the JACK quartet's recording of Xenakis's string quartets) are available on iTunes and Amazon.

  88. eclassical.com by julipan · · Score: 1

    Have you tried http://eclassical.com/ ?
    They offer only mp3's, but at least they're DRM free.

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  89. Pretty good, but not perfect by talornin · · Score: 1
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  90. Not "pre-" equipped by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu is equipped. Not pre-equipped.

    Pre- turns a noun into an adjective. "Civil War" is a noun. Pre-Civil War is an adjective that we can use to describe things from before the Civil War. Pre means "chronologically before" not "in advance". Heated is not an event, but if it were... then a pre-heated oven would be ROOM TEMPERATURE. Unless it was a gas oven and the pilot light gave it some additional warmth.

    Descriptivist excuse making in 3... 2....

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  91. Public Domain by rtega · · Score: 1
    If you are looking for grand public domain recordings, have a look here: http://public-domain-archive.com/classic/?lang=eng .

    This collection contains some of the most miraculous recordings of the previous century.

  92. Something a little off the beaten track... by tmn379 · · Score: 1

    Every Friday the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum hosts live chamber music; twice each month they post those concerts on their web site as mp3s that you can download for free (under the Creative Commons License): http://gardnermuseum.org/music/library.asp It's an eclectic mix of music performed by either local musicians or young talent... Not too many famous performers.

  93. I didn't see this in the replies... by dsavage · · Score: 1

    Have you tried The International Music Score Library project? http://imslp.org/ A friend of mine suggested it, it looks like you can search by instrument... -D