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Firefox May Soon Overtake IE In Europe

peterkern writes "The July browser market share reports are somewhat inconsistent, but if we believe StatCounter, then it looks like Firefox will be overtaking Microsoft IE's market share next month. The two browsers are both within 1 point of 40% market share, IE above and Firefox below. Europeans are more crazy about Firefox than Americans: In Germany, Firefox has a 61% market share, while IE has only 25%. Google Chrome is, according to StatCounter, now above 10%. ConceivablyTech has more details, including market share data from both StatCounter and Net Applications (which as of this month is limiting its free data)."

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  1. pretty much over the browser wars by kiddygrinder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as long as other browsers have a big enough market share that MS has to continue play nice and follow standards it's not even that important.

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  2. Re:Browser market share by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course this is all irrelevant to firefox making history by overtaking IE in Europe. An analogy, many parts of the world have universal healthcare but it would still be history for the USA if it was introduced there.

  3. Take a walk, Ballmer by water-and-sewer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's getting harder and harder for Steve Ballmer to point to his resume and be able to justify his work over the past decade. While Microsoft has pushed out upgrades to all its software, the big picture is gloomy enough to make him sweat at upcoming board meetings: total loss to the ipod in the music market, total catastrophe in Microsoft's internally-competing music formats and platforms (Plays for Sure?), impending catastrophe in smart phones as RIM, Apple, and now Android eat his lunch, and growing irrelevance of desktop office software. Yes, they skirted disaster with Vista and pushed out Windows 7 which is generally well liked. But Microsoft is slipping behind in key growth markets and lack of vision and leadership is a big part of that.

    If I were on the Board, I'd be telling Ballmer to go work on his golf game, and bring in new leadership. Microsoft has lots of talented developers and engineers. But upper management is sinking the ship.

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    1. Re:Take a walk, Ballmer by allcar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Add to this their lack of success in pushing into the Enterprise Server market. .NET never had the impact they hoped. J2EE is still king of the application servers. SQL Server has made very little impact on the DB market. Oracle is King there. Windows Server has made few dents in the domination of UNIX. Solaris is still a force to be reckoned with. Open source has made far more impact in these areas - My SQL, PHP, Linux, but for the bigger enterprises, Larry's Empire is now becoming dangerously dominant, whilst Ballmer is largely an irrelevance and McNeely has gone completely. No doubt who won the battle of the CEOs.

    2. Re:Take a walk, Ballmer by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What planet are you on? .Net is big and getting bigger every year (in the past year we have been approached once for J2EE work, its been solidly .Net with a smattering of PHP, and these are not small jobs), SQL Server and Windows Server both enjoy increasing market share, with Oracle above and other offerings below.

    3. Re:Take a walk, Ballmer by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh-huh. I bet you see a lot of financial organizations basing their infrastructure off Mono.

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  4. Re:Browser market share by lattyware · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And Firefox has succeeded in doing what it was really meant to do - getting rid of the hell that was IE6. As long as microsoft keep trying to imporve their implementation of standards, then I don't care if people use IE or not. Personally, I use Firefox because of NoScript, AdBlock and DownThemAll, and the fact it has a master password for it's password database (unlike Chrome).

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  5. Corporate Browser by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm hoping the big change comes as corporations replace IE6. Moving to IE8 puts them in almost the same position they're in now 5 years down the road with respect to standards compliance, tie-in to the OS, etc, but it seems that's what most are doing. Perhaps some of them will have learned something.

  6. companies by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In Germany, Firefox has a 61% market share, while IE has only 25%.

    And a huge part of that is companies that are suffering from Microsoft lock-in. Seriously, when I see people's private computers, be it friends or people at the airport, etc. - it is probably 80% or more Firefox. In most of the companies, however, IE is still the corporate standard, and quite often the only allowed browser.

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    1. Re:companies by Lennie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is because of the deployment system and profile-settings for IE. Official Firefox doesn't have them. They are working on MSI's for Firefox 4 though. That's the first step.

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  7. Re:Europeans aren't trained well by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, selling online I've noticed that Europeans are terrible consumers. They don't listen well to our support staff, they immediately charge back if the service is not up to par, etc. etc. It's a hell dealing with Europeans.

    If you're looking to make money, honestly, invest in US consumers first. Much easier to part them from their money and to convince them not to cancel/buy more.

    So what you're saying is that we're less gullible and more demanding? Why thank you, that's really nice of you.

    I'll let you get back to assraping ignorant 'merkins now ;-)

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  8. Re:Not such a good news by AlexiaDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those sites should not make their ads annoying. Google text adds are fine most of the time, unless page has crapton of them. Discrete page fitting ads are fine as-well. But you cant really live without an ad blocker on today's web where certain ads scream at you and prevent you from focusing on the content. It's visual mostly, but some people still haven't gotten the memo about self playing voice adds being a bad thing...

  9. Re:Browser market share by Thinboy00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's partly because the US sucks at regulating anti-competitive practices.

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