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King Tut's Chariot a Marvel of Ancient Engineering

astroengine writes "King Tutankhamun, who ruled Egypt over 3,000 years ago, looks as if he was chauffeured around the desert in one of the earliest-known high-performance vehicles. Tut's chariots surpass all monumental structures of the pharaohs in engineering sophistication. Discovered in pieces by British archaeologist Howard Carter when he entered King Tut's treasure-packed tomb in 1922, the collection consisted of two large ceremonial chariots, a smaller highly decorated one, and three others that were lighter and made for daily use. 'These vehicles appear to be the first mechanical systems which combine the use of kinematics, dynamics and lubrication principles,' said Alberto Rovetta, professor in robotics engineering at the Polytechnic of Milan."

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  1. bwahahahahaha by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    . 'These vehicles appear to be the first mechanical systems which combine the use of kinematics, dynamics and lubrication principles

    I combined your mom's use of kinematics, dynamics, and lubrication principles with my mechanical systems last night.

    OH SNAP!

    1. Re:bwahahahahaha by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like a slow, loose, and greasy event!

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    2. Re:bwahahahahaha by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      I combined your mom's use of kinematics, dynamics, and lubrication principles with my mechanical systems last night.

      I see your ability to craft a joke is far inferior to ancient Egyptians's ability to craft chariots.

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    3. Re:bwahahahahaha by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh Pojut, I always waver on whether or not I want to friend you. I like your site and you can be funny on occaison. But then you pull a Your Mom with an Oh Snap and... well...

      You can see where I'm torn, yes?

  2. I would expect nothing less... by jaymzter · · Score: 5, Funny

    from our pyramid building, cat worshipping, space travelling, interstellar overlords.

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    1. Re:I would expect nothing less... by metlin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would expect nothing less...

      from our pyramid building, cat worshipping, space travelling, interstellar Goa'uld overlords.

      There. Fixed that for ya! ;-)

    2. Re:I would expect nothing less... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Engineering, sure. But could they explain all these complex concepts using chariot analogies?

      - RG>

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  3. HOLY AMAZING! by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that they realized all those years ago that soft is more comfortable than hard, slippery is faster than sticky and light is less work than heavy is amazing! And that easily makes these chariots "surpass all monumental structures of the pharaohs in engineering sophistication." Moving thousands of tons of rock without machinery is easy compared to slopping fat on a stick!

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    1. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dancin' by the Nile, the ladies loved his style.
      Rockin' for a mile, he ate a crocodile.
      Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia, King Tut.

    2. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Informative

      Light is easy, light and strong is sophisticated. Also, the article alludes to springs and shock absorbers, a step up in engineering from just building a light and strong cart.

    3. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that easily makes these chariots "surpass all monumental structures of the pharaohs in engineering sophistication." Moving thousands of tons of rock without machinery is easy compared to slopping fat on a stick!

      The patent/copyright finally ran out on the chariot thing about 200 years ago, leading to the Industrial Revolution.

      When the patent/copyright runs out on "magically levitating giant stone blocks into pyramid shapes" sometime in the future, I think we're going to have a heck of a lot of fun.

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    4. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by avandesande · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's nice but the engineering behind the pyramids construction impresses me (and many others) more.

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    5. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The fact that they realized all those years ago that soft is more comfortable than hard, slippery is faster than sticky and light is less work than heavy is amazing!

      Well, it is pretty amazing if your Egyptology worldview accepts things like:

      * geometrically perfect granite sarcophagi, which modern machinery tools would be hard pressed (if even able) to replicate, were made by slaves - who used basalt chisels.
      * The pyramids, which have no scientific or explicable cultural explanation as to their function were constructed by slaves using pulleys, and crude tools - despite their geometric perfection, astronomical and astrological representation, and demonstration of very advanced science all around.

      * The same people who built these things - the supposed Egyptians of not that long ago - went into decline inexplicably, and some of the most powerful kings were buried in caves, not the pyramids.
      * The same people who built these things (and kept slaves, used primitive tools, and had bad teeth) were capable of complex hieroglyphic communication which we do not fully understand today.
      * The Sphinx, which is obviously water stained and eroded by anyone who has ever viewed the spillway of a dam, is eroded by sand.

      Honestly, the "Ancient Egyptian gods were really Go'ould" explanations are more reasonable than the nonsense espoused by contemporary Egyptology.

      So really, these chariots aren't surprising. What's surprising is that Egyptologists stick with what they think they know instead of accepting the facts of the world around them.

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    6. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Informative

      >Other than the 3d rendering (uhhh, why not a photo?!)

      I would bet that it is related to the fact that the article doesn't feature Zahi Hawass chiming in.

      It's funny how much control Hawass has on what is said and shown about Egyptian antiquity.

      Now you'll notice that you rarely, if *ever*, see anything in Egypt without Zahi Hawass telling you what to think about it.

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    7. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought that the claim that slaves built the pyramids was placed in serious doubt recently.

    8. Re:HOLY AMAZING! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Funny

      When the patent/copyright runs out on "magically levitating giant stone blocks into pyramid shapes" sometime in the future, I think we're going to have a heck of a lot of fun.

      There's no particular mystery to how they did it - without magical levitation.

      It's interesting to pull a few blocks off a pyramid. You find inscriptions on them that say things like:

      "We DID IT! - Tiger Team Eight."

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  4. Re:Um, Not? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lets see how round your tires are after 3300 years.

    FTA

    Even at speeds of about 25 miles per hour on Egypt's irregular soil, King Tut's chariots were efficient and pleasant to ride.

    I seriously doubt that 25MPH over a sand dune will eject the occupant.

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  5. Re:Um, Not? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And how fast could a horse pull a chariot over 'the desert dunes' without ejecting the occupant?

    Well, that's why he is called "The Boy King" and not "The King Who Reached a Ripe Old Age." He got tossed from his Mach Five Chariot, while still young, broken his leg, and died from an infection.

    Ferrari chariots? I guess he was more like James Dean of his time. Except James Dean had a Porsche Chariot.

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  6. Re:Um, Not? by blair1q · · Score: 5, Informative

    Egypt isn't all sand dunes. Near the Nile it's pretty light on the sand dunes, and 4600 years ago could have been even less sand-duney.

    They even had paved roads.

  7. Re:Huh? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure.

    Lower rolling resistance means more speed per horsepower and less fatigue per horse.

  8. Exaggeration of Ancient Greece that is .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    in modern western philosophy, literature and science, we are all thought about how great the greek civilization was, how they invented most of the concepts we use today, and ideas and principles, how glorious it was in that cesspit of ancient history, this and that.

    however, when one takes up history as a hobby, and reads up by himself/herself, it is a soon made discovery that for centuries before and during the climax of ancient greece, greeks went to egypt to study. the schools and learning in egypt encompassed practically everything, classified in two different school genres : school of life taught matters related to physical world - medicine, architecture, geometry and so on, school of death taught matters related to the otherworld. one finds out that a goodly number of the greek prominent figures, at least those who could afford it, went to egypt to study, or studied material transferred from egypt.

    it is an even more stunning discovery to find out that, most of the spiritual and philosophical concepts we use in everyday life today, even extending to some customs, originate from egypt.

    but, due to the most free material that is being free of church influence that was available in renaissance and baroque being ancient greece material that the byzantine scholars brought from istanbul when they fleed the ottoman conquest, western literature and science has developed by a misplaced influence of greece. which is quite natural actually, because until the end of 18th century, there wasnt any awareness of existence of a civilization like egypt.

    what is appalling though, is, that still goes on ....

    1. Re:Exaggeration of Ancient Greece that is .... by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tragedy, not Travesty. It's a tragedy that it burned down. It's not, however, a travesty, unless you consider the irony in the fact that the fire was set by the Romans in an effort to limit the communication of their enemies. Even then, though, the fire was set on docked ships, it's just that it got out of control and spread to the docks themselves and then the city of Alexandria... the library itself was not intentionally burned down: it was an accident.

    2. Re:Exaggeration of Ancient Greece that is .... by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget that until the Rosetta Stone, nobody could read hieroglyphics, whereas everyone could read Greek, so it's hardly surprising that Egypt was just considered a mystery.

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    3. Re:Exaggeration of Ancient Greece that is .... by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it even goes beyond that. I'm constantly reading these stories about how sophisticated ancient civilizations were compared to our previous belief, and even about mankind's more-ancient ancestors. I'm convinced that our ancestors were much more advanced in nearly every way than we give them credit for.

      I suspect that some of that is that we want to believe we've developed beyond our views of our 'primitive' ancestors, and that desire helps to keep us from seeing the truth. Imagine what will be left of our civilization in a few thousand years (especially if electronic records don't survive). They'll be making all kinds of crazy guesses that will almost certainly be completely inaccurate.

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  9. Re:Um, Not? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, Egyptian Consumer Reports noted that "The Tut Chariot, made by Toyota, is prone to unexplainable sudden acceleration. However, it gets good hay mileage. And depending on the whip you use, it can do 0-60 in under 3 minutes."

  10. Just like modern Porche owner by Okonomiyaki · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like more evidence for that small penis theory.

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:King_Tut_had_a_small_penis

  11. Ancient Egypt had good engineers by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently saw the travelling King Tutankhamen exhibit and got to reading a bit about their technology. Besides being able to organize and motivate well enough to build the Great Pyramid, which required cutting, transporting, and installing twelve 3 ton blocks per hour, every hour, for 20 years, they knew about prime and perfect numbers, the Sieve of Eratosthenes, first-order linear equations, and summing linear and arithmetic sequences. They knew about pi and calculated it to about five digits, and could calculate the surface area of hemispheres and the volume of frustrums, which means they could do integral calculus (although they didn't realize that's what they were doing.)

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    1. Re:Ancient Egypt had good engineers by c0lo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And they used slaves to do it all

      Using slaves to compute the first 5 digits of PI and do integral calculus, eh?
      Fast-forward 3000 years, these slave are called engineers - and the "masters" are no longer called kings but MBA (some owing Ferrari-es too).

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  12. Re:Really really old news by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Especially old, in the sense that this chariot was excavated in 1922, and has been on display in Egypt for decades. The rash of recent articles about this "high-performance chariot" is due to it being loaned out to a foreign exhibit for the first time, which is noteworthy, but from the press you'd think this object was newly unearthed a few days ago.

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  13. Re:Huh? by Tuidjy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The tallest horse skeleton from that period barely passes the horse/pony barrier (by 3cm) The average horse of the period was 1.3m tall and the bones suggest that it weighted about 30% less than the light riding horses of today. It probably would not have be able to go very fast or very far with a rider. Yes, people rode them sometimes, but mostly they were used in chariots.

    In a race between a rider and Tut's chariot, I'd definitely bet on the chariot, even with a driver in addition to the Pharaoh.

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  14. Egyptians go home. by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, but apart from the Great Pyramid, prime and perfect numbers, the Sieve of Eratosthenes, linear equations, sequences, pi, surface areas and volumes, what have the Egyptians done for us?

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  15. "Where's your hot rod now, Moses?" by Snufu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Best vintage garage find evar. It's gonna be a bitch to find parts.

  16. Xizbit "a" by NetNed · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wasn't this on pimp my chariot? They put 22's on it and Mad Mike installed 5 hieroglyphics flat panels on it.

  17. Really? by dfuess · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "They boasted an elegant design and an extremely sophisticated and astonishingly modern technology,"

    I find the premise of the article arrogantly modern. "They" didn't boast modern technology at all but rather demonstrated the of the state of the art in Egypt 3000 years ago. Perhaps the appropriate view is that today's engineering despite all its plastic and glitter has not advanced significantly beyond that of ancient Egypt in some areas. I do wonder why it is that we do so often equate ancient with stupid and marvel that those stupid old folk could actually have come up with a "modern" idea (which is the underlying theme of the article)?

  18. Metallic hinges by ModelX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the Cairo museum, next to the Tut's collection (it may be part of it, I'm not sure, I was there years ago), I saw a foldable bed frame with metallic hinges. I thought that was the technological high-point of the museum, I haven't seen anything like that from the same time frame anywhere in the world.