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Barnes and Noble Bookstore Chain Put In Play

suraj.sun sends in word that the country's largest bookstore chain, Barnes and Noble, will put itself up for sale. "The news surprised analysts and alarmed publishers, who have watched as the book business has increasingly shifted to online retailers and e-book sales, leaving both chains and independent sellers struggling. ... For years, Barnes & Noble has been battered by large shifts in the publishing industry and the retail environment. Book sales have moved toward big-box stores like Costco, Wal-Mart and Target, and away from mall-based stores like B. Dalton, which Barnes & Noble acquired in the late 1980s. 'There's been a long series of pressures,' said David Schick, managing director at Stifel Nicolaus in Baltimore. 'The market has not been kind to bookstores, and it's for new reasons like competition with Apple and Amazon, and it's for old reasons, like what we believe has been a decline in reading for the last 20 years. Americans have devoted less of what we call media time to books.'"

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  1. Let me tell you... by brouski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I sure feel great about my Nook purchase this week.

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    1. Re:Let me tell you... by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's the link on how to crack the DRM on the ePubs that Barnes and Nobel delivers their eBooks in, if you buy one.

      http://i-u2665-cabbages.blogspot.com/2009/12/circumventing-barnes-noble-drm-for-epub.html

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    2. Re:Let me tell you... by jockeys · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm in the same boat as you, but I bought the nook with no intention of ever buying ebooks from B&N so I'm not really too upset about it. There are many places to get ebooks. Also, if you haven't tried Calibre to manage your library, you owe it to yourself to try it out.

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    3. Re:Let me tell you... by RadioElectric · · Score: 3, Informative

      The UK subsidiary went out of business in December last year - all the staff lost their jobs on Christmas Eve.

    4. Re:Let me tell you... by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I sure feel great about my Nook purchase this week.

      I bought a nook for Christmas this year. Part of my thought process was how useful will the device be if the parent company goes out of business.

      The nook has wi-fi, so I don't need to rely on the 3G working. The nook has a user-replaceable battery. It reads open formats like PDF and ebup natively, so I don't need to rely on the B&N storefront to buy my books. The nook runs Android, and is relatively easy to jailbreak, so I don't have to rely on B&N for software updates.

      So, I figure that the nook is still going to be a handy device even if B&N goes out of business.

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    5. Re:Let me tell you... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry but you don't know this store, obviously. While there are a number of the coffee house crowd it normally does have a flow to the checkout line as well.

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    6. Re:Let me tell you... by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've not been to a Borders in years, but I've never even got the point of the DVD/CD section in the local bookstores here (which in this area are typically B&N and Books-a-million). They rarely have stuff that other places like Best Buy don't, and the prices are ridiculous. Boxed sets that are $30 at a regular store will be $65 in Barnes and Noble. Sure, they'll sometimes run a sale, and they have those "membership" cards to give some discounts, but even after you factor in all that stuff you're still typically paying more.

      Reality check to them: you're never going to get by selling the same thing everybody else does for double the price because it's in a trendy setting. Bookstores excel in one area: having the books that aren't necessarily the latest teen craze. I'm not exactly going to find a copy of Dandelion Wine down at Wal-mart, but I can at B&N.

      Stock those hard to find books, and for goodness sakes sort them in same sane fashion(sorting by category can be confusing - sometimes science fiction novels end up in "Literature" instead of the "Science Fiction/Fantasy" section for example). Put in a terminal that allows customers to look up what books you have in stock and show what shelf it's located on.

      And if they really wanted to pull in some extra customers - run a free e-book special for purchases in the brick and mortar store. I can imagine a lot more people buying there if Barnes and Noble had a code included with the books sold in their store that allowed you a free e-book copy of the work for your Nook - only for books purchased in the physical store (and naturally using that "no value until activated at the register" scheme so that people couldn't copy the codes out of the books).

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    7. Re:Let me tell you... by Psmylie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't even have to give e-book copies away for free. Allow me to purchase both the physical book and the e-book for, say, an additional $1 or $2 over the physical book's cover price, and I will be happy as a clam. Not only would I buy a Nook (which I don't have now) but I would also do all of my shopping at B&N rather than at Amazon, even doing in-store orders rather than ordering online for items not currently in stock. Non-B&N brick-and-mortar stores could ally up together to offer downloads for a similar pricing structure for books purchased in stores. Heck, the publishing industry in general should get behind it. It makes sense. Why in the world would I buy an e-book for very nearly the same cost as a hard copy, without some kind of added perk?

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    8. Re:Let me tell you... by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reality check to them: you're never going to get by selling the same thing everybody else does for double the price because it's in a trendy setting.

      Starbucks might disagree with you.

  2. We live in a multimedia word by ClaraBow · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is extremely hard for our kids to even have an opportunity to learn to love books! They are exposed to so many competing media at such an early age that books get relegated to schools as something they use. I teach and every year it gets harder and harder to get kids to read the simplest of texts. It is very sad as books offer a very personal relationship and intimate relationship with characters that no other medium can provide.

    1. Re:We live in a multimedia word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We have a PS3, an xbox 360 and a Wii, plus a PSP and an NDS. We have several hundred DVDs and blu-ray titles, plus on demand FiOS, several computers around the house and netflix. Our two kids spend more time in books than on all those combined. Don't blame the options available, blame the parents.

    2. Re:We live in a multimedia word by ClaraBow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wasn't distinguishing between physical and electronic books. It is the act of reading that is personal and intimate, irregardless of whether the text is printed on paper or delivered electronically.

    3. Re:We live in a multimedia word by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If your parents read to you, more chance you'll grow up liking books & reading.

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    4. Re:We live in a multimedia word by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also getting them books they enjoy. Something I see far too much, particularly from schools, is this emphasis on "classics." They want kids to read "good" literature and thus try to cram stuff they don't like at them. This very much leads to a books = boring kind of mentality. Let kids read what they want to read, even if you don't consider it to have literary value. I'm not saying don't offer them classic books, but if they don't want them leave it alone.

      For that matter, maybe what they are reading now will be classic some day. More than a couple of the "great" books we were made to read in school really weren't in my opinion. Wuthering Heights is basically a trash romance novel, it just happens to be an OLD trash romance novel and one that people latched on to as being "classic" for that reason.

    5. Re:We live in a multimedia word by Kpau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. But you're watching the intellectual death spiral that is the result of two generations of parental fail in a large percentage of the population (at least in the US). Side note: its very interesting to sit in the kids section of Barnes&Noble and do a little anthropological observation. Watch which families head for the shitty books that squeak and squawk and are mostly pictures. Listen to kids far too old hate on "chapter books". Watch them simply screw with the displays and misbehave ... Now compare this versus the families that sit and read together quietly and put books back that they aren't going to buy. There's about an 80/20 split... hard to sell books to an Idiocracy. This percentage has substantively changed in the last 25 years or so. Yeah, there are pockets of goodness but it rather reminds me of a sociological version of entering a dark age.

    6. Re:We live in a multimedia word by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not a matter of being "cliche" or "done before" or anything like that, it is a matter of being good or bad in my book. A novel can be the millionth of its type, but if it is a good novel then great.

      My objection are the "classics" that suck. They are not good stories. It just seems to be because they are old, who wrote them, and a bit of luck that they get labeled as some kind of great literature, where a modern novel will be passed over simply because it is new.

      When I was in high school, there was no sci fi at all on any of the reading lists unless you want to count 1984, which isn't really sci fi. This is not because there were no great sci fi novels, this was only back in the mid 90s, but because all the crusty academics that put together these lists can't consider anything made after their birth to be good to read.

      My objection to Wuthering Heights is that it is a crap romance story, not that it is a romance story. It is extremely poorly done. I don't care if it was the first trash romance novel, that doesn't make it any better.

  3. Re:I still enjoy reading a good physcal book(store by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always sworn that I'd never become the old fart who's confused in the world of modern technology, but I really miss being able to walk into a record store and flip through the endless racks of LPs or CDs. I suppose I'm going to miss book stores too, when that day comes not too long from now.

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  4. A sad day by lostros · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know that i will certainly miss the ability to wander through a bookstore and pick up authors or titles I might not have otherwise. I love brick and mortor stores and I for one am not ready to see them go.

  5. Maybe if they charged sane prices by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last time I went into a B&N store I was looking for something to read on an intercontiental flight, I found something but a quick check on amazon.com(not even bothering to look for anything that may even be cheaper) they had about a 50% markup and thats not even including the sales tax(shipping from Amazon was free). Now I understand having to pay a couple of bucks more for the convenience of walking out of the store with the book, but 50% is just insane. Their online store isn't much better, 95+% of the time they are considerably more expensive than amazon. They aren't dying solely because of factors outside of their control, they are dying because they feel entitled to margins that the more successful players in the industry have known to be unreasonable for a long while.

    1. Re:Maybe if they charged sane prices by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't dying solely because of factors outside of their control, they are dying because they feel entitled to margins that the more successful players in the industry have known to be unreasonable for a long while.

      Well, I think more accurately what happens is what you're describing is factors outside of their control.

      I don't think they need those margins because they feel 'entitled' to them, so much as Amazon has been able to rely on its sheet size to work on smaller margins. B&N is now simply being squeezed out so badly, they they can't compete.

      For them to sell at the same price as Amazon, they'd likely have to do it at an even greater loss -- which will squeeze them dry even faster.

      Amazon has truly been able to exploit Economies of scale, and B&N has not. With fewer people buying books overall, and Amazon being able to sell a much larger volume at a lower price, B&N has been squeezed from both ends.

      This isn't about entitlement.

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    2. Re:Maybe if they charged sane prices by bertoelcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would explain why the Half-Price Books around here are doing great. They are usually the same price as Amazon with a brick and mortar store.

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    3. Re:Maybe if they charged sane prices by confused+one · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amazon works out of a series of large, fairly automated warehouses. This allows them to keep their costs low. B&N, in comparison, has to maintain large storefronts on expensive retail real-estate, staffed by a crew of sales people, managers and maintenance staff. Based on my experience, B&N tends to maintain their stores at a level above that of their competition. B&N's real costs are considerably higher than Amazon's. That markup you speak of is, in part, a reflection of that.

    4. Re:Maybe if they charged sane prices by cappp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That’s because B&N are competing with the likes of Amazon and Costco who can exploit their strengths and easily outcompete. Amazon doesn’t pay sales tax in large portions of the US, maintains a smaller inventory, doesn’t pay for stores, has a tiny staff, and offers a huge range of goods through which to earn money. It doesn’t hurt that they’ve been supported by investors for the who were willing to see consistent annual losses with the hope of eventual stellar profits. Costco stocks a tiny portion of available titles, specifically those targeted at mass the mass audience, and sidesteps the problem of placing anything with questionable star-potential on its shelves.

      A little digging suggests that a book selling at its list price will give the retailer approximately 45% profit.

      Based on a list price of $27.95
      $3.55 - Pre-production - This amount covers editors, graphic designers, and the like
      $2.83 - Printing - Ink, glue, paper, etc
      $2.00 - Marketing - Book tour, NYT Book Review ad, printing and shipping galleys to journalists
      $2.80 - Wholesaler - The take of the middlemen who handle distribution for publishers
      $4.19 - Author Royalties - A bestseller like Grisham will net about 15% in royalties, lesser known authors get less. Also the author will be paying a slice of this pie piece to his agent, publicist, etc.
      This leaves $12.58, Money magazine calls this the profit margin for the retailer, however when was the last time you saw a bestselling novel sold at its cover price.

      Assuming the previous is correct, your local Barnes and Noble has to stretch that money to cover all those incidental costs of running a physical, specialist store – rent, local taxes, utilities, sales taxes, staffing costs, benefits, insurance, stocking cost, inventory and so on. Their prices are a real kick in the pocketbook but I don’t think they’re exactly swimming in profits either. Indeed, a quick look at their wikinvest page reveals that

      company-wide operating margin fell from 2.8% to 1.3% in FY2010

      . My econ’ tends to be on the weak side, and correct me if I’m wrong, but that means they’re making a profit of approximately 1c on every dollar sold (couldn't find the figure for Amazon but it looks like Apple has an operating margin of 29.1% and Microsoft has 39%).

    5. Re:Maybe if they charged sane prices by khchung · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Borders in the UK were anything to go by, "entitled to margins" isn't really the problem. There's every possibility the structure of the entire business is such that they essentially have to charge that much or they'll be making a whacking loss.

      Borders used their own specific barcode labels. Which means every book had to have a separate barcode label which they'd have to pay someone £X/hr to apply, [...]

      That's exactly what GP's "entitled to margins" means.

      If you are a sane manager, unless you think you are "entitled" to huge margins, you would be changing your business practices so your costs stay within your margin (which should be in line with your competitors')

      By keeping their business structured in the way to requires more margin that their competitors, and keeping the high margin on the prices, they are thinking they are "entitled" to such margins, and are in fact slowly killing the company.

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  6. Mom and Pop by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Funny

    And, with this shift, we will see the resurgence of the mom and pop bookstore that sells new and used books in a loving environment which was previously squeezed out by the mega chains. And I'm fine with that.

    Sadly, we'll also see the resurgence of those bookstores with five cats wandering around the store making the place smell like stale cat urine. I'm less fine with that...

  7. An interesting take on why they're failing by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Norman Spinrad has some interesting points about how the publishing and book sales businesses operate. They're like the music industry, only a lot worse in how they calculate the acceptable level of risk... even if an author has proved to be a fairly safe bet.

  8. Sad Day for Print by radicalpi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love reading, unfortunately I don't make enough time for it. I consider myself a very technical and electronic-savvy person. However, I have no intention of purchasing eBooks anytime in the future. There is something about owning a paperback and curling up with it as you flip through the pages. eBooks lack this personal touch. Browsing an online catalog doesn't compare to rummaging through the stacks and perusing a bookstore's inventory. It scares me greatly that we may, within my lifetime reach the point where we see the closure of the last brick and mortar bookstore.

  9. Saw this coming by Cereal+Box · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember seeing B&N devote a rather substantial amount of space to toys, games, etc. around a year or so ago, figured the writing was on the wall.

  10. Pricing hurts. membership requirements too by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a large free standing B&N up the street from me and a similarly large Borders not far down the road. The B&N has a Starbucks which probably draws a good number of people to the B&N on its own.

    While book pricing isn't bad its not great. New releases usually can be found cheaper elsewhere and they lord over you the fact that you can buy into their membership with a low $25 fee to get books at better prices. This is where they lose me, I don't want to be badgered into being a member of their store, let alone pay for the privilege. Throw in the horrendous pricing in their DVD and CD section and suddenly I find myself comparing all prices or desiring to hit the net to see if I can find it cheaper. Membership "rewards" never come across as friendly, let alone one I have to pay for.

    While I do laud them for having an atmosphere that encourages spending time there, reading, sipping coffee, and etc, they need to work on their pricing and ditch this pay for membership to get a discount routine. Just ditch the requirement to get a discount on books entirely.

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    1. Re:Pricing hurts. membership requirements too by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is where they lose me, I don't want to be badgered into being a member of their store, let alone pay for the privilege. Throw in the horrendous pricing in their DVD and CD section and suddenly I find myself comparing all prices or desiring to hit the net to see if I can find it cheaper. Membership "rewards" never come across as friendly, let alone one I have to pay for.

      My wife is a lead at our local B&N, so let me see if I can enlighten you a bit...

      Paying $25 for a B&N membership does make a lot of sense for some people. It's a 10% discount on everything bought there (including the coffee and ON TOP of the 30-40% discount on things like new hardcovers), so if you spend $251.00 in a year at B&N, you've made money back. Now most people WON'T spend $250.00 a year there, but there are people who regularly spend over $250.00 a MONTH in there, and not taking the card would be insane. My wife has been flabbergasted by customers who are making a $500.00 purchase and won't take the card (essentially getting paid $25 to take it) because "You don't have to pay for Borders' card!" Last I checked, Borders' card is a "Rewards Card" type deal that eventually gives you a gift certificate after so many dollars worth of purchases as opposed to a flat discount, so I can understand why you don't have to pay for it... Removing the $25 fee, though, would be functionally equivalent to reducing their income by 10%, which doesn't seem to be a smart move for a chain trying to stay in business...

      Secondly, the CD and DVD section isn't there to sell you the latest popular movies/albums (though they happily eat up the obscene profits from people buying them there). Why would you buy Avatar from them for $30 when it's available at Best Buy for $22 (Or the Wal-Mart double disc pack for $20)? What they do provide is an insanely large back-catalog of old/obscure films and audio. The kid at Best Buy looked at me cross-eyed when I asked him to order me "Hard Boiled" ("Order? You mean like online? And what's 'Hard Boiled'?"), while B&N offered for me to have it shipped to my house or brought in for in-store-pickup. Want that ten disc set of great violen concerts at Carnegie Hall? Good luck finding that Best Buy or Sam Goody, but you'd better believe B&N can get it for you. Looking for indie albums with very small releases? They can get it shipped to you from the store where that artists plays. Yes, plays, as in B&N music sections go out of their way to stock local artists and bring them in for signings and performances.

      So I completely understand why B&N's membership service and Music section are not for you, but believe me when I say that there ARE people who enjoy them very much.

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  11. Re:It's the price of books has became obscene... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't care if it's Jesus's suggested retail price. If it's less than half the cost somewhere else, it's moronic.

    Are you trying to say that stores are required to sell at MSRP? They aren't.

  12. The last physical media to fall? by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    About 12 years ago Napster made downloading music easy. We had easy ways to take that downloaded music and integrate it with our existing habits via CD burners. Legal alternatives soon followed. Eventually record shops closed their doors. Not due to piracy but to due to uselessness. Now we have devices like MP3 players and iPods that let us enjoy our downloaded music in a more efficient manner than the old burn-to-CD method.

    Thanks to codecs like Divx, movies became downloadable in a semi-reasonable amount of time. Later technologies like Hulu made streaming possible. Rentals stores are taking a beating and stores specializing in selling movies and TV shows have all but disappeared. Originally like CDs, you had to burn your movies to DVDs to watch them on a TV but thanks to HDTV and to set-top boxes, there are more efficient ways to enjoy downloaded TV and movies.

    With books there was always a rub: There was no simple way to integrate them with out existing habits. You could print something but it would likely be on single-sided 8.5"x11" paper. You could read it off the screen but that's a lot less comfortable and convenient. With books, we had to wait for the more efficient device in order for electronic distribution to become feasible. I imagine we'll see a very rapid shift now that such devices exist and are becoming affordable. It'll be like the near-overnight industrialization that happens in nations these days compared to the slow, drawn-out process it was when Britain industrialized.

    Barnes and Noble is in trouble and they know it. It's a good time to sell.

    1. Re:The last physical media to fall? by jlusk4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's also print-on-demand. Drop your Kindle in the tub and you're out, what, $175? Drop a paperback in, and you're out $6. Same with whacking insects, trips to the beach, leaving the thing lying in your chair while you move the laundry to the dryer in the laundromat....

  13. Books are too expensive for casual reading by grumling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The bookstores wanted a lot of repeat business, so they pushed frequent buyer cards and book clubs (like Columbia House records in the '80s). Because they gave a "discount" price to frequent buyers, the publishers were free to jack up the price to keep margins high. When a casual buyer came in to get a book, it was priced at $16-20, which is just on the edge of an impulse buy. This was to push you into signing up for the frequent buyer club (which as others point out, wasn't free at B&N), even though you had no intention of using the card enough to make it pay. You may have bought that $20 book, but you weren't likely to go back either.

    As for WalMart and Target, well, they found a niche and filled it. Now the casual buyer has a place to get a book once in a while. The high end book addict will eventually head to e-books. Or maybe sooner than later. I basically haven't bought a book for years, but suddenly I have the Amazon Kindle app on my new phone, which I used to get 3 books on the first day without even giving it a second thought... that's slippery economics. The quality of the screen is just fine for reading, too (Samsung Galaxy-S). The hardcore reader will give up the "paper experience" when they realize they no longer have to trudge down to the store, stand in line, and all the other stuff to get books. And if Amazon keeps beating up the publishers on price for all books, not just the popular ones, we should see a resurgence of reading.

    And I don't buy the story that people don't read. They may not read novels, but given that the guest on The Daily Show is an author, and the first step in running for president of the US is to publish a book of some sort, there are readers out there.

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  14. Leafing Through a Book by rla3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The one thing that I will surely miss is being able to leaf through a book before i decide to put down my hard earned cash for it.

    This is one thing that keeps me coming back to B&N when purchasing a book. Yes, there are time when I leaf through a book in the store, only then to note the title and then buy it cheaper through Amazon. But there are also times that I will use Amazon's reviews to narrow down my choices, then head out to B&N to leaf through the books before making my final decision, then purchasing it there on the spot.

    I end up doing the latter for more expensive books. I'd rather spend the extra money knowing that I'm going to like the book, then send my money to amazon to purchase a book that I may find horrendous.

  15. Something that doesn't help by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I go to B&N it's full of people lounging in chairs/on the floor, reading books.

    While I understand that initially B&N's browser-friendly policy made it very popular, there's a difference between reading 3-4 pages of a book to see if it is a worthwhile purchase, and reading it from cover to cover - which is what a lot of people are very obviously doing. This means that 1) the person won't purchase the book - why should they? and 2) I would be purchasing a "used" book. While being read doesn't fade the letters, there's a difference between new and used in terms of wrinkled pages, smudges, etc. If I'm paying for new, I want new.

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  16. NEWSFLASH! Its the 21st Century. by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So I hit the nearest town looking for a specific book ("Dragonflies of Surrey" - yes the town was in Surrey) last weekend, heck I would have settled for ANYTHING decent on the subject matter I was looking for. 3 book stores (2 large chains, 1 small specialist store) and not a single book on dragonflies let alone the specific title I was looking for. And I hadnt really expected there to be to be honest.

    Now if publishers had actually grasped new technology by the horns and allowed bookstores to print (and bind) **on demand** titles, browse through their back-catalogue (which is several hundreds of times larger than any store could be reasonable anticipated to stock) etc. etc. then maybe we would be seeing a thriving book industry as book stores competed on the quality of their product (paper, binding, ink quality....smell) and facilities (user friendly search, cafe to sit down and browse in) rather than the almost absolute reliance that we now have on the internet to find any rare or unusual titles.

    The book store industry isnt dying, the publishers are slowly killing it.

  17. Funny enough... by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's very possible that old LIFE book came from a mom-n-pop store that also sells online. I know a woman who has a small bookstore in upstate New York and she keeps the actual storefront open to give her a place to go (she's pushing 80), as a place for book readings, but also as warehouse; she sells most of her stuff via Amazon, with apparently one or two really rare things going on ebay.

    If anything, it was a brilliant move on Amazon's part to adopt this model; now lots of mom-n-pops can stay open and be more of a social place (if only for the cats) and still have give people the opportunity to browse.

  18. Re:I still enjoy reading a good physcal book(store by yankpop · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think that there will be book stores around even in the future, but they need to be more specialized.

    They need to be more specialized, sure, but that makes their market much smaller. It's easy to stock specialized books when you've got the security of offering Harry Potter and Twilight et al. to keep the money coming in between the rare consumer of niche books. But once Amazon and Walmart start selling the popular stuff at your wholesale cost, it changes things. It's much harder to sell specialized books when you can't subsidize the lower turnover with mass-market books. So yeah, the book stores that remain in the future will be more specialized. But you won't find many of them outside of major cities where there are enough consumers of their chosen specialty to make it financially viable.

    This is already the case with electronics. You can get low-end camera gear anywhere, even at drug stores now, but if you want anything beyond the basics you have to go online or to a city big enough to support one real camera store. Used to be a mom & pop camera store in every town more than 50,000, but now that they can't compete with Walmart for point and shoots, there's not enough high end business to keep them open.

  19. Re:I still enjoy reading a good physcal book(store by powerlord · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a difference between a book and an e-reader. If the book breaks it's still mostly readable, and it requires no power to be read.

    True. I love when I'm flying and the Flight Attendant announces to stow all electronic devices, and turn anything "with an off switch" off.

    I watch all the people with e-book readers and laptops groan while I pull out my paperback. Uninterrupted reading pleasure during the trip.

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  20. Nonsense by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speaking as someone who owns a literary agency (a big one with lots of famous authors), I'm going to have to call you on that one.

    It's not the authors. It's never been the authors. It's the publishers, and it has always been the publishers.

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