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Tech Specs Leaked For French Spyware

An anonymous reader writes "With the 'three strikes' law now in effect in France, the organization tasked with implementing it, Hadopi, has been working on technology specs for making the process work — and those specs have now leaked. It appears to involve client-side monitoring and controlling software, that would try to watch what you were doing online, and even warn you before you used any P2P protocol (must make Skype phone calls fun). It's hard to believe people will accept this kind of thing being installed on their computers, so I can't wait to see how Hadopi moves forward with it. It also appears to violate EU rules on privacy."

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  1. Not to worry by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government pinky-promised that they won't use this for anything other than enforcing this law. And you have their *word* on that.

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    1. Re:Not to worry by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just wait until the blackhats get ahold of this and change the phone home site from the standard to the blackhat's servers. Voila, instant botnet that is illegal for a French citizen to remove. I'm sure the guys on Elbonia are just drooling over that they can do once they can poison an ISP's DNS to get command/control access to the machines.

    2. Re:Not to worry by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The internet seems to be going down the shitter now that all the politicians kids are using it and those in power have started thinking internet==facebook.

      So what's the next communication medium that the government has so little understanding of that they don't even think about regulating it?

      Darknets are halfway there but they'll probably be outlawed in a few years.

    3. Re:Not to worry by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Liberté, égalité, fraternité, and pervasivé monitoré.

    4. Re:Not to worry by jittles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No of course not! They'll pay a 3rd party to collect all the juicy data and then they'll buy it back from them! Therefore THEY didn't use the data for anything other than enforcing the law.

    5. Re:Not to worry by Buddy027 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why change it? Just add their own URL. It can still phone home so it looks like it still works. Even sending in false data.

    6. Re:Not to worry by mlts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perfect way to frame someone too... just fake "OMG, this guy is P2P-ing copyrighted stuff" a few times, and now the roomie or whomever owns that computer is banned from any access to the Internet.

      I'm sure someone will make an easy to use app or website to visit on a mark's computer just to trip this software.

  2. Woot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, nice! Can I have the Linux version?

    1. Re:Woot by kipd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They came first for the Windows-users, and I didn't speak up because I didn't use Windows...

    2. Re:Woot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, nice! Can I have the Linux version?

      No, Linux is now illegal because it can't be monitored by this software.

    3. Re:Woot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is for France... but of course they will insist on using Wine.

    4. Re:Woot by cpghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which one do you prefer? qt-hadopi, gtk-hadopi, ... or just that plain old fashioned nvidia/ati binary blob driver for your graphics adapter?

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  3. Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are they going to do? Fucking outlaw Mac OS X, Linux and all the other non-Microsoft operating systems?

    Funny fact: in french it's called système d'exploitation. Maybe that's why they want such software. To exploit you and your computer.

    1. Re:Good luck with that by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe this is just a clever, french way to kill off Windows usage in France.

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    2. Re:Good luck with that by h00manist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What are they going to do? Fucking outlaw Mac OS X, Linux and all the other non-Microsoft operating systems?

      They wouldn't outlaw them, just buraucratize it and wash their hands. "You can run Linux, MacOS, any OS you want, you just have to run this software on it. It is win32 software. You are free to choose your own OS but must resolve technical problems arising from these choices. " Polite, diplomatic, bureaucratic way of saying "fuck you".

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  4. I have no problem with French Spyware by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Funny

    All of have to do just install anti-spyware software - no need to even run it - and the French spyware immediately uninstalls itself without me having to do anything.

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  5. They'll be prying my pristine Linux install... by stevegee58 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...from my cold, dead fingers.

    1. Re:They'll be prying my pristine Linux install... by daveime · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to worry, once you install anything else, it won't be a pristine Linux install anyway.

      pristine/pristn/Adjective
      1. In its original condition; unspoiled.
      2. Clean and fresh as if new; spotless.

  6. So how Naive are the French? by Dyinobal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking over the spec I can't honestly think that the French are dumb enough to think something like this could work, the scope is to broad, and software solutions are silly easy to bypass.

    1. Re:So how Naive are the French? by broknstrngz · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're pretty naive. For instance, they call ANY USB dongle, be it memory stick, Bluetooth dongle, HASP key, HSDPA/3G modem, a "key" (clé). They're also pretty much in the same shelf in their retail stores (FNAC/Darty). I've been living in France since January so I've had enough time to observe them. Their lack of interest for all things IT is troubling. Sure, they do have an elite, but the overall apetite for technology is surprisingly low. Must be the wine, I guess :)

  7. client-side enforcement is stupid by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole suggestion of enforcing this client-side is so idiotic that I'm inclined to believe that there will be ISP-side enforcement and that in fact the client is only there to warn the user.

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  8. Of course they will, they're *French* by pushf+popf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    France is the only country on the planet that has actual SCUBA Police to wander around underwater and make sure you have your "Diving License".

    http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/300289-scuba-police.html

    1. Re:Of course they will, they're *French* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      France was also the country where scuba diving took off first in the general public (it used to be strictly military). The patent for the demand regulator was from Cousteau (ze one ;) & Gagnan, the World Underwater Federation (http://www.cmas.org/) has a French acronym because it was founded by the same gang that made scuba diving popular in France.

      And at the time, the equipment was nowhere near as good as today. And the experience was lacking, or limited to very fit young military guys... so not immediately applicable to some less fit people. Diving was also not a commercial activity (where the business have a vested interest in making sure there's no problem), it was and still is in France largely handled by non-profit clubs. Who attracted adventurers at the time, less concerned about risk. So all this led to accident, who got the attention of authorities, who legislated to limit the worst abuse and make sure people had a proper training. All that scuba club do today in other countries.

      As for what this scuba police is... I guess a cop fond of scuba diving found a trick to be paid to do what he liked ;)

  9. Like having your mom in the room by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Except my mom is more open and understanding about the porn.

  10. Modem/routeurs deathtrap in France by McTickles · · Score: 4, Informative

    In France your ISP (well 99% of them) provide you with a preconfigured modem/routeur that they call a "box". This box handles IPTV and VoIP too. IPTV and VoIP depends on specs often known only to the ISP and therefore it is hard to find a compatible modem/routeur of your own, forcing you to use the ISP's if you want to use VoIP and IPTV (which is actually forced upon you as part of most ISP's basic package, it is difficult to get a truly IP-only connection here for a reasonable price, IP+VoIP+IPTV is actually cheaper than just IP) The long term plan is for all ISPs to agree on some basic standards for their "box" and the filtering software/spyware would be implemented on the "box" thus making it "unavoidable". Most people won't notice (don't get me started on how completely technically illiterate people are even allowed to connect to the network) the firmware update (they already don't as it is and most rely on basic out of the box settings) and blacklist updates and so on. Thank you ISPs who catter to technical morons and thanks to the french government for basically planning to introduce a mandatory in-your-home wiretap for everyone, guilty or not.

  11. Removing the software is easy by riskeetee · · Score: 4, Funny

    It surrenders itself immediately!

  12. We Joke, but... by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know we around /. like to joke about things like encryption and the year of the linux desktop, but the more intrusive governments get, the more I see the internet as a whole routing around this damage and increasing both the use of *nix based systems and encryption. Imagine facebook levels of popularity but with encryption, privacy, and control as primary factors of computing for the masses. Because, in the end, its either that or we might as well just start walking around naked because we have "nothing to hide".

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    1. Re:We Joke, but... by LambdaWolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Imagine facebook levels of popularity but with encryption, privacy, and control as primary factors of computing for the masses.

      As I understand it, this is essentially what the Diaspora project is trying to do. Hopefully they'll succeed. (And maybe smooth out some of those concerns that the name is inappropriate.)

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  13. Re:Sarkozy is the pawn of the media elite in Franc by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > So much for liberté... we still have egalité and fraternité (until further notice)

    Unless you are Roma.

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  14. Hey, the specs actually bring up free software. :P by Balinares · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Page 15, under "key objectives": "integration in any environment, including free software".

    I'm curious to see how they intend to make that work out. :P

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  15. Re:Well, I live here by qbast · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I sure as hell won't allow them to install any of that stuff here.

    What are they going to do if I refuse? Throw me in jail? Fine me? "

    No, just disable your internet connection until you do. What's the problem?

  16. Re:Encryption is not the answer by Raenex · · Score: 2, Informative

    If encryption approached "Facebook levels of popularity", governments who want to monitor your traffic will simply make encryption illegal.

    At one point, encryption used to be illegal in France: http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/01/15/france_to_end_severe_encryption/

  17. Actually no by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 3, Informative

    This as yet non-existent, and obviously impossible piece of software will merely be the only way to disculpate oneself from accusations illegal warezing. Since it obviously reverses the burden of proof, it's unlikely to stand up to legal scrutiny whem it reaches a high court.

    Note that, not only are the technical specs moronic, but they also are self defeating. For instance they want a FLOSS compatible version. Well, guess what, my Linux kernel license allows me to change it so that it will hide whatever I want from a given process. This is typically done by rootkits that hide their processes/files/modules from the rest of the system, but it should be quite easy to implement for the good guys.

    In any case, as had been pointed out during the debates in parliament, you just need to do your downloading on a separate box, and not tell anyone about it. Sarkonazy's lapdog's response? "people onlh have one computer" - I shit. You. Not.

    I keep a very expensive bottle of Champagne at all times in my fridge, just in case something humiliating and/or painful happens to the diminutive fascist son of a bitch. And if the fucker dies before the next election, I swear I'm ordering 12 case of Dom Pe to give away in the street.

  18. Actually reichwingers are pissed off by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the first elections after the damn law was passed (regionales), they got disastrous results for the below 30 demo. Sarkonazy met with UMP MPs to discuss the bad results, and according to insiders they were freaked out and complained that his pet project had cost them the young vote for good. In an unpublished poll they found out that they had lost something close to half the young voters. Now those are not the most reliable voters, but Naboléon's core demographics of Alzheimer patients, racist deranged grannies and Vichy nostalgists has one redeeming quality: they're more likely to be rotting in hell than to be getting a hard on at the fucker's newest racist gimmick while dropping their bulletin in the ballot box.

    For reference, in the 2007 election, the son of a bitch got 53% of the votes; but his opponent got 53% of the below 65 demo, he just got 65% of the geriatrics! Thankfully, many of those scumbags will have expired next time.

  19. Re:The power and influence of the copyright indust by jimicus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You assume it's the copyright industry. For years, any form of encryption was illegal in France and that had much more to do with government paranoia than anything else.

    Heck, at one point my employer had a VPN tunnel to a subsidiary in France and I established beyond any doubt that the encrypted (no I am not losing my mind, I asked a respected colleague) traffic was being eavesdropped as a very select subset of this traffic was not making it across the tunnel - yet made it quite happily across another tunnel based on the same software.

    That was the big driver that proved to me that not only was CIPE not hugely secure (which I already knew - it had been demonstrated a couple of months previously and the recommendation was to abandon in favour of IPSec), but it was being actively eavesdropped and censored (which I did not know).

  20. Re:Hey, the specs actually bring up free software. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

    > I'm curious to see how they intend to make that work out.

    By making it not incompatible with Firefox.

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