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Pentagon Demands Return of Leaked Afghanistan Documents

Multiple news agencies are reporting that the Pentagon has demanded the return of WikiLeaks' collection of secret documents relating to the war in Afghanistan. Defense Department spokesman Geoff Morrell said, "The only acceptable course is for WikiLeaks to take steps immediately to return all versions of all of these documents to the US government and permanently delete them from its website, computers and records." According to the BBC, Morrell also "acknowledged the already-leaked documents' viral spread across the internet made it unlikely they could ever be quashed," but hopes to prevent the dissemination of a further 15,000 documents WikiLeaks is reportedly in the process of redacting. "We're looking to have a conversation about how to get these perilous documents off the website as soon as possible, return them to their rightful owners and expunge them from their records." WikiLeaks, predictably, shows no sign of cooperating.

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  1. They will make them comply by odies · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It doesn't matter if Wikileaks complies, Pentagon has made it very clear they will make them comply:

    Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said that not embarrassing the US military was "doing the right thing" and he hoped Wikileaks would "honour our demands".

    However, asked what the Pentagon would do next, Morrell told the AP that it was up to the FBI and Justice Department to decide how to proceed.

    "If doing the right thing is not good enough for them [Wikileaks], then we will figure out what other alternatives we have to compel them to do the right thing," he added.

    Of course the right thing to the US government is always whatever the US military says is the right thing, and as the Wikileaks documents that have recently been released show in brutal detail, the US military has an unusual interpretation of what is 'right'.

    1. Re:They will make them comply by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Informative

      Obama is? He took three months to consider his general's report, then gave the man LESS than the MINIMUM number of troops the general asked for-- as if to claim that he somehow knew better.

      My point is this: don't pin it on W. All of our leaders are rife with incompetence.

      That may as be (I certainly think Clinton would have made a vastly better president than Obama--his inexperience is showing rather painfully in many venues), but that is irrelevant to this wikileaks leak.

      All of the documentation covers a time prior to Obama taking office, so the grandparent is correct: this reflects entirely on Dubya and his administration, not Obama, whatever Obama's failings may be.

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    2. Re:They will make them comply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think I'm gonna go ahead and pin it on the guy that started it, if it's okay with you. Or even if it's not.

      Osama Bin Laden?

    3. Re:They will make them comply by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the US Military that drives the decisions of the US Government. It's the military contractors that drive the decisions of the US Government.

      Military-industrial-congress complex: The same people go through a revolving door and alternate between military, government and private enterprise. Perfect example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld

      You see, term limits only mean that the people in power have a rotation. They go from being in control of the government to running newspapers and contractors when the other team is in government and then they come back to power with a new frontman.

      The people behind Nixon were the same people behind Reagan, and Bush1, and Bush2. You can look at group pictures and litterally see these same people standing behind the frontman.

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    4. Re:They will make them comply by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>Choosing the lesser of two evils sometimes means you're left with a really evil choice.

      The third choice is for the CIA to stop trying to project power beyond the US border. They should not be interfering with foreign affairs, anymore than we would want the EU to assassinate a Governor (Schwarzenegger for example) and install somebody the EU likes better.

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  2. The return of the documents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Couldn't they just download it?

    1. Re:The return of the documents... by bug1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think people are mis-reading their demand, what i think happened is that the pentagon lost their copy and they want someone to send them the backup.

      "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" - Linus Torvalds

  3. Too late by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is already out in the open. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Or "Things that have been seen can not be unseen."

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  4. Red Flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Government is the only business which holds the special right to employ coercion (meaning physical force or threat thereof) against you in order to achieve its goals. Secrets have absolutely no place in such a relationship.

    Am I saying I wouldn't put an ounce of trust in such an entity no matter how loud they scream "we need secrets"? You're damn right I am.

  5. Pentagons reaction by TyFoN · · Score: 5, Funny

    OMG DELETE THE INTERNET!

  6. I see a little problem here by tibit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here we go again with people thinking that the paper paradigm applies to the digital world.

    How on Earth do you return digital documents? Do you scrape the oxide layer off the hard drives, put it in a little vial, mark it with volume mount point(s) and put it into an envelope addressed to Pentagon? Oh, yes, I know, you first print out the directory listing (like we used to do with the floppies), tape it to the vial, then scrape, fill the vial and ship.

    As for the further documents -- they better watch out, because WikiLeaks may just give up and publish all of the unredacted stuff just to preserve it.

    As for WikiLeaks somehow "embarrassing" the U.S. military: waitaminuzel here. Did WikiLeaks compel the military to do all the embarrassing stuff? No? Then well, maybe it was better the taxpayers knew what their money is spent on, huh?

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    1. Re:I see a little problem here by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the pentagon manages to get the originals back, they might just save Cheney, Powell, Rice, Bush, Wolfowitz, etc. from a public hanging.

      That'd be a shame.

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    2. Re:I see a little problem here by PincushionMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      THAT WAS ME! Over 10 years ago, on IRC. I can't tell you how much I love that that quote still pops up every now and then on the interwebz.

      Dude, I wouldn't be bragging about trying to get your song back!

  7. Assange responds to Wikileaks attacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ".. we've got to be careful, Amy. Mullen actually was quite crafty in his words. He said "might already have" blood on my hands .. it's really quite fantastic that Gates and Mullen, Gates being the former head of the CIA during Iran-Contra and the overseer of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Mullen being the military commander for Iraq and Afghanistan -- I'm not sure what his further background is -- who have ordered assassinations every day, are trying to bring people on board to look at a speculative understanding of whether we might have blood on our hand"

    link

  8. They're damaging to our government by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    FTFA:

    The documents leaked so far illustrate the frustration of U.S. forces in fighting the protracted Afghan conflict and revived debate over the war's uncertain progress.

    These documents are showing that the US' operation aren't doing too well. WikiLeaks is holding back stuff that may endanger people's lives.

    This is all about the Pentagon and the Government trying hide their incompetence and stupidity. It's also to trying to keep information out of our hands to keep the support for the wars from it's continual slide down.

    We're in another Viet Nam type era.

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  9. Re:It's time by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think that's the way it is going to have been set up. Far more likely it's going to be an automatic disclosure of the decryption process from a source independent of Wikileaks should Julian Assange or any other key members fail to check in some how at regular intervals. That way if they should be detained or "meet with an unfortunate accident" the contents of the assurance file go public.

    Quite frankly, I think the US military and government are pointing their fingers in the wrong direction here. The people that are really at fault here are those who have still not managed to put adequate controls on the access and export of sensitive data; one of the task given to the DHS, IIRC. Quite simply put, I doubt that there is any reason why a single person should have been able to access all those documents in the first place, let alone be in a position to take copies and pass them on too WikiLeaks and the media. It's not like Gary McKinnon hasn't given them enough egg on their faces about poor security procedures already, is it...?

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  10. WikiLeaks has been around for years. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously? The guys been in the paper constantly the last few months and has given countless interviews. My mother knows his name. Oh, and he looks like Bill Maher but slightly gayer and more strung out.

    Yes, Seriously. I guess everyone missed my point.

    WikiLeaks has been around for years and it has only been in the last couple of months that he's come out of the woodwork to defend what they have done.

    Before this episode, one would would have to look kind of hard to get his name and his photo wasn't the easiest thing to find - I tried a couple of years ago when WikiLeaks first started making waves.

    That isn't a media whore.

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    1. Re:WikiLeaks has been around for years. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the government was after me and I felt I might risk being picked up and "disappeared", I might suddenly decide to become a "fame whore", too. Get my name and face out there in every fucking place imaginable.

  11. I blame Bush for good reason. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In 2002 when I still had TV, right before the ramp up, ex-Soviet commanders were commenting that they've been there, done that, and got the T-Shirt.

    They knew what we were in for.

    When you see photos of Afghanistan and see all that rubble, guess who did that? The Russians bombed them back into the Stone Age and they still couldn't get them under control - and if you consider that the Soviets didn't give a rat's ass about PR, I'm sure they didn't pull any punches like we do (read: the didn't give a shit about civilian casualties)

    Bush KNEW this would be folly if they didn't have an adequate plan but Nooooooo, he went in there shoot'in up the place with no plan.

    So yes, I'll blame Bush - he deserves it.

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    July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001

  12. WikiLeaks... shows no sign of cooperating. by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I should hope not. Too bad the authorities have convinced the public to condemn the messenger instead of the message... Very sad state of affairs we have here.

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  13. Re:Murder by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Informative

    The names you cite in number 4 are an obvious straw man. Wikileaks is not leaking those names, it is redacting them as we speak BEFORE listing those names. so what's in those 15,000 documents? And who is paying you to mislead us?

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