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Genetically Modified Canola Spreads To Wild Plants

eldavojohn writes "A research team conducting a survey has found that about 86% of wild canola plants in North Dakota have genetically modified genes in them, and 'two samples contained multiple genes from different species of genetically modified plants.' Canola usually has little competition when cultivated but does not fare well in the wild. The Roundup Ready and Liberty Link strains of genetically modified canola appear to be crossing over to wild plants and helping it survive. The University of Arkansas team claims that the ease in which genetically modified canola has 'escaped' into the wild should be noted by seed makers like Monsanto because this is proof that it will happen." Reader n4djs notes that Monsanto has been known to sue farmers for patent infringement when their crops unintentionally contain genetically modified plants.

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  1. capitalism again. by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    im repeating this over and over whenever similar nonsense comes up. there is no evading capitalism come to this point. from property rights, to ownership of ideas, to ownership of genes, and then to ownership of entire species. if you 'let businesses be', this happens.

    this, has to be the point where the sane realizes that this does not work.

    1. Re:capitalism again. by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Note that there is a difference between capitalism, free market enterprise, and a completely broken patent process that allows plants to be patented. DNA is neither unique or new. Nor is cross-breeding (it's been going on for as long as we've had agriculture).

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    2. Re:capitalism again. by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if you 'let businesses be', this happens.

      If you let business be you don't have a patent system. A patent system is a state-granted monopoly, the exact opposite of what the free market stands for.

    3. Re:capitalism again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a difference; Unfortunately there's substantial empirical support for the theory that free markets "breed" companies of increasing size which at some point gain enough power to change the rules in their favor, leading to the kind of monopoly support systems we have today (copyright, patents, bureaucratic requirements). Limiting the market power of a single company is seen as communist, anti-market behavior, yet it is the only way a healthy market can survive without creating the negative consequences and ultimately degenerating into a corporate dictatorship.

    4. Re:capitalism again. by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      not to mention having lawmakers in the pockets of certain mega-corporations and billionaire elites isn't capitalism either, that's plutocracy and oligarchy.

    5. Re:capitalism again. by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you let business be you don't have a patent system. A patent system is a state-granted monopoly, the exact opposite of what the free market stands for.

      I think this is absolutely correct. It's astounding how much of government is considered "business" and any fault blamed on capitalism (some more examples are bribery and corruption, state granted monopolies, and businesses, such as oil production, which are dominated by state enterprises). The problem here is that if we attempt to fix the perceived problem using the assumption that "capitalism" is at fault, we are likely to make the problem worse.

    6. Re:capitalism again. by medcalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, the government has a role in creating a legal environment in which a free market can flourish. For example, enforcing contracts is a key feature of a reasonable government. Yet, it is also true that patents are a government-granted monopoly. (We made the decision in the Constitution to deviate here from free-market principles for a practical purpose.) I would even argue that a sane patent system is a reasonable place for government action, to the extent that it can actually promote more inventions and creative works that can improve the lives and minds of the populace at large. The problem is not that there is a patent system, per se, but that the system we have is patently insane.

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    7. Re:capitalism again. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Capitalism, by contrast, is based on the regulation of individual exchanges to the benefit of the corporations and the governments.

      Capitalism is based on the private ownership of capital, nothing more or less. It has nothing to do with the presence or absence of regulation.

      Because in the end, property rights are nothing more and nothing less than the consequences of saying, "I own myself, and no one else does."

      If all that one "owns" is one's self and one's labor, then no goods can be produced. The creation of goods requires raw materials. Materials are derived from land. Land is only turned into property by an act of government. Ergo, all claims of objects as property rest on government action.

      One's relationship with oneself should never be described as "ownership". It cheapens and distorts the nature of human beings, and suggests that you could be separated from yourself, the way that any of us can be separated from property. If you "own" yourself, this introduces the idea that someone else could "own" you. No. Human beings are not ownable.

      Property is an artificial creation meant to help ensure certain fundamental rights of privacy and self-determination. It is not in itself a basic right; when the misapplication of the concept of property becomes destructive of basic human rights, it is property that must yield.

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    8. Re:capitalism again. by oiron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this was marked "troll"?

      You're absolutely right, and let me add to your point. A "free" market is one where every supplier (and consumer) can compete equally. Which means that there has to be some mechanism for stopping one player from becoming more equal than the others, which in turn means a large legal structure to protect the market from being overrun by strong-arm tactics and uncompetitive acts by those players who become (much) larger than the rest.

      If regulation didn't exist, the market would devolve into a few monopolists running things, which would in no way be "free". Get over it: free market requires regulation

    9. Re:capitalism again. by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      socialism is not preferable ? and why is that ? because the COMMUNIST totalitarian statets, namely ussr and china and vietnam, have created totalitarian states ?

      after being totalitarian, repressive states, cultures for their ENTIRE history since antiquity ?

      and now, despite now 'free market' and democracy arrived, STILL being totally totalitarian, repressive ?

      excuse me, but you dont know enough about history. systems do not make countries and societies. their CULTURE does. anything that goes to some regions becomes repressive, anything that goes to others, is milded down to freedom. just like how serfdom came to scandinavia, and scandinavians still remained free.

      you should search 'social democracy' in google, and read.

  2. My problem with GM crops by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My problem has always been this. If a pharma company releases a drug that is later proven to be a bad idea then you can do a recall and destroy all known stocks. With GM crops you can't do this as once it is in the wild it is in the wild. The TFA has proved my basic point.

    I also have the feeling that less time has been spent trialing GM crops compared with drugs.

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  3. Re:Weeds? by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what's the risk of gene transfer giving us "Roundup Ready" kudzu, poison ivy, etc. in the near future?

    The most honest answer to that question is "we don't know".

  4. Re:Weeds? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For starters: if weedkiller-resistance gives these species only a slight advantage over their natural cousins, it could be just a matter of time until those natural cousins are wiped out - entirely, forever. Regardless of effects I would equate that to ongoing, irreversible environmental pollution on a massive scale (and ideally the business forces behind it should cough up massive damages a la BP oil spill - too bad the mighty $$$ will probably win out). While you may not think much of those natural occurring species, for example they may have a much more varied genetic makeup than the weedkiller-resistant species that are replacing them. Once replaced, that genetic variety could be gone, and that is never a good thing. What's worse: we may never know what was lost, in the same way we won't know what's lost when you clear a large area of rain forest.

    Secondly, what's product on one field, is weed on another. Harder-to-kill weed, which means you'd have to spray more / nastier chemicals, or have reduced yields on such a field. Thus the easier-to-grow canola may equate to harder-to-grow agricultural products elsewhere. That's cold, hard, cash losses (which farmers won't be able to claim back from those responsible).

    Genes that spread from GM-crops to wild canola might spread to other species as well? If so, effects are hard to predict but (given time) likely world-wide. If not: are you sure about that? Can we afford the risk? Should we?

  5. Monsanto scares me by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really. I am no tin foil haberdasher, but Monsanto steamrolls through farm country like a nasty hay-seed (pun intended) Napoleon. And if you think they don't have numerous rural Congress folks in their pockets, please think again. Your food chain is far scarier than most know. I can't say I have some terrible fear of some horrid mutated crop gone wrong, but I can say I fear the corruption of democracy and our food supply that Monsanto perpetuates.

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  6. Re:Well two things by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2) We've always been modifying plants for a long time.

    By selective breeding. Not by directly grafting in genes from other species.

    Whether selective breeding is automatically safer "because it is natural" may be dubious but it is inherently slow and incremental.

    Bananas and pigs took many, many years to breed to their current state - now we can splice banana genes into pigs overnight just because we think it should be easier to get the rind off bacon..

    No, it is not 100% risk free.

    ...but unless you're a Monsanto shareholder you get 100% of that risk and 0% of any benefit.

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  7. Re:unintentionally? by $pace6host · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reader n4djs notes that Monsanto has been known to sue farmers for patent infringement when their crops unintentionally contain genetically modified plants.

    This might have happened, but the Percy Schmeiser case is not such a case. The Supreme Court of Canada found that Schmeiser deliberately harvested and planted his field with seed which he knew had Monsanto's genetic modifications.

    It rather scares me that one of the leading anti-GMO spokesmen is someone who deliberately planted his field with genetically modified seed and then lied about it when he got caught.

    I wasn't familiar with the case, and maybe others not involved in the GMO/anti-GMO fight aren't either. There's a little info on the Percy Schmeiser wikipedia page, which at least serves as a starting point of more info.

    When you say "deliberately harvested and planted his field with seed which he knew had Monsanto's genetic modifications," it sounds like he stole Monsanto seed and planted it in his field. From reading the wiki page, it sounds more like he collected seeds from his own fields that had been pollinated with Monsanto GM naturally. In the former case, I'd say Monsanto should win - stealing their seeds is wrong. But if his fields had been naturally pollinated, why should he be responsible for Monsanto's inability to contain their pollen? In fact, if he was in the business of selling non-GMO, the contamination of his fields could cost him value, customers, or even entire markets. If Monsanto can modify the GM in their plants, couldn't they have made the pollen incompatible with regular crops? And if not, perhaps they shouldn't have planted it if they couldn't control it?

    I'm not one of the "all GMO is evil!!" crowd. I think there is great potential for good in GMO, even though there are risks. I just think it's ridiculous to make a self-propagating piece of "property", and then claim that when it self-propagates, someone else is responsible for that, but you aren't.

  8. Re:Mansanto Took the Bees to Court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they wipe out natural bees, they could launch genetically modified bees that you'd have to buy from Monsanto every year.

    Your idea seems on the one hand so utterly ridiculous that I want to laugh at the thought of going into a store and buying this season's latest bee model (packaged in a colorful box - "Monsanto Bees, now with 10% more pollination power!"), but on the other hand far too plausible when considering the lengths some corporations are willing to go to in order to turn a profit.

    I can't even bring myself to make a "Sssh, don't give them any ideas!" joke, because they would believe, to the fullest extent, that this is an excellent idea.

    Geez, what kind of world am I living in?

  9. Re:Weeds? by bcmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All good points, and I'm not really disputing any. But there is the fact that much of the world is starving, and GM crops could offer them some hope.

    This is important: there is no global shortage of food. People are hungry due to political and especially economic reasons.

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